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T10
29-08-2007, 11:41
A narrow frontage can make a greater turn while wheeling because you measure the distance moved by the outer model of the front rank.

Assuming a width of x inches and a desired wheel of y degrees, your unit will need to pay (x * pi * y / 180) inches of movement for the wheel.

So a 4" wide unit wheeling 30 degrees uses up about 2" of movement, but a 5" wide unit uses about 2.5".

-T10

sqigglett
29-08-2007, 11:41
hi all
can someone pleese explain the wheeling move pleese as, the way i understand it is that, technicly, a 1" wheel can wheel tound more than a larger one, as you could just move the model at a sharper angle.

thx in advance :)

knightime98
31-08-2007, 07:17
Wow, just figured something out here. Thanks for the formula T10...

The bases are in metric 20mm x 20mm and the wheel and measurements are in inches... Go figure...

How did they come up with that one.

T10
31-08-2007, 08:19
Many 20mm base models form up 5 wide - that's about 4". And 25mm bases are approximately 1" per model, so most of the time you won't have much problem. :)

It's not air-craft engineering, this.

-T10

EvC
31-08-2007, 10:37
I did have the pleasure of playing a Spanish guy recently, they use cm for everything, I did my best to play it his way though. Rolling 5D6 for fleeing units amused me though!

Atrahasis
31-08-2007, 10:50
I thought everything was just doubled when using cm?

I haven't played against a European using the European standards in a long time soI don't know what current convention is.

EvC
31-08-2007, 11:07
I beleive you multiply it by 2.5. I think you round down, for example his High Elves moved 12cm.

Tutore
31-08-2007, 12:03
An inch is 2.6 cm. However I read spanish rules and for example movement 4 (inches) is translated in movement 10 (cm). In Italy the standard is the metric system, but in Warhammer we use inches (or Imperial Units!).

Atrahasis
31-08-2007, 12:21
An inch is 2.54cm :)

I know the "Designer's Notes" in the old rulebook (6th) said to double everything rather than fiddle about with half centimetres, but wasn't sure if that had ever been adopted as a community-wide convention or whether it had survived to 7th.

BattleofLund
31-08-2007, 12:42
I thought everything was just doubled when using cm?

I haven't played against a European using the European standards in a long time soI don't know what current convention is.

In the cold north, GW's inches (and actual inches) are what's used. Never seen anything but Epic Armageddon and Battlefleet Gothic use centimeter measuring.

Tutore
31-08-2007, 12:48
An inch is 2.54cm :)

I know the "Designer's Notes" in the old rulebook (6th) said to double everything rather than fiddle about with half centimetres, but wasn't sure if that had ever been adopted as a community-wide convention or whether it had survived to 7th.

Actually! Then again, 10 cm is much more similar to 4 inches than I expected. However, as we all have inches red-things to measure distances and everything, I find that cm shouldn't be used in warhammer outside Spain :D

Jonke
31-08-2007, 19:36
Note though that the red measuring sticks that comes with the game are ca 1 cm short of being 18 inches...

Peace!

Festus
01-09-2007, 09:20
Note though that the red measuring sticks that comes with the game are ca 1 cm short of being 18 inches...
... because the Inches on the red pokey stick actually are 2.5 cm and not 2.54 cm as should be :rolleyes:

And 18 x 2.54 = 45,72 cm instead of the GW's 18 x 2.5 = 45cm. Add to that the shrinkage with the soft plastic in the moulding process, and you will find that the only things the GW sticks are good for indeed is to poke someone with...

Trust GW to screw thing up!

Festus

T10
01-09-2007, 10:37
And the warp slightly as well, so most aren't quite straight.

Personally, I think it's great GW included the red sticks rather than just assuming the player has access to an integral piece of gaming equipment. No red stick is better than no measuring instrument at all. :)

-T10

Tutore
01-09-2007, 12:10
Here in Italy it is almost impossible to have measuring instruments with inches instead of cm. So, red sticks or GW official things are all we have to measure.

Jonke
02-09-2007, 23:35
...to poke someone with...

Poking??? It becomes really interesting when you start whipping people with those...

Sergeant Uriel Ventris
03-09-2007, 00:14
Poking??? It becomes really interesting when you start whipping people with those...

Ha! I thought I was the only one.

And as long as everyone uses the same scale for measuring (red sticks, cm, inches, what have you), everything should work out hunky-dorey. Or something.