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The Guy
31-08-2007, 21:09
If this thread doesn't belong here then please move it [or remove it :confused:] if apropriate.

Anyway I've been thinking..could GW make an aliens versus predator tabletop game? And if they can should they? I personally think this would be a very good idea [and besides theres lotr for fantasy so why not avp for sci fi?] It could also allow for some truly awesome models to be released which could be used to expand tyranid, IG and any other armies. Any opinions on this? Not that GW would do anything about an idea on an internet forum :( but we live in hope ;)

colmarekblack
31-08-2007, 21:11
Sounds like it should be a skirmish game like Necromunda. And to be honest you can recreate an AvP setting in Necromunda with a little imagination.

The Guy
31-08-2007, 21:14
I don't play necromunda :( my knowledge is only of 40k rules but it sounds interesting :P

colmarekblack
31-08-2007, 21:16
The Necromunda rules are available for free of the SG's website.

swordwind
31-08-2007, 21:17
Been done by Clix already.

ThousandPlateaus
31-08-2007, 21:18
You can download the Necromunda rules for free from the Specialist Games website, and you should, it's one of the finest games GW has ever produced.
Then you can make your own A.vs.P games easily.

Vaktathi
31-08-2007, 21:18
the big problem is, many people see LoTR as taking away from the current core offerings and being overpromoted for what accounts now for relativley little of GW's sales, but a large part of their marketing and game design efforts. I dont think an AvP game would be in GW's best interest right now, especially as I think it has been done before (I know for sure there was a CCG for instance)

MooCow
31-08-2007, 21:18
It would a neat idea, but WizKids kinda owns the AVP franchise of Minis, and Halo, and Heroes, and basically anything else.

RampagingRavener
31-08-2007, 21:19
Been done by Clix already.

And even if it wasn't, GW doesn't do games that arn't set in Warhammer Fantasy, Warhammer 40,000, or Lord of the Rings at all any more.

So no, never going to happen.

Grimtuff
31-08-2007, 21:21
As already said, Wizkids owns the rights to AVP.

Also, FYI. Your sig is too long, it can only be a maximum of 7 lines. Yours has 12

azimaith
31-08-2007, 21:23
Actually wizkids only got a license to do a special edition release for horrorclix. AvP franchise is and probably always will be owned by Fox until someone pries it from their cold dead hands.

Besides, I don't think AvP has enough variety of units to make a big game out of it.
Lets see, out of the distinct body shapes of what we've seen we have:
1: Skull, IE the alien from the first movie (Named Skull because Geiger put a real human skull behind its cowl, cowl being the clear covering of its head).
Human shaped basically.
2: You have ridged headed aliens from the second movie. Human shaped with a distinct ridged skull.
3: You have the Dragon (as named by the deranged inmate) someone lupine in shape, reverse jointed legs, smooth head.
4: You have the reverse jointed dino-legged aliens from the fourth movie. They had less fingers and a paddle on their tail but were otherwise relatively similar.
5: You have the Smooth headed classic alien style from AvP.

And of course the queen.

So you've got like 3 very distinct permutations, 1 minor permutation, and 2 more nearly identical varieties.

Hard to make a game 40k style game with 1 leader, 2 types of troops and 3 different model shapes.

Greatoliver
31-08-2007, 21:30
The problem is that GW would have to buy the rights/whatevers for Predators, Aliens and all that stiff which would cost a lot - GW like lots of profit so this would not be good for them!

jp22102000
31-08-2007, 21:31
I know that there are old Alien and Terminator miniatures produced waaaaaaaaay back that I have seen pop up on e-bay from time to time but I can't remember if they were a game or not.

Greatoliver
31-08-2007, 21:35
...And there is this (http://uk.games-workshop.com/warhammer40000/space-hulk/1/)...

Drogmir
31-08-2007, 21:35
eh....... no....

A Starship troopers game would be interesting, I know there's a mini game for it now but frankly it blows.

Greatoliver
31-08-2007, 21:41
A Starship troopers game would be interesting, I know there's a mini game for it now but frankly it blows.

The problem with all of these Humans vs. Aliens is the fact that that's as far as it goes. You either play Humans or Aliens.

However, it would be interesting, albeit short-lived.

The Guy
31-08-2007, 21:46
Yea true. It probably would't be right for 40k style play but just thought that with a lot of imagination it could be quite something. But oh well.

And off topic I probably will get the necromunda rules need a change from paintin guard [ahhhh green everywhere] can you make your own gang on it?

Greatoliver
31-08-2007, 21:58
It's your thread, do what you want!

Basically, in the SG website there is all you need to make a gang and start playing, as well as much more. I've played it and it's great fun.

Hlokk
31-08-2007, 22:10
Basically, in the SG website there is all you need to make a gang and start playing, as well as much more. I've played it and it's great fun.
ANd its not that big a shift to AVP really. A tooled up gang would make a good colonial marine squad, a predator could probably be done with a Spryer patriarch with some investment and it wouldnt be that hard to knock up rules for hormagaunts for necromunda.

I think Im gonna have a crack at it tomorrow :D

ThousandPlateaus
31-08-2007, 22:14
I think there are some floating about already, Hlokk, maybe in the bestiary.

Necromunda owns.

Randy
31-08-2007, 22:16
AvP would be stupidly expensive to get the rights to enough to make the game.

Too few aliens really and there's essentially 1 predator unit. Unless they do it like 3rd ed commanders for marines.. But tehn you'd get bored with the lack of variety unless they build it on upgrades but then that's just downright unfluffy..

Stella Cadente
31-08-2007, 22:22
Space marine scouts+Tyranids=Aliens (none of this AvP rip-off rubbish, who knows how you could do that)

Greatoliver
31-08-2007, 22:26
Had a look on the SG site and there's essentially a Creature Feature in the articles section. If you and your fellow gamers decide on how an Alien could be represented, Necro would be the best current game system to do it.

swordwind
31-08-2007, 22:40
Well they could always dip into the expanded universe and use things like the flying aliens from Earth Hive and the Praetorians from AVP. And theres a whole bunch of more or less ready made aliens and predator units in AVP: Extinction. In a pinch they could dig real deep into the Aliens universe and make minis of the other human factions mentioned in the USCM Technical Manual. And who knows what other aliens there are out there. The marines arent exactly impressed when Ferro mentions Ripley saw an alien. Several are again mentioned in the manual.

TheStrategist
31-08-2007, 22:57
Actually wizkids only got a license to do a special edition release for horrorclix. AvP franchise is and probably always will be owned by Fox until someone pries it from their cold dead hands.

Besides, I don't think AvP has enough variety of units to make a big game out of it.
Lets see, out of the distinct body shapes of what we've seen we have:
1: Skull, IE the alien from the first movie (Named Skull because Geiger put a real human skull behind its cowl, cowl being the clear covering of its head).
Human shaped basically.
2: You have ridged headed aliens from the second movie. Human shaped with a distinct ridged skull.
3: You have the Dragon (as named by the deranged inmate) someone lupine in shape, reverse jointed legs, smooth head.
4: You have the reverse jointed dino-legged aliens from the fourth movie. They had less fingers and a paddle on their tail but were otherwise relatively similar.
5: You have the Smooth headed classic alien style from AvP.

And of course the queen.

So you've got like 3 very distinct permutations, 1 minor permutation, and 2 more nearly identical varieties.

Hard to make a game 40k style game with 1 leader, 2 types of troops and 3 different model shapes.

Hey all,

While I do agree that this will never happen, for reason that have been already mentioned, but at the same time, if another company does something similar, they would not have to be limited to just these models. Just look at how they expanded Starship Troopers. In the movies (there are only two, right?), I don't remember things like Grizzly suits.

So they could fairl well populate the game with things like Predator jetbikes (for hunting fast stuff) and Aliens on wings.

Btw, totally off topicm has anyone though of using WASP Troopers (from Starship Troopers) as a basis for Rough Riders?

swordwind
31-08-2007, 23:03
. Just look at how they expanded Starship Troopers. In the movies (there are only two, right?), I don't remember things like Grizzly suits.


Theres more than one version of Starship Troopers :eyebrows:

The_Patriot
31-08-2007, 23:08
Theres more than one version of Starship Troopers :eyebrows:

Yeah and the good one was hated by Verhoeven. The only reason why it got its name was because Verhoeven already had a screenplay that was similar to the book Starship Troopers and licensed it. Verhoeven didn't even get past the second chapter of the book, so we ended up with the abomination we have now. :cries:

azimaith
31-08-2007, 23:08
Starship troopers was a book long before they were movies. Besides, starship troopers provides a myriad of species. Aliens don't show that kind of mutability. Each incarnation has been differentiated by an extra finger here or a changed joint there. Theres nothing like something sprouting wings or growing a second head or anything.

jazzdude78
01-09-2007, 00:33
they have shown that kind of mutability in comics/toys
predators not so much (its more an individual preference thing)
also the marines arent much different from a platoon of guard