View Full Version : Stubborn vs Fear/Terror

04-09-2007, 15:50
Ok, this one came up is debate this weekend during the course of week 1 during a lcoal campaign. The wording for both Stubborn and Fear as per outnumbering a foe, both allow for each angle to be taken and some help clairification would be great.

Does a unit that is stubborn get to use the stubborn rule against an enemy that causes fear that outnumbers them? The rule of stubborn say that the stubborn unit takes no modifiers of combat to their test and make their test on their unmodified leadership. Seeing as being outnumbered is a combat modifier, the wording of stubborn would seem to support the idea that the unit still get its full leadership and does not have to rely on the insane heroism rule. No matter the outnumbering foe, and opponent always get his herosim break test role and thus stubborn unit would seem to be better at this situation.

Both sides of this rule disagrement hold good points and its is all up to how you read the wording of all the rules involved of stubborn, fear, break test, and insane heroism. Thanks for helping all.

04-09-2007, 16:00
Outnumbered is a –1 break test modifier. But that’s not what the fear/ autobreak rules refer to. The fear / autobreak rule refers only to it self: if you lose to a fearcausing enemy, and you are outnumbered you do not get a modifier, you break unless you roll snake eyes.

So in my opinion fear beats stubborn.

04-09-2007, 16:12
Stubborn lets you ignore modifiers to your Break Test; but Fear outnumbering isn't a modifier- you automatically fail the Break Test unless you roll Insane Courage.

So yeah, Fear outnumber beats Stubborn.

04-09-2007, 16:40
Outnumbered is a 1 break test modifier.

Technically, it is only a combat resolution modifier, not a break test modifier.

Combat resolution difference is a break test modifier.

Anyway, auto-breaking is not a modifier, it is auto-breaking.