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sheck2
15-09-2007, 01:58
Read...

http://us.games-workshop.com/news/current/DirectChanges.htm

And there is a new 'Collector's Line' mentioned in the new US WD.

Comments? Thoughts?

It sounds as if they have listened to what many of us have been asking for...it sounds great!

Now how do I convince my wife to let me spend more on this hobby? :(

Chaos and Evil
15-09-2007, 02:25
To paraphrase:

"Our bitz service will be much more user-friendly in the future. To do this we are taking hundreds of older models out of production, permenantly."

Lord Malek The Red Knight
15-09-2007, 02:45
well im starting to compile a list of bitz i need to order... :(

~ Tim

carmachu
15-09-2007, 02:55
To paraphrase:

"Our bitz service will be much more user-friendly in the future. To do this we are taking hundreds of older models out of production, permenantly."

Utter contradiction in terms.

Ah well, golden age of GW is long over.....

redbaron998
15-09-2007, 03:29
Utter contradiction in terms.

Ah well, golden age of GW is long over.....

Well thats a bit Harsh, You can only expect a company to keep old models around for so long, more recent models that are now updated will probably be around still, I think they are talking more about some of the really old stuff.

I mean from a company perspective alot more people want bits than those who want the really old collector models

sheck2
15-09-2007, 04:46
To paraphrase:

"Our bitz service will be much more user-friendly in the future. To do this we are taking hundreds of older models out of production, permenantly."

For me - if the choice is (1) more future, current, and last generation bitz or (2) opportunity to purchase older models...I choose #1 - more bitz to convert current generation.

Light of the Emperor
15-09-2007, 05:08
Not cool at all. There's some good old stuff to be found. It'll make it that much harder to get 'em.

spaint2k
15-09-2007, 05:28
For me - if the choice is (1) more future, current, and last generation bitz or (2) opportunity to purchase older models...I choose #1 - more bitz to convert current generation.

I'm not trying to be insulting, but that makes no sense whatsoever. With GW's continuing move to *plastic* (bleugh), there AREN'T any future and current generation bitz. And the bitz for the ever fewer metal kits that are being made are rarely completely available on the online store.

It's just another cost-cutting move, just another move that makes GW a little bit less special than it was before. There was a time when GW proudly said you could find over 90% of its total model range in the archives. Now the vast majority of those moulds have been chucked in the garbage (yes, they were actually thrown into skips), except for those models which were lost in one of their moves, and the range continues to shrink and get less and less interesting.

There won't be any bitz left before long, except for those that come with the regiment boxes.

Steve

spaint2k
15-09-2007, 05:36
And now that I've actually read the message from Rick Priestley, I would like to say the following things:

1. They are giving us the ability to order the exact figure we want when the blister code is the same. We used to always be able to do this anyway, until some smartass thought it would be great to randomize the mail order experience.

2. They are removing bitz until next year, when they'll cherry pick the best bitz for our delectation.

3. They'll be wasting money on making special conversion packs that um... will let you make models just as unique as everyone else's.

4. The "archive" (such as it is) will be further reduced.

5. There'll be more direct only models to give idiots like me an excuse to order directly from GW.

Bah. What does it matter anyway. The archive is now so overpriced you'd need your head examining if you ordered from it instead of waiting for stuff to show up on eBay.

Steve

yabbadabba
15-09-2007, 08:58
Why is everyone "Oh woe is me, how cruel GW are!"?

It's been fairly obvious for a while that GW are looking at ways to cut down on their bits catalogue. It is an expensive part of the business to run. As a consequence you can see the link forming between the army list unit options and the contents on the sprues coming closer together. Soon the unit descritions and the box contents will be indentical (more of an issue in 40K than WFB or LOTR).

No other business runs the bits catalogue like GW does. Even if they halved the bits you can get, it would still be a massive bonus over what any other company provides. As for the old models, it has already been proven on this forum and others that pleasing aesthetic form is a subjective thing - while you might like an old model, who's to say that the powers that be like it as well? If they drop a load of old models it will be down to three things; sales, applicability, and quality.

As a converter, I have 2 recommendations for people -

1) Get the bits (and old models) you want now - as Tim says :)
2) Learn to shape the plastic to make your conversions, rather than search for that elusive single piece that you want.

I don't like or agree with not having a vast and comprehensive back catalogue to choose from. However, I accept that all businesses have to change in order to survive. Aside from asking Rick next time I see him, I shall follow my own 2 recommendations above.

Gaebriel
15-09-2007, 10:13
Yes, the bits cutting began about two years ago. They lost me as a customer in that process...

I always thought GW's 'you can order every part we ever sculpted' was one of it's main strengths. And now they give it away to become another boring streamlined standard range company :rolleyes:

Crube
15-09-2007, 13:07
well im starting to compile a list of bitz i need to order... :(

~ Tim

I'd be quick about it Lord Malek... and I wouldn't get my hopes up either.

I tried to do an order last week, and 50% (exactly 50%) were no longer available as bits....

sheck2
15-09-2007, 14:00
there AREN'T any future and current generation bitz. And the bitz for the ever fewer metal kits that are being made are rarely completely available on the online store.

It's just another cost-cutting move, just another move that makes GW a little bit less special than it was before. There was a time when GW proudly said you could find over 90% of its total model range in the archives. Now the vast majority of those moulds have been chucked in the garbage

Steve

Steve,

No insult taken :)

It's not the kits - it's the production time and obsolete inventory.

I am making an ASSUMPTION that their molds produce at least a few dozen 'kits' at a time. And a required production run produce a few dozen of these. Having a mess of previous generation models sitting there and selling over 'x' number of years is not good (material low cost?; but labor, production time, space cost?, etc.) makes the production run less valuable.

Maybe I am unique...but I expect products to have a life cycle where they are olny available for a window (years in most cases, but not forever).

Im my mind - does having 90% of their stuff availalble make them unique? Does it increase sales? I would think, if that is a competitive advantage, they can just increase their spares inventory allocation. (*).

(*) Spares inventory is used where you are only producing for a set time frame and know there will be a future demand for parts...so your last production run makes enough (within rason) to handle that demand. And when those are used up - that's it.

bertcom1
15-09-2007, 14:36
Is this US-specific? Or worldwide?

Jan Skarthen
15-09-2007, 14:57
searched UK website and no mention, any word of this on any of GWs Euro sites, GW Oz or any other GW Site there may be?

scarletsquig
15-09-2007, 20:44
Now the vast majority of those moulds have been chucked in the garbage (yes, they were actually thrown into skips).

There's something incredibly depressing about that.

There's no reason they can't sell/ give away the moulds to a third party, and let them re-introduce the models other than "we have to protect the precious IP of models that we even haven't sold for 10 years, we'll go bankrupt if we don't!".

I can just imagine all the epic chaos players screaming "nooo!" as GW destroys every single epic chaos mould.

Crube
15-09-2007, 20:54
I can kind of understand it, but given the success of ventures like FW, and the demand (albeit limited) that undoubtedly exists, I wonder why (rhetorical question) they didnt set up a small subsidiary dealing with small runs of older models. It's what they used to do...

It is sad that they'll be limiting the bits available. It was a big reason why I order from GW. As it is, I'd sooner order from a discount online retailer, or eBay... shame

grickherder
15-09-2007, 21:00
Other than bitz or the occasional exclusive, there really is no reason to order from GW directly. If given the choice between picking up the phone and paying full price and overpaying for shipping and picking up the phone and getting 20% off and underpaying for shipping, I'll call thewarstore.com every time. Also, add in the fact that they know have plastic bitz you can't get directly from GW unless you buy whole sprues or boxes.

rivers3162
16-09-2007, 00:34
The 'streamlining' of the bitz service is to be expected as a cost cutting measure. Like others have said, I feel that this really defeats the point of GW mail order apart from odds and ends such as direct only models.

But I think its been on the cards for a long time now. The move towards all plastic is obviously underway but I've also noticed that over the last couple of years, metal minis with separate arms come attached to the base tab meaning that to get the arm you have to buy the whole model. I know this has been done on the SM chaplains and the eldar autarchs to name but two.

Also, the last few times I've gone into GW I've found that some minis from the current ranges have been reduced to direct order only and are no longer stocked in shops. The 2 that I've encountered are Tau Commander Shadowsun and the Eldar Autarch with the hawk wings and power sword.

To quote Creedance Clearwater Revival :
"I see a bad moon arising, I see troubles on the way"

Lord Malek The Red Knight
16-09-2007, 02:04
I'd be quick about it Lord Malek... and I wouldn't get my hopes up either.

I tried to do an order last week, and 50% (exactly 50%) were no longer available as bits....
ouch. :(

i did an order a little while ago, to get some old bits i plan on using in the future, incase they stopped selling them (thankfully i got everything i asked for). the stuff left on my bitz list are the things i felt a bit safer about leaving until i actually needed them, but after this news im going to order them anyway (there are still going to be a few things left on my to-buy list, but if i have to get these in blisters it wont be a huge loss).

ive compiled my list of product codes (when i see a bit on the Online Store i think i could use i save the picture, naming it with the code), descriptions and prices... although some of them were already missing from the site. :(

il let you know how i get on when i place the order... *fingers crossed*

wish me luck! :)

~ Tim

Delicious Soy
16-09-2007, 03:09
searched UK website and no mention, any word of this on any of GWs Euro sites, GW Oz or any other GW Site there may be?Ahahahahahahaha! You make it sound like we actually GET a bitz service. GW Oz gets squat.:mad:

spaint2k
16-09-2007, 06:56
Why is everyone "Oh woe is me, how cruel GW are!"?
<SNIP>
No other business runs the bits catalogue like GW does. Even if they halved the bits you can get, it would still be a massive bonus over what any other company provides.

So because less is still more than others, we should sit back and accept the end of this good and special service without bitching? I'm all "Oh woe is me" etc. because I appreciated the effort GW went to to make a bitz service in the first place.



Maybe I am unique...but I expect products to have a life cycle where they are olny available for a window (years in most cases, but not forever).


You make a good point, although I somehow feel that there should be a longer shelf life for many of their products. Gorkamorka Muties on Steeds anyone? I hadn't really considered the idea of finite shelf life for GW stuff since it's so easy to just create new moulds from your masters (unless you've managed to, ahem, lose them).


...given the success of ventures like FW, and the demand (albeit limited) that undoubtedly exists, I wonder why (rhetorical question) they didnt set up a small subsidiary dealing with small runs of older models. It's what they used to do...

It is sad that they'll be limiting the bits available. It was a big reason why I order from GW. As it is, I'd sooner order from a discount online retailer, or eBay... shame

Couldn't agree more (with both of your paragraphs).


Ahahahahahahaha! You make it sound like we actually GET a bitz service. GW Oz gets squat.:mad:

Wow, you get squats in Oz? ;)
I last ordered squats in 1999, and by the time I wanted to order more in 2000 they'd all been removed from the archive. A crying shame.

Steve

Gaebriel
16-09-2007, 10:15
Why is everyone "Oh woe is me, how cruel GW are!"?
...
Because it's not funny when GW discontinues vital bits that are planned into an army. And discontinues bits from one day onto the other (as happened two years ago). And sorry, I wasn't able to secure a bits-backlog of €2,500 in a couple of days :rolleyes:

They always said "you can order every bit we ever produced" - when I began I got bits from as far back as the 80s, then they were gone without a warning. While I intellectually understand why they did it, I was, and to an extent still am, personnaly pissed...

yabbadabba
16-09-2007, 11:10
Because it's not funny when GW discontinues vital bits that are planned into an army. And discontinues bits from one day onto the other (as happened two years ago). And sorry, I wasn't able to secure a bits-backlog of €2,500 in a couple of days :rolleyes:

They always said "you can order every bit we ever produced" - when I began I got bits from as far back as the 80s, then they were gone without a warning. While I intellectually understand why they did it, I was, and to an extent still am, personnaly pissed...

Unfortunately mate, businesses change. GW has provided a service for years that was a customer service bonus, and in these days of cash flow issues, they have decided that the service is no longer cost effective. And there is a customer service issue here - if the sprue you buy has all the bits you need on it, you don't have to spend more making the model you need.

The real issues here are two-fold.

The first is that GW is terrible at talking to their customers. about the only things they have got right are new releases and posting price increases. At least we know about those two. The issue here is not that they are getting rid of bits, but that as customer we don't know what is going and when. Hence "vital" bits go when we need them most.

The second issue is that we don't know, and are likely to never know, what the true business costs to GW the bits service is. It could be that an independent, for example 2 man operation, might make enough to keep it's head above water. But as other posters have said, how many people would be willing to pay the prices and the postage needed to keep the business afloat. From our perspective this could be a disaster for GW. From their perspective the real value of this might not be worth anything. Then you add in the impact that the new army lists and plastic sprues will have on the bits service. Until GW comes out and says how much of their money is raised by bits, and how much the associated cost is (which they will never do) we can only speculate and moan about the end of an era.

Jan Skarthen
16-09-2007, 11:29
Ahahahahahahaha! You make it sound like we actually GET a bitz service. GW Oz gets squat.:mad:

Apologies wasn't aware there was no bitz service for you guys...that sucks however looks like the rest of us will now just have to do as best with what we can still get. Hopefully they will however do some sort of release detailing what is being got rid off so anyone interested can order before the model/part vanishes forever. A proper online catalogue and enhanced search funtion would do the job however of late I have had problems with the search engine.

From a business perspective I am surprised to hear they are actually destroying master moulds and am equally surprised that specialist games didn't take them to produce on an as required basis. Some of the out of production models fetch good prices on the 2nd hand market and I'm sure the ammount of bitz ordered each day would hardly warrant a full time employee casting and packaging the stuff.

antin3
16-09-2007, 13:51
I would wait to see what is going to be discontinued, back in '97 I ordered several old Wood Elf models from mail order. I liked the models they are unavailable now, who cares. I eventually sold them on ebay because as new models came out these models looked cheesy and besides they were metal. Pesonally if I could choose between plastic and metal I would choose plastic everytime.
I seriously doubt that there are that many people who order those old "classic" bits anyway, besides most of those "classic" bits have been replaced by newer much,much better versions. This is coming from a guy who has over the last year ordered several old metal Lothern Sea Guard for my new High Elf army. Will I miss these models if they go? Yes but it's their business. Business changes, the internet, online stores offering discounts, esellers of bits etc, they all eat into GW's profit and I order from a popular online reatailer all the time and I will contiunue to do so. I am so tired of hearing people gripe about GW everytime they change anything. GW has never had any competition, now with everything I listed above they have a sort of secondary competition and no matter what they do they always will. Look at it this way everyone here is complaining about GW and about how they stick it to the little man. Have any of you checked out ebay lately? When does anyone get a great deal on GW products from the little man on ebay? The same people who complain about GW sticking it to the little man are on there selling every bit or model as OOP! Ultra Rare! professionally Painted! and charging loan shark rates for shipping. Give me a break.

Mad Doc Grotsnik
16-09-2007, 14:06
Has anyone actually read the statement....

Bitz are going away in the short term, and will be back in a dedicated section all their own.

Sheesh!

spaint2k
16-09-2007, 14:27
Pesonally if I could choose between plastic and metal I would choose plastic everytime.


And I'd choose metal, because then my figures won't look like some Frankenstein's monster created by an 8 year old.



I am so tired of hearing people gripe about GW everytime they change anything.

You're right. We should celebrate the demise of something that GW once prided itself on doing.

Steve

bertcom1
16-09-2007, 14:28
Has anyone actually read the statement....
Bitz are going away in the short term, and will be back in a dedicated section all their own.


Yes, there will be a Bitz section. :)

However, it appears the range of currently existing Bitz and older models that will be available in this new section will be reduced. :(

There may be totally new sculpts bitz available, as part of this "Converters components range" - individual weapons etc., or these might just be existing bits relabelled. :eyebrows:

But I still haven't heard anything that says this is anything other than US specific. :confused:

spaint2k
16-09-2007, 14:29
Has anyone actually read the statement....

Bitz are going away in the short term, and will be back in a dedicated section all their own.

Sheesh!

No need to sound so exasperated MDG.

Of course the bitz'll be back. But only the ones that they think we'll need. Or special "bit" sprues or something.

Steve

Bookwrak
16-09-2007, 15:50
I'm just curious at what the actual space/storage costs for keeping older molds ran. If you want to keep a rubber mold in usable condition for a long period of intermittant uses you can't just leave it sitting on an open shelf in the production facility. I wonder how many casting you have to annually move to pay for storage, mold maintenance and replacement?

Lord Malek The Red Knight
16-09-2007, 16:31
right, just got off the phone with a helpful chap at Mail Order, and i was able to get most of what i needed.

first of all, i wasnt able to get some old cogs (pics attached, incase anyone is interested)... although i dont even remember what kit these came in (possibly something GorkaMorka? :p), so thats fair enough.

i also wasnt able to get all the metal parts i needed from the SOB Exorcist kit (i just wanted the base, front and sides of the organ bay/pulpit), so im going to have to buy the complete boxed set in the future. doesnt work out too bad, as the few parts i was going to order would probably make up the difference between the Rhino and Exorcist cost anyway... so all i have to do is find a use for a Rhino, and the spare SOB parts will be a bonus (didnt someone post that they used the Exorcist armour plates to make a pimped SOB Rhino... hmm ;)).

everything else i wanted, i was able to get*. the general rule of thumb appears to be that if the bits arent coming up on the online store, you wont be able to get them (but they will try the codes if you have them anyway). otherwise you will probably be OK, but it is liable to change without warning (felt a bit sorry for the MO guy, TBH :().

oh and the Specialist Games range appears to have been mostly left alone, it seems (thankfully).

anyway, good luck to everyone else with their orders! :)

cheers

~ Tim
p.s. *heres what i ended up getting (for my longterm AdMech project):
9947010200605 - Fabius Bile's Chiurgeon Arm 1
9947010200606 - Fabius Bile's Chiurgeon Arm 2
9947059913810 - Enforcer Hound
9947010129711 - Iron Hands Legs 2
9947010132003 - Black Templar Cenobyte with Standard
9947010132005 - Black Templars Cenobyte
9947010805118 - Throne Of Judgement Servitor 2
9947010206603 - Iron Warriors Warsmith Backpack Arm
9947021204107 - 2K Cauldron Of Blood Left Hand Candles
9947021204108 - 2K Cauldron Of Blood Right Hand Candles
9947010106101 - Wolf Scout Backpack

spaint2k
16-09-2007, 16:35
I'm sure the space is minimal, although the casting costs for figures that sell in the single digits every year is a little unreasonable.

There was talk a while back of rotating the back-catalogue ranges, which would probably have reduced costs and still kept storage down.

In some ways, I've always regarded the GW back-catalogue as a library, an archive of Citadel's history. Throwing all those old moulds in the garbage is almost criminal of them.

I'm sure someone's going to point out "who cares! It's GW's IP to do with as they please", but if a library destroyed its back-catalogue (most not having a copyright holder), or an author or movie-maker (cough, George Lucas, cough) actively hunted down and destroyed their old works then it still wouldn't be right.

Steve

Crazy Harborc
16-09-2007, 20:13
If some company were to pack away a whole bunch of really old minies.....they could then "discover them in the back of an unused section of a dark warehouse" in a couple of years.;) Naturally the prices would just have to be raised on the oop treasures.

selfconstrukt
16-09-2007, 20:47
Has anyone actually read the statement....

Bitz are going away in the short term, and will be back in a dedicated section all their own.

Sheesh!

True, but when they do come back it won't be like the old way. Bits are AFAIK being packaged in baggies, like FW product. As an example, SM shoulder pads. You will be able to buy specific chapters and types, but they will be sold in packs of 10.

Thing is, what if I only wanted to buy 1 or 2? I don't think that will be possible anymore, if they keep to the current plan.

But as anyone who has worked for GW knows, plans change daily depending on the ****** in charge.

Jedi152
17-09-2007, 09:02
Has anyone actually read the statement....

Bitz are going away in the short term, and will be back in a dedicated section all their own.

Sheesh!
Presumably in a severely reduced way.

I guess this was always inevitable as GW keep churning out new models pretty fast. It's sad, but that's life i guess. Modelling and collecting an army just got a whole lot more boring.

Time to buy that oop Lord of Change i guess. The thought of losing all those varied and excellent old chaos champions saddens me - the current range is a very poor substitute.

zid
18-09-2007, 07:17
I'm a bit surprised that there aren't many people who see this as a sad thing.:cries:
Some even like the news... getting excited over the idea of the goblin-on-spider thrown our way to distract us.
For me, a large chunk of the soul of GW just left the building.

My favorite part of the hobby has always been picking metal bits from all over the ranges for use in some inspired conversion. I build my armies this way. This hasn't been easy recently with the diminishing number of available bits. Now it's an endangered past-time.

Just based on my own priorities, this is akin to GW making an announcement that they weren't going to publish rules anymore.

I'm currently working on a model that uses 4 identical dragon heads. If I thought of the idea a few months from now it would probably be a near impossible project.:(

blongbling
18-09-2007, 09:00
there is something else to think about as well, from my understanding nearly all the GW MO turnover comes from, wait for it, existing models. the bits service is no longer used as much as it was before. As a business they clearly want to streamline their business and having hundreds of thousands of pounds tied up in inventory that doesnt sell is pointless.

As they move more and more towards plastics the whole point behind the bitz service will have less and less relevance as well

Sai-Lauren
18-09-2007, 09:57
Has anyone actually read the statement....

Bitz are going away in the short term, and will be back in a dedicated section all their own.

Sheesh!
Yep, they're all going away, and not all will ever come back again.


You make a good point, although I somehow feel that there should be a longer shelf life for many of their products. Gorkamorka Muties on Steeds anyone? I hadn't really considered the idea of finite shelf life for GW stuff since it's so easy to just create new moulds from your masters (unless you've managed to, ahem, lose them).

Rough Riders for a Chaos Guard army anyone? ;)

IMO, the best thing to do would be shift all the old moulds (say 5 years old plus, maybe even further back) out to a new subsidiary (call it Munitorium Archives or something), which keeps very little stock, but instead goes off and does an individual casting as and when it's needed. Prices would by necessity be higher than normal, but I don't think many people looking for odd old parts, or indeed whole figures, would mind too much.

Agamemnon2
18-09-2007, 10:35
Oh well, so much for my idea of getting Arbite stormtroopers. The old models are certain to go the way of the Squat, and Necromunda single miniatures will almost certainly follow.

And no, ebay isn't a substitute when you have to pay overseas shipping for EVERYTHING.

bertcom1
18-09-2007, 11:09
Oh well, so much for my idea of getting Arbite stormtroopers. The old models are certain to go the way of the Squat, and Necromunda single miniatures will almost certainly follow.

And no, ebay isn't a substitute when you have to pay overseas shipping for EVERYTHING.

They say the specialist games won't be affected (much).

Again, I have to ask, Has anyone read anything that says this applies outside the U.S.A. ?

Anyway.

I would expect such things as the individual metal Marines to disappear completely. Metal Terminators, Metal Devastators, Metal Scouts. You don't need them now there are all-plastic boxes available, do you?

The metal Chaos Terminators have disappeared from the Chaos section, and don't show on the classics/collectors section either. You can still find them though by running a search. Same for the metal Space Marine Terminators. How long do you think that situation will last?

Jedi152
18-09-2007, 11:59
The metal Chaos Terminators have disappeared from the Chaos section, and don't show on the classics/collectors section either. You can still find them though by running a search. Same for the metal Space Marine Terminators. How long do you think that situation will last?
Probably until the last staff member has all the ones he wants! :p

I've started making my list. It's annoying, as i don't have to buy bits for stuff i'm collecting now, i have to buy bits for stuff i may collect in the future!

bertcom1
18-09-2007, 12:18
Thing is, though that if the metal Terminators vanish, then that affects game rules - the Terminator base size controversy.

2ndCompanyVeterans
18-09-2007, 17:01
Lol good one that about the bases, On the other hand lingering stock gets taxed which sucks, Which is why the paint company I worked for used to have big sales in spring before the finacial year end so that they cleared the warehouse. So if there is a load of spare stock it costs money as dead assets.

EvC
18-09-2007, 20:33
Lingering stock gets taxed? That sucks.

The litmuss test on whether this new GW ploy will be good or just more of the same BS is if they do cool things like letting people actually buy things they want, like the new horses from the High Elf Chariot.

Vaktathi
18-09-2007, 21:16
While I can certainly understand some of the reasons why they are doing this (and why they havent done it sooner) it is kinda sad, being able to get pretty much any bit that was on the website was always cool (glad I just placed an order too, got my Warsmiths, metal termi arms and heads, and old Iron Warriors boxed sets and a couple other things)

However, this leaves a rather large question. Why should I order anything from the GW online store? If there really are no more bitz, then anything else is in a ready made kit, easily obtainable from TheWarStore or FRP at a much better price and probably cheaper shipping.

What purpose then does the GW online store have until they get Bitz back up and running, and if the Bitz is merely a shadow of its former self, then why bother most of the time?

Andyalloverdaplace
18-09-2007, 21:45
I had a good laugh earlier, I looked at the US and Canadian online stores, and the Canadian store is charging 40% more for the Apocalypse book ($70 CDN vs $50 US) than the US store, while the Canuck dollar is 0.98 US dollars (so basically equal).

Much as I like GW stuff, I'm going to hold off until that 40% surcharge gets dropped. I don't need to prove I'm an idiot, I have friends for that.

selfconstrukt
19-09-2007, 00:23
A good general rule to follow, is that GW will discontinue anything that could interfere with current product sales. It just makes sense, since the majority of the current archive range does not make GW much profit anyway.

I had heard that out of about 15,000(give or take) models, only about 1000 actually make GW a profit each year.
If I can get specifics, I will, but it will be a few days before I can.

So the old SM Terminators will probably go away, since there are newer plastic ones.

Crazy Harborc
19-09-2007, 00:47
IMHO, one sure way for GW to crash itself would be to only stock/sell the minies that GW has been making a profit from the sale thereof. Oh I know, I know.......but selling only the X,Y and Z minies will mean GW will be in the green big time again.......Just how long will customers settle for ONLY buying that selection of 1000 choices instead of what they, the paying customers want to buy.

sheck2
19-09-2007, 14:33
IMHO, one sure way for GW to crash itself would be to only stock/sell the minies that GW has been making a profit from the sale thereof. Oh I know, I know.......but selling only the X,Y and Z minies will mean GW will be in the green big time again.......Just how long will customers settle for ONLY buying that selection of 1000 choices instead of what they, the paying customers want to buy.

CH...your logic is confusing to me...

To me - GW is saying we are not going to stock/sell minis which are not selling (or selling rarely). Logically - no sales or rare sales (for minis) should mean these minis have low profitability. If they were profitable at their current sales level, GW would keep them stocked.

So they will be stocking what most customers want...they will be pleasing most people most of the time not everyone all the time.

A customer walking away from them entirely because they can only get 9 of the 10 minis they want (the one mini desired is not available except on eBay) seems like cutting off your nose to spite your face...an extreme and very rare reaction.

Am I missing something?

spaint2k
19-09-2007, 15:15
I was thinking the way it would lose customers is this:

I want to buy the Ork Big Mek coming out next month, but I might as well buy some other bitz or classic pieces that are otherwise unavailable to make the order worthwhile. No bitz = no order.

Or say 10 people all bought 10 items from the online store, but only one of those items was a common item for every buyer. Item A would like a big seller because it was sold ten times over, while the other 90 items ordered collectively by these people would be considered "money losers". However, out of all ten of these buyers, how many would have made the purchase if only item A were available?

Steve

rivers3162
19-09-2007, 15:48
Why should I order anything from the GW online store? If there really are no more bitz, then anything else is in a ready made kit, easily obtainable from TheWarStore or FRP at a much better price and probably cheaper shipping.

What purpose then does the GW online store have until they get Bitz back up and running, and if the Bitz is merely a shadow of its former self, then why bother most of the time?

The way I see it, GW is moving towards an all-plastic range anyways. So maybe in x years there will be no bits at all because no new metal parts are being released. In recent metal minis, separate bits are often cast onto the base tab, presumably to save metal but this also means that to get that part, you'd need to order the entire model. Make of that what you will...

Anyways, it seems to me that GW mail order is good for 3 things - having all the ranges including SGs, bitz and direct only models.

By reducing the bitz range, gamers might be unable to find what they want and not bother ordering or wait until they need a whole load of stuff. GW are effectively reducing the usefulness of mail order (speculatively, maybe everyone will love the new reduced range..), meaning that most internet-savvy gamers will only place orders for direct only models, SG or for a load of bitz that justifies the postage costs.

TBH, I can't see your average customer using mail order for ordinary purchases as its pretty easy to find online stores offering 20%+ discounts or buy them in-store locally. The only real customer I can imagine using mail order for mundane items are those who aren't clued up on the hobby or the net - e.g. little Johnny's parents looking for the SM battleforce for his Christmas or the like. Although as a form of rebuttal, GW seem to be doing more 'direct onlys' and also seem to be pulling some of the current minis from shops for no apparent reason which could be seen as trying to 'force' more people to use mail order.

Who knows, maybe in a year or two, GW will be cutting mail order jobs because the service isn't being used as much as it was...

yabbadabba
19-09-2007, 16:18
Or say 10 people all bought 10 items from the online store, but only one of those items was a common item for every buyer. Item A would like a big seller because it was sold ten times over, while the other 90 items ordered collectively by these people would be considered "money losers". However, out of all ten of these buyers, how many would have made the purchase if only item A were available?
Steve

On the other hand, if those 10 customers were buying product that only sells once or twice a year, the profitablility on those lines would be negative, possibly even with common item A added inot the order. One of the sad things about businesses today is that financially, it is better for them to lose some money and to cut loss making areas, rather than sell more, but at an individual loss for some items, even if it is good for customer service :wtf:
Whereas the sales figures go up, the associated costs also go up.

The things we musn't discount are two-fold. The first is GW could be cutting some bits lines to replace them with new component parts which are more profitable. For instance a marine generic conversion sprue.
The second thing is that in this day and age of GW furiously protecting and trying to profit on it's IP, some of the classic figures that will be dropped. This will be because they no longer fit the IP and are therefore no longer fit for purpose. A great example is Arbites in 40K. No matter how much us old lags love the models and the idea, at the moment there is no place in 40K for policemen.


The way I see it, GW is moving towards an all-plastic range anyways. So maybe in x years there will be no bits at all because no new metal parts are being released. In recent metal minis, separate bits are often cast onto the base tab, presumably to save metal but this also means that to get that part, you'd need to order the entire model. Make of that what you will...

Also they are casting more "inclusive" metal models. Try ordering the Empire clockwork horse or the Ravenwing Grand Master's jetbike! Both would require a lot of modelling as they come with attached legs. So much for my "Baron Munchausen" style Rough Riders ... ...


By reducing the bitz range, gamers might be unable to find what they want and not bother ordering or wait until they need a whole load of stuff. GW are effectively reducing the usefulness of mail order (speculatively, maybe everyone will love the new reduced range..), meaning that most internet-savvy gamers will only place orders for direct only models, SG or for a load of bitz that justifies the postage costs.

You are right, but we don't know how the online business is going to re-invent itself. For instance we might see the return of certain limited release items, like colour sprays or basing kits. What we can be sure of is that they are aware of the issues and the competition they face. Whether they chosse to ignore it or not is another matter :D


TBH, I can't see your average customer using mail order for ordinary purchases as its pretty easy to find online stores offering 20%+ discounts or buy them in-store locally. The only real customer I can imagine using mail order for mundane items are those who aren't clued up on the hobby or the net - e.g. little Johnny's parents looking for the SM battleforce for his Christmas or the like. Although as a form of rebuttal, GW seem to be doing more 'direct onlys' and also seem to be pulling some of the current minis from shops for no apparent reason which could be seen as trying to 'force' more people to use mail order.

I think there are a couple of things here. The first is that there is still a culture in the UK of people only trusting to buy from certain stores/businesses. I know lots of people who will only buy from recommended dealers or suppliers, even though exactly the same products can be found substantially cheaper if they shopped around.

The second things is about stock levels. Having worked in a few retail businesses I can say that stock in stock rooms and shop floors is dead stock, until it is sold. While you need to have certain levels of stock to meet your customers expectations, some products are just not worth the expense. Remember the old Champion/Command blisters? They hardly ever sold. I wouldn't be surprised if some GW stores have enough of certain stock items to last them for decades ... ...

Dead stock is dead cash. Reduce your stock holding and you increase the profitability of your company. You'll find that products are being withdrawn to mail order not to force people to use it (always take the cash!) but to reduce the stock levels in stores.

grickherder
19-09-2007, 17:51
It makes sense to reduce metal bitz, especially if they are not selling well and are very labour intensive to cast, administer, pick and package. It may suck if you suddenly want one of these rarely ordered bitz, but I don't blame GW for axing them.

Gaebriel
19-09-2007, 19:49
Yup, blame the community for not having the same taste as you... :rolleyes:

Crazy Harborc
19-09-2007, 22:32
IMHO, GW will be attempting to channel potential customers into buying what is the most profitable for GW to sell. "These are the choices you are allowed to choose from. We have taken away the rest of the choices".

Then in a couple of years the old choices that were in temporary limbo will be back/available....At new improved prices...maybe in new packaging.;)

reds8n
20-09-2007, 09:17
linky (http://us.games-workshop.com/news/default.htm#one)

Updated to include the full range of bits they're removing. £$%^ me it's a lot.

It's an excel file btw.

yabbadabba
20-09-2007, 09:47
linky (http://us.games-workshop.com/news/default.htm#one)

Updated to include the full range of bits they're removing. £$%^ me it's a lot.

It's an excel file btw.

That was invaluable. Cheers mate!

Jedi152
20-09-2007, 10:00
This is going to sound a bit silly, but do we actually know this is going to happen in the UK? No mention of it on the UK site yet...

**EDIT** Looking at that list, i don't think any of that is on the UK online store anyway - some was taken down last month. I've a feeling that this is already in effect in the UK.

reds8n
20-09-2007, 10:18
I've been told this is happenig in the UK-- the article in the OP is in the next WD apparently.

Chaos and Evil
20-09-2007, 11:40
Two thousand, nine hundred and fifty-nine part codes.

bertcom1
20-09-2007, 12:18
That list has some weird things on it.

For example: It seems in the U.S. you will soon no longer be able to bitz order the right side multimelta shield for the Land Raider Crusader. But it seems you would still be able to bitz order the left side shield.

:eyebrows::confused:


Looking at the UK store, it seems the right side shield has already been removed.

Important Unannounced Changes, woot!!! :eyebrows:

gOOmba
20-09-2007, 13:01
it's funny how this is happening on the heels of Apocolypse

Im sure its gonna scare more than a few people into a frenzy of buying some old models before they are gone

setekhite
20-09-2007, 18:13
It looks like the cull is already happening in the UK; it explains why some 'bitz' I was after recently weren't on the site.

Sad news, though, even if I can completely understand the logic. Still, the option to pick specific models from lines will somewhat make up for it (assuming there is no extra cost attached!). The one big issue I have with other online retailers is that I can't pick which variants I get.

Gen.Steiner
20-09-2007, 18:14
I'm just hoping that the old metal Cadians and Catachans stay around for a while, I like those models and don't particularly want to paint-strip a job lot bought on Ebay... oh well, I'll probably end up trawling Bring and Buys at shows now.

Never mind. :( I remember an old Citadel Journal article that advertised the Dwarf range, remember the Ninja Dwarf and Dwarf on Stilts, anyone?

selfconstrukt
20-09-2007, 18:48
it's funny how this is happening on the heels of Apocolypse. Im sure its gonna scare more than a few people into a frenzy of buying some old models before they are gone

I think that was the tactic GW was looking for. Since they ended last year in the hole, starting the new year off they would want to draw in as much money as possible.
So they start the new year off with a large scale campaign which has larger box sets that cost more (even if you get another vehicle) so customers will be spending more money.

That covers the gamer customers.

Then you announce you are discontinuing a large chunk of models, which will spur customers into buying, because they may not be able to get them anymore. So you stock up and spend money.

That covers the modeler and collector customers.

The new product line they will probably roll out is more along the line of "finished goods". Yes you can pick the specific model, but you have to buy the WHOLE MODEL. You won't be able to get just a gun, or wing etc.

Which means you will be spending more money to get what you want, since a blister pack will always costs more than just a bit.

What GW is doing is smart, even if its a bit sneaky. They are in business to make money, and that is what they are going to do.

Gen.Steiner
20-09-2007, 18:55
They are in business to make money, and that is what they are going to do.

So long as I can still buy old Chaos Warriors (metal) and old Guard models by the bucketload I don't mind what they do; they could paint themselves purple with pink blotches and announce that their staff were a new model range if they keep selling those old Guard figures...

selfconstrukt
20-09-2007, 19:16
So long as I can still buy old Chaos Warriors (metal) and old Guard models by the bucketload I don't mind what they do; they could paint themselves purple with pink blotches and announce that their staff were a new model range if they keep selling those old Guard figures...

Well I hate to tell you this but....Oh well, you'll find out soon enough.:evilgrin:

Gen.Steiner
20-09-2007, 19:34
They're scrapping the old metal Guard ranges!? :eek: PLEASE tell me that they're not!!

Chaos and Evil
20-09-2007, 19:50
I think these are all the IG bitz being withdrawn:


ROUGH RIDER STANDARD BEARER TO
RATLING 6
RATLING 3
RATLING 1
RATLING 4
RATLING 2
RATLING 5
CHENKOV BOLT PISTOL ARM
JUNGLE FIGHTER CAPTAIN BODY
JUNGLE FIGHTER CAPTAIN BOLTGUN
COMMISAR 3 HAND FLAMER ARM
JUNGLE FIGHTER GUNNER BODY
JUNGLE FIGHTER LASCANNON LOADE
IRON GUARD GUNNER BODY
STORM TROOPER GUNNER BODY
STORM TROOPER GUNNER LEGS
STORM TROOPER HEAVY BOLTER LOA
CATACHAN SERGEANT 2
STORM TROOPER WITH SWORD
ROUGH RIDER TORSO 2
ROUGH RIDER TORSO 3
ROUGH RIDER CHAINSWORD
YARRICK'S BANNER POLE
JUNGLE FIGHTER WITH LASGUN 8
JUNGLE FIGHTER WITH LASGUN 1
JUNGLE FIGHTER WITH LASGUN 2
JUNGLE FIGHTER WITH LASGUN 3
JUNGLE FIGHTER LOADER
SHOCK TROOP WITH LASGUN 3
SHOCK TROOP SERGEANT 1
SHOCK TROOP WITH FLAMER
ROUGH RIDER LIEUTENANT BODY
ROUGH RIDER LIEUTENANT ARM
HATCH BASE
HATCH LID 1
HATCH LID 2
DEMOLISHER CANNON MANTLET
DEMOLISHER CANNON TOP
DEMOLISHER CANNON BOTTOM
SPONSON FRONT
SPONSON REAR
MULTI-MELTA
BACKPACK
TURRET BOTTOM
HELLHOUND TOP PLATE
TARGETTING CUPOLA
FUEL HOSE
LOADER 2 PRAETORIAN AUTOCANNON
TROOPER 1 PRAETORIAN WOUNDED
TROOPER 2 PRAETORIAN WOUNDED
TORSO GUNNER CATACHAN AUTOCANN
GUNNER TORSO VALHALLAN AUTOCAN
BODY TOP IMPERIAL SENTINAL
BODY BOTTOM IMPERIAL SENTINAL
POWER PLANT IMPERIAL SENTINAL
DRIVER IMPERIAL SENTINAL
LEFT LEG IMPERIAL SENTINAL
FOOT PIECE IMPERIAL SENTINAL
LORD SOLAR MACHARIUS BOLT PISTOL ARM
LORD SOLAR MACHARIUS SOLAR STAFF ARM
I/GUARD 'IRON HAND' STRAKEN'
CATACHAN HEAVY FLAMER 1
CATACHAN HEAVY FLAMER 2
STEEL LEGION MISSILE GUNNER
STEEL LEGION MISSILE PACK
YARRICK BODY
HEAVY BOLTER GUNNER
HEAVY BOLTER LOADER
HEAVY BOLTER STAND
S/LEG LASCANNON POWER PACK
S/LEG LASCANNON STAND
JERRAN KELL

Gen.Steiner
20-09-2007, 20:22
It seems, then, that the metal Cadian and Catachan ranges are taking some hits but I hope that they will be re-released as blister packs...

Brother Lysander
21-09-2007, 02:39
I tried getting some older Marine armour types from Warhammer World itself a while ago, only to find they barely had 3-4 varieties listed in their catalogues. In the end I only managed to get 1 each of the MKIV, MKV and MKVI armour types. The thing is I would have got more were there a larger selection, in order to build whole squads from them as opposed to just adding the odd 1 or 2 to my army. Given the seemingly never-ending popularity of the Horus Heresy novels at the moment, I keep finding myself wondering why GW isn't cashing in on it...surely removing those older armour types is a little daft. I would have thought Forgeworld at least would have had something planned, as I thought they did have when the Red Scorpions were first released.

BL

Biggles
20-10-2007, 22:09
Sorry to bring this depressing news up again, but I've recently had a major PC mess up so I've lost the file that showed what was going missing. Can anyone show me where I can find it again please?

reds8n
21-10-2007, 10:33
Don't know if it's still online but if you PM me your email I'd be happy to post it to you.:)

vice
21-10-2007, 11:16
Mon dieu, it's going to happen to Australia too, according to WD!

Wait a sec...We don't have bits order...WTF?

Maidel
22-10-2007, 23:01
I do feel a bit sorry for GW in this instance. When they offered the full range it was FAR smaller than the current range.

Just to give an example - I can remember 3 different marnus Calgar figures, 3 different ghazgull models, 4 different generations of terminator figures, 3 of each of the eldar aspect warriors... etc you get my drift.

What was once a promise to supply any one of 2,000 figures is now unreasonable when they now produce 50,000 (I dont know the numbers - but you get my meaning).

going back to my above line of reasoning - how many people want calgar? and of the people who do want him - what proportion of them want the new figure and what proportion want the old figure (especially when the older figures cost the same as the new one which is 100x nicer...) now they have to have those 2 other moulds ready for use despite the fact that they only get one order for them every other year - it just doesnt make sense.

Often - and im not saying this about people specific issues in this thread, but often people want things that they are never going to buy. I often wish that they would re-realease the original plastic marine box set - the one I had when I was 7 and thought was brilliant.

Then I look at some of those models again and really realise that I would prefer the new space marine tactical squad - we often want these things because they remind us of how things were in 'our day' without realising that we ask for things to be kept in production that we would never actually buy.

Delicious Soy
23-10-2007, 00:50
Mon dieu, it's going to happen to Australia too, according to WD!

Wait a sec...We don't have bits order...WTF?Obviously someone in the Oz WD team isn't being as prudent with the copy/paste as they should be.:p

thejimp
25-10-2007, 00:07
hello, i'm completely new to this but i was wondering if anyone knew what was happening about Dogs of War models. For me, they are some of the most characterful pieces GW ever produced and i really don't have the funds to buy them on mass if they are all going to disappear by nov 5th. sorry if this has already been brought up before.

Tar a lar, jim

Gen.Steiner
25-10-2007, 08:14
I don't think the Dogs of War range is going, they're still useable and can generally only be bought as full models our units anyway so I don't see why GW would pull them.

Not that logic has stopped them in the past! :p

thejimp
25-10-2007, 14:56
Thanks very much. You've just saved me from a massive panic induced buying frenzy. :)

selfconstrukt
27-10-2007, 14:57
it's funny how this is happening on the heels of Apocolypse

Im sure its gonna scare more than a few people into a frenzy of buying some old models before they are gone

Thats the whole point. This "range review" has been in the works for a few years now, and was supposed to be done a year ago.
It was held off since any profits from people stocking up would have been lost in last years poor performance.

GW wanted to start this new year off making as much as possible, so they release a large scale campaign system (Apocalypse) and offer larger box sets at a discount, then they announce the bits range is being "culled" which will spur people into buying.

There was more, but I cannot recall right now the specifics.

Some guy (UK)
27-10-2007, 16:29
I've just put an £80 order in of bits and particular models, just for the fear of those part dissapearing into the night.

'The plan' has certainly worked, but I for one would have spent far more if they were not getting rid of the service, easily over £150, as I have been planning this order for several months. However, I simply don't have that much at the moment, so I was forced to stream line my order.

Crazy Harborc
27-10-2007, 21:11
I did put some thought into ordering some bits and to be dropped minies. When I went onto the GW, USA site I found a site link to a list of the soon to be dropped bitz and minies. The list cannot be viewed unless you have Microsoft, Office 2003 installed. Let's see now, it's (that list) is on the GW. USA online store site. None of the rest of the site requires Microsoft 2003 to be viewed. Anyway, since I can't read the list....I am saving 50 to 100 USDs. Time to order more Old Glory.

OH, I sent an e-mail to GW, USA asking what was the story. Apparently, there is a 3-4 week delay in responding to customers e-mails:rolleyes::rolleyes:........Business like, yeah right.

jb85
27-10-2007, 21:24
I can solve that problem for you Crazy Harborc, download Microsoft Excel viewer and you should be able to open the document.

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=c8378bf4-996c-4569-b547-75edbd03aaf0&displaylang=EN

Crazy Harborc
28-10-2007, 03:43
Thanks jb85, I or my wife should have thought of that. (We are not PC nerds....just old fart nerds). Now if only GW's website tech section had responded to my e-mail with that idea......Guess GW doesn't need the business. I will just spend the money with Old Glory.

I still cannot understand why a business like GW would not have ALL of their site accessible on one system? Customers should not have to jump thru hoops for a deal like that list.

jb85
28-10-2007, 11:31
A PC nerd, say it isn't so :(

Most of the downloads on GW seem to be PDF documents but I can appreciate why this list was complied on Excel given its nature and size. Probably just an oversight that it wasn't converted to a PDF (or they didn't think a 20+ page document was practical).

thearchiver
28-10-2007, 13:11
As someone with an accounting background I can see the reason to most of the change.

All these bitz have a master, now that master is an assest.
This master needs to be maintained, As someone with an accounting background I can see the reason to most of the change.

All these bitz have a master, now that master is an asset. An asset that just sitting there is never a good thing, because in real terms you’re just over stating your assets.

This master needs to be maintained, so you’re paying for someone to do that

Each stock take you need someone to count all the masters, so you’re paying for someone to do that

From what I have seen of GM masters there normally making 6- 20 bitz from one cast. So someone comes along and orders 1, you end up with 19 others sitting in stock. Stock that just sitting around is never good also.

So while I love the idea of being able to order anything that GW have ever made, I can also see that in real terms such a claim can only last for so long. The cost of maintaining such a large back catalog would be very large and there has to come a time when all models have to meet there maker. (Not that all old masters should be given back to the Perry twins with a note saying we don’t want them anymore)

selfconstrukt
28-10-2007, 17:13
As someone with an accounting background I can see the reason to most of the change.

All these bitz have a master, now that master is an assest.
This master needs to be maintained, As someone with an accounting background I can see the reason to most of the change.

All these bitz have a master, now that master is an asset. An asset that just sitting there is never a good thing, because in real terms you’re just over stating your assets.

This master needs to be maintained, so you’re paying for someone to do that

Each stock take you need someone to count all the masters, so you’re paying for someone to do that

From what I have seen of GM masters there normally making 6- 20 bitz from one cast. So someone comes along and orders 1, you end up with 19 others sitting in stock. Stock that just sitting around is never good also.

What you are talking about is the "production" models used for customer purchases.

The masters, after a mold has been made, sit in a box on a shelf and gather dust until the mold needs to be remade.
Masters and Molds are rarely inventoried at GW, and few people there outside of the mold dept know what is really available.

If you only knew what GW still had masters for.......

thearchiver
29-10-2007, 05:53
Labour costs and material have been used to make these masters, that means the must have a book value.

You dont think the accountants of GW just let the model design team run around without record keeping. There a publicly listed company that means inventory (both cast/finshed products and the masters and moulds to make the must be recorded) its company law.

And belive me when accountant have a list of what there should be and it dont match up with whats really there the *&^$ hits the fan.

selfconstrukt
29-10-2007, 17:16
Labour costs and material have been used to make these masters, that means the must have a book value.

You dont think the accountants of GW just let the model design team run around without record keeping. There a publicly listed company that means inventory (both cast/finshed products and the masters and moulds to make the must be recorded) its company law.

And belive me when accountant have a list of what there should be and it dont match up with whats really there the *&^$ hits the fan.

In the almost 6 years I worked for GW, several of those years was in Manufacturing, we never inventoried the masters or the molds.

And AFAIK they never did that in Baltimore or Memphis either. The supervisor of the department wanted to inventory them, but none of the managers felt it was necessary, so it never got done.

Not once.

Crazy Harborc
30-10-2007, 01:50
I do believe that molds and other equipment that is not sold as a companie's product(s) do not need to be inventoried in the same way as products made to be sold......Now that's on THIS side of the pond and in my state.

thearchiver
30-10-2007, 03:00
Well here in OZ we have a thing called Asset managment, so everything is inventoried.

I also just got of the phone with my plastic supplier (called about faulty product) but asked them what whould happen if they found out that their production manager hadent inventoried their masters in six years. The responce was the would be sacked on the spot, thou these guys push more plastic out in a day then GW would in a month or more.

Bottom line is some of the masters now are worth more now as scrap metal vs the need to keep them, and with GW looking at cost cutting its not hard to see why this is happening.

studderigdave
04-11-2007, 17:29
of course i cant get through to the GW site today to make my final bitz order.

is the cutoff day today or is it monday?

Gen.Steiner
06-11-2007, 14:24
Oh well, there goes my GW order for the metal Guard probably. eBay, here I come...

DarkSoldier
09-11-2007, 11:02
I can solve that problem for you Crazy Harborc, download Microsoft Excel viewer and you should be able to open the document.Don't bother; get OpenOffice.Org. It has six different functions that replicate Microsoft Office, but it's all freeware and doesn't come with an annoying paperclip.

Crimson Reaver
09-11-2007, 11:48
Well I've gone and placed an order for more Battle Sisters over the telephone, so if anyone in the uK wants the Sister Superior holding the Boltgun at arms length, I just got the last one so I'm really sorry :(

I found this out from the Mail Order chap:

1) There will be a large book coming out in Feb-March next year containing everything that GW are producing at that time, if a model isn't in it, then it will no longer be available, apparently the final cull has yet to be finalised.

2) They have to pay some form of tax regarding their models, which means that they have to sell enough of them to make keeping the model viable, hence the old and infrequent sellers getting culled. I'm not sure exactly how this works, as neither myself nor the guy at GW are experts on tax law, but still :D

3) The Mail Order guys have had chance to feedback to GW higher-ups what they reckon would sell, and the new Direct Order Bitz coming in next year are going to be bags of components, both newly sculpted and existing bits, that will retail at around £5-£6 and will contain different weapon arms, heads etc. The first of these will be done to support the new Ork range, most probably Stormboyz.

4) Jes Goodwin is being bugged by plenty of people within GW HQ to do plastic Battle Sisters, this may well coincide with an all-inclusive Inquisition Dex. I commented on the lack of Sister Superior models that were now available and was told that this would be rectified when the Sisters were revisited :)

If you want some components, models etc I'd suggest calling Mail Order as they still have the facility to do stock checks on all their models, so you might get lucky and bag the stuff you need.

Putty
22-03-2008, 04:37
zzzzzzz

if bitz battlewagon could do a bitz battlewagon, why can't a super duper company like games workshop do an equalivent?

lazy, incompetent and 10 other negative words that i can't fanthom right now because i don't have enuff coffee in me.

grickherder
22-03-2008, 08:16
Tim Kirby admitted they were fat and lazy. And now they're paying for it. And if that means canning and restructuring the bitz service, then that's what they have to do to stop from hemorrhaging money. I had a heavily converted army planned but this move canceled it, so they've lost a bit from me, however, I actually doubt that the lost business will be bigger than the savings once their restructuring is done.

Was that... positive... about GW? I feel dirty :evilgrin: