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Gwwwargh
20-09-2007, 00:33
I search for all of 5 min and couldnt find anything saying how many grotz would be a in a all grotz Apocalypse army... mind you i did once(atleast) fail at the internet before so i might have missed it...

so how many grotz in all grot Apocalypse army?

Meticulous
20-09-2007, 00:36
3000 - cost of HQ choice. Divide that by the cost of a single grot, and there you go.

Which, even without doing the math, is enough grots to drive a painter insane.

mistformsquirrel
20-09-2007, 00:41
<X.x> Wahahahahaaa... I want to die.

Depending on if you want anything else at all, you could very easily take 800 of them.

800!!

<x.x>; And that's assuming you choose more than just a barebones warboss to lead the whole thing.

alchemist
20-09-2007, 00:42
Would all those grots even fit on a normal 4 by 4 table?

Meticulous
20-09-2007, 00:49
Would all those grots even fit on a normal 4 by 4 table?

Doubtful, but Apocalypse is played on bigger tables, so there you go.

Gwwwargh
20-09-2007, 00:50
3000 points isnt nearly Apocalypsy enough i was thinking more of 5000+

Meticulous
20-09-2007, 01:04
Now that's just silly. Can you imagine how many grots that'd be?

Gwwwargh
20-09-2007, 01:10
Now that's just silly. Can you imagine how many grots that'd be?

lol i was going to say 10k... not that id ever have enough time or money to do this but you know just cuz it seemed like a good idea at the time

gLOBS
20-09-2007, 01:17
Don't forget to include a few grotnaughts.

VanHel
20-09-2007, 01:38
Go ahead and do that. I've got an armoured company of basillisks w/indirect fire.....

Vhakur
20-09-2007, 01:53
A square foot would hold 144 grots base to base. On a standard 4x6 table with 12in deployment zones, you could legally deploy up to 864 grots if there's no terrain and no other models. 1728 grots would completely cover your half of the table and the entire board could hold 3456 of em.

yikes...

JoV
20-09-2007, 01:58
Do they have snotlings on 40K? if so, a snotling Apocalypse army would nice!

Ddraiglais
20-09-2007, 02:28
Now the next question should be how many shots from a warlord would it take to kill that many grots? :p

Hellebore
20-09-2007, 02:30
A grot is 3 points.

Ergo, 3000 points nabs you 1000 grotz.

Hellebore

onnotangu
20-09-2007, 03:30
and one fear of the darkness test and all those grots are gone from the game.

killa kan kaus
20-09-2007, 03:46
Plastic grotz may make this list a reality

Gwwwargh
20-09-2007, 04:30
I really hope so... I hope one day I see someone field 800 grotz... Id also love to see them fail fear of darkness test and leave the game all in one turn... just because it would have probably taken a looooong time to set them all up

20-09-2007, 07:08
it would be even better if they all charged and beat a chaos army in hand to hand

Raven1
20-09-2007, 07:14
it would be even better if they all charged and beat a chaos army in hand to hand

I was going to say as cool as that would look, you would never ever ever ever ever win...ever. Maybe if your opponent roled all ones.

Moriarty
20-09-2007, 07:23
Grotz? Apocalypse? Grotz? Apocalypse? Painting one every 20 minutes gives 267 hours for your 800 grotz. 0r about 33 days painting at eight hours a day...

This assumes a passing Police Constable does not have you Sectioned and put away in a quiet place full of soft furnishings.

untimention
20-09-2007, 07:25
there would be no point in taking such an army... ill just take sum super heavy's and oppsss the grots are useless and i can blow up say 80 a turn

Bunnahabhain
20-09-2007, 08:27
Then speak nicely to some of your local guard players, and get them to pool resources to bring as many conscripts as possible as the opposition.

I know they'll work out at 5 pts each, including the commissar- sorry drill instructor-, so they may be slightly overpowered against the grots.

I suggest setting up near each other, so you don't have too many movement phases...

Jester Boy
20-09-2007, 08:42
The shooting phase would be great. For both players.

Scythe
20-09-2007, 08:47
What would be the point? You wouldn't even be able to scratch of the paint of a landspeeder... And 10" templates would hurt base-to-base grots quite a lot...

Anyway, so you are painting up 1000 grots in the comming weeks?

Jester Boy
20-09-2007, 08:54
Undercoat them black and say they are all ninjas...

Hellebore
20-09-2007, 08:56
I have beaten tau, drop pod marines, eldar, and ordinary marines with an entire army of grotz.

When you have slaverz with squig hounds giving re-rollable Ld7 tests, they don't break much.

And when you have mekboyz spread around the place all equipped with kustom force fields, they don't die much either.

It's quite amusing seeing an entire tau army give up caring what weapon is firing because they all wound a grot on a 2+ - and then fail to kill all of them and get assaulted and wiped out. :cool:

Hellebore

Stingray_tm
20-09-2007, 09:03
I prefer to have 300+ deep striking spore mines. Should be the cheapest 40K 3000 points army ever... (I guess 90% explode on some target anyway, so you don't need the models).

20-09-2007, 09:06
i dont even collect orks...or like grots that much...or feel like painting...but...

*starts painting grots*

Scythe
20-09-2007, 09:06
I prefer to have 300+ deep striking spore mines. Should be the cheapest 40K 3000 points army ever... (I guess 90% explode on some target anyway, so you don't need the models).

That would be an army made of only orbital strikes. No models at all, and you could get 30-40 templates per turn in a 3000 pts army. :p

IJW
20-09-2007, 09:08
So much for holding objectives with those mines and strikes. ;)

Darnok
20-09-2007, 09:10
I once painted 120 of the old plastic Gretchin. Even with only very basic details it was a complete pain in the a\$\$. I don't even want to think about painting 780 more of those.

However, I'm now in the position to field those 120 clone grots plus another 30 or so in metal, and they will make a nice grot contingent in all of my Apoc games. :)

Jester Boy
20-09-2007, 09:12
If you spent enough time on the pie plates you could take out best painted army at tornys...

Sureshot05
20-09-2007, 09:21
So much for holding objectives with those mines and strikes. ;)

Its that "If I can't have it, then you can't have it either" view point of the inquisition that we have all come to know and love. :p

Scythe
20-09-2007, 09:33
Exactly. Who cares about objectives when you can drop 40 pie plates on your enemy each turn, and he can do nothing at all about it? :p

Like the grots, it would be a nice grimick. See if you can kill all enemies within the turn limit...

Latro_
20-09-2007, 10:01
Now suicide grots, that'd be fun.

Make em 6pts each and on contact with anything they explode like a krak missile.

Lastie
20-09-2007, 11:04
I can see a future Datasheet in the works. :p

Railgunner
20-09-2007, 11:16
Its that "If I can't have it, then you can't have it either" view point of the inquisition that we have all come to know and love. :p

GW might as well bring out an Exterminatus data sheet, would probably look like this;

Exterminatus
Cost: The same as the opposing army.
Rules: At the beginning of the =I= player's 1st turn all enemy units and the table and terrain are destroyed.
The =I= player instantly wins as his army is safely aboard their ship, making great speed to find a new planet to blow up.

Gotta love the Inquisition :evilgrin:

RG

Gwwwargh
20-09-2007, 11:24
Now suicide grots, that'd be fun.

Make em 6pts each and on contact with anything they explode like a krak missile.

see now thats just a good idea :D

Gwwwargh
20-09-2007, 11:27
I didnt mean this would be a good idea. I just think it would be a hilarious waste of time... wait grotz getting hurt, killed or scared id never a waste of time. Mostly I made this thread to see what people would say to amuse myself... no that doesnt sound quite right i made it for ***** and giggles

Grazzy
20-09-2007, 15:51
Well, put it like this. Get your 3000 points apocalypse list and see how many shots it gets. Multiply tjis by six turns. Can you kill all 800+ grots?

Latro_
20-09-2007, 17:24
Well, put it like this. Get your 3000 points apocalypse list and see how many shots it gets. Multiply tjis by six turns. Can you kill all 800+ grots?

hehe it'd be more fun with plauge zombies.

Seemingly games of apoc just last as long as any other game of 40k, due to the fact the templates are as big as the late pavaroti's **** and the effects of explosions are as bad as the late pavarotis **** after a curry.

scarletsquig
20-09-2007, 17:43
GW might as well bring out an Exterminatus data sheet, would probably look like this;

Exterminatus
Cost: The same as the opposing army.
Rules: At the beginning of the =I= player's 1st turn all enemy units and the table and terrain are destroyed.
The =I= player instantly wins as his army is safely aboard their ship, making great speed to find a new planet to blow up.

Gotta love the Inquisition :evilgrin:

RG

Turn 2: Reserves deploy via deep strike/ drop pod, =I= player loses :P

Railgunner
20-09-2007, 19:54
Turn 2: Reserves deploy via deep strike/ drop pod, =I= player loses :P

But there is no table left :p

RG

Scythe
21-09-2007, 08:00
Well, put it like this. Get your 3000 points apocalypse list and see how many shots it gets. Multiply tjis by six turns. Can you kill all 800+ grots?

In fact, my Nids and Guard can... 800 shots over a 6 turn game is easily achievable for me there. :D

But there's no need. A few pie plates and leadership tests are all you need. :p

But there is no table left

RG

Of course there is. it is only located a few feet lower (just hope they made adjustments for that when you teleport). ;)

BattleofLund
21-09-2007, 08:13
I love grotliness, but would need more than basic inf to keep my attention: gunwagons, transports, assault grots (with jump- or jet packs!), artillery, field artists, really big guns ramble ramble ramble...:)

shin'keiro
21-09-2007, 09:02
Would all those grots even fit on a normal 4 by 4 table?

what have you been playing? Combat patrol?

A normal board is 6 x 4!

An normal Apoc board is 8 x 5

Railgunner
21-09-2007, 09:16
what have you been playing? Combat patrol?

A normal board is 6 x 4!

An normal Apoc board is 8 x 5

You have to remember that most GW stores only have 4x4 boards ;)

RG

IJW
21-09-2007, 09:31
You have to remember that most GW stores only have 4x4 boards ;)
They do?!? My local has a load of 6x4's and a 12x4'.

Griefbringer
21-09-2007, 09:36
Exterminatus
Cost: The same as the opposing army.
Rules: At the beginning of the =I= player's 1st turn all enemy units and the table and terrain are destroyed.
The =I= player instantly wins as his army is safely aboard their ship, making great speed to find a new planet to blow up.

I would lower the cost a bit (so you can also field a huge IG conscript force or such).

Also, perhaps it should not be accessible on turn 1, but you should instead roll on successive turns to see when the =I= gets ready to blow up the place. Of course it should destroy all the units regardless of the side.

Also, the insta-win rule is a bit over-powered, I would instead go for declaring it as a draw (there not being anything left to fight over), though you could also go by the "sour grapes" approach and declare both sides as having lost. :evilgrin: