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23-09-2007, 21:40
Hi there,

Here are the pictures of my first Pre Heresy / Heresy World Eaters. Actually, they're my first attempts at converting Space Marines (learned to love the plastic...) and making pictures of them for the internet, so I'm thankful for every kind of comment and advice, regardless if it's concerning the fluff behind them, models, or the pics. Especially since I'm quite a sculpting, conversion, and general 40k noob. ;)
I imagine this to be my first long-term project, and I hope I'll manage to keep my motivation up to finish 500 points of them, and maybe 1000 afterwards.

So here we go:

Tactical Squad "Arrgoth", 3rd Gladiator Company, World Eaters Chapter





What's next:
- Brother-Sergeant Brutus (for the Imperator Astartes Victorum competition of the pre-heresy forums. (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Pre_Heresy/index.php))
- Scouts
- First Paintjobs

Hope you like. Stay tuned!

23-09-2007, 21:51
Lookin pretty smooth so far buddy. I'd highly reccomend Synapse's plog for some hardcore, pre-heresy, world-eater action :)

23-09-2007, 22:03
Looking good so far. Some nice GS work there. Will be nice to see these painted

24-09-2007, 10:04
Thank you... yeah, I'm a dedicated reader of Synapse's blog. Absolutely awesome. Lets me feel quite... small and humble. ;)

The vet sergeant is coming along nicely, but no pics yet. My Scouts arrived this morning, but I haven't yet decided how to use them. In the meantime, a dreadnaught-related question (I already posted at another forum)... need some more opinions about that. It's about pre-heresy Space Marine Dreadnaughts.

As far as I can see, the horus heresy CCG Art depicts dreadnaughts similar to the rouge trader ones: clumsy humanoid constructions. The other type of PH dread I frequently see on the net ist very similar to today's venerable dreadnought by GW.
Now, I don't like any of these very much. A rouge trader dread is hard to come by and imho kinda ugly, and a modified venerable dreadnought is too expensive and too much of a standard solution for me. Then, some days ago, I've found a box of old space crusade (called starquest where I come from) miniatures in my basement, and immediatly fell in love with the dreadnaught. Some pictures:


I have to admit, I just love this design. Looks similar to the law enforcement robot from robocop, and has a kind of... gigeresque quality to it. Plus, it doesn't look -too- chaos-tainted...
So, my question would be, what is your opinion regarding the usage of this miniature as a basis for a PH world eaters dreadnaught? I intend to make it bulkier (by pointing the chassis down, making the weapons more horizontal), add more details, and a big back banner. Of course, this bad boy will get a round 40k-base. I'm particularly interested in your thoughts towards the "historical accuracy" and style. Being the representation of a kind of chaos dreadnaught (the epic space marine game chaos cybots had the same style, I believe), I don't think that it would be far-fetched to say that this dreadnaught design was around before heresy... or at least, I don't believe that the traitor legions completely restyled these things after their betryal.

What do you think?

24-09-2007, 20:39
Apart from that (still hope to get some opinions concerning the usage of this dreadnought model, tho), for your viewing convenience, here's a group picture.


25-09-2007, 09:14
No paintjob update yet... I'll wait until I'm really happy with my test model. Don't really like to push this thread myself, but oh my, if progress is made, progress will be documented. Still hope you like, and I'd appreciate any comment.

[5.] Brother-Sergeant Brutus of the World Eaters, 3rd Gladiator Company, Veteran of the Great Crusade, leader of squad "Arrgoth".


Being a proud and renowned warrior from the days of the great crusade, brother-sergeant Brutus was one of the first World Eaters receiving experimental versions of implants similar to the ones of his primarch Angron. Fierce and merciless towards his enemies, he always had managed to keep himself a certain degree of humanity and honor. But because of the instability of the prototype enhancements implanted into his head, an inner conflict drove him into a dangerous kind of schizophrenia. For decades, the thirst for blood and slaughter on one side, his discipline and humanity on the other, fought for his soul- making him a dangerously unpredictable personality, sometimes honorful and focused, sometimes going berserk like a madman.
At the end of a long and seemingly unstoppable descent into madness, he met his fate at Isstvan V, where he finally ripped the implant of his traitor primarch out of his head, inflicting himself a deadly wound. Nevertheless, he fought his traitor brothers with righteous and superhuman rage, praising the emperor until his bloody end between the chain axes of his former comrades, finding peace and salvation for eternity.

He's the veteran sarge for my first squad. I went for some serious iron armour / retro roman / great crusade -look while trying to make it not too painfully obvious and different. Furthermore, I decided to give all the helmetless Marines really long, greasy, hardcore 80's metal band hair. I hope it makes them look even more savage, brutal, own-minded and as if they wouldn't really give a damn about body hygiene. You know, like metal bands from the eighties. ;)

Here's the first group picture of an actual ("playable") squad.


On a different note, my old scouts arrived today... looking great, love the models, pictures will follow.

25-09-2007, 21:35
[5.] Brother-Sergeant Brutus...snip...leader of squad "Arrgoth".

Sounds like a cross between a pirate and someone who likes to wear white make-up and paint their nails black ;). Looking good though!

floyd pinkerton
25-09-2007, 21:40
looking great up to now mate, keep it up!

25-09-2007, 22:19
lookin awesome. keep going.

25-09-2007, 22:36
Looking pretty smooth mate, I really like the gladiatorial aspect you've got goingon, especially the captain's breastplate. Now get em painted!

25-09-2007, 22:38
Nice! They have a seriously brutal look to them and I agree with Aflo they have a nice gladitorial feel to them.
I really like what you've done with the back pack vetns and the use of additional plates. :)

Robot 2000
25-09-2007, 23:02
the use of all the extra armour is very cool, makes them look a bit meaner and clunkier than regular space marines :evilgrin:

I also think the dreadnought is a cool idea, although I'm not such a fan of the old style weapons, the general body shape is very nice :)

25-09-2007, 23:35
Thank you all for these very encouraging comments, it all perfectly helps me through my current ordeal to find my personal way of painting white armour. ;) On a serious note, I was already kinda worried if I'd have to bump my own thread for the rest of my life, because everybody else seemed to get responses for their topics, and I didn't.
I guess it's because I'm really starting to love this project and having much fun with it... obviously, these two days were no reason to panic, but it's kinda intimidating at the beginning how... active and productive this community is. I'm just not used to message boards of this size, and the possibility to descend to page 3 within an hour or so. :D

Nethertheless, my motivation to make a whole playable army of this project (that started as a kind of just-for-fun conversion exercise) almost exploded in the meantime, so I've started painting, almost collected all neccessary bits to add 5 more Marines to squad Arrgoth and worked out a plan for a dreadnought conversion based on the chassis above. Now I just need to get my hands on that camera again, to present you pictures of all the things I mentioned, plus my retro-squad of scouts.

Again, thanks a lot for commenting!

charlie_c67: You're talking about Captain Jack Sparrow, right? :p

26-09-2007, 00:35
Was thinking more Steve the pirate....;)

28-09-2007, 21:20
So, I finished up my Dreadnought conversion yesterday night. The good news: I like the result. The bad news: Probably won't get a camera into my hands until Sunday evening. That's a pity, but, oh well. Still, I've got an other lifesign for you: My first army list. Apart from some bits I already ordered, which should arrive in a matter of days, I've got all the neccessary miniatures ready for conversion and/or painting, except for the captain- gotta think of something special for him, and start ordering bits then. So, here it is, the army whose creation you are about to witness in this humble little blog.


World Eaters Legion, 3rd Gladiator Company, Rapid Intrusion Force / Terror Squad Codex Space Marines, 500 Pts.

Trait: Fierce
No mercy, no respite / Take the fight to them / Eye to eye

HQ1: Captain (60); Power Weapon (15); Plasma pistol (15)
90 Pts.

TR1: Tactical Squad (-5-, 75); Bolt Pistols & CC weapons; Furious Assault (15); Sarge with Terminator Honors (15), Plasma Pistol (10), Powerfist (15)
130 Pts.

TR2: Tactical Squad (-5-, 75); Bolt Pistols & CC weapons; Furious Assault (15); Plasma Gun (10)
100 Pts.

TR3: Scout Squad (-5-, 65); Bolt Pistols & CC weapons
65 Pts.

EL1: Dreadnought (105), CC weapon / stormbolter; multi-melta (10)
115 Pts.

28-09-2007, 22:53
these are coming along really nicely. I can't wait until sunday to see your dread.

29-09-2007, 11:39
So, my question would be, what is your opinion regarding the usage of this miniature as a basis for a PH world eaters dreadnaught? I intend to make it bulkier (by pointing the chassis down, making the weapons more horizontal), add more details, and a big back banner. Of course, this bad boy will get a round 40k-base. I'm particularly interested in your thoughts towards the "historical accuracy" and style. Being the representation of a kind of chaos dreadnaught (the epic space marine game chaos cybots had the same style, I believe), I don't think that it would be far-fetched to say that this dreadnaught design was around before heresy... or at least, I don't believe that the traitor legions completely restyled these things after their betryal.

What do you think?

deffinately, use the SC dread - I love it!

and the exhaust vents are really cool on the models!

29-09-2007, 11:52
crandall87: Thanks, I hope you'll like it. :)

Synapse: Thank you for your input- it's an honor to have encouraging comments by the two outstanding pre-heresy truescale marine sculptors, who gave me lots of insopiration, in my very own little thread. ;) I'm a great admirer of your and doghouse's work.

30-09-2007, 20:31
Dreadnought pictures I promised, and dreadnought pictures you shall recieve. ;-)

World Eaters Dreadnought, MK1 pattern
Basically, I used the chassis of the old Space crusade dreadnought. Why I did so is already explained earlier in this thread, for further information on my opinion towards the design you can also check out this little thread (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Pre_Heresy/index.php?showtopic=1432) in the pre-heresy forums. I gathered some evidence for the case of the design in there.

Long story short: I ripped apart an entire Sentinel (arms and engine exhaust), scratch-built the meanest cybot power fist I could imagine (Quartered space marine shoulderpads. Searchlight. Old imperial vehicle accessory sprue blades), made him bigger whereever I could, filled the gaps, and tried to make his armement as flexible as I could to cover all codex options. Models for an assault cannon, a rocket launcher (arm-mounted) and the multi-melta were also provided by the space crusade kit, the sync'd Lascan is a conversion using two multilasers for scale purposes (didn't want it to be bigger than the other guns). In the end, an ogre nations "fleshy" Banner was added. After maybe something around 8 hours of work, this is his current state... just check the original SC dread pictures above on this page to see how this wee little fellah changed.


Example for the standard codex configuration, assault cannon and close combat weapon


Example for a "shooty" combination, rocket launcher and sync lascan


Example for a completely nutty apocalypse-esque configuration with as many mean weapons attached to him as possible


Hope you like so far! Some opionions, criticism and hints would be much-appreciated. Furthermore, I still need a kickass name for him... any suggestions?

30-09-2007, 22:18
wow! :O

plz paint the dread soon :D

01-10-2007, 16:05
zealot! & plague man: Thanks for the encouragement. Looks like I'm gonna start painting as soon as I have my 500 pts converted and assebled, so we're merely 4 marines away. More pics to follow. :)

03-10-2007, 12:54
Due to popular demand, here's some pathetic progress on the paintjob of my test miniature I'm working on while converting my 500 pts. ;)


03-10-2007, 13:45
It's looking good mate, I like the symbol on the plate, very nice work! :)

05-10-2007, 02:54
I agree! Nice Freehand! It looks like you have the right idea for colors and conversions, lets see some more paint!!!

05-10-2007, 13:10
Thank you very much for the encouragement, doghouse & toyship. :) With a little bit of luck, there will be a picture update tonight- keep your fingers crossed, I'll do my best.

05-10-2007, 19:52
Rather small update, it hasa been a very busy week. Nethertheless, here's some more paintjob tesing- still far from finished, but I think it's work looking at, anyway. I've been experimenting a lot with gore effects and tried something mure subtle, similar to synapse's beautiful truescale blood splatters. I'm starting to like how it turns out, but it definitly needs some shiney varnish at the end. The armor is heavily WIP, it needs more detail work- I've been quite sloppy applying the white areas.


Next, here are the long-promised oldschool scouts. I bought these six on ebay, got quite a sweet deal on them.


Besides me absolutely loving really old models, I think they aged quite well and are suitable for my PH World Eaters. They have a savage, retro, close-combaty look to them. I even consider not converting them at all... Okay, one of them is armed with a shuriken catapult, but I'll use just the five of them, anyway. Maybe I'll convert him with an old SC rocket launcher, a heavy bolter, or something, one day.

So much for now.

06-10-2007, 09:02
Wow, gotta love those old school minis.

07-10-2007, 21:06
Sort of an Update...

It's still a very busy time, and it won't get better. Less working, more studying, since the semester has begun. My WEs will still have a very special place in my heart and my time schedule, but there's another problem: Being back home in Munich, The camera I've taken the pictures with is 300 km away, and my own could't take proper miniature closeups zo save its live.
Okay, it's time to get a proper digital camera anyway- but the questions are: which one and when. I need some help with both, because these are linked factors. I need a kind of a minimum-budget solution, the cheapest one to get proper result with. Any recommedations? The 'when'-question depends on when I recieve the pay for the last 6 weeks of work... let's see. Regular picture updates will resume as soon as that happened.

Okay, that was the personal, all-talky part. Now, here's some real update:


Some character I'm currently working on, haven't yet decided what to make out of him, maybe even a captain for my 500 Pts force. Saw this spray-primed, tin veteran, an oldschool model with bionics, in the bits box of my good buddy Alex the other day. And I couldn't resist asking him if he still needs this one- turned out that he was willing to hand him over to me, so that this old guy sees some converting, painting and battlefield action after all. It may be just the right time to thank his former owner, by the way- Without his advice, our regular "modeling, philosophy and beer"-sessions and all the bits he donated for this project would only look half as good, or maybe even less. I hope that my donations for his Zoat conversion were anywhere as helpful as his... and that he gets some pictures of them, soon.

There's another one: A tactical assault marine, the first of the next batch of 5. I wanted to have one in a static pose after converting all these rather dynamic guys, but I also went for a kind of theme with him- I wanted to show that it takes more then unusal thirst for blood and violence and a easily manipulable, disappointed primarch for a whole legion to turn traitor. That murder wasn't their only sin.


His sins were pride and arrogance.

On one last note, there's also another buddy of mine who gave up the hobby some day and provided me with a whole space marine command squad sprue, a salamdanders-painted assault squad, some veteran models I found quite fitting and will convert to fill out different roles, and a terminator chaplain. (because of the kick-ass skull-like helmet.) I've got evil plans with these, and I'm already collecting the bits. But in the meantime- thanks a lot for the sweet deal, Heinrich.


That's the raw material... You won't recognize them easily once I'm done with them, that's for sure. But first, I'll have to focus on getting a camera and the 500 pts army painted.

So much for now.

08-10-2007, 10:06
wicked sick gotta love your dreads :)

09-10-2007, 23:53
Yay! Good news!

Found out that one of my roommates (do you call them roommates in english if you live in a flat-sharing community?) has got a rarely used kickass canon digital camera... that thing is just crazy, I didn't even manage to set up a good place to make the pics, but the result didn't even need photoshop editing. Just plain perfect!

So, thanks to Robert, I can present you...


Brother-Marine Goral, 3rd Gladiator Company, Tactical Assault Squad "Secutor"

Earning the reputition of one of the most efficent close combat fighters of the third gladiator company, brother-marine Goral became well-known for a terrific bodycount resulting in a surprisingly small skull collection. The reason for this unusual thing to happen was his savage, relentless style of combat, mostly smashing his chain axe into the heads of his victims right through their defence- damaging the potential trophies beyond recognition, and often just blowing them to pieces.
Fed up of the tease of his brothers, one day, he started taking the right hands of his more worthly enemies as trophies instead of their heads... ending all doubts about his killcount forever.


10-10-2007, 00:06
love the over the sholder pose
I may have to borrow that one.

10-10-2007, 01:16
I like the dreadnought lascannon. It looks sort of ad-hoc and chop-shopped like most pre-heresy vehicles. The claw is just awesome though. Make sure you paint it like it was using the claw to eat a swimming pool full of cherry cobbler (so covered in something red and splattery)

10-10-2007, 15:35
Esinhorn: Feel free, hope we see the result soon.

Triggerdog: Thank you, that's exactly what I intend to do. >:)

14-10-2007, 14:49
I am loving that dread and your character models look very dynamic. I love the bloe on your test mini. Thats some good highlighting.

15-10-2007, 13:27
Thanks for commenting, I really appreciate it, glad you like them. :)

16-10-2007, 12:25
Kinda good news for people who like bad news- well, not really bad for me, but bad for my World Eaters, on the short term. After finding an affordable flat that's worth anything in the centre of Munich (nothing short of a miracle in this town), my girl and I are finally moving together. Now it's gonna all be over in the course of the next 2-4 weeks (at least I hope so, because I've cancelled my current room towards the 1st of November), but still, there won't be any love left for my Marines in the meantime. Expect a massive comeback in something around a month and a week, though. And I just may be able to finish up Sergeant Brutus (Yes, his paintjob) this week, but I can't promise anything. ;) Except that I'll be back, because I learned to love bloggin' my wee, bloodthirsty little toy soldiers.

As for now, see ya all later.

13-11-2007, 15:37
Got settled. Started painting again.

So, as I can't post pics of Brutus yet due to a contest, here's a WIP shot of some marines... Tried to do some speed painting on them because I'm SO much more motivated to convert at the moment and don't really enjoy painting too much. Now I tried to be really fast on these, but that's still around 3-4 hours of work, and they're not finished. Oh well, my first "playable" squad of 5 will be finished once they're done, hope to get some motivation out of it.


14-11-2007, 07:19
Looking good. I would like to see them with their bases flocked and everything. Can't wait to see more.

15-11-2007, 14:48
Thank you, Honorius, glad you like them. Hope to get them finished and based today... weapons and highlights still need work.

16-11-2007, 12:31
Got 'em. Around 6 hours of work is still miserable for something I wanted to pull of as a quick paintjob... I've got to practice this. There will be some final touch-ups and legion symbols in the future, of course (especially on the gutplate of Mr. Metal)- as soon as my hands stop shaking like a girl's best friend. All this moving, earning money, studying and swordsmanship training really wrecks my nerves.

PS- Sarge Brutus is still blurred because of said contest, but voting should start on the 17th, so there will be pics in no time.


16-11-2007, 12:36
That fella on the left looks brutal, good stuff.

18-11-2007, 12:43
Here's the Link to the contest. (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Pre_Heresy/index.php?showtopic=1721&st=0&#last)


19-11-2007, 00:46
Quick update on my current plans for further models:

- painting 5 scouts. They're already primed, inked and ready for the detail work.
- 5 more members for the tactical squad- 3 of them ready for painting.
- Terminators! Got the raw materials ready, expect some heavy converting.


(There's a nice little story behind them... While visiting a convention where we promoted the sci-fi roleplaying game I'm illustrating for (and between gamemastering 6 games in one and a half days... :rolleyes:), I've met a retailer who is about to clean up his storage from all GW stuff... he sold it for 30% off, and gave me 50% after I've kept his kids busy (they took part in two of my games) and waited until the very end (the point when he realized he sold virtually nothing, due to the convention being mainly by pure roleplayers and GW-hateboys). So I grabbed these terminators and a box of berzerkers.)

Then, there are plans for the near future, including an assault squad (models ready for stripping, cutting and converting), Jetbikes (already got the basic third party models, just need much more converting ideas), berzerkers (death company rules, gladiator-style), a command squad (models ready), heavily converted devastators, legio cybernetica droids, a tech priest with servitors (as a devestator squad count-as)... and there's a dreadnought to be painted.

So many ideas, so little time.

20-11-2007, 10:18
*watches the tumbleweeds pass by...*

Quick WIP update on the scouts... here's a pic:


Learned to love these models: Savage, blunt and all-retro. They'll serve me well.

20-11-2007, 10:41
Looking good so far
i love the old SC dread, and the old SC models in general. i still have them kicking around in my wardrobe somewhere to
and the old Advanced space crusade tyranids and scouts xD

20-11-2007, 11:17
Loving the dread conversion!

21-11-2007, 18:43
Gotta love this World Eaters... Earlier, as we both sit down, takin' our booze and talking about this project, I barely could imagine how it turns out. And now this fellas! You dumped my expactations and on top, you dropped this urge of... more! I demand a painted dread! Ok, enough brown-nosed, so:
What happened to the Scout with the shuriken-catapult?
Last time I counted six of them...

In need of some bitz? Got my number :D

21-11-2007, 19:27
@Abyss & Daemon: Thank you, guys. :)

@Duck: Glad you still like them, thanks for posting- gotta love the beer & converting-sessions, I'm in dire need of more of them to get the creative and philosophical juices flowing. :D

Shuriken catapult guy is retired until I get my hands on four more of them to make a ten-men-squad- still not sure what to make out of him without ruining the wonderfully oldschool model... So in the moment, he has to live with a honor place in my collection.

In the bits bucket.

On a not-so-different note: Scouts finished! (Pic kinda blurry, the faces are more detailed.)


22-11-2007, 10:30
Workspace pics! I use both for painting and converting, but I prefer to sit at the living room table because I like to watch TV and hang out with my girl while working on my army. Well, whenever it's not exactly covered by the remnants of a party, like it is at the moment.


The next batch is also underway, part 2 of Tac Assault Squad Secutor. Sorry for the fact that I don't have the muse to do proper pics at the moment, but they're rough and unprimed anyway. I guess there will be the usual "hard to judge your stuff when it's unpainted" comments, but remember that the other guys from the squad looked the same way before. Well, it seems that I finally got a real motivation to paint on, having finished two squads (or one and a half), because of the contest at PH forums, and having discovered several great hobby stores (just days ago I realized that my local GW store is just 20 minutes away) to game there.


And, yeah, there's a heavily converted RT marine among them. I know that he isn't exactly PH, and some people won't like him, but he lingered around my bits box for ages, and I was yearning to give him a worthly existence sind I got this single half miniature ages ago (something around 8 years). So here he is, and I love this guy. Expect some heavy justification fluff. (Parts: RT Marine, CSM backpack, bionic plastik necron leg from space crusade, normal marine leg, dark eldar head, small chainsword from a chronopia mini, gladiator-style-shoulderpad-arm from void junkers.)

22-11-2007, 21:09
Does your flat still looks like that? Sorry, I should have cleaned up a little bit more :eyebrows:

Awww... nicely! "Brutus! Stop bothering our neophytes and get over here!"
It seems you've managed to use your study-breaks quite well. Guess what?
I adore those two retired marines: The idea of those old-school khorne berzerkers you showed in one of the wd's makes itself manifest in that crumpy ol' SC marine, gladiator like (but just not so barefoot, thankfully). Also I guess, my primed wannabe-blood angel looks far better that way. If you wanna convert your captain, you'll have to take a model more intimidating (and more "you're my next trophy!"-like).

Wait... Those spikes on that left guy's shoulderpad. Don't you think that's way too chaotic? Maybe I'll have to look at it full, but I suggest it doesn't fit in that much. Love the pose anyway.
Enough grumbling, good work, keep it up!

Best wishes,
your Pal

22-11-2007, 22:08
Wow, this certainly hasn't got the attention it deserves - I love (almost) everything here! That "proud" marine is brilliant, are those Space Crusade legs? And I really like the old scouts, very characterful.

The only thing I'm not so keen on is the dred, I think the position of the weapon arms is throwing it off for me. Otherwise great work, and please keep it up - don't stop posting :D

22-11-2007, 22:58
Nice use of older models, they have loads of character. What head did you use for brutus, hes cool.

22-11-2007, 23:46
what are those little plastic armour pieces(used on brutus' chest and other models groins) and where do you get them?

23-11-2007, 02:31
@Duck: Not anymore, I cleaned up today- don't bother, mate, you did more then enough. :) Concerning the spikes, let's see how they turn out. At the moment, I like them, but I can cut them off any time, even after painting.

@others: Thanks a lot... Brutus' head is from the space wolves sprue, with green stuffed hair. And the plastic armour plates are from an old whfb skeleton sprue, they werde additional/optional armour.

On a different note... Couldn't... resist...


24-11-2007, 19:27
You know what time it is?

Terminator time.


(Still WIP, though. :) )

24-11-2007, 19:43
That Terminator is looking awsome! are you going to have a full squad of them like this? good job on the scouts, I never realised how good those old models could look till you painted them

24-11-2007, 19:56
I think the right hand should be the other way around and the bade on the other end, it would be more a fighting stance, now it looks like he wants to clean the floor.

24-11-2007, 19:59
What parts did you use for the shoulderpads of that Terminator?

24-11-2007, 21:38
Faschinating work, I really like the Sergeant Brutus especially what you have done to his hair and chestpiece.

I am not so found about the dread thought. I think it got abit to much things on it, but that is what I think otherwise great work on the rest!

24-11-2007, 23:13
@Honorius: Thanks, glad you like. :) There will be four of them armed this way, led by a Sergeant with a double-bladed poweraxe and the combi-bolter in his other hand. Yeah, the scouts have aged very, very well. Learned to love the models, and it was a nice change painting them.

@Grobrotz: I know what you mean, and I'll keep it in mind while converting the others. But for this one, I'll keep it the way it is- I like his stance, actually, as if he was mopping the floor with a downed enemy.

@malika: Cryx Bane Thrall Shoulders from Warmachine. It hurt to cut apart these great models again, but the result is well worth it.

@Raion: Thanks a lot... yeah, the dread is a case of love it or loathe it. Let's see how he turns out when painted.

25-11-2007, 19:02
Let's see... Hands of a khorne berzerker, sentinel chain weapon (you ain't got that much for five, do ya?), cryx shoulderpads, "duct taped" bolters (aquila flattened, good to see), a pony tail... Well, I'm not fine with it. Maybe I've got to take a look on it full but something's wrong.
The grim expression (due to the pose of the helmet) and the moving impression are ok, but this chain-glaive seems to be too fragile, like he could break it in a moment of "what you said?! *krunch*". Maybe it's a bit too unnerving but is there any way to make it more bulkier?
Aww, and there was that wish: Please paint the dread soon!

Best wishes, Your Pal


26-11-2007, 16:24
Might be one of those rare occasions where we disagree, mate. ;) I did several tests with thicker poles (GSing more meat on them is not much of a problem), but liked this one the best- maybe you'll like it more when you see it in real and painted. At least, I hope so, with you being kind of the godfather of my army. (In a completely non-mafioso, familiar way.) Concerning the chain weapons, I've got two of them, but there are plenty of alternatives which look quite similar, don't worry.
The Khorne berzerker arms were subject to discussion over at ph-forums, and now that I see them, I'm quite convinced that these turned out okay. I just find it quite fitting that they have less-heavily armored arms and hands if they try to wield chainglaives as this guy does. Gotta keep some agility.



WIP shot of terminator sarge with the assault marines I'm painting right now.

Some people will call his collar plate /the one with the teeth) too orky... but I like it a loot, and the teeth motive is a very prominent part of the World Eaters symbol, so it's there to stay. :)

26-11-2007, 16:41
loving that chain pike/epar thingy on the right terminator - excelent pose.
i might ahve to steal that one :p

and i like the collar plate (gorget?) though maybe if it was a bit smaller and subtle it would be cooler, though i think its certainly in keepign with the WE background. they started out as gladiators, so know the value of intimidating wargear!

28-11-2007, 11:14
Hehe, the dread looks somewhat awesome :D

29-11-2007, 08:49
Glad to see you back in my thread, Synapse. Hope you upload some more truescale WE pics soon, they're a great source of inspiration. :) Good to see that you like, I'm especially fond of my terminators, although the conversions are far from perfect. And thanks, Ridicule. This one was an eyecatcher in the store. Speaking of the store...


So, I've had a little battle this tuesday. 500 pts, nothing spectacular, loads of fun, though. My IG opponent managed to reduce my squad inside the objective to 2 men and a character, and charged in with a sentinel, winning the game, but I don't mind- having held off a sentinel (crippled) and a plasma-loaded ten-man-veteran squad (obligerated) for the whole game, the scouts are the heroes of the game, with the dreadnought keeping up well (shredding 2 storm trooper squads to pieces), with my 5-man-tacsquads (bolt pistol & chainsword) and my terminator captain being basically useless because by the time they stormed the objective, there was nothing to fight in close combat anymore. After that, it was two turns of crossfire from three sentinels and a bunch of heavy weapons and plasma guns from the building.


Great fun, great reactions to my conversions in the store, and it felt good to see the boys marching on the battlefield, although they're still unfinished.

Speaking of unfinished- four terminators done, one to go. :)

29-11-2007, 22:03
Due to some requests, here's a Link (http://store.privateerpress.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=6825) to the Rackham Store page where they sell the Cryx Bane Thrall Shoulderpads I'm using for my Terminators, thanks to Pre-Heresy Forum's Vredesbyrd.

In the meantime, here are some better Terminator Sgt. Pics... pictures of the whole squad will be up in approximatly 10 hours. ;) They're not quite done yet.


29-11-2007, 23:17
Those ork gobs look sweet, ill have to remember that.

30-11-2007, 03:38
Nice, really been enjoying your take on this!

30-11-2007, 09:45
Thank you.

So, the Terminators are finished up. It'll take some time until they see some paint, though. You already know Terminator 1 and the Sergeant from past posts, so here's the whole squad:


Terminator 2:


Terminator 3:


Terminator 4, aka "Big F-ing Reaper Autocannon Guy":


Next milestones: Get 5 more tac assault Marines finished (they're nearly done), paint the dreadnought (that'll be fun), convert 10 fire support tactical Marines with Bolter & chain bayonett, including:

1 x Sergeant – MK1“Thunder Suit“
1 x Heavy Gunner – MK3 “Iron Armour”
2 x Marines – MK2 “Crusade Armour”
3 x Marines – MK4 “Maximus Suit”
2 x Marines – MK5 “Heresy”

Yes, I've got the feeling that I got quite sloppy on armour types on the last squad, so I'll try to put some work into 'pseudo-historical accuracy' into them. Also, they'll most likely get My assault squad plasma gunner, so I'll need a preplacement assault marine for him.

30-11-2007, 17:33
Damn, that Termie squad is looking great, I absolutely LOVE the power glaives!

30-11-2007, 19:04
Thanks a lot, I'm glad you like them, Battle-Brother. ;)

01-12-2007, 17:06
Yay! Our local GW store sold out its bits box today, and as expected, I stayed there for almost 2 hours, picking out whatever I might need from this massive crate. The breakdown:


I'm a very happy little converter now.

02-12-2007, 08:55
nice buy! and i love the chain poles on the termies, very cool and elite looking!

02-12-2007, 09:38
I'd love to see those termies painted eh, it's a little difficult to come up with that 10/10 score, (it's hovering around that 9.999999/10 mark lol).


02-12-2007, 12:19
Agh, I want a local sellout of bit-boxes as well! :S

vampires are cool!
02-12-2007, 12:31
Wow. Great stuff.

02-12-2007, 13:30
I have to get me some of those shoulder pads for the termies. Your army is looking great at the moment

03-12-2007, 12:37
Thank you all. :)

No real progress except some minimal jobs on the second batch of 5 assault marines... Studying bites my ass at the moment. But I've set my finished work up as an army to get a more complete picture of how far I came until now, and got some motivation out of it. Thought you'd probably enjoy it, too.


Next painting milestones are still the 5 tacticals and the dread. In terms of converting, a jump pack command squad, 10 Bolter Marines, and 5 frenzied berzerkers ("Immortals", as I'll call them fluff-wise) are the next steps, so that I'll have a well playable army by then. The paintjob of the Terminators ("Praetorians") will have to wait, I want to do them justice after all, but I'm really looking forward to this one.

03-12-2007, 23:13
The result of some late-night converting fun: Venerable Gladiator Champion Proximo, my Company Champion count-as for the command squad, named after Oliver Reed's great movie character (rather based on his younger years). Also, my PH jumppack prototype- the upper exhausts seem a little malformed (came out while drying), I'll might put some more work into them... or just decide that it's nothing a good paintjob can't fix.

Just imagine him striking down from above, legionnaire shield first, wreaking havoc among his victims with his superior swordsman skills and sheer brutality...


Note that he's the only model in my army using a powersword for style reasons, and as far as I'm concerned, he'll stay the only one.

Brother Handro
03-12-2007, 23:16
Hey what a genius way of using normal jumpacks as PH ones! Nice!

04-12-2007, 08:50
Thanks, Brother... In the end, it's very simple. Just turned around one of the new jumppacks (bottom up), GSed the exhausts which are now above, and cut off the intakes. (easy as hell, as the jump pack is hollow inside)

I'm not really the first who got the idea, right? It's just too easy. ;)

05-12-2007, 18:15
My World Eaters saw some action today at the local store, and boy, they royally kicked some loyalist butts... three games (2 of 750 pts against Dark Angels, one league game of 500 pts against Ultramarines), one draw, one close victory, and the total slaughter of that kid's Ultras. It's simply awesome how effective and lucky those scouts are... in the first game, they chopped three Bikes after redirecting their advance through occupation of terrain, and survived alongside with my captain to follow him into the final charge, wiping two more aussault marines. In the second, they overrun a small tactical squad and took an objective, again with minimal casualties, and in the third, they slaughtered two small tactical squads in some hardcore cityfight action and secured the opponent's dropzone.
In the 750 pts games, I just had to try out my terminators, four of them following my captain (sergeant model)... they appeared in the second turn of one game, taking heavy fire, and soon, only my Captain was left- But in the second game, they turned the tide in turn four, wrecking a Ravenwing squad plus Trike after some ranged casualties inflicted on the assault squad, and taking an objective marker.
My Ten man tactical squad with CCWs and furious charge disappointed during the first two games, both times being charged by assault marines led by a chaplain, although they did inflict some damage- but they took revenge on the virtaully same squad in the game against the Ultras, charging into battle and tearing them to pieces, also taking the loyalist's deployment zone. Good times!

So, in the end, it was time for a little reward- Couldn't resist as it was 30% off, and as I can very well use all of the models.


I wanted a rhino and bikes anyway, the standard CSMs will serve me well in converting my Devastators and Assault Squad, and I can't get enough khorne berzerker bits for conversions all around my army, so it was some well-spent money.

05-12-2007, 18:48
Hey, nice loot you got! :D
Awesome, just awesome. Excuse my first doubts on those termies, it's so damn right the way their "glaives" are, as I see them in a group-shot.
Did you too notice the power of a close combat weapon and a boltpisol? Awww, seems your well aged boyscouts kicked some plastic-marine's butt pretty well!
Sigismund would be proud of his champion-fella, nice work on that one, too. Although the shield seems a bit oversized (not that bad, I got this picture of him crushing down from the heavens, slaying the first one daring to stand in his "deployment zone" and taking cover from the answer of his crash behind it) and that the ankle of the boltpistol is not the best for guarding/firing, you know. You already told me about your idea, using those jumppacks upside down: And it looks great!

11-12-2007, 12:12
Thanks again! :D
Glad you're sticking around, mate- and that you like them now. I very well know that my work is not everybody's pair of shoes, but I really hope that it's at least yours, considering the amount of support I've gotten from you. I'm heavily looking forward to our Imperial Palace brawl next year!
Let's see if I put some more work into my champion after finishing the squad, it's all a matter of motivation, although I'm afraid I won't find any other stable ways to attach that shield to his forearm.

Small update: I'm trying to work on my GS skills, as I suck at it and sticked to simple projects until now... this one's not too complex either, but after having so many fitting bits and being too lazy to sculpt anything on myself for a long time, I have to get into it again. This one's gona be my jumppack apothecarion.


Tried to imitate the look of the face mask one of my scouts has hanging on his belt- it's not great, but it's mine.

Also: Cats. Nivit (the darker one) and River. They're ours since the weekend, and I can't spend a night without having nightmares of them playing with my miniatures, at the moment... But I love cats, and now I have a good motivation to always keep my army sealed in boxes.


11-12-2007, 19:52
Naaaw, cute. River... Serenity? Seriously: They wouldn't be able to play with your minis for they lack the thumbs for throwing the dice :p I'm looking forward to get mauled by them while sleeping in your kitchen again!
/me would be pleased to fight that battle at the gates of terra! Although it'll be a little bit odd you playing with my BA-rules and I using the standard codex-rules. "Death Company! Back in your foam, our primarch has not died, yet!" Interesting...

Nicely GSed, even if it's a bit too blurry to judge it full.
As I see, you're eager to build an honor guard with jumppacks, as written in the new BA-codex: Don't waste any close combat weapon for marines with meltas or flamers, this squad has to cut a dash in close combat. For anything else, use the veteran assault squad-entry. *veteran BA mumbling*

Proceed! Your Pal, DeadEyeDuck

15-12-2007, 01:46
Good job, it is indeed a Serenity/Firefly reference.
Yeah, it's gonna rule. ;) Don't worry, my commando guys will be all close-combaty, as it should be.

Update time- it's my future command squad, still very WIP (the jumppack exhausts will be all redone), but I think you get the idea. :)


16-12-2007, 19:57
Hm....mhm....oh, yes... oh... A "Clawy-One"! That'll be funny with my BA-Lightning Claw-Captain-Jumppack-Guy! Where's his head from? FW?
I'll still have to look at your champ in real (and some beer) to get used to the idea but the others sure look good'n'bloodthirsty!
I regret I have to agree with ShroudFilm over at PH's: Jumppack+banner is not fitting well. Drop-Troops normally have no use for great heraldry, they attack and retreat (if needed...), so it would just be an adornment for the poor assault marine.

Cya next week, your Pal DeadEyeDuck

17-12-2007, 01:02
ive been enjoying your log so far but i have to be honest when i say the upside down jump pack looks like,,, and upside down jump pack

17-12-2007, 03:22
I disagree. I think it looks awesome, and until i read the explanation, had no idea it was even built from one!

17-12-2007, 23:09
@Duck: Thanks again for commenting- yeah, it'll be hell of a duel. Hope we can start throwing together some Palace of Terra terrain during christmas week, maybe we'll find the time. The head's from the big bits box sellout, but it's regular plastic, so it has to be from a games workshop sprue- I think there's one of them in the Black Templars Accessory sprue... anyway, it was just to good and precious to waste on less then my Captain, and I think it gives him that extra edge of chaos look reduction, a more loyal feeling...
And, yeah, I got it now, no banner poles on assault troops, or they're get stuck in a tree, fall over when attempting to leave their dropships, whatever. ;) Point taken!

@zealot: Seems to be a matter of taste. Many people like them a lot (thanks, chucky!), and so do I, but I can well understand if someone who is very familiar with those models finds them cheap. For me, it's the easiest method of creating PH style jumppacks, and I've got 16 of them, so it's my way to go.

Work is progressing tremendously slow at the moment because of christmas preperations, last Uni work and loads of commercial work (gotta earn the money back I'm currently wasting)... anyway, I've cut up the jumppacks and dry-fitted them to have a peek at the complete look of the squad. I'm starting being more and more happy with them. Now just some GS work, and they'll be done modeling-wise. And I've found another blade in my bits box I just -had- to use for the champions' sword, but it doesn't look right on the pics... much better in real life, though, so I'm gonna post some detail pictures of the miniature once it's done.


18-12-2007, 18:18
Dude, that's one big knife! I agree, doesn't look fine to me on the pics, either. But as you know: Convincing me of your work is a cakewalk :D
Your Captain looks pretty more intimidating when equipped with a jumppack. Rocket-mounted-doomknight from hell... His head indeed is from a plastic-sprue? Well, I would have bet it's one of those FW-Scorpion-marine heads, so I guess my time of knowing most bits and their origins is over.
I'm curious about how he turns out painted, for right now I'm only able to think of rust, bronze and blood - not of blue'n'white.

Keep it up and cheers! Your Pal, Teh Duck

07-01-2008, 00:55
You didn't think I'm dead, did you? ;)

After an immensly exhausting christmas/new year season, I'm back. Naturally, there wasn't any real progress in the meantime- our last guest left just today- but I still have kind of an update for you. First of all, the random 40k-related gifts I got:


Let's see what I can do with them.

Additionally, I've visited my favorite old game store some days ago, and stumbled upon some nice trash. The temptation was just too big, as it was all part of the 1-€-box...


GW ripoff terminators from a company named Enigma, dated 1997. I've posted very detailed pictures and written up an analysis over there: http://z10.invisionfree.com/Pre_Heresy/index.php?showtopic=1925 ... check it out if you're interested in learning more about those strange pieces, and drop me a line if you know something about this company, their range, or anything less related, as I find this matter quite... fascinating. Considering that they're really HUGE and heavy, they'll sure as hell find a place in my army- for more info, follow the white rabbit. Or the link.

07-01-2008, 00:56
And then, there was this:


Again, I couldn't resist, and I guess with loads of work, I can get some really nice PH marines out of them- I especially like the loincloth, legs and heads, and they're easily combinable with GW parts. Here are some detail pics.. that'll be quite a challange, but I'm a sucker for old curiosities.



So much for now.

07-01-2008, 04:27
Cool log, pre-heres aswell. I loke the colour scheme alot aswell. Best of all is the dreadnaught thing - totally wicked.

Anyway, nice job keep it up!

07-01-2008, 14:29
Thanks, glad you like the dread so much- it's gonna be painted next, so you'll see more of this little bugger. ;)

07-01-2008, 15:12
Just googling found a link where someone has painted up some other enigma miniatures including some rather funky 'space dwarves'. They're at http://members.aol.com/drdresch/galengmb.htm

I'm not sure if it's the same company but there's also still an Enigma modeling company which can be found at http://www.enigmaminiatures.com/web/en/home.htm although it looks like you've already mentioned this on the other forum which I was too lazy to sign up to, to reply on that one :)

07-01-2008, 15:24
Thank you for the input, nkicik- yeah, I also found the Spain-based company you've linked, but they have nothing to do with that freaky Canadian GD design pirates. ;) But the other Link is great, I wonder why I didn't find it via google... damn, that PA marine sure is ugly- and also that Terminator's head. But with some GS, new heads, and a nice paintjob, I'm still convinced that I can get a lot out of these. I'll add that link to my analysis thread.

Personally, I find that Space Dwarves rather neat. :)

11-01-2008, 09:38
Just a preview of the things to come, for the lack of proper updates...

Three camoflagued prone Marines, securing my new keyboard. They'll give those cats hell if they make one wrong move.


24-02-2009, 10:18
I just had to check your log out when I saw your awesome Brutus model you linked me. And I've spent some time scrolling through it and I must say that your army looks great! I can't wait to see your dreadnought painted and ready for battle! ;)

And cats are evil! I mean look at it, it knows something! :D

26-02-2009, 10:49
Thanks a lot. :) I didn't intend to ressurrect this thread just yet, but hey, just one more exam tomorrow, then I'm done for this semester- so hopefully, I can post updates on the painting of this army withing a week or so. So, why not! I can very well use some extra motivation to grab my brushes, considering the great amount of bits and model kits I could build and convert right now, instead of doing the productive thing and painting what I have...

...must... resist!

The goal: Get the tac assault squad (the remaining 5 half-finished models) and the dread painted. After that, I can reward myself with allowing me to finish converting the jetpack assault squad... revamp the terminators with some plasticard love... or some jetbikes... or a rhino... or my land raider... or my devestators... or some berzerkers... or a tac squad... or 5 more scouts...

(Curses on myself for buying so much stuff in advance, just because I saw "cheap opportunities"...)

26-02-2009, 11:17
I too wanna see the dread painted, I have a couple of those as well as the larger Mission:Dreadnaught one waiting to be painted.

I like how you seem to have easily made pre-heresy marines. the ear-less berzerker heads work really well.

01-03-2009, 01:02
Okay, it was an ordeal.

Exams passed- that's the first good news. And what happened after that? Everything I expected.

My colours were too dry, my brushes hadn't aged too well, not enough daylight, artificial light too bad, some colours missing, workspace sucked, and so on. To summarize it: A lot of whining and "I have to go buy stuff and wait for better conditions"-thinking, day by day. It was always "I'll do it tomorrow".

So, this evening, I've had enough of that sad whining of myself. I cleaned my workspace, sat down, grabbed my old paints and brushes, adjusted my sucky desk lamp, and decided that I wouldn't leave this desk until they're painted, inked, highlighted, varnished and based. Using only what I have.

So, here they are- Assault Squad Secutor's second Combat Squad. There are aspects on these models that turned out okay, and some that turned out terrible (partly attributed to harsh, one-sided yellow lighting while painting), but for now, they're done, they're mine, and I'm a happy little converter. Because, as soon as I get that dread painted too, I can go back to building stuff.

(also attached: A picture of the complete squad, which doesn't work like this rules-wise, I know.)

Cypher, the Emperor
01-03-2009, 05:05
You should try to get some legs from the 5th edition chaos plastics (you already have some arms, I see).

They make really good pre-heresy legs.

Kasrkin 666
01-03-2009, 06:15


01-03-2009, 10:57
this is a really promising looking army! everything you've done so far looks great, and truly inspiring sice I'm currently working on a khorne lord on juggernaut. I'm looking forward to see those terminators and the dread painted, I'm sure they will all look great once done!


Hadriel Caine
01-03-2009, 11:22
this log is great. i love the scouts and termies especially. hows the painting progressing?


01-03-2009, 13:12
Thank you for your replies. :)

@Cypher: Yeah, I've got some of these lying around, and I'm gonna use them. The Assault Squad you see consists of the very first models I converted for this army more than one and a half years ago from everything I could scratch together.

@Cassarus: Good luck on the lord!

@Hadriel: I'll try to speed it up from now on. Unfortunatly, I'm not very fond of painting, I'm more of a converter. That's why I'll force myself to finish painting milestones before allowing myself to build new models, from now on. Hope that'll work out.

I've realized some time ago that I've never provided proper, clean pics of the painted scouts, so here they are.

Now I just need to wait until some more of them turn up at the german ebay, for a prize I can afford... two conditions which turn this into a miracle, more or less. :D

Hadriel Caine
01-03-2009, 13:45
you may not enjoy it but those are some very nice paint jobs IMO. very clean and the bases look great.

just found a plastic scout in that style on my desk! no idea where i got that from!


01-03-2009, 14:20
Well, I enjoy the results, so it's just half bad. :D Actually, I'm also not satisfied with any conversions when they're not painted. Without that mindset, things would get very difficult.

The only source of RT era plastic scouts is, as far as I know, the GW board game "Tyranid Attack".

01-03-2009, 15:10
Really liking the Pre-Heresy World Eaters.

Where are those little resin colored bucklers/shields from?

01-03-2009, 19:05
Thanks. The little armor plates are from some acient skeleton sprue (WHFB), had them lying around since about 1998, I think.

01-03-2009, 21:10
Excellent converting skills you have here Ithmaril.

Looking forward to seeing you get this log back on track.

One question though. In the command squad what did you use for the guy with the storm shield. That thing is class.

02-03-2009, 03:05
Thank you :) - the shield is from GWs Inquisitor Range, a model named "Special Security Enforcer Barbaretta". Still available.

02-03-2009, 10:24
Ah i see had thought of using a rhino door on one of my guys. Making it look like he'd ripped it from it or something like that but what you've got looks really good might need to see if i can pick one up.


02-03-2009, 10:28
looking good i love pre-heresy army sweet i would love to see pre-heresy luna wolfs tho because .....well because of loken and a pre heresy horus and abbadon. ;)

02-03-2009, 13:52
I think you might find something to satisfy your Luna Wolfs needs over at http://z15.invisionfree.com/The_Great_Crusade/index.php?act=idx. It's a very helpful and active community devoted to everything PH and Heresy, and they have a painting/modeling logs section, too.

18-03-2009, 21:02
After finally getting around to read the new Codex, and also getting the urge again to play due to getting the new rulebook, my priorities have shifted. The almost-done captain miniature and a second troop choice will be finished next. I'll also have to build and paint a Rhino for my assault squad.

Luckily, Vredesbyrd from the Great Crusade Forums helped me out with 8 more retro plastic scouts (Tyranid Attack/ Advanced Space Crusade). Now, normally I'm not very fond of cutting up and converting retro models (I'm a huge nostalfia buff), but these ones are just too static to not stand out from the rest of my army... so there will be conversions.

I'm gonna use them to form two seven-man-squads, one based on the existing squad (pistols & CCWs), and one bolter squad with a heavy bolter.

Here's the first one. Just need a little GS work to be finished. I've taken the trouble to do some drilling and pinning (something I'm quite new at) in order to redo the pose, and I'm happy with it so far.

Saul Tarvitz
18-03-2009, 22:58
Hey Ith, I think you know I'm me, if that makes any sense.

I'm glad these boys made it to Munich okay and I'm loving the look of your converted Scout so far, the whole unit should look damn cool once its done. I look forward to seeing it.

19-03-2009, 17:11
It actually makes sense, but just because I know that you are you.Thanks again!

Turns out that I had so much fun converting those wee little angry boys that I pulled an all-nighter to get them all done. So much for "slow and steady". As soon as I enjoy working on a project, patience just goes overboard.

Less talking, more pictures!


You already know the guy, here's the finished version. Seems like someone prefers to use an autogun in close combat, and keep those costly bolter shells for long range shooting.


Some sucky GS work I'll maybe fix up. But I really dig the pose.


The only way to make a retro miniature even better is to convert it with parts that are even more retro.


Don't ask me how those strange white stuff got stuck in the GS, I have no clue. But it has next to none texture, so it's okay. Vox caster guy with binoculars- a recon squad needs that s**t, I suppose.


Heavy Bolter guy with huge backpack. Known for always yelling at the enemy way too long before opening fire. A miracle those guys still have the infiltrate rule, as all of them seem to be sreaming on top of their lungs. :D


The squad's veteran corporal, with a strange taste for weapon choices. He took that one away from an eldar teenager he beat up in front of a Wall Mart.

19-03-2009, 17:11

The squad's leader. I went for an "almost astarte" look, a veteran who shows those neophytes how things are done the Angron way.


This guy will beef up the other, close combat scout squad, but can also still be used as a bolter marine if I want to get up the head count of this squad. Many scouts from both squads look like they will work either way, even the already painted, metal ones. It's good to have some flexibility.

I've also left one of them unconverted, to pay some respect to those nostalgic little buggers. He'll also become part of the CC squad. Figured it's not neccessary to post a pic.

So, here are the eight Scouts you saw above (who now form the bolter squad), plus the two who'll join the other one.


As you can see, I used most of the original heads, as they define the retro scout's look for me- and hell, you don't find much more diversity among the newer model line, anyway. What I had noticed with the metal scouts is the fact that their equipment looked very personal and individual, so I had no qualms at all to dive into my bits box and just pick out what I found cool. I'm very happy with the final results.

Ithmaril out.

Saul Tarvitz
19-03-2009, 21:38
That was quick, do you think you'll sit and paint them as quickly as you converted them?

I like your method of converting, the dipping in the bits box method is always good fun. These guys look very cool, the conversions are smooth and effective. I like the idea of having a full battle brother in Scout armour leading the neophytes of the Legion, though he does look a little like he's leaning on his boltgun to stop from falling over.

19-03-2009, 22:01
Not sure about that, mate... it will definitily take longer, but I don't know how much. I'm already hand-priming them black at the moment to ride the wave of motivation before it passes. And I've scheduled a trip to the local GW tomorrow morning to buy some paints that are dried beyond recognition. (I'll try something I haven't pulled on my WE, yet- black undercoat for some quality blacklining. Depends on how well foundation white works.) Let's see- my GF is on a trip until tuesday next week, so maybe I'll manage to get them done by them. That's kinda my personal goal.

Yeah, the pose of the sarge is difficult. I've figured out that I like it from around 70-80% of the possible viewing angles, though, and that's good enough for me. ;)

Glad you like them all in all. Let's just see how they'll look once they're done. I'm quite optimistic about that.

20-03-2009, 02:26
It's always fascinating how much a black priming helps to make a squad, constructed of many multicolor bits, look like one.

So, yeah, I've primed them, and will try something new this time. Instead of waiting days, maybe weeks, to find the time for a hours-long painting session, losing motivation in the process, I'll set them up in a corner of my desk, with a water glass, some brushes, and 2-3 colours. And every time I feel like it and have a spare 10-20 minutes (like work breaks, waiting for oven food, etc.), I'll get something done about them.

Here's the proof:


Let's see if that works.

Saul Tarvitz
20-03-2009, 02:55
I think that's probably the best way of ensuring that you get these guys painted up as soon as you can. I might have to follow your lead in that respect and have the things to hand rather than away in boxes.

20-03-2009, 03:08
Does one of those punk have a shreiken catapult?

20-03-2009, 03:09
@Saul: I'm not sure yet if this will work out as I imagine it... But I know what you mean. The way I've always stored my painting projects and equipment was like an additional obstacle I've visited upon myself: "Meh. Get the miniatures out of the boxes from under the bed, get my paintbox out of a drawer, pick brushes, pick colours, make room on my desk, search for a glass I can use to clean brushes without my girfriend kicking my ass because she thinks that the paints will ruin it, adjust the light, have a smoke, slowly start painting..."

I've tried it out in the last hour, while working on an illustration. "Diing- 15 minutes break. Turn the chair left, grab a miniature, grab a paintbrush, open a pot of paint. Start painting And no stress, it's just 15 minutes, every single surface done is better then none."

I've read it in some kind of hobby blog some weeks ago- "painting your army in 15 minutes". Of course, it meant -per day-, and I found that so obvious that I didn't put much thinking into it. But now my mind starts opening up- general lazyness to use any short-term spare time for hobby projects seems to be a very underestimated enemy. ;)

@tcraigen: Yes, he does. But I'm innocent, that's GWs original miniature, completely unconverted. :D

20-03-2009, 03:16
Nice looking old school conversions. Have not seen much of the command squad though, how they comming along? more pics please!

20-03-2009, 05:06
Except for the jumppack captain, who's right on top of my list next to these scouts, the command squad is scrapped for the moment. The reason is that the new codex doesn't allow jumppacked command squads. Most likely, the existing miniatures (besides the apothecary, of course) will be intergrated into an assault squad, but if I do one, I want to do it right, so there'll be 10 of them, with the current company champion model as their leader. But that's way down on my list. (paint scouts - finish & paint captain - build & paint rhino - paint dreadnaught.)

20-03-2009, 07:07
Yes do paint that dread, I've been waiting forever^^

20-03-2009, 21:34
@Cassarus: Can be only a matter of weeks, my friend. ;)

Small update, again. Based on the Byrd's comment on the pose leaning too far over, I decided to just try it out in spite of the fact I've already started the paintjob on the sarge, although I personally didn't mind it too much.


Now, that's a double-edged sword, here: Because of the foot pose, he's now -really- tall. Es tall as an Astarte in PA, actually. Now, he's standing on a little hill, and his leg position is very straight (contrary to most astartes models having bent knees, as the scouts do, too). So, considering the fact that he IS supposed to be a fully modified Marine in scout armor, it could work. It's the age of the great crusade after all, a time period of overblown heroism and insane deeds, commited by barely human heroes and villians.

On the other hand, I really, really like how much cooler the pose looks from this angle, and how hardcore he looks, also because of his size. If I ever field a pure scout force, he sure es hell will be their CO. ;) Additionally, You see much more of the base, which has enough open space on it for some creative modeling now.

So, what do you guys think?

20-03-2009, 22:45
wow nice :D

i like these conversions alot and your painting is nice too.

man i wish my GW would sell its bits box :D

21-03-2009, 20:51
Thanks, Harris. :) Glad you like. Yeah, that was quite an oppurtunity, hope they do it again some time this year.

Painting whenever I have short timespans with nothing to do works surprisingly well so far. I've applied some basic blue and skin colour. They'd make some fine PH Night Lords atm, but that's gonna change soon.


21-03-2009, 23:44
nice work! the sergent is looking good!
but you know what I want^^

22-03-2009, 22:55
I guess you're one of that dread junkies who wait for their shot. ;) Thanks for sticking around, it will be painted, I promise.


So, here's my test dummy attempt at figuring out if the technique I've thought about for this squad, a partially painted scout. The idea was to paint a deeper white this time, and checking how much longer it'll take me. I'll try it (more carefully) on the whole squad, and time will tell if I'll use it again on my WEs. But atm, it looks like plain, grey-washed white works better and faster, as I'm quite a noob to painting great amounts of white on black undercoat, as you can easily figure out from the pic...

Saul Tarvitz
22-03-2009, 23:12
For not having painted much white over black this is looking very good, no transparency and no bleeding through from the black. How many layers are you at at this point on the white?

22-03-2009, 23:28
Thanks, mate. Basically, four layers. Codex grey, fortress grey, mixed fortress grey and white, and then thinned down pure white. A lot of the "pure white" seems to be swallowed by the camera, though...

May sound like much work for a quick paintjob I'm trying to pull off, but considering that each layer gets smaller than the last, it's not terribly much. Still have to practice this a lot, though. And still more time-consuming then white primer. ;)

Saul Tarvitz
22-03-2009, 23:47
It may be more time consuming than white primer but it'll give you a better result over all than a white undercoat I suppose. It'll be worth it in the long run.

23-03-2009, 01:36
The white shading looks fantastic for a mini. Ir really catches depth and curvature!

23-03-2009, 07:34
Looks great! The deep contrast makes the white pop quite well I think.

23-03-2009, 18:42
Thanks for the nice input, people. Let's see how the whole of the squad turns out this way. I yet wasn't completely sure, but getting so much positive reaction in favor of this kind of technique tempts me to toy around with it even more, after I've finished the scouts.

Well, my 15 minutes of painting aren't done yet for today, let's see if I can find the time to do some more massive work on them in the next few days. Although Uni stress gets a hold on me again... obviously, having the squad done by tomorrow won't work. Damn my jobs.

25-03-2009, 15:33
Just a quick little update to show how far I've came with 15 minutes painting a day, and to demonstrate that I actually stick with it.


Hadriel Caine
25-03-2009, 15:58
loving the conversions, I know it can be hard to cut apart older minis but this look sweet!


26-03-2009, 02:50
Thanks, Adam.

Sorry for the quick flow of small updates lately, I have to admit that I'm in real need of motivation to pull that technique off on the whole squad, as it's not comparable to the way I've painted whole units before. I'm not a patient man. I get bored, distracted, and headache'd quickly during painting. Not the same with converting, strangely. Must be something with my eyes. I tend to hold miniatures I paint really close towards my eyes in order to get it right, and sometimes, my sight just seems to de-focus in short bursts, after a hour or so. Maybe I should let a doctor check on this. Anyway- posting keeps me motivated. It's as simple as that. I sincerely hope people don't mind the spam.

Enough of the blah part, at least there's actually something to show off. I've broken my 15 minutes rule today in order to finish the white on the test scout and the grey basecoat on the whole squad.



Trooper with finished white (note: only the white, though.):


The scouts will all be done this way, no matter how long it takes me. But I'm still only toying around with the thought to expand further on that and learn to master this kind of technique over months and years... the alternative would be to go back to my old "white spraycoat with grey inking" ways.

The time this seems to take already gives me a headache. On the other hand, I'm slow, anyway, so they may at least look like more of an effort in the end. And they're marines, no horde army. And I'm never gonna get better if I always go the quick, tried and true way.

Humm. I guess I'm gonna make that decision once the squad is finished to the last base and detail. And hear it from the more talented people from forums like this.

26-03-2009, 04:39
These scouts are awesome Ithmaril. Reminds me of the RT scouts.

Just a thought have you considered overbrushing up to white. Like starting with codex grey, then fortress grey then skull white or something along those lines. Just a thought. I may have missed it but i didn't see what technique you are using to paint these guys.

26-03-2009, 14:25
Thanks, Ocid. Atm, I'm painting Codex Grey over the black primer, leaving some black lines, and then highlighting with Fortress Grey, a mix of Fortress Grey and Skull White, and pure Skull White, then.

I've considered drybrushing, but then again, I expected it to look more messy and rough. And white was a too sensible colour for me to risk that. Maybe I'll give it a try, but I tend to use drybrushing only on places with a lot of texture (like fur), nowadays.

26-03-2009, 16:10
Overbrushing isn't really drybrushing as such. The brush is still "wet" its not quite dry but its not what you'd have for drybrushing.

I dunno maybe try the "wetbrush" and depending on how it looks give it a wash with very thin skull white. Heres (http://theangelstalon.blogspot.com/2008/08/painting-tutorial-dark-angel-space.html) a page that shows what i mean sorta. Scroll down to basecoat.

26-03-2009, 16:38
That's interesting- never heard of that name for the technique before, although I've done something similar in the past. Might work, I'll give it a try on PA's marines, when the scouts are done. Thanks for the clarification.

26-03-2009, 18:23
Hey Sarge!
Those old school Scouts sure look pretty tough, I wonder how you've managed it to come up with such a variety of different poses for it is all the same basic mini. Even more, I like the combination of their weaponry: Space Crusade 'n modern Bits the good-looking and balanced way. I was glad to take a sneak preview of your oncoming projects, so I'll be visiting the board more often.
And there was the other thing, I forget to often when looking only for conversions... Nice paintjob! Guess I'll have a look at Ocid's overbrushing-hint in that tutorial as well.

Your buddy, DeadEye

P.S.: "I demand a basket of bread!" and a painted Dread ;)

26-03-2009, 19:46
Np's Ithmaril. I forgot to mention that OwlandMoonGuys blog (http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.php?automodule=blog&blogid=16&) has exactly what i was meaning at aswell. He doesn't give a tutorial but you can see the effect of what i was trying to say very well.

Just need to look at his Luna Wolves.

Keep up the good work though cause i love these scouts.

Edit: Fixed link

27-03-2009, 23:06
Ahhh, the duck is back. Glad you stick around again, pal.

Thank you for the music- Reposing was a neccessary evil in this case. Lots of WIP pictures around on the last pages of this thread, if you want to look it up. Also tried working with a drill and pins for the first time, worked like a charm.

Thanks for the links, Ocid- really helpful. Already partially tried out the method you described, and it works well in many places.

Okay, so here's an update:
My brain hurts. _


On a lighter note, I've had the chance to work with other materials yesterday, namly my girl and tattoo markers. Gotta keep that freehand skills in shape!


28-03-2009, 08:26
So, here they are. Out of no special reason at all I pulled off an all-nighter to get them done. It just kinda... happened. I guess the idea of slowly working them up over the course of weeks just really, really turned me off.

They're based, they're varnished, they're finished- and I don't want to see scouts again on my painting table in the near future. ;)

Front view:


Back view:



29-03-2009, 19:56
So, up next: Something lots of people seem to have been waiting for.

Before painting, I put some more converting work and touchups into the model itself. Besides some minor cleaning, and drilling out the guns, I had to make a difficult decision. In the meantime, I had realized that he upper weapon mounts just don't work. Full configuration looked overloaded and rag-tag, arm-only configurations let the upper mounts look misplaced and senseless, and using them meant that I had to get rid of at least one arm, letting the arm mounts look crappy.

So, I've decided to scrap the upper mounts. But cutting them away would have most likely resulted in damage on the model in its current state, and the model as a whole would have lost its balance because of the quite high banner.

In the end, I decided for small missile mounts, and I'm more than happy with it. I also converted the existing weapon arm into an assault cannon for a good first configuration, and if I want other ones, I still can cut up more sentinels and build more all-modular arms!

Here's the result- he will be primed tonight or tomorrow.


Tell me what you think!

29-03-2009, 21:30
The scouts look great Ithmaril certainly worth the pain it sounds like you went through while painting them.

Look forward to seeing that Dread done up.

29-03-2009, 23:58
Meh, sometimes I wonder where I'd been as creativity was handed out. Very inventive concerning conversions and painted better than I would ever be capable of...

That'll be one dreaded Dread, I have to agree that the cyclone-launchers are fitting much better to the mounts.

Salut, Duck

30-03-2009, 08:57
The scouts turned out real nice Ithmaril, and the dread is finally getting painted!!! Yay^^

31-03-2009, 10:51
Thanks all around!

No real updates yet, but what I've done is a breakdown off stuff I'll have to get done in order to field a decent 1000 pts. force. So, that's basically my to do-list.

Scout Squad
10 men, combat blades
Sergeant: power weapon
1 heavy bolter

Status: 10 painted

Tactical Squad
10 men
plasma gun
heavy bolter

Status: 1 plasma gunner painted

Assault Squad
9 men
Sergeant: power weapon

Status: 9 painted, Rhino to be done

Lightning claws, artificer armour

Status: Conversion in progress

Assault Cannon

Status: Painting in progress

Sternguard Veterans
5 men, 2 Lascannons

Status: to be done

31-03-2009, 21:00
Hi there!
Busy as always... Wait, did you forget about the honor guard with JPs? These are some cool minis as well, it would be a pity if they wouldn't get their place in your army :)

Kind Greetings,


02-04-2009, 09:45
The JP honor guard is still around but will need some massive conversions. They're not playable with the new codex, so I can scrap my apothecary and company champion. I'm gonna use them as a base for my future JP assault squad, but I couldn't cram them into my 1000 points, as the scoring rhino-mounted tactical squad was a wiser choice-game-wise. A question of priorities, as I want to have some gaming done with them once painted.

On a further note, here's the proof that I'm actually painting that beast, slow and steady. Tin Bitz basecoat for the metal parts, will be brushed over with boltgun metal, and chainmail for highlights after that. Well, besides some brass/gold applications.


Besides that, I've got an ongoing project that I always put some minutes in from time to time. My goal is to practice my sculpting-fu in order to become a halfways decent sculptor one day. With some more miliput/GS, filing, touchups and bits, this one will probably be a fine mk3 suit, soon.


Concerning the studs, I've made a tutorial of my method at The Great Crusade Forums. You can find it here: http://z15.invisionfree.com/The_Great_Crusade/index.php?showtopic=2320&st=0#entry4027906. Whenever I have some spare putty now, I'm stamping a row of studs for later, fast-and-easy use- works like a charm.


06-04-2009, 01:47
University life has gotten its cold, dead hands on my life again, but I'm still dedicating half an hour a day or so to my WEs.

First up, here's the promised MK3 marine. He'll be my tactical squads' sergeant.


Next up, a very WIP second marine for that squad. Just a mock-up of the pose, at the moment, he'll soon get some sculpted hair and a reworked chestplate. Maybe some studs, too.


In the background, you can see that my dread slowly gets more and more paint slapped on him, too.

07-04-2009, 08:47
So, combat squad 1 for my tacticals is finished, building-wise. Converting them was a blast again, but now I'm gonna use them to force myself painting. It's back to the dread again.


Quite happy with the two kneeling marines, grenade-tossing and pointing guy (who is another instance of metalhead hair in my army ;) ), although they'll look more like it once painted, again. The other two are fairly straightforward MK4s, one of them gangasta style. (Couldn't resist.)

07-04-2009, 09:30
The new squad looks really good so far, and I guess even better once you get some paint on them!

08-04-2009, 12:17
Yay, progress.


Damn, that table needs a good cleaning.

08-04-2009, 21:15
So, I've decided to enjoy myself with the banner freehand painting for a change, and went a wee little bit crazy on that. See, I'm far from really good at this, but I think that my skills in that are enough to make it a nice tabletop centerpiece, anyway.


I've decided to paint the "patchwork" ogre kingdoms banner as actual patchwork skin, taken from worthy enemies. With the Legion symbol painted on. But guess what, the guys who prepared it for the ancient nutter who's inside that sarcophagus thought something along the lines of "not awesome enough". So, this time, it's metal jaws literally eating a planet, which bleeds magma.

Any thoughts? :D

Elazar The Glorified
08-04-2009, 22:02
Absolutely love this plog. So many great things in here but I'm going to comment on my two favourite parts in reverse order...

Proximo. Really like what you've done here. He looks brilliant very much the fighty champion you'd expect the World Eaters to have!

But my absolute favourite is the Space Crusade dread! Space Crusade is what got me started in this hobby and so anyone who uses the minis will instantly get kudos from me but what you've done with this old mini looks incredible. It's a proper killing machine now. Can't wait to see him painted up.

Top stuff!

08-04-2009, 22:21
Well, you know, it's looks awesome! truly, can't wait to next update!

15-04-2009, 23:22
@Elazar: It's great to hear that there's still someone who gets as sentimental about those old minis as me out there. Thanks for the encouragement, hope you stick around for a while- the plan is to finish the first 1000 points of this army within 3 months.

@Cassarus: And here it is! :D

I didn't touch any paint brushes since 13th due to easter vacation, and the fact that I wanted to do my first update for B&C's Call of the Imperium MKIII until the 16th. So, what you see here is my Captain (again... lightning claws), who was converted more than a year ago, and will be finished with a new base and banner/backpack now. Next up is my Sternguard squad sergeant, Mr "will look better when painted", who still needs some tidying up. And, finally, my first two space marine tanks ever built- the two "Blockade Runner" (search for a better name pending)-pattern Rhinos. Note the WE symbols on the dozer blades, the steps and handles next to the doors (my answer to "how can that thing transport 10?") and the heavy stubber. I like them, and it will be a nice challange to paint them.


So, that's it for now, ithmaril out.

15-04-2009, 23:57
looking really good may have to borrow the stitched banner idea for my W/E :-)

20-04-2009, 17:51
Thanks, dave- your H/WE are a huge inspiration for me, and their style will be clearly yoinked for my vanguard vets in the future. ;)

Busy times, but I've managed to get some more stuff done. 2nd half of the tactical squad is finished, converting-wise, some more paint on dread and first half, and I'm toying around with how to paint the rhinos, finally settling on badab black wash over white basecoat, with white highlights and heavy weathering. And some blue of course. I have considered all-blue rhinos- they look fine, but I can't help myself feeling lazy if I do it that way. ;)


So, the only things that are left to build are my captain and sternguard sergeant, who just need some extra work, and I still have to take care of 4 more sternguard vets. These first 1000 points really start to shape up, and I'm quite excited. So excited that I even managed to clean my desk, as you can see. ;)

Thanks for sticking around!

23-04-2009, 00:58
I've finished the grey (most. annoying. step.) on the tacticals. From here, things will progress more fast and fun.


Also did the banner, but it's a rather sloppy job compared to my first sergeant's. I was kinda unnerved by it, being my first old-style paper banner. I used a cut-up tissue handkerchief in the end, applied lots of super glue over it, and tried to bend and fold it to look like cloth, bit it still looks too much like paper. Oh well, after I've wasted time with this and couldn't come up with a better result, I wasn't exactly motivated to put loads of work into the freehand...

But I can live with it.

24-04-2009, 03:03
I've just finished the basic white on my 5 tacs. Need some more touching up, some surfaces are too rough and some black lines need fixing. But the majority of the job on them is now done, the blue is really quick and easy compared to that. I've actually done a step-by-step photo manip for further reference, as they're the first PA marines I've painted this way.


24-04-2009, 08:42
i like these, i like these a lot, they really do give out the dark pre heresy feel

great armour and poses and lets not forget, WORLD EATERS!! lol

great take on the dreadnaught, should have a look at my space wolves at the one i did, pre heresy dreadnaughts always look better then current era ones lol

24-04-2009, 09:16
Oh, nice another update^^ I really love this army and where your going with it, keep up the great work!

25-04-2009, 02:20
Thanks for the input, guys!

They're done for now.


25-04-2009, 05:34
Very nice stuff, Ithmaril.

Red Skullz
25-04-2009, 06:39
This is developing into a very nice looking army! Just keep up with this standard and it`ll all look fantastic :)


28-04-2009, 18:05
Thanks a lot again, guys. Glad you enjoy the log. :)

Here's a little teaser on the big guy. He should be finally done by tomorrow!


Elazar The Glorified
28-04-2009, 18:30
Teaser is a very apt word. He's looking excellent can't wait to see him!

01-05-2009, 23:20
Yeah, dread's an ordeal, painting-wise. I have't painted any models of his size in years, and completely forgot how much time it eats away, so I announced that I'd have him done by thursday under the wrong impression. I can just try to make sure it's worth it.

Anyway, here's a PIP pic to compensate for that. Basic colours partially done, but I guess he should be finally finished over the weekend.



01-05-2009, 23:28
Might impressive Plog here matey... look forward to seeing more from you!!!

Really like the way your white comes out! I do a brown based white for my SM chapter, and it takes ages to do, i take it yours is similarly timely. Therefore cudos for choosing white!!!!

02-05-2009, 00:08
Thanks, Dimitrios. As much as I hate painting white, I love the look of mainly white armies on the battlefield, and it's so rare. (maybe that might just be the reason. ;) )

I'm gonna have to check out that brownish-white Marines of yours... yeah, for my sensibilities, it takes tons of time. I'm not used to need 4-6 coats for one colour, and with these guys, it's most of the models.

EDIT: Got any pics? I can't find a log of them or anything.

04-05-2009, 07:11
So, that's it. After many a sleepless night and work hours I don't want to count, he's as done as he'll ever be, and I hope you enjoy the result as much as I do.

http://i611.photobucket.com/albums/tt193/ithmaril/dread_thumb.jpg (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_DN6TB-6-3mI/Sf5kMm1zaSI/AAAAAAAAAAk/AiL8MringdE/s1600-h/dread_fini.jpg)

If you are interested in a more detailed view of my personal opinion towards the paintjob, a making-of, and loads of my random thoughts on this project crammed into one article, then my new painting blog (http://ithmaril.blogspot.com/) might be worth visiting. I'll keep adding articles of the different squads of this army there, which will provide more in-depth looks and takes on my way of approaching the hobby- stuff that would be too much gibberish for WIP threads in forums like this. ;) Also, other kinds of hobby articles, projects and other kinds of content will be added over time.


Elazar The Glorified
04-05-2009, 07:43
He looks absolutely immense! Great stuff Ithmaril! That paint job is of the highest quality, I love the way you've shaded the white, it has a lovely metallic feel to it that really stands out on this mini. Having looked at your blog to see the work you've put into this in more depth I have to say you're officially on my list of heroes now! I've already stated my love for old Space Crusade minis and you really have given this one a completely new lease of life. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go and play Space Crusade! :D

04-05-2009, 19:22
Thanks, mate. Great to hear how much you like him, really. ALthough I kinda feel bad about getting such hugely flattering compliments while my blending and highlighting is still quite shaky, it's a perfect motivation to move on and get better. :)

Concerning Space Crusade- I bring the beer, you bring the box? Sorry, some nutter seems to have randomly converted the living hell out of some of my minis from that game. :D

05-05-2009, 09:05

Ithmaril: Making Munich a little bit cleaner by recycling ordinary dirt.

05-05-2009, 20:21
So, yeah, I'm kinda on a productivity spree atm. Gotta make good use of it as long as it lasts. But this one has a serious question in it, as this is my first tank: Have a look and please tell me what you think of the blue/white distribution. Not 100% sure about it, yet.


Elazar The Glorified
05-05-2009, 20:28
Yeah, you're really ploughing through your work at the minute! The tank looks good but I think you maybe need a bit more blue involved just to break the white up some more. Maybe the pillars(?) near the doors could be in blue aswell?

05-05-2009, 20:34
Good point, mate, I see what you mean. I'm trying to stick to the distribution of white and blue on my Power Armor infantry to better intergrate that thing into the army's scheme, that's the reasoning behind it so far. And that would be only shoulderpads and backpack for the blue... so mostly white.

Let's see. I'd like to keep the pillars white for that reasons, but I could add up more blue in surface detailing and stuff, maybe some more markings even. Another idea I head was painting the top hatch metallic to break it up some more without going into dark colors, but I'm not sure how good that would look on such a large surface.

Thanks a lot for the input, glad you're still sticking around here. :)

Elazar The Glorified
05-05-2009, 21:31
I'd avoid the metallic top hatch myself think it would detract from your colour scheme. I see what you mean about the colours. Some markings in the blue could definitely work to help break the white up and wouldn't make it seem as if it had tipped the balance of colours you're wanting. Maybe some kill markings. I would imagine the tank crew would be just as proud of their killing as the rest of their battle brothers.

And I'll definitely stick around. You have a great looking army, and I'm happy to offer any input I can! :)

05-05-2009, 22:26
Wow! the dread really turned out great Ithmaril, great job!

06-05-2009, 05:56
You work at the pace of a madman.


Must be the neuroimplants. ;)

06-05-2009, 17:18
Thanks, people. :) I'm gonna go with markings and see how it works out. Next update should be due tomorrow, with finished metallics I hope, and some testing on white touchups/highlights... after going out to see the new Trek flick. I'm actually enjoying painting a tank as a change of pace atm, and I guess that's what gets me motivated.

08-05-2009, 06:58
While I'm approaching the last two big challanges of the process, here's a WIP for you to show off the final colour balance. Tell me if it works, people. (apart from the metals looking to dark in the picture)


Yeah, the white. I figured that it will get difficult, but boy, it's giving me a headache. Pulling off an okay gradient on small surfaces like power armour to give it a good effect as viewed from tabletop distance is so easy compared to those large surfaces.

The problem is that I actually liked the dirty white I had after washing with Badab, but can't keep it. Because in some places, it looks clearly splashed on, and if I touch these up, those spots will look- well, touched up. Meh. Finally, I've decided to repaint most of the white in thin, clean layers, and leave out some of these layers where I want the white darker, something that seems to work. (ignore the strokes on the side hull, that was a test) The only challange about that is to get it right and ... well, stay sane.

After that, I'll model (yes, model) the 'wet' dirt component (thick nail varnish around the dried spots), paint it those effects, light up the metal in places, and apply final details.

So far, it has been one big learning experience, that's the major "pro" about this part of the army. But boy, does it start to get on my nerves. ;)

Elazar The Glorified
08-05-2009, 07:14
The colour distribution looks a lot better now Ithamaril. The markings etc do just enough to break up the big blocks of white that were across the top of the tank and it looks infinitely better.
Yeah, the white seems like it would be hard one to paint on this scale. I'm just getting started on my marines and the tones on the white are annoying me! :)
Anyway, it looks to be progressing very well.

13-05-2009, 20:35
Finally done.

http://i611.photobucket.com/albums/tt193/ithmaril/Rhino1_thumb.jpg (http://i611.photobucket.com/albums/tt193/ithmaril/Rhino1_fin.jpg)

I'm happy with most of it, and I'm not with a few things. But for my first Marine tank I'm okay with it, considering the trouble the white gave me, and a few other new things I tried out on this.

So, thats 1 more Rhino, 10 Marines, and 1 Captain to go.

13-05-2009, 22:58
how can you use milliput, i cant stand mine

13-05-2009, 23:27
I can see where you come from on that. Miliput is more difficult to work with than GS, but also has some different fields of application. GS shrinks a little while drying and edges lose a little bit of sharpness. Also, it keeps a little bit of flexibility when fully dried, making it more resistant. Miliput dries rock-hard and is better for those edges, and I prefer it for cutting and drillig, but is also a little more poros in a soft and hard state and takes more patience and carefullness. It's more clay-like, and you have to be careful with too much water.

You see, I'm far from a really good sculptor, but I learned to make use of those differences, and I'm slowly getting better at it.

14-05-2009, 14:12
So, after reaching kind of a milestone and convincing myself that I've earned it, I decided to take the painted elements of the army and do some shots on a real tabletop. While I still have a lot to learn about making decent pics, it's still a rewarding series of pictures I'd like to share with you. So, I hope you enjoy.



Elements of the legion's third company, forming the left flank of the advancing World Eaters force, regroup after successfully overrunning an entrenched enemy position on Xi Draconis during the Great Crusade.


A tactical squad taking cover and watching out for further enemy forces, forming the left flank of the first battle line.


A few minutes earlier: Assault squad "Secutor" disembarks from its transport and overruns an enemy entrenchment, slaughtering the wounded and going after the fleeing former occupants.


Providing cover for the regrouping effort of the army, a bolter-armed scout squad takes cover in a ruined building, while one of the Neophytes checks for enemy comm traffic with his vox caster.


Volrath the Destroyer, a venerable and feared Gladiator-Dreadnaught, calmly oversees his tiny battle-brother's efforts while slowly marching to the front of the formation, ready to unleash hell on his captain's command.


Recieving the honour of being tasked to scout ahead, the second Neophyte unit advances quickly through rough terrain, eager to find out the enemy's next position, and to spill first blood before the main force marches in.

14-05-2009, 14:28
now that sir is one fine world eater force

you should be proud of these guys!

14-05-2009, 16:13
And now you got to add some scary terminators! Maybe try something out with bigger shoulderpads. I used some old plastic Chaos Warrior (I think one of the first "modern" multipart kits GW released) shoulders and Ork Boyz armour plates. See an example here (http://warseer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3553020&postcount=12).

14-05-2009, 18:38
Thanks Lordkhaine!

Malika, I'd love to, and I'll definitly revamp my termi conversions once I'll get there. But I had to set priorities, because I need the motivation of a nicely playable force, and terminators don't quite fit into my image of a 1000 pts force. So far, it's pretty clear what has to be added next: 5 more tacs, 1 captain, 1 rhino, 5 sternguard.

The good news is that at my current speed, that should be done in about one and a half months or less. And then I have my footslogging core of basic models and can move on to the really cool stuff. Thanks for sticking around!

Elazar The Glorified
14-05-2009, 20:52
The rhino looks awesome Ithmaril, love the finished dirt effect. Really good for your first vehicle for the army!
The army shots are great and like the little plot to go with them. Top stuff as ever!

15-05-2009, 07:08
Thanks, Elazar! How are your Angels coming along? Haven't seen any updates on them for a while.

Elazar The Glorified
15-05-2009, 10:51
Been decorating the house and what little hobby time I've had has mostly been given over to writing background fluff for my gaming club's WFB campaign. They've been a little neglected recently but will try and make that right next week!

30-06-2009, 23:20
Dear buddy,

Sorry about it took it's time that I'm trying to keep up with your artistic skills. Don't know what to tell you about it, better I start systematically:

The transports:
Strange. You told me that tournament-players these days are essentially relying on such things as "rhinos". Ok, I'm used to the time of the 3rd edition as a Blood Angel, when we purchased these things for just a smile for our DC's. Actually these two rhinos make want to purchase them for points. Great use of weather-effects. I could never paint a mini in a clean way like that just to cover it with mud. Realistic and impressive, nothing more to say.

I ever wonder how you've managed it to build something like that out of some nostalgical plastic-scouts and on top of this, painting it like it had cost you a treasure. With due respect: You're insane ;)

The Dread:
Speaking of insanity... Our buddy Volrath sure is one shitkicker. I very much like the idea of the two cyclone-launchers even though the banner (and what you did to the raw plastic-surface) is more than I'd be ever capable of. It'd be a lie if I state "That's how I imagined it" because you have outclassed my expectations.

Keep it up and till next time,


01-07-2009, 00:18
Very nice army so far! How did you do the weathering on the rhino it looks great!

Saul Tarvitz
14-07-2009, 13:49
When will be getting updates in this thread then Herr S? We've seen tons of work on your Rohan, now I'm wanting to see some WE goodness! :)

15-07-2009, 07:04
This made me want to start a pre world eaters army! congrats you just sold me the chapter im going to star making them soon :D

im gonna buy a box of tactical marines to test paint.

Hadriel Caine
15-07-2009, 11:39
been a while since I looked in here. I wasn't convinced by early tank pictures but OH MY GOD the infished product is masterful. I love everything about the tank.

good work. nice to see some of the earlier stuff finished and I enjoyed the shots with terrain!


15-07-2009, 12:16
Wow, that is a very striking army you have there. I like the tone of white you have, usually it is quite bland but yours has alot of depth to it.


15-07-2009, 16:17
Awww, you guys make me actually feel bad for putting them on a hiatus right now while I still feel much more like painting my Rohan riders . Sorry for the late reply, haven't realized that someone pushed that thread, and a topic's mostly dead when it drops some pages on warseer.

Anyway, I don't have the time to just force myself to paint these at the moment (can't get myself to spread my focus between 2 armies), but don't worry. They were on a hiatus before- twice, even- and returned in even more glory and quality with more updates. So, thanks a lot for all your comments, and keep an eye open- they'll be back.