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Sabbad
25-09-2007, 09:35
I spoke to Andy Hall at Games Day UK on Sunday.

For the past few years, Specialist Games have had a release window every six months - a January release and a Summer release. The last of such releases was the Warmaster Araby release.

However, I have now been told that GW do not intend to release any more models for the Specialist Games. Unless GW starts doing well again, the Specialist Games suddenly become popular, or there is some massive change in demographic, GW will not be creating new Specialist Games models ever again.

It is the end of an era...

Crube
25-09-2007, 09:39
Sad news, but then there was the sighting of a new Human BB player green.

I suppose one model doesnt make support does it?

Really a shame. Just hope we'll be able to still get hold of SG minis for a while...

scarletsquig
25-09-2007, 14:29
As long as they keep the models available and the SG site and forums up and running, I'm happy.

It's unfortunate that they didn't get around to finishing their epic range first though... that's the only one with gigantic chunks missing out of it.

Necromunda/ mordheim require the least amount of new models, since they're interchangable with 40k/ fantasy, but the others could definitely benefit from it.

I get the distinct impression that GW is deliberately attempting to reduce sales of the SG range, to the point where they can justify removing them completely. What will the situation be like in 5 years time with zero support? How about 10?

burning crome
25-09-2007, 15:12
Will SG get to do extras for the new space hulk that rumoured to be coming out and hope'll get some attention for SG's. It a shame I don't play any SG's but the necromunda mins (and some of the inquitor stuff/and epic) are great for living up 40k. But is a shame alround.

Persephone
25-09-2007, 15:15
Very sad news.

floyd pinkerton
25-09-2007, 15:28
great, well done GW once again:(

Jomee
25-09-2007, 15:47
Awful news. Then again, it's not hard to see why they did this. It doesn't look like it will be missed, if the response to this thread is anything to go by.

The Phazer
25-09-2007, 15:51
Sad news, but then there was the sighting of a new Human BB player green.

It was a trial model done by one of the new sculptors to get the job. Not for release.

Phazer

stonehorse
25-09-2007, 19:40
This is really bad news, SG are the better products of GW, with Warmaster being their best game, will be a shame to see it die.

Satan
25-09-2007, 19:57
Too bad. Seems stupid somehow, with the release of new BFG stuff. Hopefully they'll try to incorporate some stuff into the main ranges.

jesusjohn
25-09-2007, 20:09
And i just got my first warmaster army painted!

MordrekDaMean
25-09-2007, 20:29
I'd like to say " These games will never die as long as we cherish and play them!" But thats just wishin'... It would be nice to have updates and at LEAST a full line for EPIC!!

Archibald_TK
26-09-2007, 08:18
Ah, and only two months ago I was in a heated debate at our GW national HQ regarding the fact that we couldn't command specialist miniatures for our customers as an indepenant retailer. Cause according to GW it's not our job, the higher ups in their tower have a better understanding of our customers needs than we have.

Yet, a month later they show some AdMech BFG models in the WD and suddently many customers during the month asked me for these miniatures... miniatures that of course I can't sell them...

GW will never understand that their lack of support for their specialist games is what prevented them from selling them in a decent way and not the other way around.
There are to many games to support in the current range, but they should already have clue regarding the potential of each of these games.
A game like Necromunda could be a good selling game in the current market, like it was before, and could prevent futuristic skirmish games like Infinity or Urban War to freely eat their way through GW customers. Same for BFG.

The more things go, the more I stand in my position that GW handling of the market is an outdated way of doing things, unable to react at a decent speed and out of touch with what is happening around them. They evolved compared to what they were in the mid 90s into a more professional company, yet I still see them as having a 10 years old way of doing things... And in 2007, even if you cleaned your scales so that they look shiny, it's not a good thing to be a dinosaur...

...
That rant was offered to you with love by Archibald_TK.

The Dark One
26-09-2007, 09:26
well that sucks:(

Osbad
26-09-2007, 10:51
Ah, and only two months ago I was in a heated debate at our GW national HQ regarding the fact that we couldn't command specialist miniatures for our customers as an indepenant retailer. Cause according to GW it's not our job, the higher ups in their tower have a better understanding of our customers needs than we have.

Yet, a month later they show some AdMech BFG models in the WD and suddently many customers during the month asked me for these miniatures... miniatures that of course I can't sell them...

GW will never understand that their lack of support for their specialist games is what prevented them from selling them in a decent way and not the other way around.
There are to many games to support in the current range, but they should already have clue regarding the potential of each of these games.
A game like Necromunda could be a good selling game in the current market, like it was before, and could prevent futuristic skirmish games like Infinity or Urban War to freely eat their way through GW customers. Same for BFG.

The more things go, the more I stand in my position that GW handling of the market is an outdated way of doing things, unable to react at a decent speed and out of touch with what is happening around them. They evolved compared to what they were in the mid 90s into a more professional company, yet I still see them as having a 10 years old way of doing things... And in 2007, even if you cleaned your scales so that they look shiny, it's not a good thing to be a dinosaur...

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That rant was offered to you with love by Archibald_TK.

Indeed GW seem to have badly mismanaged SG. Sure they aren't the "big earners" that 40k, LotR and WFB are, but it would be possible to make a profit out of them if they didn't charge exorbitant prices and actually let people get hold of them without paying ridiculous postage costs. If they still couldn't earn "enough" profits for their shareholders then they should have licenced them out to a third party who would have been satisfied with a lower profit margin (like they did temporarily with Hogshead publishing for a time with WFRP). Then with the licence fee coming in for essentially doing absolutely nothing they would have been happy and the punters wouldn't hate them so much!

Look what Mark Copplestone has done with 10mm fantasy figures if you don't believe it would have been possible. If Copplestone had been given a franchise to develop Warmaster of BoFA then I'm sure he would have at least been interested!

I mean it seams ludicrous that they can't believe that generating goodwill and developing the wider market would be a better decision than axing stuff.

But of course they absloultely can't afford any remotely "risky" investment like that now as they are pretty much broke. A couple of years ago though they could have done it. They can't afford it now with the level of debt they are carrying and another £4m of redundancy and closure costs to swallow this year.

I personally liked the SG and bought into BFG, Epic and am contemplating Mordheim. BUT not a single penny has entered GW's coffers from my doing so as everything I bought was either second hand or from another company as the "official" figures were just way too expensive new.

Shadowheart
26-09-2007, 11:47
I swear, if GW had some bathwater lying around that they needed to throw out, they'd refuse to do so before someone put a baby in it.

I just can't see how doing something for SG every now and again could be such a huge issue that they've got to go ahead and announce that they're never ever going to do it again.

Not that GW has a clue what it'll be doing two years from now, much less forever. Especially when it comes to SG.

Agamemnon2
26-09-2007, 11:52
Who knows?

Maybe they honestly, wholeheartedly believe in their numbers and projections. It wouldn't surprise me. But it is grotesque that on one hand GW is producing a rule system and minis for big battles set in the 40k universe, and with the other, it's mothballing a rule system and minis for big battles set in the 40k universe.

Bulldozer
26-09-2007, 12:19
It doesn't look like it will be missed, if the response to this thread is anything to go by.I am not sure how you came to that conclusion as it seems every person who has replied to this thread will miss the Specialist Games. I certainly will as I have been looking to play Necromunda and BloodBowl again as well as finally starting Inquisitor and Battlefleet Gothic.

Damien 1427
26-09-2007, 12:27
I can see why. Because frankly, a lot of the recent Necro stuff was crap (The Redemptionists and Bounty Hunters the notable exceptions), the recent, hah, "revision" a joke and coupled with a distinct lack of obvious support means it's an old mans game.

In all honesty, given the quality of the models I'd be happy if they never made a new one, and just gave us conversion articles. But the games do need articles, even a section in the Dwarf. Because that's the only way the damned things will shift, will grow and will avoid the fate of Gorkamorka or Man O' War.

To be honest though, I don't care. Most of my projected Necromunda ideas will either require stuff from the mainline ranges or other manufacturers (Hypertech and Steampunk Van Saar), I have the Big Yellow Book in my Big Pile of Rulebooks and the current lot of rules floating around my hard drive. There's little I need from them beyond a vague notion I'm not playing a "dead" game.

Then again, when the department consists apparently of one bloke with a budget measured in pence, it's been clear for a while GW want to do in the department and just use what little money they save to shill another flavour of Space Marines. I imagine they're staying their hand because a lot of the old guard still there would have a fit, but it was only ever a matter of time after they axed the Specialist magazine.

Gazak Blacktoof
26-09-2007, 12:45
Most of the games don't need a whole lot of support but it would be nice to see some acceptance of their existance within GW's stores.

As noted above EPIC still has a long way to go before being completed. Will Forgeworld now pick up and carry the reamining elements of EPIC to be completed? Or is the blanket ban on production of new models accross all of GW plc?

If/ When FW get round to doing admech/ necrons I'm hoping that they'll accompany them with an EPIC line.

Jedi152
26-09-2007, 12:54
I don't see how a little more support for SG would be detrimental in anyway. Just feature the games in WD a bit more, and if the demand is there in stores, send every store a few boxes and see how they shift.

GorkaMorka is a bit up in the air right now. Andy Hall mentioned that it would be released as a pdf to coincide with the new ork releases, but the general buzz on the SG forums now is that it won't.

Presumably all their rulebooks are sent to the printers in pdf form anyway, so it would take 5 minutes to upload it to the site and ensure a load more ork sales - especially the battleforce, which is a perfect mob kit.

Hopefully they will get it up soon (the rulebook, cheeky)!

Could Forgeworld pick up Necromunda gangs and Blood Bowl teams? Yes. Will they? No. Because that means less tanks, see?

Yazoo
26-09-2007, 17:47
Too bad they´ve decided to screw SG, it is going to be quite empty with only 3 game systems if they remove the lines completely.
Still hope that this remains what it is, a rumour, even though in all honestly it does appear to be true, judging from the harsh treatment SG currently recieves.

Maybe GW could license SG out to an individual company that could concentrate on producing new miniatures and models full time instead of as now having to rely on windows in the production line of the main systems.

Darkson
26-09-2007, 21:35
Disappointed? Yes.
Surprised? No.

I mean, really, did anyone really believe the hype way back in Fanatic Mag #1 when Jervis rabbited on about the future of SG? After so many false dawns, the final curtain is not a shock.

Oh well, after 18+ years, GW finally get what they've seemed to have wanted for many a year, me stopping putting money in their till and into the coffers of their competitors. I don't play any of the "big 3", and the only figs I did buy for those games were to convert for BB, Nercomunda and Mordheim. And lets be honest, there's plenty of alternative figures out there to cover those ranges, more often than not a better prices for comparable quality.

As it is, I won't encourage my son to play 40K, I'll buy a different system, and get him interested in that instead.

Thanks for the memories GW.

Follower of Zork
26-09-2007, 22:47
I hope this doen't happen as I have just got into this hobby through blood bowl:cries:

CyberShadow
27-09-2007, 12:45
I hope this doen't happen as I have just got into this hobby through blood bowl:cries:

Actually, you should be OK with BB (so should Mordheim and Necromunda). Several companies make 'fantasy American football' miniatures, and you can convert WHFB minis fairly easily for the game.

For games like Epic, Inquisitor, Warmaster and BFG, this sucks. :mad:

Sabbad
27-09-2007, 12:55
Inquisitor and Warmaster will be fine too - plenty of 54mm/10mm miniatures suppliers out there.

I pity BFG, and Epic most of all. They never did get back the Tyranid Range...

As an aside, it seems that someone has moved this thread over to the official Specialist Games forums:

http://forum.specialist-games.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12974&whichpage=1

Looks like things are getting quite heated. Perhaps Andy himself might drop by to clarify his position, but when I spoke to him on Sunday he seemed pretty clear...

bertcom1
27-09-2007, 14:03
As an aside, it seems that someone has moved this thread over to the official Specialist Games forums:

http://forum.specialist-games.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12974&whichpage=1

So they have!

Hope no-one gets it locked by stupid comments.

Gazak Blacktoof
27-09-2007, 19:17
Will there be an official announcement of this news at some point?




"Hey guys, we are no longer supporting specialist games but that's great as it gives players the more autonomy to do their own thing, etc, etc.":rolleyes:

Damien 1427
27-09-2007, 19:23
Hah, no. They'll just deny all existance until they get sick of being asked, and say 'Nids ate them.

Though I'd like to kick the person who thought up the Grombrindal idea down some stairs, Leonidas-style.

Rossco
27-09-2007, 20:55
It's a shame but not a shock. Warhammer historical exists without any coverage or miniature range of it's own, does that show any hope to games systems that are enjoyed by many but seemingly not enough ?

CyberShadow
27-09-2007, 21:53
It's a shame but not a shock. Warhammer historical exists without any coverage or miniature range of it's own, does that show any hope to games systems that are enjoyed by many but seemingly not enough ?

I wish that it was that easy. WH Historical players can draw on any number of companies producing historical miniatures, including the Perry twins. When Epic stops, no-one can produce alternatives due to GW IP.

Patriarch
27-09-2007, 22:41
Hah, no. They'll just deny all existance until they get sick of being asked, and say 'Nids ate them.

Not plastic epic nids, unfortunately.

Gen.Steiner
27-09-2007, 22:46
Oh bum.

Well, at least they'll still sell the existing models through Mail Order... right?

Chaos and Evil
27-09-2007, 22:50
Oh bum.

Well, at least they'll still sell the existing models through Mail Order... right?

Yep.

Components are gone from the SG range, but the models themselves are going to stay on sale.

burning crome
27-09-2007, 22:57
Surely GW need epic to test and evolve it fuff and 40k range. I mean what FW going to base it tanks off (ok some of the stuff not based on existing epic but even they have references)

Gen.Steiner
27-09-2007, 23:02
Yep.

Components are gone from the SG range, but the models themselves are going to stay on sale.

Phew! That's OK then. Well, it's only 'ok' but ... yeh, I'm content with that. Sucks for the Epic 'nid players tho'.

TheLionReturns
28-09-2007, 13:17
Personally I'm not overly surprised or disappointed by the news to be honest. I like the idea of living rulebook type maintenance and revision of the rules, with community playtesting and feedback. One of the things that really bugs me about GW is their habit of taking rules you have got used to and completely transforming them. I can not speak of all specialist games, but I think BloodBowl, Necromunda and Epic have pretty good core rulesets. The only tweaking I see necessary are supplementary add-ons like the ash wastes rules for Necromunda or new lists in the case of Epic to make the games complete and keep them intersting and fresh. This is better done on a community level where the play testing is better anyway.

As for the miniatures side of things, yes no more support by GW would be disappointing under normal circumstances, but I see very little support now anyway. I don't really see how the situation is changing that much. What I would like to see though is GW realising it has a loyal SG community and making some provision for new models another way. There is no reason why smaller companies could not be commissioned to produce miniatures for the SG range under license with GW receiving a share of profits for the lease of its intellectual property. Its possible this would make things a little more expensive, but as SG are generally cheaper than the core games this is probably viable. I for one would not be too bothered by a small price increase if it meant availability of high quality models.

horizon
28-09-2007, 13:22
I pity BFG, and Epic most of all. They never did get back the Tyranid Range...

Why BFG?

We have ships & fleets for all races, and even the AdMech!

Plus there are a lot other companies with cool spaceships.

daemonkin
28-09-2007, 13:57
Epic will be ok with a company and games set called Exodus Wars making 6mm metal models that will be serviceable for imperial players.
Sucks for nids, eldar etc though.

D.

Acolyte of Bli'l'ab
28-09-2007, 14:37
It's unfortunate that they didn't get around to finishing their epic range first though... that's the only one with gigantic chunks missing out of it.

Yeah, ill never get those official necron minis I wanted for years..but at least with these new facts I can move on and use Dark Realm minis stuff instead now.

Easy E
28-09-2007, 16:51
Personally I'm not overly surprised or disappointed by the news to be honest. I like the idea of living rulebook type maintenance and revision of the rules, with community playtesting and feedback.

As for the miniatures side of things, yes no more support by GW would be disappointing under normal circumstances, but I see very little support now anyway.


I agree with this guy.

Perhaps Forgeworld can fill the gap with "official" minis?

Darkson
29-09-2007, 05:17
Personally, if FW did start picking up SG games, and BB in particular, they'd have to amend their price structure, as I wouldn't want to pay what they'd charge for 16 figs based on their IG squad price.
Not whenn there are independents out there with fantastic customer service that actually listen to what BB players want model-wise.

mageboltrat
29-09-2007, 06:49
One thing that might be our saving grace is that Forgeworld has always been under orders to only produce thing Games Workshop can't or will not produce. therefore if SG state they can't produce any more models for SG, it actually makes it easier for forgeworld to do so under their license.

Ozorik
29-09-2007, 09:05
Well GW have now severed my last link with them. Epic and Necromunda are the only GW games which I would now consider playing and as these have now effectively been disowned I wont be bothering anymore.

Its an end of an era as epic was the very first GW game I played about 17 years ago but Im not suprised. There are other companies out there who deserve my money much more.

yabbadabba
29-09-2007, 09:08
Some of the comments on this forum appear to be an indicator of a malaise that is, in my opinion, growing in the wargames community. Just because GW has decided to drop SG, it doesn't mean they will die. They are plenty of forums that support the growth of the games. Just because they aren't "official" doesn't mean they aren't any good.

Specialist games were not dropped because of sales IMHO. I think some of the corporate big-wigs they got in, who were not hobbyists, did not believe that SG fitted the demograhic of a store (12-16 yr olds). It is no secret that SG did not rock the GW accounts' world. Yet they fulfilled a vital part of the growth of a hobbyist.

When these 12 year olds get to 14-16, wargames are the last thing on their mind, and the last thing they want to spend their money on. They now have beer, football and girls. SG provided a low-cost way of them keeping in the hobby, as well as giving them something to keep their obsession going (SG have always been more involved for the hobbyists than the big 3).

SG will not make a return via GW unless it starts making more money than Microsoft, and they decide throw Andy a few coppers. Even if the Community turns SG into a massive activity, it will not make a difference because GW does not use Community activity as a market indicator, prefering to believe in their own sales figures. And of course, soon those sales figures will show that SG don't make any money ;)

SG. Gone, but never forgotten.

Ozorik
29-09-2007, 18:29
For my part I have had difficulty finding people who play necromunda so this development makes it even less likely. If i cant actually find anyone to play with whats the point of making a gang?

Gazak Blacktoof
29-09-2007, 19:06
Some of the comments on this forum appear to be an indicator of a malaise that is, in my opinion, growing in the wargames community.

Epic is the BIG problem though. There are still no epic necrons and they didn't re-release tyranids. There are only so many pre existing models already out there from which gamers can convert armies.

How big is the world's supply of chaos androids (necrons)?

Hena
29-09-2007, 19:32
Some of the comments on this forum appear to be an indicator of a malaise that is, in my opinion, growing in the wargames community. Just because GW has decided to drop SG, it doesn't mean they will die. They are plenty of forums that support the growth of the games. Just because they aren't "official" doesn't mean they aren't any good.

The problem is that without new players joining the game, it will slowly wither off. In general people stop playing after some time more or less. Other priorities come up and what ever reasons. So new players are needed to keep the thing alive in longer term. And without new minis, that isn't very feasible. So some one needs to produce them.

ghost21
30-09-2007, 09:52
well the latest minis for necro were awful and so were some of the later mordhiem figures

the sacvvies and ratskins were terible and think necro started me into wahammer 40,000

i just hope that forgeworld pick up where gw left off

Jomee
30-09-2007, 12:41
I am not sure how you came to that conclusion as it seems every person who has replied to this thread will miss the Specialist Games. I certainly will as I have been looking to play Necromunda and BloodBowl again as well as finally starting Inquisitor and Battlefleet Gothic.

I didn't realise how new the thread was when I wrote that, I thought it was 3-4 days old with only a few replies.

yabbadabba
30-09-2007, 22:08
Epic is the BIG problem though. There are still no epic necrons and they didn't re-release tyranids. There are only so many pre existing models already out there from which gamers can convert armies.
How big is the world's supply of chaos androids (necrons)?


The problem is that without new players joining the game, it will slowly wither off. In general people stop playing after some time more or less. Other priorities come up and what ever reasons. So new players are needed to keep the thing alive in longer term. And without new minis, that isn't very feasible. So some one needs to produce them.

I appreciate what you guys are getting at.

One of the reasons why model companies have sprung up is because the models they want are not available to buy. It is entirely feasible that the game will keep going because people will cannibalise, proxy or just try and sculpt their own (I have seen an entirely sculpted EA army - made me shudder:D).
As for new people, why can't these be found by introducing the game to new people when they come to the club?

The cynical part of me would say you are being lazy. If the game deserves to survive, it will be kept going regardless of what is around for it. There are still plenty of people playing MOW and using proxy figures or converting their own. But before I get shouted at, I think that SG are a viable business and GW just can't be arsed to put the effort in.

stonehorse
30-09-2007, 22:24
If GW pull the plug on the SG website which has all the rules for free, then it will be harder to get new people into the game, not due to them having to get someone to print out from a saved file. But rather in that it will give the impression that the game is a dead game... and thus their interest will quickly fade.

I wish the SG site had the PDF files for Space Hulk, I brought this old gem of a game (both editions) down to my local club, and it did generate quite a reaction. Space Hulk is a way to get people into the hobby, sell it at toy shops, like they did with Battle Master, Space Crusade, and Heroquest... how many people reading this forum were converted into the hobby from the above games? Quite a lot I'm guessing.

Gw I think need to get back to what they where in the mid 90's, when they made a wide variety of games. They could do this now and it would take up very little shelf space, a few articles in White Dwarf, and allow veterans to play the games in store. It would create sales, as those who collect Marines might want a Marine army for Epic, or BFG to help carry the theme, thus 1 army has now turned into 3 armies.

Jomee
30-09-2007, 22:30
The cynical part of me would say you are being lazy. If the game deserves to survive, it will be kept going regardless of what is around for it. There are still plenty of people playing MOW and using proxy figures or converting their own. But before I get shouted at, I think that SG are a viable business and GW just can't be arsed to put the effort in.


That's one way to look at it, but it really depends how you define "plenty", doesn't it? How many more people (in multiples of 100%) would play MOW if, for example, GW still made the game, stocked it in their shops (or even mail order), and ran a 1/4 page add in the monthly add brochure that is WD?

There's areason they don't (well, there's lots of reasons, some of which have been outlined here), but here's a nice conspiracy theory. I don't generally give them much credence, but this one makes absolute sense to me

http://www.stephane.info/show.php?code=specialist_games

Jomee
30-09-2007, 22:34
oh, also, read the comments left for that article.

Terrordar
01-10-2007, 05:55
Wow, just as I'm about to get into BFG, they cancel it. Thank you GW, thank you. First the **** Chaos Codex now this...

Chaos and Evil
01-10-2007, 08:33
They're not cancelling it, they're just not releasing any new models for a while.

yabbadabba
01-10-2007, 08:58
That's one way to look at it, but it really depends how you define "plenty", doesn't it? How many more people (in multiples of 100%) would play MOW if, for example, GW still made the game, stocked it in their shops (or even mail order), and ran a 1/4 page add in the monthly add brochure that is WD?

It's not how many are playing the game, it is that people are still actively playing the game and recruiting their friends into it - even if they have to share armies. It's not about the business application, it is about the game survivng because people want it to survive. In the various clubs I have been a member of, games have survived because every now and again, somebody carts out a dog-eared dust covered book and miniatures and shows his mates how to play. Over the year Ebay and shows are scoured for original and suitable proxys while the group learn to play. At the end of that year they might not play it again for a long time, but there are a few more players into that old, crusty game.


There's areason they don't (well, there's lots of reasons, some of which have been outlined here), but here's a nice conspiracy theory. I don't generally give them much credence, but this one makes absolute sense to me
http://www.stephane.info/show.php?code=specialist_games

thanks for posting that. It was a good read. I tend to agree that his point of view that not enough people were making the leap from SG to the main games, was a reason, but I think it was one of the reasons. Lack of revenue, the games not being really targettable for the target market (12-16's - remember this is GW thinking ...), being outside the main IP of 40K and WFB, lack of a real plan to deliver the product to the customer. The real killer for me was SG have become a community driven product with dedicated players all over the world willing to put in time and effort to improve the game. Most of them are over 18. GW still hasn't worked out a way to talk to these types of customers so are incapable of reacting to needs and changes in the market. As it is such a small market compared to 40K, the easy answer was to let them slide.

Gen.Steiner
01-10-2007, 10:38
The important thing to remember is that it isn't the end of the world. Armies, fleets, etc, for the Specialist Games are still availiable from EBay and GW itself. Buy two (or three, or more) and you can introduce other people to the game. For example, a friend of mine came to stay over Christmas; and I broke out my Undead and Human Mordheim warbands and we played a six-game campaign. It was good fun, he didn't have to have any models, and when he went home he bought the Mordheim box.

GW may have dropped us, but we don't have to fall screaming to our deaths. We are wearing a parachute, and all we have to do is pull the ripcord of eBay and independent manufacturers like Hasslefree. :)

Lordimperator
01-10-2007, 20:11
However, I have now been told that GW do not intend to release any more models for the Specialist Games.

another sign that stupidity aint know no limits :wtf:

Gen.Steiner
01-10-2007, 22:35
another sign that stupidity aint know no limits :wtf:

Welcome to the land of profit! :D

Commissar Bob
03-10-2007, 19:02
I have to admit this is very sad news for me. I am a college student and my freinds and I discovered Necromunda a while ago and now all 4 of us have our own gangs. It really is a great game and much more affordable on a students budget then 40k.

But with the loss of all support for SG it will only be a matter of time before the game goes the way of the dodo.:cries:

Commissar Bob

Gen.Steiner
03-10-2007, 19:06
I have to admit this is very sad news for me. I am a college student and my freinds and I discovered Necromunda a while ago and now all 4 of us have our own gangs ... but with the loss of all support for SG it will only be a matter of time before the game goes the way of the dodo.:cries:

How can the game go the way of the dodo if you and your gaming group all have gangs, and the rules, and enjoy the game?

For gods' sake, support it yourself! Don't rely on GW spoon-feeding!

Sabbad
03-10-2007, 21:40
How can the game go the way of the dodo if you and your gaming group all have gangs, and the rules, and enjoy the game?

For gods' sake, support it yourself! Don't rely on GW spoon-feeding!

You know, saying things like this is all well and good, but past experience has shown that once GW pulls the plug on something it's usually the end of the line.

How many people do you know who regularly purchase, model and game with Squat armies? Or Fimir? Or play Dark Future? etc.

Gen.Steiner
03-10-2007, 21:57
How many people do you know who regularly purchase, model and game with Squat armies?

The popularity of Bob Olley's Scrunts and the three Squat-as-Guard armies that I've seen suggest that the answer to that is "quite a few".


Or Fimir? Or play Dark Future? etc.

Fimir - seen them in WFB armies from time to time, usually Lizardmen ones, and as for Dark Future... hah, Jellicoe plays GW's Block War. :p

yabbadabba
04-10-2007, 09:07
You know, saying things like this is all well and good, but past experience has shown that once GW pulls the plug on something it's usually the end of the line.

And therein lies the problem. People need to be spoon fed these days. If it is not at fingers reach and instantly available - who cares anymore? There is a welfare state of thinking attached to GW that if it isn't current, GW isn't promoting it, it isn't any good and has no worth for using.

I have kept a lot of my old discontinued lines from GW - Epic Squats, MOW, ALL the 2E 40K, every copy of WFB plus army books e.t.c. - not because they are currently useful, but because I enjoyed the games and someday I hope to find a gamer who will want to get it all out again and take a trip down memory lane.

memitchell747
05-10-2007, 15:24
A clarification from Andy Hall just posted in Fanatic 94. The SG bi-annual releases are done, with nothing specifically planned for now.

http://www.specialist-games.com/Default.asp

Gen.Steiner
13-10-2007, 16:41
So "no further new releases for the Specialist Games going forward in the near future" isn't the same as "none ever again" eh? Well, with GW's record... oh well, what the hell, so long as they put out Necrons or Chaos for EPIC I don't mind that much to be honest.

I agree with yabbadabba, too.

explorator
13-10-2007, 23:16
I’ve noticed that in the Games Day post write ups I may have been slightly missed (sic) quoted on one or two threads. So to set the record straight and prevent further confusion, I never said that Games Workshop would never do any Specialist Games miniatures ever again, that is not the case.

Ok lets take a deep breath now. Specialist Games releases are not needed for Specialist Games Fanatics to keep playing for many years. SG are some of GW's best work and are well supported in every way other than with new releases.

Is it called irony? GW offers online rules, with updates and FAQ's, while maximizing customer feedback and interaction with their SG's, while producing no new models. GW (and Forge World) do produce tons of new models for thier 'main' range while charging real money for subpar rulebooks that contain obvious mistakes, are not supported with FAQ's, all the while minimizing customer feedback and interaction.

Uh....errrr...durrrhhhhh

Gen.Steiner
14-10-2007, 12:02
Which is why I'm not that worried. The two things I'm most bothered about, apart from the prices (:p) are the end of bitz orders and the decline and fall of the Inquisitor range. E-Bay is useful but not, sadly, the be-all and end-all...

And that Tyranid Epic army I wanted is looking less and less likely really. :(