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miridigi
30-09-2007, 02:07
In response to the vast amount of anti-GW propaganda lately I've decided to start a thread in which people can post things they like about GW. Any of you who have nothing good to say, please just don't post at all, I want this thread to reamin positive.

Here are a couple of the things that I like about them;

95% of the models they make are very good quality. (newer ones at least)

The addition of Foundation paints to the product line has made life a lot easier for a lot of people.

Apocalypse is taking 40K to a place where it belonged from the start (mixing armies, no force org, BIG GUNS:chrome:, massiver battles that flow smoothly)

Most of their minis are becoming plastic, making converting, building, and painting much easier.

Despite some of the naysayers, I like the streamlining of the army books and codices, makes them flow much better.

The new terrain they have been brining out is beatiful and is really taking them to being a complete hobby company.

The fact that, despite what some may say, the charge fair prices for their products (PP is always an example of a comapny that's cheaper yet, in reality they are more expensive [keeping this positive though so I won't go into detail on this one on this thread])

Drogmir
30-09-2007, 02:23
I like some things

1. I like the other branches of their company. Black Industries and ForgeWorld for sure!

2. Their hobby centers I find are really good because the people who work there are there for the hobby and you can really get into talking and having fun with your fellow nerds :D

3. I find their fluff to be very good compared to other completely screwed up worlds. And their models are very good quality although nowhere near the surface price.

It's come as a shock to me how they're losing money considering the PR and general knowledge about the games have been shooting up since they entered the video games series with a vengeance. (DOW)

Light of the Emperor
30-09-2007, 05:23
I like that GW is throwing out all this terrain to help gamer's create fully detailed battlefields that would've once been stacks of books and a green blanket.

Most of the models are top notch.

I love the background...everything about it rocks.

I've been playing for 6 years and its been nothing but fun.

violenceha
30-09-2007, 05:43
Plastic miniatures break when you sit on them, unlike those horrid, horrid metal ones that go in!

Cygnusmaximus
30-09-2007, 05:46
I've always been a big fan of plastics... and extra bits; now there's a great deal of both coming out of GW.

A small defense to the numerous complaints about prices: Being on the cutting edge technologically is an expensive business - new equipment and materials are expensive and prone to have problems (and in business problems equal money). The overhead for such equipment and moulds is incredibly high and casting such highly detailed objects means that not every cast comes out perfect so many don't ever make it to a box or blister. I for one am glad that GW makes an effort to improve their miniatures and methods rather than just churning out the same old "new stuff".

The background for all of their games is also incredibly rich while maintaining the flexibility required to allow gamers to run with new/creative ideas. Finding such a balance is not easy to do.

Lastly, I like the rules- not because they are 100% clear (because they're not) or because they are true to reality (they're FANTASY games!) but because they allow for an enjoyable, friedly game that isn't bogged down by unnecessarily complex rules descriptions - that could just be my non-competitive nature coming out, though.

While GW has its problems, it also does quite a lot to make what are (in my opinion) the World's best miniature war games. And to call them "The World's Best" is really saying something.

nanktank
30-09-2007, 07:26
Well if there is one positive that I have noticed about GW its that the full range of models are available for every army, ie back in 40k 2nd Ed the Codex Eldar had exodite dragon knights in the codex however no official models were ever released. That is certainly not the case any more..

alexh
30-09-2007, 09:10
Plastic miniatures break when you sit on them, unlike those horrid, horrid metal ones that go in!

I feel your pain. Back on topic, one word - APOCALYPSE!!!! I played my first game yesterday and despite no-one remembering what turn it was, it was the best game of 40k I have played since I started a few years ago.

grickherder
30-09-2007, 10:04
Lord of the Rings Plastics
Bloodbowl
Foundation Paints
Battle for Skull Pass

Ktotwf
30-09-2007, 10:08
40k and Fantasy are the most amazing universes for each of their respective genres that I have ever seen.

That is why I play GW or wargaming at all for that matter.

andyfair
30-09-2007, 12:06
The shops and staff are absolutely fantastic. There are not many other retailers where you can go and make a purchase and get involved in a lengthy discussion about the product you are buying and you will never be hurried on.

If you take an active part with your store, talk to the people who visit it and perhaps even play the odd game it adds to the positive experience and makes the hobby superb value for money.

twj
30-09-2007, 13:09
As someone who travels around the UK a lot, I love the fact that because GW has been successful, I can find a game (with a bit of research) almost anywhere in the country.

Templar Ben
30-09-2007, 13:11
Lord of the Rings

Why is this a forum if only one side of a position is taken? Just curious.

alexh
30-09-2007, 13:18
Lord of the Rings

Why is this a forum if only one side of a position is taken? Just curious.

Because as the OP stated, this thread is about the good stuff as there seem to be a lot of anti-GW threads.

scarletsquig
30-09-2007, 14:02
- The addition of Foundation paints to the product line has made life a lot easier for a lot of people.

- Despite some of the naysayers, I like the streamlining of the army books and codices, makes them flow much better.

- The new terrain they have been brining out is beatiful and is really taking them to being a complete hobby company.

Agreed.


- Apocalypse is taking 40K to a place where it belonged from the start (mixing armies, no force org, BIG GUNS:chrome:, massiver battles that flow smoothly)
Disagree, but that one's a question of personal taste.
What I do like about Apocalypse is the cheap bulk discount boxsets.
What I don't like about Apocalypse is that these boxsets are splash releases that will be gone in a couple of months.


- what some may say, the charge fair prices for their products [keeping this positive though so I won't go into detail on this one on this thread])

Smart move, I'll keep the pictures of the neat 28mm multi-part plastic models from another company that sell for 50p each to myself. ;)


- 95% of the models they make are very good quality. (newer ones at least)I take it you haven't seen the new daemonettes recently? :p (for the most part, I have to agree, though - the stuff is good quality and really sets a standard for other companies to meet).

miridigi
30-09-2007, 14:23
I feel your pain. Back on topic, one word - APOCALYPSE!!!! I played my first game yesterday and despite no-one remembering what turn it was, it was the best game of 40k I have played since I started a few years ago.

I love this response (as I have just recently played my first Apoc game), it's so true that you lose touch with what trun it is, because your far too occupied having fun!

Templar Ben
30-09-2007, 14:58
Because as the OP stated, this thread is about the good stuff as there seem to be a lot of anti-GW threads.

But then it defeats the purpose of a Forum if only one view is "allowed" to be expressed. I was pointing out how foolish having a GW love fest is on a forum since the purpose is to exchange ideas and not sit around talk about how wonderful we all are.


Lord of the Rings is currently the cheapest game GW offers. It's skirmish level, the models are mostly 60-75p each, making it very easy to get into. A 50 boxset will buy you an absolutely gigantic army. The models are first-class Michael + Alan Perry material. The rules system also works really well, regardless of whether you're playing with 5 models or 200.

LotR is awesome, and is the #1 best decision GW made during the last decade.

There is no "hive mind". It's a forum, people have different opinions. That's mine as far as LotR goes, and I don't even play the game.

The game itself isn't what people resent, they resent the fact* that it made GW destroy the specialist games and slow down development times on 40k/ fantasy. GW could have released a cure for cancer instead of LotR and people would still be complaining about it taking development time away from the other 2 games.

*whether it is actaully a fact or not is irrelevant, whenever people have an opinion about something which doesn't have a straight answer, perception = reality. This applies to human psychology at all levels, whether it's toy solider speculation or the meaning of existance.

I agree on Lord of the Rings which is why I posted that as the good thing about GW. My question was why is it stated in the thread that you cannot post anything bad to contrast other views.

I found this to be exactly my view.


It's a forum, people have different opinions.

I just think it is funny that he started a thread on a forum and then asked us to pretend it wasn't a forum.

Patriarch
30-09-2007, 15:16
I agree on Lord of the Rings which is why I posted that as the good thing about GW. My question was why is it stated in the thread that you cannot post anything bad to contrast other views.


Because the OP was trying to start a thread which isn't swimming with anti-GW bile. There are hundreds of threads in this secton which already do that.

Keeping with the theme:
1) The models now put out by GW are, in almost all cases, far superior to any that have come before. I've been doing this for about 25 years. Most of the minis I've enjoyed modelling with in that time just wouldn't pass muster these days. Standards just keep improving, though I prefer metal over plastics just for gaming reasons (I like weight, and the "cheapness" of plastic isn't real).

2) The current 4th version of Epic, "Epic Armageddon", is far superior to the 2 versions I played and the one version I stuck in the attic as soon as I opened it. Just a shame they won't promote...no...must...keep...positive..!:D

3) GW stores are still fairly intimidating to most females and non-geeky males (my wife won't go in one, but my daughters have no problem). However, they no longer look like the sort of places where the manager "would change his motorbike engine oil" to nick another poster's description. The staff are friendly (sometimes too friendly) but I don't get the impression the stores are as clique-y as they once were.

4) The fluff/background is excellent. I accept that all fantasy stuff is borrowed or stolen to some extent, but GW's is still distinct and engaging. Be nice if I didn't have to buy paperback novels to read any of it, but still...

5) They must be doing something right, because I still haven't stopped enjoying this stuff and spending precious time & money on it.

OK, those are the only positive things I could think of. Thanks miridigi fror making me sit and think about it. I can think of plenty of negative stuff about GW, but that belongs on another thread...

lanrak
30-09-2007, 16:11
Hi all.
Good things about GW staff (Studio,production,support and store staff),tons ...
Creating a 'hobby environmet' that incorages creativity and social interaction.

Developing a wide range of engaging and fun games for all ages.

Designing some of the best game mechanics ever used in a games.(Blood Bowl/Space Hulk 1st ed/LOTR.)

Providing an unending supply of exelent narative and art work.

Providing some truley inspiring models and minatures.

And loads more ,god bless everone of these dedicated talented individuals!

GW PLCs corperate managment and the 'GW just sell toy soldiers to kiddies', mentality.
I can not think of anything good to say about these 'fat and lazy' souless money grabbing leeches at all.

So Ill stop there!

TTFN
lanrak.

leonmallett
01-10-2007, 16:19
Stuff I really, really like:
- the increasing quality of plastics
- the increasing amount of plastics making up specific ranges
- the ethos and imagery of both the WH40K and WHFB worlds
- current WFRP (thanks also to Green Ronin)
- being able to regulalry play WH40K against a gaming mate, both of us buying the original edition about 20 years ago
- the sculpting talents of goodwin and diaz, as well as the strong contributions of so many more
- rules that show evidence of striving to meet their remit: in other words 40K becoming more and more about units rather than uber characters (2nd edition) or one overwhelming tactic (see Rhino rush in 3rd edition); WHFB becoming more about maneuvre than heroes alone, or magic

Osbad
01-10-2007, 16:25
GW have a PR and Marketing budget of hundreds of thousands of pounds which successfully promotes all their good stuff. There's no need for me to add to it...

On a more serious note though - asking for no negative comments is a bit... well, whimpish really. Do those posting "anti-GW bile" ask for "no positive comments please"...? Is it that hurtful to have someone challenge a viewpoint? Or is it somehow that GW's feelings are possibly going to be hurt by negative comments?

The_Warsmith
01-10-2007, 17:01
alot of the time the positive aspects of things are ignored because of the negative things i think the OP was trying to set this straight, bad comments are still welcome (i hope) but balanced with the good too

TheLionReturns
01-10-2007, 17:12
On a more serious note though - asking for no negative comments is a bit... well, whimpish really. Do those posting "anti-GW bile" ask for "no positive comments please"...? Is it that hurtful to have someone challenge a viewpoint? Or is it somehow that GW's feelings are possibly going to be hurt by negative comments?

I always felt that the title of the thread was for steering the direction of the discussion alone. By asking only for good things the debate is which are the good things. Not what are the bad things. I think rather than whimpish the OP is trying to avoid the thread drowning in negative comments which can happen and therefore being useless at finding the good points. As is stated threads for that are not hard to find.

Back on topic:

1. After many years out of the game I really notice the improvement in the standard of the miniatures. Many are truly industry leading.

2. The trend to more plastic is really good for those of us who like to convert.

3. Rulesets have improved for me with the focus rightly IMHO on troops rather than characters.

4. I was originally very disappointed about the dumbing down of 40K and the restrictive nature of the FOC's. However, with CoD and Apocalypse expansions it seems there is a basic core and more varied advanced options which I thoroughly welcome.

5. Customer support is very good, especially on a mail order front. The stores do seem to scare women still and staff can be over enthusiastic at times, but I feel that improvements have been made in this regard.

6. Love the background material, and there seems to have been a real effort to broaden it, especially for 40K. I hope they do the same for fantasy.


I have a few criticisms too but I will respect the OP's wishes and save them for another thread.

RavenMorpheus
01-10-2007, 21:15
Ok, as much as I am negative about GW there are a couple of things I can list as positives -

They do Sci-Fi better than any other company, I find other Sci-Fi games/books etc. to be really :cheese: compared to GW.

The models on the whole are good quality and inspire me to paint (even if I never get around to doing so).

I love the mediaeval/middle ages Germany-esque setting of the WFB/WFRP games/books, other games/books/companies do it and you see it in most westernised RPG video games such as the Elder Scrolls series but for me GW do it the best, I love the Felix/Gotrek novels and the Konrad series was also good.

OMG I just made 3 positive statements about GW :D

The Guy
01-10-2007, 21:22
I think GW deserve to be praised, sure they a bit overpriced but come on they're a company, companies want to make money but some of the things they've done they didn't even need to do. They didn't need to fill codexes and rulebooks with fluff, they didn't need to hold worlwide campaigns, they didn't need to produce all the amazing artwork the list goes on but I think they are amazing. Thumbs up GW :D

Norminator
01-10-2007, 21:27
Something happened on Saturday to me that made me think how nice GW can be at time.

I went into GW Cambridge to have a look around. After drooling at their Apocalypse board for a short while I saw that Descent of Angels was on sale, so I went to buy it. But alas, there were no 1p coins in the till to give me change! So the staffer proclaimed 'Wait two minutes and I'll get you something else!' He runs off, and comes back to give me a free copy of Shadowbreed (RRP 5.99) instead. I just felt really chuffed (probably over so) by it... I left with a smile on my face :D

RavenMorpheus
01-10-2007, 21:33
Something happened on Saturday to me that made me think how nice GW can be at time.

I went into GW Cambridge to have a look around. After drooling at their Apocalypse board for a short while I saw that Descent of Angels was on sale, so I went to buy it. But alas, there were no 1p coins in the till to give me change! So the staffer proclaimed 'Wait two minutes and I'll get you something else!' He runs off, and comes back to give me a free copy of Shadowbreed (RRP 5.99) instead. I just felt really chuffed (probably over so) by it... I left with a smile on my face :D

Hold on - you got Shadowbreed for free because they didn't have any 1p coins? :wtf:

Norminator
01-10-2007, 21:36
Hold on - you got Shadowbreed for free because they didn't have any 1p coins? :wtf:

Yup :D

Shame I don't read Fantasy novels though... might try and sell it.

W0lf
01-10-2007, 21:51
The stores are what makes GW.

What people fail to realise when it comes to the cost of the hobby is thus:

My DA army cost me ~200.

Ive spent like 5 hours of fun making it
~ 60 hours painting it
and ~ 30 hours playing games with it.

Thats 95 hours entertainment not including the enjoyment of buying the models, owning the models or the time spent watching games/waiting for games.

To break it down 94 hours is:

at the cinema is roughly equal to 45 films. Thats 270 at my local prising.
188 games of pool at 94 (less fun and nothing to show for it)
94 hours at the pub (based on 5 hour visits costing 20,with taxi etc) at 376

Get the idea.

and the army becomes worth more the more you use it. After say 50 games ive got around 150 hours of fun for 200. not bad at all.

scratchbuilt
01-10-2007, 22:00
The best fluff and models. The fluff is good in it's own right not just as justification for the game.