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Cal585
14-10-2007, 13:32
Hey all,

I hope to start AI or BFG but I can't decide which. I was hoping someone would be able to tell me the difference in gaming style between the two systems (basically how much they rely on tactics, army composition, lucky dice etc.).
My current thoughts are that BFG runs closer to 40k, in that army lists and positioning of ships, combined with weighing the dice probability is what wins you the games, while AI relies more on the tactical side of things, with maneovures and the like (and having less models).
However, I probably have it all wrong, and was just wondering if some kind person could clarify the main difference between the game systems and roughly how they run.

Thanks for any help/advice you can give.

TheBigBadWolf
14-10-2007, 18:23
I play bfg and i have to say that it is extremely tactical what with momentum, torpedos and the like. I would say that bfg offers more gaming possibilities as you can include them in 40k scenarios such as planet fall, exterminatus, where as i would find it hard to intergrate dog fighting.
Another bonus of bfg is that the models are made from plastic (IN and Chaos Crusiers) and the rest metal so you dont have the worries of the FW release agent. I would say its more than tactics and dice rolls, its really if you want to fight battles with giant ships or dogfight with planes.

Chaplain Nikolai
14-10-2007, 19:07
I too am interested in starting both systems!

I think BFG would be a better choice as the models and rulebook are cheaper, and I also like the idea of huge ships slugging it out in space!

the_yuk
15-10-2007, 22:42
Well the rules for BFG can be downloaded from the specialist games site. Thats what swayed me to BFG from AI. I have to agree i much prefer gargantuan space ships slugging it out over normal sized aircraft.

sigur
15-10-2007, 23:09
I have to admit that I have never witnessed a game of AI, but I'd also suggest to give BFG a try first. Of course you can connect games of AI just as well as BFG with your 40k or Epic games but the advantages of BFG are: You can get the miniatures for cheap and the rulebook plus advanced rules for free. From my experience, I can say that BFG is a fun game. It's tactical and topedos rule.;) My only gripe with the game is that it isn't that exciting paintingwise but it's the same with AI I guess.

Cal585
17-10-2007, 06:11
Sorry I've taken so long to reply but my computer hasn't been the most co-operative recently...:mad:

Anyway...
Whichever way I go, I'd probably end up having to collect two forces to get a game in (not knowing players that collect either but one that would be willing to play against me, just not collect himself yet) and they'd be Tau and Imperials, with the Tau being from Forgeworld regardless (their BFG ships look more Tauish to me).

I suppose I probably prefer the idea of dogfights (because its more personal than massive ships), although I don't mind the idea of Space Battles either. BFG is appealing in that you can link it up in 40k campaigns, although you could probably do a similar thing with AI too (although it might not be as relevant).

When looking at the two games, I see BFG as a more tactical strategic game (like chess), where you are working towards a goal and getting into good positions etc., while AI seems like more of a fast game, where you try and trick your opponent and take any opportunity you can to get an edge.
Am I right? Are they just completly different and it depends on what style of game you like?

Any further comments are highly appreciated (particularly from AI players) and thanks to everyone who has commented thus far.

fattdex
17-10-2007, 08:28
I'd go BFG as it is probably cheaper. Actually, I play AI and not BFG, and I know that both are great games as they both have about an equally large following at our club, but BFG will be easier to get into- but for my money and experience AI is a great game :)

One_Second_of_Insanity
17-10-2007, 08:47
For me it would BFG, we play heaps of the games at our club and it is extremely tactical as others have pointed out plus who doesnt like giant spaceships?

Cal585
18-10-2007, 08:05
Wow, overwhelming response for BFG.:eek: I was originally leaning a little towards AI but now I think I may end up going BFG. I already have half the rulebook printed out anyway...;)

Anyway, thanks to everyone who helped. (I'll now have to see if anyone plays it anywhere near me...). Not sure whether I want to convince my friend to get a Necron fleet, they seem a little strong and don't seem to require tactics as much as other races...:eyebrows:
Anyway, I'll discuss BFG specifically in the BFG forum later.:)

Lord_Squinty
21-10-2007, 00:13
Don't beleive the hype - Necrons are incredibly easy to beat once you know how.
So they definately need good tactics to succeed.
My regular opponents at BFG have NO problem tearing them a new one.
*Except Eldar :) *
And before anyone starts with - "Then you dont know how to play", I have also won a GW Grand Tournament with them, so I most certainly DO know how to use them.
Their biggest strength is not their rules - it's the panic that sets into your opponent because they've been told a million times "they're unbeatable".

Chaos and Evil
21-10-2007, 09:33
I suppose I probably prefer the idea of dogfights (because its more personal than massive ships), although I don't mind the idea of Space Battles either. BFG is appealing in that you can link it up in 40K campaigns, although you could probably do a similar thing with AI too (although it might not be as relevant).

I think that AI links up better with 40k than BFG does.

In AI, you have a small squadron of planes, flying in support of a small patrol force (A full 40k army).

With BFG, you have a dozen kilometres-long ships flying in support of... a small patrol force (A full 40k army).

BFG links up much better with Epic, because you can do justice to the scale of the space conflict, so that when you land on planets to conquer them you use hundreds or even thousands of infantrymen and scores of tanks and aircraft, instead of just a few dozen men and three tanks coming to take over a whole planet. :)

SonofUltramar
21-10-2007, 21:49
Having played bith games since they came out and the fact that they are both two of my favourites i'd say for starting out BFG is probably far more accessible and is a nice rules set that is well established. Plenty of downloads and a huge range of models (for a Specialist game anyway) BFG is definitely the place to start from.

AI takes a little bit more to get into and has fewer missions with a smaller variety of forces but the game itself is not overly complex and is still good fun. Only problem is that it is rather expensive and still finding its feet in the gaming world so to speak?

Cal585
25-10-2007, 12:15
I think that AI links up better with 40k than BFG does.

In AI, you have a small squadron of planes, flying in support of a small patrol force (A full 40k army).

With BFG, you have a dozen kilometres-long ships flying in support of... a small patrol force (A full 40k army).)

I agree with you here, but in the sense of linking up campaigns, a 40k army can be used to represent one part of a whole larger army that is being supported by a fleet. However, you would probably have to make it that only one army can attack at once (like Risk in where the battle is sorted out before the next attack), unless you have an Apocalypse army...

Well, I was going to go for BFG and I thought I had made up my mind but AI is "calling out to me". I don't know, it's something about the dogfights with quick thinking and a fast paced battle that seems really appealing to me. I also really like the way it interacts with th ground in terms of bombing runs etc. I'm not overally concerned about the rules, as I tend to spend more time reading rules than playing games anyway and I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard to get the hang off (I already know how to play both LotR and 40k so I'm not new...). The rulebook is the main thing putting me off. It's darn expensive. Other than that, the models are probably cheaper than BFG. It's postage that's killing me.

Does anyone know (from experience?) whether there are many people who play AI here in Melbourne?

Thanks for all the replies.:)

P.S. Sorry for the lateness in my replies. The computer is struggling at the moment.