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Ravariel
15-10-2007, 04:00
...are your own worst enemy?

I'm the guy who can and will break every expectation of mathhammer out there. I'm the guy who can fail 5/8 saves on terminators (no... not the invulnerable). I'm the guy who can fail to wound even a single time with a full squad of 10 Banshees. I'm the guy who is consistently at 7" after my fleet roll. The one who rolls snake eyes on the Spider assault jump (ooh, 2 whole inches AND I lose a guy, whee!). The guy who scatters perfectly... for my opponent. The guy who can break and run twice in a row at ld 9. ...who can fail 9 out of the first 10 4+ armor saves (I stopped counting after that).

I realize Eldar don't have the largest margin of error... but geez.

Of course, it never helps when my opponent makes 10 3+ saves (out of 10... bladestormwhatnow?)... or 9 WBB rolls (out of 10)...

/sigh

/endrant

M1A2 Commander
15-10-2007, 04:10
Here is what I do:

Step 1: Take offending dice and place in metal coffee can

Step 2: Add gas or other combustable liquid to coffe can

Step 3: Place can in a safe area in back yard.

Step 4: Ignite gas and repeat after me three times........

Anaal Nathrock, Utherass Bethood, Dawthyell Dienevee!


Step 5: Go get new dice.


:D

Penitent
15-10-2007, 04:11
Yeah, play the game long enough and at some point Lady Fortune will bend you over the table and have her way with you.

...though I think the truly ridiculous poor dice rolls stand out from the standard, expected dice results and even the amazing dice rolls.

It happens to everyone. Just tonight, my Banshees charged a five-strong terminator squad and Librarian, scored 7 wounds, then cried as my opponent made 6 of his invulnerables.

Later, a blade-storming DA squad rolled 15 hits for only 2 wounds. I re-rolled, thanks to Doom, to score a whole additional wound.

Thankfully, I still won :)

killa kan kaus
15-10-2007, 04:12
M1A2......... It works!

Takitron
15-10-2007, 04:18
during a recent game, all of my forces on one table quarter had HORRIBLE rolls. when they moved across, they were fine. Take some time to roll the dice around the table and see where there is what I call the "Vortex of Unluck". find that and stay away from it. sometimes your opponent will be that vortex, feeding off your luck to make it unluck. Ive done extensive studies in this area.

thegreyman
15-10-2007, 04:20
Personally, my appeasements to the dice gods involve taking an owned packet of dice, going out to the local large bridge over a river, cutting one of my fingers, smeering some blood on the packet of dice, and tossing them over the rail. Thus the appeasement is both pleasing to the river gods and the dice gods.

I figure hey, I cover all my bases like that, and it usually works....

The UnNamed One
15-10-2007, 05:38
1: Put dice on ground
2: Cover with thermite
3: light
4: Watch those get wiped of the face of the planet

TheNZer
15-10-2007, 05:43
Buy new Dice.

M1A2 Commander
15-10-2007, 07:13
M1A2......... It works!

Oh yes. It works wonders. :D

.....and it's not only 40K. Battletech also. A friend of mine would melt them down with a blowtorch to form a disk and wing it into the ocean when cool. Another friend would take them to the range and use them as target practice. Hitting them with a 9 iron is another good way and relieves stress too.

Ironsides
15-10-2007, 07:35
consider using non-gw dice. I read an article ( I think it was on Dysartes) a while back by a 40k playing physics professor at Arizona State who used student labor/expensive machines to test the accuracy of gw dice. He amassed a huge number of rolls ( in the millions IIRC) and concluded that gw dice are absurdly low-rolling compared to casino-style dice.

of course, you could always just lose your temper and chuck the dice at the nearest wall... it won't improve your luck but at least you'll be able to embarass yourself by having a temper tantrum over a game of toy soldiers...not that I would know anything about that...

TheNZer
15-10-2007, 08:10
consider using non-gw dice. I read an article ( I think it was on Dysartes) a while back by a 40k playing physics professor at Arizona State who used student labor/expensive machines to test the accuracy of gw dice. He amassed a huge number of rolls ( in the millions IIRC) and concluded that gw dice are absurdly low-rolling compared to casino-style dice.


That would Explain alot :D

Adra
15-10-2007, 08:24
also dont forget perception...we have a tendancy to remember the really bad moments as they stick in our minds but that does not mean we do not have good moments.

sly_dog
15-10-2007, 10:14
Grab the offending dice, throw them to the far side of the table, and watch as they roll ludicrously high, then curl up into a fetal position. Happened to me more than once.

Killmaimburn
15-10-2007, 10:29
I have a ridiculously bad history with dice I've been able to roll 8 out of 11 dice as 1s so often it actually doesn't surprise my group, they just all go misty and get me a cold one from the fridge.
I was too quick to anger with my first set of dice, they went on a pyre. (They smelt funny as they burnt, probably the nurgley souls running for cover from the cleansing tzeentch flames). But nobody told me about dice whispers, my new dice when they turned up went on strike at the actions I'd taken against their fallen brethren and were just as bad, so I now after extensive negotiations with my dice have 25 always on holiday in a nice sunny place, whilst the other 25 roll for me. They still don't pull their weight, 3 heavy bolters ate the entirety of a rubric squad last week.
I shall perform my test again soon, for every 6 my opponnent rolls I will make sure to use that dice, if I ,using that dice, roll a 1 it gets chucked at the wall, if there are any dice left on the table at the end of the game, they stay, if not they go somewhere with tails and horns.
I swear I'm putting some dice carvers kid through college:angel:

The_Outsider
15-10-2007, 10:57
The trick - nay "skill" - to using GW dice is to roll them when they aren't looking.

Such finnicky things GW dice.

Or there is another option - but its not easy to do - buy some of GW's dice when they came in those little plastic bag type things, not the tins.

I have a set of GW from then and my luck is ungodly on a regular basis.

Then there is a 3rd and final option - make sure your army is properly consecrated to your dice collection.

This can be the easiest/most difficult depending.

We shall use guard as an example. When rolling the scattar die for a battlecannon/earthshaker/whatever you actively want the numbers to come up high and for a scatter, it typically won't work and you'll get a direct hit :(

It may take a while but proper use of positive thinking and faith does change your luck.

It is also highly reccomended you play the 13th company - they are the luckiest buggers in the game - as my wolf guard can attest. You know you're lucky when a 10 man strong squad regualary requires about 400 points worth of other marine fire to only just take them out.

Korvos
15-10-2007, 11:42
consider using non-gw dice. I read an article ( I think it was on Dysartes) a while back by a 40k playing physics professor at Arizona State who used student labor/expensive machines to test the accuracy of gw dice. He amassed a huge number of rolls ( in the millions IIRC) and concluded that gw dice are absurdly low-rolling compared to casino-style dice.

I don't know if it was posted anywhere else, but it was posted here by Yade.
http://warseer.com/forums/40k-general-discussion/65531-do-you-roll-a-lot-of-1s-a-40k-must-read.html?highlight=40k+must+read

I don't use the tiny GW dice myself. All of mine are standard size or the GW Aquila dice, but I still have spells of really bad luck (mostly with GK terminators).

Sister_Sin
15-10-2007, 11:57
A friend of mine who used to roll like yourself consistently claims he fixed it by taking one dice and wreaking horrid damage on it with a stone and hammer, then put it back in his bag and told the other dice to get a clue. He surely doesn't roll like that these days.

Sister Sin

Holy Crap! Manticores!
15-10-2007, 12:20
Actually, in a situation such as this, I just continue on, as this is the norm for me. I become shocked and overconfident when a series of rolls go well for me, then I get worried.

elvinltl
15-10-2007, 13:46
Yea Chessex Dice is erratic. I ordered this Frosted transparent blue dice that rolled an unsual number of 1,2s and 5,6s. There was this once my Harlequins rolled 8 Rending out of 24 attacks. :D
My 10 Pathfinders also roll an average of 6 AP1 per volley of fire.

knighthawke70
15-10-2007, 13:54
Here is what I do:

Step 1: Take offending dice and place in metal coffee can

Step 2: Add gas or other combustable liquid to coffe can

Step 3: Place can in a safe area in back yard.

Step 4: Ignite gas and repeat after me three times........

Anaal Nathrock, Utherass Bethood, Dawthyell Dienevee!


Step 5: Go get new dice.


:D


same thing but do this;

1. seperate bad from good dice
2. tell good dice,"this is what happens when you give me bad rolls"
3. get a heavy hammer and smash bad dice in front of good dice
4. pick up what's left of bad dice, put good dice away
5. get new dice
6. show brand new dice what happens when you get bad rolls:evilgrin:

Demetrius
15-10-2007, 13:54
Thats pretty unlucky. I suggest using your own dice... not your opponents weighted ones lol.

But the worst rolling Iv ever heard of is a tourny in America... 18 dice... 18 1s
When you get to that stage, thats when you have to start thinking wtf did I do to p*** the dice gods off that much?

knighthawke70
15-10-2007, 13:56
18 1s? dang that is royally fugged up. if that was me i would quit 40k

Xandros
15-10-2007, 14:07
I firmly believe "it" to be in the wrist. If dice don't roll well they don't roll well.

Captain Micha
15-10-2007, 14:10
I tend to have issues with my d20s lately.. (they hate future d20 I swear!) especially Violent... the die in question is a clear violet color but whenever I used to say "I attack" I could all but gaurantee a 17-20 result, with a confirmed crit to follow! and yes this happened -every- time... till future d20.. then it apparently went on strike. as did its brethren! HERESY!

Solution? I'm going to buy another 5 sets just for future d20.

I do the same thing with warhammer... I have dice meant for specific games. (except my d6s who seem to always love me)

Polonius
15-10-2007, 14:40
There are a few possiblities here:

1) Selection Bias. You remember the times your opponent made ten 3+ saves in a row, but you probably don't remember the times he failed 5 or 6 out of 10. Far too few players seem to recognize a good streak when it happens, but everybody notices a bad streak.

2) Depending on luck. Sometimes people expect relatively low probability results to occur, then think it's bad luck when it doesn't happen. It's like drawing to an inside straight in poker. If your banshees are 17" from an enemy unit, they only will reach them 1/3 of the time. As somebody famous said, "fortune favors the prepared mind."

3) Bad Karma. As a former student of science, and a current law student, I respect logic, analysis, and the scientice process. Still, there comes a time when there isn't rationale explanation for a phenomenon. If you're genuinely unlucky, you gotta take steps to change it. Sometimes it's perception; if you think you're lucky you'll be lucky. Sometimes Karma is punishing you for bad actions in the past. And sometimes, well, dice rolls are a way of balancing out outrageous fortune in other areas of your life.

Personally, I don't think punishing dice is the way to improve anything. Dice are a tool of fate, not the fate itself.

The_Patriot
15-10-2007, 14:52
The best way to ensure your dice are loyal to you and only to you is to sacrifice either 3 goats or 3 lambs on a moonless night then bathe the dice in the blood. Whilst doing this you must recite the incantation of ownership and good luck over the dice thirteen times.

Failure to use these instructions in the appropriate manner Cthulu consumes your soul and you go insane.

Renagade
15-10-2007, 16:05
@M1A2 Sorry to hear about your bad luck, I've had moments like too. But hopfully thats about to change, fancy a game.:D

RevenantX
15-10-2007, 16:35
There are a few possiblities here:

1) Selection Bias.

I'm sure this is part of it, in all honesty... but it does certainly seem like when it's important then my dice go tits up.


You remember the times your opponent made ten 3+ saves in a row, but you probably don't remember the times he failed 5 or 6 out of 10.

Funny thing... the 10 3+ saves came the turn after he failed 9/15... then proceeded to make 8 WBB rolls...


2) Depending on luck. Sometimes people expect relatively low probability results to occur, then think it's bad luck when it doesn't happen. It's like drawing to an inside straight in poker. If your banshees are 17" from an enemy unit, they only will reach them 1/3 of the time.

17" sure... how about 13-14"? I'm really not one to expect too much out of my dice anymore. I've gotten somewhat used to my luck, but every now and again it'll surprise me still.


3) Bad Karma.

Right... now I just need to find a way to appease whatever karmic being has it out for me. :p

Edit: lol, wrong account... gogo work computer XD Name up top should be "Ravariel".

RevenantX
15-10-2007, 18:21
Dangit Ravariel, now you're going to get your bad luck on my dice with this haxxor account.

Nkari
15-10-2007, 18:38
Anaal Nathrock, Utherass Bethood, Dawthyell Dienevee!

:D

The charm of making.. :P

Love that movie..

TheOverlord
15-10-2007, 18:39
During the game? I keep on rolling, and hope that my tactics can outweigh my horrendous luck (this has happened many times to me as well, destroying mathhammer in every game I play) which doesn't happen often, as I am often tempted into wild surges of heroic valor and often throw my units into the enemy as often as I can with barely any thought to it's outcome, as long as as the blood flows, I am sated.

Never did bring myself to bother to go out and buy some new dices, but I'm beginning to suspect maybe it's about time I did.

Visionary
15-10-2007, 18:42
Well my personal worst moment was back with the old chaos codex. My raptor aspiring champion had 3 attacks, all hit. I then rolled thrre 1's for wounding, because he had lightning claws i re-rolled and got three 1's!!!
After that those dice became christmas presents for my worst enemies....

M1A2 Commander
15-10-2007, 21:52
@M1A2 Sorry to hear about your bad luck, I've had moments like too. But hopfully thats about to change, fancy a game.:D

LOL!

Well, like any good Evil Overlord, I tend to punish the offending dice before it creates a disasterous result AND it pays to have a set of backup dice to save the day.I've lost 3 RTT games out of 26 due to bad luck dice rolls so I think the dice Gods are somewhat pleased. ;)

WarEagle
15-10-2007, 23:05
I use the out of print IG recruitment booklet to bless my dice be for each battle

MemphisMark
15-10-2007, 23:27
Color Coordination. I use blue dice with white pips for my ultramarines, green and black for my Epic orks, and black and white for my sisters.

I also use the Chessix dice, and stack them the same way in their 3x3x4 dice cube.

Then again, every time I have a string of bad luck, I show them the yellow dice I used to use, which I glued together in a 3x3x3 "super" die, which I use for a turn counter.

Chaplain Ark
15-10-2007, 23:48
its not nescessarlily the dice.

Recently i went to the nearest bunker to have a battle or two and in the same game i

`1. rolled 7 out of 8 rending from my terminators and...

2. Failed 4 out of 6 2+ terminator saves.

I say buy new dice, just not purplish red like mine, unless you like bi-polar dice.

Bunnahabhain
16-10-2007, 02:07
Mine tend not to misbehave too much. This may be as I keep them next to an essential tool for my studies- a Geological hammer. They get the message.

Grimbad
16-10-2007, 02:41
Back when I played marines, I was able to guarantee that at least two of the following would happen, every game: a) The only plasma gun in my army would explode on its first shot, b) My dreadnought would explode on it's first hit from anything but small arms, c) My librarian would explode the first time he tried to do anything.

I have found the following things helpful:

Say "emperor guide my dice" when rolling.
If that fails, say "HWUZU!" instead.
I dunno, works for me.
If you replace yours, save some of your low rollers for leadership tests.

fwacho
16-10-2007, 05:01
One... read yade's aritcle. cna;t rmeber where but look it up.
two... play horde armies. statistics are supposed to start balancing out around 30. (at least that what my college classes taught me. the more dice you roll the better.

USABOB
16-10-2007, 05:08
I think when dice go bad the obvious thing to do is give them away, preferably to a regular opponent of yours, then go buy new ones. Win Win! :p

Groksnag
16-10-2007, 05:22
put them in a bag with a drawstring, hold bag by drawstring, and punch the heck out of the dice to show who's boss. then leave them each in solitary confinement for a week or two.

they learn their lesson for quite some time.

boogaloo
16-10-2007, 06:50
Has anybody else noticed a serious lack of luck with a specific unit. we've all had our moments but i swear to FREEAKIN krist almighty, i've taken a five man Fire dragon squad in about 12 games, and they have never i reapeat NEVER killed a single model, not even a little guant. once they did destroy a defiler, but my opponent and i agreed that i did something wrong, don't remember what now so i re-rolled starting from the to hit, and i missed EVERYTHING.... said defiler proceded to charge me... derned khornate tanks with weapons skills. Fuegan has been pretty smashee in the past for me though

I would just like to take this opportunity to say how cool it is that defilers are fleet now. That's just insanely cool.

GeLLyDeMoN
16-10-2007, 07:05
We all have VERY Bad days. Just the other week we had a mega battle and I was across the table from about 1,000pts of CSM and about 1,500pts Trator Guard. now that sounds like alot until you hear I was running 4,000pts of Nids! I got tore APART!!!! I took out a group of Ogryn and about 6 CSM thats IT!!! talk about crap rolls for a stealers troop list.

feelnopain666
16-10-2007, 14:51
S..t happens, but understand that 40K its a very "dependent of dice results" game insted of strategy. I'm cursed in terminator armour saves and overheating plasma guns. The solution? dont play with them.

ChaosMaster
16-10-2007, 15:36
Buy Vegas-style dice. They are available on Amazon.com in four different colors.

Merceus
16-10-2007, 15:55
We here at Brighton have one rule to deal with these kinds of problems

1) Don't use any die that has been touched by Jim in the past 4 weeks. He sucks the luck out of them, we still dont know what he does with said luck, because he has the most awful dice rolls ever.

inceminator
16-10-2007, 16:11
i have a 'Sgt Major' dice, i have had him for years and used to use it only for the to hit roll on the defence laser on my epic Capitol Imperialis. nowdays whenever i need good, high rolls for a group of dice, i add him to the pile - he knows when i get a little greedy though so use sparingly. Strange but true

and no btw - i dont exactly know how to gender a single dice either

gitburna
16-10-2007, 16:17
...are your own worst enemy?
{Snip the crappy bad luck}
I realize Eldar don't have the largest margin of error... but geez.


Play orks. When your dice only usually "work" on 5's, then suddenly those 1s and 2's dont really matter....

Chaplain Ark
16-10-2007, 23:33
DEFILERS HAVE FLEET?????????

Great, I'm *********.