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LoneSniperSG
16-10-2007, 02:02
Seriously. This isn't a flamer thread or anything. But are we all just insane? I'm asked this constantly, "how can you afford it" .. that was during a period where I was at 70% disposable income (being only 19 and not yet going to college, it's a little different now). Or, "how can you always read about war and stuff?"

We have 40k tabletop, with forge world and bits stores to fuel our cravings for conversions. We have thousands of paints and methods to pick for our painting lusts. We have Specialist games like Inquisitor and Battlefleet Gothic to drill us in deeper into the lore of our fictional universe.

So now I pitch the question to my fellows. My brothers and sisters in .. er.. hobby tools? Are we all a straw short of a haystack or, do we just love the game THAT much?

(BTW, admins, if this is out of place, please bump it, and I apologize in advance :cool:)

Imperialis_Dominatus
16-10-2007, 02:06
Yes. Leave me to my delusions.

Hellebore
16-10-2007, 02:09
I think in a world with a lot of leisure time, people naturally cling to specific concepts.

Most people are comfortable with the thing they know, so we just explore those things we like rather than going and finding something new.

It's no more or less crazy than those people obssessed with gardening, with all the accessories and magazines, or those people obssessed with star trek etc.

hellebore

The_Outsider
16-10-2007, 02:31
However - to be fair- how many other "hobbies" (gardening, being a trekkie to use your examples) are based around a fictional world were the most common thing is genocide? (oh and a little deicide for good emasure).

Xenocidal Maniac
16-10-2007, 02:41
Yeah, interesting thread. I'm wrestling with this myself an awful lot lately, especially now that I've got a new girlfriend...

So far she doesn't seem to mind at all, but, especially with the release of Apoc and the New Chaos dex, I've been buying and assembling an awful lot more than usual. And, I wonder if she notices a ton more stuff laying around everytime she comes over and thinks I'm odd.

Not that I care. I really don't. But it does make me wonder what is in me that makes me want to horde thousands of little toy soldiers. I think it's got to be some kind of instinctual domination urge. What man hasn't wanted to command vast armies, conquer his neighbors, steal their crap, and take their women? And many men thoughout history have actually played these games for real.

I think we are all acting on a natural urge, but, yeah, I still can't figure out just what about this is so damn cool for me and why I spend quite so much time and money on it. It's almost like a second job for me! :)

EmperorEternalXIX
16-10-2007, 02:50
I love real time strategy, and Warhammer is the grandfather of real time strategy.

I love sci fi, and 40k is the home to some of the only truly kick-ass sci fi I've ever been a part of.

I also love aggression, and feel that it is probably indicative of humanity at its most honest with itself. And what better thing to ring that concept true that Warhammer 40,000?

AngryAngel
16-10-2007, 02:52
Yes..we're all a little crazy. Though yeah..being men mostly, that would be the draw. Its our war craving..our violence outlet. In todays society its frowned upon feeling those urges to hurt, fight kill our fellow man. However we still have those impulses because we're the protector of the species. Thats probably about it..and thats why we feel as we do on it.

Though yes we're completely crazy for the money we spend on it. I have no doubts on that.

Vic
16-10-2007, 02:53
I've got 20 years invested in this crack habit. Though it hasnt taken up ALL my time or MONEY.

Besides, I started collecting green plastic soldiers from age 2 until 18, when I switched over to plastic cosmic knights (Space Marines), seemed like a natural progression.

Seth the Dark
16-10-2007, 02:53
Nothing wrong with being a little crazy. Plus, the ladies love the Warhammer nerds!

AngryAngel
16-10-2007, 02:56
Nothing wrong with being a little crazy. Plus, the ladies love the Warhammer nerds!

They so don't and we all know it.

LoneSniperSG
16-10-2007, 02:56
Nothing wrong with being a little crazy. Plus, the ladies love the Warhammer nerds!



Mine certainly does. She called the Baneblade sexy. >.>; I must never let go of her.

Kasonic
16-10-2007, 02:57
I know it's crazy and economically silly.

But at the end of the day I can justify my actions and put down others by affirming that I'm not as bad as the guys who spend even more on model trains, since my models have guns and you can play (intellectual) games with them.

:angel:

Vic
16-10-2007, 03:10
Nothing wrong with being a little crazy. Plus, the ladies love the Warhammer nerds!

Oh yeah, especially that ripe, masculine, yeasty scent you get at a tourney....

Triggerdog
16-10-2007, 03:11
My wife gardens and I play 40k, its that simple for us. I help her with shlepping sod and stuff and lets me jack her old make-up kits and boxes for transporting models and paints.

Imperialis_Dominatus
16-10-2007, 03:15
What man hasn't wanted to command vast armies, conquer his neighbors, steal their crap, and take their women?[/I].

"Conan! What is best in life?"


Mine certainly does. She called the Baneblade sexy. >.>; I must never let go of her.

We'd have to hunt you down.


Nothing wrong with being a little crazy. Plus, the ladies love the Warhammer nerds!

This explains everything!


But at the end of the day I can justify my actions and put down others by affirming that I'm not as bad as the guys who spend even more on model trains, since my models have guns and you can play (intellectual) games with them.

There are worse hobbies, yeah... stamp collecting? Coin collecting? Dare I say Pokemon or any of its dark spawn?

Felworth
16-10-2007, 03:29
However - to be fair- how many other "hobbies" (gardening, being a trekkie to use your examples) are based around a fictional world were the most common thing is genocide? (oh and a little deicide for good emasure).


My friend, you must not understand the sinister and unrelenting nature of gardening if you think genocide isn't required.

For the perfect rose bush, sacrifices must be made. Weeds viciously uprooted and left to die beneath the burning sun, chemicals unleashed to exterminate all insect life for good or ill, the culling of 'unnecessary' limbs or buds to promote a more ascetically pleasing plant...

So much death… so much death…


As for Trekkies… I dunno, aren’t they all cannibals or something? I think I read somewhere on the internet they totally eat people all the time. And babies. Especially babies. Read that somewhere.


So in all, more fictional murder in 40k then actual murder as associated with gardening/being a flesh eating Trekkie. Probably.

galahad67
16-10-2007, 03:33
40K is cheaper than a horse!

end of discussion for my household

suplicor
16-10-2007, 03:34
Crazy? I have 6 game tables in my basement,4-4x6,and 2 4x8.My wife plays 40k. We travel hundreds of miles for tournaments.
Yes,we are crazy.....so what of it?

Dren Krelar
16-10-2007, 03:45
If the original series is any indication Trek is far more dangerous than 40k. Think of all the Red Shirts that died in all of the Enterprise's missions and then multiply that by all the ships in Starfleet. That is an astronomical death rate. :p

When I think about it logically, I know it's not quite "normal" to be spending money time and effort on little plastic soldiers and tanks, but I just love the game, love the models, and love the fluff(although I still have trouble understanding the appeal behind nuns with guns :p ).

But as somebody once told me, there is no such thing as "normal", everyone is weird in their own unique way. :D This just happens to be ours.

Rioghan Murchadha
16-10-2007, 04:20
I love real time strategy, and Warhammer is the grandfather of real time strategy.
Err.. Don't tell anyone, but warhammer is TURN-based strategy... :p


I love sci fi, and 40k is the home to some of the only truly kick-ass sci fi I've ever been a part of.
This is the only insanity in the entire thread.

40k is, let's face it, science fantasy at best. sci-fi has at least a passing base in actual scientific fact or theory. The stuff that exists/happens in the 40k universe is so far removed from any remote possibility of being feasible that to call it sci-fi is akin to calling a poop flinging monkey the president of the United States... It's also horribly campy sci-fantasy at that... (Yes, I still read some 40k novels, and play the game.. but then I'm insane... ;)


I also love aggression, and feel that it is probably indicative of humanity at its most honest with itself. And what better thing to ring that concept true that Warhammer 40,000?

But does it love you back?

I can pretty safely say that when I'm being honest with myself, I don't tend to feel like killing/maiming/enslaving other people. If you do, I suggest therapy.

Triggerdog
16-10-2007, 04:32
I also play because I cant find any company that makes .75 caliber submachine guns that shoot self propelled, mass reactive rounds.

Sergeant Uriel Ventris
16-10-2007, 04:36
I spent $95 to buy the Apocalypse special starter pack, simply for the backpack. I'm not even sure when I'll get to play 40K again, because all my buds want to do is play Fantasy. But now, everywhere I go, it's as if I was a member of the Cadian 8th. And it puts a huge grin on my face.

Hellebore
16-10-2007, 04:38
I also play because I cant find any company that makes .75 caliber submachine guns that shoot self propelled, mass reactive rounds.

Or makes ninja space clowns that fire ninja star space guns and are lead by ninja robot zombies.:cool:

Hellebore

scarletsquig
16-10-2007, 04:44
It is somewhat insane, I gotta agree.

I personally think it's the constructive nature of building and especially "collecting" an army that gives it the mental kick of happiness.

You can work on a squad of models and feel like you're doing something constructive and artistic instead of just wasting another 3 hours on the internet or watching TV. Given the current technology driven entertainment setup, it's nice to have something to do in your spare time and in your house that doesn't involve gawping at a screen.

It's got to the point where I even find really dull stuff like removing mould lines relaxing...

Dr Cuddles
16-10-2007, 04:45
Im really in a pickle.

Im selling both of my armies on ebay right now, making a nice 400$ so far, and was planning on putting a large sum of those proceeds into a new Chaos army. Only problem is, I cant seem to force myself into paying another 250+ for a game that I don't play that often.

I feel especially guilty because i'm the one that made my friends pay 200$+ to join 40k with me. But the 400$+ would keep me alive for awhile, and I know it would make me girlfriend happy to know that I have stopped playing, though she pretends like the doesen't care.

Meh, I guess I will have to decide soon..

Seth the Dark
16-10-2007, 04:52
Im sticking to my guns. Ladies are pleased by the Warhammer goodness...

TheOverlord
16-10-2007, 04:58
Sometimes it's good to be a little crazy. It stops you from throwing yourself off a cliff from the sheer frustration of repitition.

Yes we spend our hard earned cash on tiny model soldiers from the future where death is the only answer to any conflict, but honestly, if that makes you feel happy and contented, I just don't see why anything else should affect your decision to stay with it. If a spouse/partner/family member doesn't see it that way, they don't get a say in it, unless of course it's THEIR money. Better move out, find a job, or get a new partner in life cause a hobby is a hobby, no matter it's source, and it's not exactly unhealthy unless you are already a demented psychopath which by then the game's not exactly to blame for your mental state.

WE ARE NERDS!!!! *kicks a random FedEx delivery person down a hole*

EmperorEternalXIX
16-10-2007, 04:59
I think people misunderstand my remarks about 40k sci fi "kicking ass."

You see, if you read sci fi novels you are going to find that a lot of them revolve around a theory, instead of a concept. 40k is one of the only bits of sci fi I've come across that is consistently "cool" -- and not mucked up with nerd-dom. Hence the infinitesimal masculinity radiating from the game itself.

I also find Warhammer itself is full of nuggets of brilliance that I find to be as enlightening as any number of other allegedly more fulfilling things in the world. It is a great metaphorical representation -- this whole omnipresent war between all things concept.

I find that 40k always seems to have something in it that can be applied to just about anything. One thing we can't deny is that there is something special about 40k overall that draws us into it deeper than most people are drawn into a given fiction.

We spend every day of our lives eating each other's BS. I go to work and tell the boss I hate that I'm happy to be there so I can keep my job, but I'm not; I go to the store and order a sandwich and the guy makes it for me, but he doesn't want to; I drive in, and people are in front of me and could give a crap if I'm late or not.

What I'm getting at is this: The world we live in is blurred by the lines of society and social acceptance. Warhammer 40,000 is a universe of open conflict, where battle lines are drawn and no one beats around the bush. I don't know about any of you, but I love the idea of 40k society's straightforwardness. We could do with a bit more of it in human society these days.

Grimbad
16-10-2007, 05:00
I currently play mostly because I like constructing giant death machines.

blackroyal
16-10-2007, 05:04
I'm not as bad as the guys who spend even more on model trains, since my models have guns and you can play (intellectual) games with them.

:angel:
Intellectual eh? You've never seen the die hard RR'ders then. Work orders, planing routes, doing paperwork... ya.

Imperialis_Dominatus
16-10-2007, 05:11
We spend every day of our lives eating each other's BS. I go to work and tell the boss I hate that I'm happy to be there so I can keep my job, but I'm not; I go to the store and order a sandwich and the guy makes it for me, but he doesn't want to; I drive in, and people are in front of me and could give a crap if I'm late or not.

What I'm getting at is this: The world we live in is blurred by the lines of society and social acceptance. Warhammer 40,000 is a universe of open conflict, where battle lines are drawn and no one beats around the bush. I don't know about any of you, but I love the idea of 40k society's straightforwardness. We could do with a bit more of it in human society these days.

Reminiscent of Fight Club. Are we the Fight Club of Nerd-dom? :)


I currently play mostly because I like constructing giant death machines.

As good a reason as any. :evilgrin:

vulcan raven
16-10-2007, 05:18
If someone comes up to me and says that I'm mentally unstable for playing it i would ask them to provide me with a piece of paper proclaiming their sanity.

If no paper then I'll tell them to build a bridge so they can jump of the middle of the bridge. if they do have a piece of paper I'll tell them that someone else's opinions don't really mean jack to me if i don't know them.

As for how i got into it. I can not remember learning how to play chess, someone in my family taught me how to play and some of my earliest memories are of playing it and not learning it, so when i stumbled upon a games workshop in a shopping center it just became a natural progression. still turn based and still a conflict, a game of kings.

as for the perpetual violence in the stories, i find the open conflict in it far more entertaining considering i can actually recreate it instead of watching TV saying 'oh that is sooo cool i wish i could do .....' or watching something that passes as an excuse for entertainment because the people that watch it lack it in their lives.

And yes I will be the first to admit that i am a warmonger/conquerer/person hell bent on making my plans and taking over the kitchen table. but i play with dice not peoples heads.

LoneSniperSG
16-10-2007, 05:21
(although I still have trouble understanding the appeal behind nuns with guns :p ).


Girls with guns. What more? Although the metal drives me crazy.


Sometimes it's good to be a little crazy. It stops you from throwing yourself off a cliff from the sheer frustration of repitition.


Amen.

Rogue 7
16-10-2007, 05:21
I've discovered that, barring Humor, all of my leisure time is spent in escapism. I have a healthy grounding in reality, I function in society, but just about every single thing that I enjoy involves creating another world and me escaping to it. TV shows- my favorites are those with a rich potential for background so that I can imagine aspects of it that I enjoy. Video games- RPGs are escapism in themselves, and the rest involves concentrations on actions normally impossible in reality. Again, escapism. D&D, which I've just gotten into- escapism, creating a fictional character in a fictional world and playing out his exploits. As for Warhammer, there are several aspects- first is the scope and scale of the universe, where you can find a massively bloody conflict that you can make fit what you want it to fit, creating a fictional environment that is great for you. Painting involves concentration on the painting of tiny figures with minute details- another form of escapism. The game itself is escapism in that you are dealing with tactics and strategy, but moreso the imagination of all of this taking place in real life/lifesized. All my life is escapism, and Warhammer's a particularly rich aspect of it.

TheNZer
16-10-2007, 05:26
Quite frankly nothing would surpris me less then to find I was crazy and i don't care.

In a world where hundreds of thousands die per day where the fastest way to get rich is to profit from others suffering, what/ who isn't a little crazy.

LoneSniperSG
16-10-2007, 05:35
Well, I asked the question, so now it's time I pitch my own answer, eh?

Mine is an obsession for many reasons. I'll provide a list of some:

1. Bolters are just plain bomb. (as in, awesome)
2. Heavy bolters are more bomb.
3. Lascannons pwn any other laser
4. Dreadnoughts are the coolest.
5. Titans stand above all else.
6. Space Wolves: Leman Russ is my favorite Primarch, and in my opinion, the most badass. His wolves and his tank carry on that legacy of dealing it out hard. Rumored that Russ can blast lightining from his ****.
7. Battlefleet Gothic is 1000 times better than Battleship.
8. Land Raiders are rockin. Name another tank that can battle on the bottom of an ocean.
9. Predators in groups of four are just... beautiful.
10. LORE. I love the lore. I've been eating up the Horus Heresy books.

One final reason:

My Space Wolves have given me company atleast 3 nights a week for the last year. I'm never afraid to just sit down and start to work on something when I don't feel like doing anything else. Warhammer has also reinforced a nice little social niche for myself that will be difficult for me to tear down. I don't plan to sell my army for a long time, but time might say otherwise.

Oh, and, there's nothing like the roar of a Baneblade on Dawn of War to help soothe my nerves. :D

(Further note, YAY 100 posts.)

Commander Lance
16-10-2007, 05:38
I'v always had 40K really be like my seperate life. Through high school I didn't tell a soul. My two best friends (one living in the town over and the other a year higher) were my gaming buddies and we played eachother a lot but I was one of those...preps I guess. haha. Not that I picked on other nerds, but I just didn't tell anyone.

After high school I fell in love with my current woman and three weeks into our relationship I told her straight out: "I need to show you something." She had feel in love with what I thought was my 'preppy/popular' side but after taking her to my friends Nerd Night (we like calling them that) she actually liked me more. haha.

Going to college with my best friends helped too and now I just tell people. But for the longest time it was a secret obsession, a cult almost. I debate how crazy I must be: spending a ridiclous amount of money on plastic and paints and books. But its fun, and it tickles my fancy.....

logosloki
16-10-2007, 05:39
You have to be a little crazy to get into this hobby, then a little more to stay in. we're all bat**** crazy but then again everyone is about their main hobby.

mistformsquirrel
16-10-2007, 05:43
I can speak for no one but myself;

But no, I don't think Warhammer fans are crazy. Some? Sure. But you get that with every fandom. Some people will take ANYTHING way the hell too far. (For instance, those people who seem to believe they've developed "jedi powers")

Generally though - there are so many aspects of the hobby that appeal to ordinary people in their singularity...

Well here - I'll run it down.

Firstly - Creative Outlet: Almost every person needs SOME creative outlet; and Warhammer has it in spades. You create background for your army, and their enemies, you come up with colorschemes, you paint those colorschemes, you model and sculpt...

No one considers art to be insane, nor sculpture, nor writing - so why would the combination be anyd ifferent?

Second - War as a central theme: This is essentially the central theme of humanity's short sad existence. Look back on our history as a species - and what seems to ALWAYS be going on? War. Someone is killing someone somewhere over something. I think very few Warhammer fans like *real* war though. I know I don't. Indeed, if I could bring about world peace, I would.

Nevertheless, as a species, we have some violent tendencies; and a safe way to get them out is through fantasy. Some people read history books, others read literature, we play war games.

Thirdly - Intellectual Challenge: Everyone also requires a degree of stimulation of their intellect. Some watch TV, others read books, some play chess - we duke it out across fictional battlefields. The element of strategy and gamesmanship are completely ordinary to human enjoyment.

Finally - Wrapping it all up: Warhammer sometimes may appear 'all consuming' to some, because it fulfills so *many* leisure needs. You've got your creative outlet, you've got your intellectual stimulation, you've got your violent fantasies - all at once within the same universe. There's nothing insane about it - its just a hobby that fulfills aspects that other people would have to fill with separate hobbies. (For instance, Movies, chess, and writing)

So no, I don't believe Warhammer players, at large, are insane; just a few who take things WAY the hell too seriously.

LoneSniperSG
16-10-2007, 05:56
Second - War as a central theme: This is essentially the central theme of humanity's short sad existence. Look back on our history as a species - and what seems to ALWAYS be going on? War. Someone is killing someone somewhere over something. I think very few Warhammer fans like *real* war though. I know I don't. Indeed, if I could bring about world peace, I would.


I once tried to explain that to someone, and they totally did not understand what I was saying. I'm glad to see someone else has figured that out as well. ;)


Although I will say, desire kicked in and I spent $74 on an Emporer-class Battleship kit and a cruiser kit.. I think maybe I should start working overtime on saturday.

gruubii
16-10-2007, 06:11
Well, I don't think crazy is a reasonable assesment. We have a hobby, I know localy its almost unheard of, you work and you watch football. Me, I don't give a rats **** about some overpayed athlete who thinks he is whats important not his entertainment value. I am at some level involved in each part of the hobby, and I have invested time into it, sure instead of watching sitcoms I had rather paint a unit. I am constanty tested. learning new things, all that are useful and adaptible to other situations. I don't get to play as much as I would like but its also a social outlet. Finaly on cost, I used to get grief about the cost of all of it, (I have a stupid amount still in sealed boxes) but the quick shut-up answer was, "Yeah I do have all of this, but then again I don't have 250, $15-20 cd's either," or "Yep, sure it would add up but then again I don't smoke."

Tags
16-10-2007, 06:18
completely

Reinholt
16-10-2007, 06:34
I am absolutely, wildly batshit loonball, regardless of if I play 40k or not.

You're putting the cart before the horse.

Most people play this game because they are already crazy enough to do it; playing the game does not make them crazy, it's just a symptom.

Ahem.

boogaloo
16-10-2007, 06:39
i once heard a video game designer speak on consumer's complaining it's not realistic enough. He said "Of course it's not realistic, it's virtual fantasy not virtually reality, if you want i can design a virtual yardwork program". 40K just has a dammed cool story line. It makes us think about it, and when we think about it we want to act it out, 40K allows us to act it out. I personally dislike dawn of war very much but i found myself playing it because it's got all of the icons i associate with the world. What can i say i like tun based games, RTS just doesn't do it for me

LoneSniperSG
16-10-2007, 07:13
I've faced that rifle line a dozen times by now, gruubii. I felt a pang of guilt today with my BFG orders.. but atleast it's not crack.

GeLLyDeMoN
16-10-2007, 07:13
I know me and my friends have lost are minds. I sit at work and or even stores and see things and think to myself Hmmmmmmm I could convert that haha.. Another friend of mine has Revolved his life style to haveing the most time and money to put into this game! AKA joined the USMC to pay for college and work part time to aforde the game lol.. Another will Base his hourly pay on how many hours he will have to work to buy a new box of troops!

M1A2 Commander
16-10-2007, 07:43
Alittle crazy yes, but when the hobby becomes an obsession, that is when it is truely insane.;)

mistformsquirrel
16-10-2007, 07:43
I've faced that rifle line a dozen times by now, gruubii. I felt a pang of guilt today with my BFG orders.. but atleast it's not crack.

Thats how I look at it.

There are SO many *worse* things you could be spending your money on. Cigarettes, alcohol, drugs, - none of which will benefit you beyond the few minutes of fun you get out of it. Models? You get fun from the instant you get the package until they break beyond repair (which if you take care of them; I don't think will happen too often!)

Plus they don't give you cancer!

vice
16-10-2007, 07:53
Warhammer is a great method of escapism! I can easily spend hours painting, especially if some good musics going!

My group of friends are fascinated by 40k. Some have WHFB armies, but they still read through the 40k sections of the WD. In fact, just this morning in English, I had two very pretty girls enquiring about the titans on the inside cover of this months WD. :cool:

It can get annoying though, especially when we were studying WW1. I kept on looking at tanks, and thinking about how they dont have sponsons, or lascannons, or my mind wanders to the Russ I destroyed last night. :wtf:

Plus, the extremely brutal game we made up (think AFL, soccer, rugby and gaelic mixed, with no rules) was coined Foot of Gork by people who I never thought I'd ever hear say it. :eek:

Also, our homeroom is at war with the popular, pretty, rich people. We despise them and everything they stand for, and the teachers still don't know who put the stinkbombs in their lockers! :p

Dicey
16-10-2007, 07:55
Not so much crazy but mind washed

Imperialis_Dominatus
16-10-2007, 07:58
If this is insanity I don't want to be sane... except the price of insanity is... well, look at my bank account. GW... curse you... curse you to the Warp...

Sephtar II
16-10-2007, 07:59
Yes completely round the wall.

Now excuse me I have to feed the Knarlocs before breakfast or they get gouchy.

Dicey
16-10-2007, 08:00
Vice
it seems you need to speak to "someone". I mean you are discriminating against people because they were born pretty, not their fault. The parents have money, again not their fault. And they are popular? does this mean lots of people like them? well thats no a bad thing. or do you mean american highschool movie popular?

stick to killing green skins

vice
16-10-2007, 08:02
@ Dicey- Yes, think Quarterbacks and Cheerleaders. The sad part is, they know it, so they bully us, for no reason. We've had it for 4 years, so we're giving just a little bit back.

hush88
16-10-2007, 08:02
Of course we are crazy, just look at the amount of money we are paying for cheap plastic, heck, if you are buying FW products, it is even worse that cheap plastic as resin is as brittle as crackers. I bet if each one of us look at the amounts of money we have spent, each of us could have bought a car. So there is it, we are all crazy.

Hmmm before i forget....have to order a box of ass marines from GW and get some deathwing termie shoulder pads from FW, dang they are pretty.

Dicey
16-10-2007, 08:09
Vice
Don't worry about them, but a bit of raw fish left alone for a while, works wonders ;-)

vice
16-10-2007, 08:17
I like your thinking Dicey :)

Anyway, back OT, I can't remember where I saw it, but theres a line in a sig somewhere that states:

"Forgeworld Resin: It's crack for nerds!"

'nuff said, eh?

Maxis Lithium
16-10-2007, 08:21
Madness? THIS. IS. WARHAMMER!

To be honest, I'm probably a little more Obsessed then is healthy, but that's OK. Most of my friends play, and it's often the only thing I enjoy in this dump of a City I'm stuck in. I'd go loony if I didn't have my little soldiers and dice to take out my homicidal frustrations with.

Though the Nazi propaganda quotes in some of the flavor text give me pause sometimes, but "Blessed is the mind too small for doubt!"

mistformsquirrel
16-10-2007, 09:27
For me, part of the fun is being 'the bad guy' compared to what I am in real life <,< so those quotes, which are so very 'anti-me' are part of the fun <'x'> Its also why I love the Inquisition, even if I don't play them <,< Its just getting to do something completely out of character.

(In the real world, I'm a very nice, extremely forgiving and understanding person >.>; thus in 40k I get to be cold, uncompromising <,< and generally an ****; cause the Emperor made me do it! >.>)

Vanger
16-10-2007, 09:52
Yes, we are all crazy. But then look around you are not all people crazy?

Invest in a good drum set or a guitar. What about gambling or beting? You're a die-hard fan of a band and go to all of their concerts? Look into the closet of an avarage woman. See all those clothes and shoes (and bags and accesoires and whatnot)? Go to a techno party and have some drinks there.

You see if you look around yourself and look what other people do in their spare time or what hobbies they have and how much this costs them, then you will realise, that they are as crazy as you. The difference is, that most of us have kept their inner childs (playing with toy-soldiers) and that our hobby is labeled unserious by some dorks, who can't understand the meaning of a hobby.

And yes, ladies admire and value what this hobby involves. The persistence with wich you care about your "dolls", the skills involved in painting and converting (altough women are way better in painting then most men), the taste of colors, etc.
Sometimes its intriguing what your toys and how you handle them and how you behave at the table tell about you.

Despoiler
16-10-2007, 10:01
Plus they don't give you cancer!

unless you work with resin without a facemask.

Xenocidal Maniac
16-10-2007, 10:03
And yes, ladies admire and value what this hobby involves. The persistence with wich you care about your "dolls", the skills involved in painting and converting (altough women are way better in painting then most men), the taste of colors, etc.
Sometimes its intriguing what your toys and how you handle them and how you behave at the table tell about you.

Good post, overall. Many people certainly spend as much if not more than we all do on our toys. Especially if you are into "partying", that can get extremely expensive, and you often have very little to show for it. I probably spend a couple grand a year on this hobby, but I can afford it, and I love it, and I have lots of cool things that I can even pass on to my children to show for it, so I can't complain.

And, I'm not sure if I'd use "I play with toy soldiers" as a pick-up line, but yeah, most of the women I've dated have generally been impressed with my work once they find out. They recognize the discipline, patience, talent, and artistic skill that it takes to paint these very small objects well. I think I've only had a negative reaction from one or two of the less mature ones (one of whom was a stripper, so, you can guess at the maturity level there)

mistformsquirrel
16-10-2007, 10:09
unless you work with resin without a facemask.

Ok ok >.> I'll amend it...

*Most of the time* It won't give you cancer >.>

GildorInglorion
16-10-2007, 10:30
Crazy? People watching TV, or surfing the Internet or chatting for hours, people letting their kids doing that, or letting them video-gaming for hours are crazy.
Doing something that doesn't require any personal commitment and/or any skill is crazy.
Our hobby makes us actively use our own brain, spending hours and hours FAR from any TV-Set. So my conclusion is that we are definitively NOT crazy... :-)

Nick

Imperialis_Dominatus
16-10-2007, 10:36
I resent the comment about video games! :evilgrin: They are a perfectly good form of entertainment, as all things are in moderation. Read the book by Steven Johnson; I think it's Everything Bad is Good For You. Awesome stuff.:p

Anyway, yeah, I like making models and trying to paint them well and failing. Then I proceed to attempt to lead them to glorious victory with similar success. It's all good fun!

Biomass Denial
16-10-2007, 11:15
SANITY IS FOR THE WEAK!!!!

On another note this isnt an insane hobby and it has benfits. I just spent 6 or 7 hours painting one grey knight terminator and now my parents want to buy me a forge world model. Ah ha ha ha ha ha

Imperialis_Dominatus
16-10-2007, 11:18
SANITY IS FOR THE WEAK!!!!

D'oh! *bangs head on table*

Why in the name of all the Chaos Gods did I not use that one? Gods curse it all, that's like my slogan, ask my friends! Argh.... losing my touch, what a shame.

DireAvenger126
16-10-2007, 11:25
I have an obsession with sport (AFL in particular, GO THE SAINTERS), warhammer's just another part of my life. I was sane the last time i checked.

boogle
16-10-2007, 11:29
Apart from reading, it's one of my most utilised forms of escapism, i love the rich background side of things, and that then slides into the army building and modeling side of the hobby

etham
16-10-2007, 13:24
... but yeah, most of the women I've dated have generally been impressed with my work once they find out. They recognize the discipline, patience, talent, and artistic skill that it takes to paint these very small objects well.

Unless you spend way to much time doing it. I know a few players that don't do much other than work and something 40k related. I came close to spending an inordinate amount of time on it at one period and it didn't help my social life at all. An obsessive lifestyle is not healthy. Moderation in all things.

Deadmanwade
16-10-2007, 13:29
What makes 40k crazy? Is it the compulsive obsessive ritualistic painting of all those pieces of plastic? The impulsive shopping? The fanatical clinging to half written rules and arguing over semantics as if they were the word of god? If the answer is yes, then crazy me up.

Everyone needs a something to occupy their mind. At least ours is a hobby that promotes human interaction, stimulates the economy and guarantees Jervis Johnson's children can eat only the finest foods known to man.

Plus this hobby keeps my girlfriend happy. I spend my evenings at home painting instead of drinking with my friends, and when I do go out she doesnt have to worry about me talking to any other women.

NotMyIfurita
16-10-2007, 13:34
Yeah, I'm nuts! I try to assemble, paint, and play 2 different armies with crowds of guys that do nothing else, and 40k is part of a LIST of games. I find way too many things fun, so my armies sit with hordes of dice, card games, board games, RPG books, video games, and boxes for hauling it all to the game store. I have spent more money on games I haven't gotten to play yet than I have on my car!

The really crazy part is, I know I'm nuts and I never stop. Games are fun :)

Culven
16-10-2007, 14:03
My friend, you must not understand the sinister and unrelenting nature of gardening if you think genocide isn't required.

For the perfect rose bush, sacrifices must be made. Weeds viciously uprooted and left to die beneath the burning sun, chemicals unleashed to exterminate all insect life for good or ill, the culling of 'unnecessary' limbs or buds to promote a more ascetically pleasing plant...
Sounds like heretical Slaaneshi worship to me. Killing in the persuit of perfection...:eyebrows:


But as somebody once told me, there is no such thing as "normal", everyone is weird in their own unique way. :D This just happens to be ours.
I was taught that the psychological term "normal" merely means an average of deviance. Therefore, everyone is wierd in some way, just those whom claim to be "normal" have achieved balance in their deviancies. :D


You can work on a squad of models and feel like you're doing something constructive and artistic instead of just wasting another 3 hours on the internet or watching TV. Given the current technology driven entertainment setup, it's nice to have something to do in your spare time and in your house that doesn't involve gawping at a screen.

Let us not forget that one can still gawp at the tele whilst building and painting models. Mind the pointy bits when trying to use a hobby knife and stare at the screen at the same time.

feelnopain666
16-10-2007, 14:31
I like the fluff, and because of that I'm sad about the way the Chaos dex came out. maybe the readers should check the tabletop game of Starship Troopers; its funny, its based on the book (I think the movie sucks), and the rules were made by our beloved Andy Chambers

Vanger
16-10-2007, 14:34
If you have time to date a woman (or more...) then you don't spend too much time with your hobby :)

And if you are so obessed with your hobby that you don't have time for anything else and you don't ever bother to put it aside to have time for something else, that's not crazy. That's sad.

DasAtomkind
16-10-2007, 14:42
IMO better to do 40K than to do drugs, even though the financial requirements are almost the same :D

Captain Micha
16-10-2007, 14:59
40k is plastic crack.. it's that simple!

And yes women do love us hobbyists. (those of us that bathe and take care of ourselves at least!)

Do you have to be nuts to get into the hobby? Oh yes, yes you do.

That being said, I think after you've met that nuts requirement, you are probably more sane than most other hobbyists...

razormasticator
16-10-2007, 15:02
Some people have jet-ski's and classic cars, others have guns and hunting...we have Eldar, Space Marines & Imperial Guard.

Starchild
16-10-2007, 15:06
IMO better to do 40K than to do drugs, even though the financial requirements are almost the same :DAgreed, very true. :p


And if you are so obessed with your hobby that you don't have time for anything else and you don't ever bother to put it aside to have time for something else, that's not crazy. That's sadYes, but the same applies for virtually everything else.

***

Modern civilization is lacking in certain areas. We've lost the spirituality of the past. The late mythologist Joseph Campbell identified the hero stories common to all ancient cultures. Warhammer 40k gives us a way to participate in modern mythology. (George Lucas based Star Wars on much of Campbell's work.)

Real life can be confusing and meaningless. 40k provides some direction and meaning, however fanciful or unreal it actually is. Too, 40k puts us in touch with our archetypes.

As an example, look at Robert Moore Ph.D.'s four main archetypes, and see if you can draw any parallels to the four major Chaos Powers: The Structures of the Self (http://www.robertmoore-phd.com/Th_Structures_of_the_Self.cfm)

Keichi246
16-10-2007, 15:23
Having seen what one co-worker pays for his golf habit (greens fees, balls, clubs, the inevitable alcoholic drinks afterward), what another pays for his football "hobby" (season tickets, the tailgate party supplies, the inevitable alcoholic drinks afterward), and what a third spends on souping up his car (the sporty new car, the new "racing" parts, the inevitable alcoholic drinks while he assembles them -I'm beginning to notice a pattern here :D) - my 40k hobby seems downright cheap.

Virtually everyone has a hobby to relax, unwind and clear the brain of the stresses of the day. My wife loves PS2 RPG games. I like commanding little toy soldiers. Heck - most of my co-workers go "Dude. That's neat!" when they see pictures of my armies. They probably wouldn't do it themselves - but they realize that it is no different than anyone else's relaxing hobby.

Dren Krelar
16-10-2007, 15:35
Girls with guns. What more?

I agree that girls with guns are sexy, but NUNS with guns are creepy. :p


I was taught that the psychological term "normal" merely means an average of deviance. Therefore, everyone is weird in some way, just those whom claim to be "normal" have achieved balance in their deviancies. :D

Balanced deviancies? Forgive me if I say that is slightly head-trippy.

I agree with everyone who has said that this is sort of an uber-hobby that involves aspects of many other hobbies such as model building, painting, playing games, etc.

I just try to limit myself to only buying something new after I've finished assembling and painting what I already have(it also allows me time to save up more cash). Unfortunately I kinda broke that rule because of Apoc, but normally I try to stick to it.

Wraithseer
16-10-2007, 15:46
We are not crazy,football hooligans are crazy. when was the last time you heard about someone getting crushed to death at a gamesday or the last time some one got stabbed for liking orks vs eldar. no warhammer players are eccentric but never crazy.:D

Culven
16-10-2007, 16:10
...or the last time some one got stabbed for liking orks vs eldar....
No, we tend to stab ourselves, hobby knives, files, pin vice, spikey bits on Chaos models, those pointy finials on the tops of the CoD buildings...:rolleyes:

Alx_152
16-10-2007, 16:11
We are not crazy, just addicted to the game.

mistformsquirrel
16-10-2007, 16:28
No, we tend to stab ourselves, hobby knives, files, pin vice, spikey bits on Chaos models, those pointy finials on the tops of the CoD buildings...:rolleyes:

Amen to that lol <X_X> My poor fingers. So many scars...

HorgothTheGreat
16-10-2007, 16:30
Yeah, I for one am off my rocker. *Goes back to making a Chainsword out of a Chainsaw*

Zerosoul
16-10-2007, 17:07
You see, if you read sci fi novels you are going to find that a lot of them revolve around a theory, instead of a concept. 40k is one of the only bits of sci fi I've come across that is consistently "cool" -- and not mucked up with nerd-dom. Hence the infinitesimal masculinity radiating from the game itself.

40k isn't cool. It's stuck in 80's cool. Hence the "spikes = evil" and such. 40k is just as dorky as any other science fantasy, which is inherently dorky. That doesn't mean it can't be fun, but let's not kid ourselves. 40k is fairly juvenile, in the main. It doesn't have to be, but it is, because nobody is interested in the deeper things.

You know what I think would be awesome? Deep, adult background books. I would love a background book about Eldar society that isn't afraid to talk about the mindset of the Eldar, and their society. How does it feel to be a male Eldar taking on a traditionally female Aspect, such as the Howling Banshee(or vice versa)? How do Eldar do courtship? What's daily life like for them when they aren't at war? Not just the Eldar, either - all the races. The bonding ritual the Tau go through has been described as "marriage". What's that like? What's Tau society like when they're not blowing stuff up with railguns? Heck, what do Chaos Space Marines do on a daily basis? This is the kind of stuff that could be cool. Talk about the details. The non-war, non-blowing-stuff-up stuff. Ditch the lame "Space Marines train 23 hours a day and think about training the other hour!" stuff. Let's hear about their rituals. Their warrior society. Their mindset. That's what 40k needs to be cool, or at least less juvenile, and it will never happen. 40k is obsessed with violence. That's fine, because we're playing a wargame, and the codex isn't the place for much outside of how a given race fights - but it makes for bad fiction.


I also find Warhammer itself is full of nuggets of brilliance that I find to be as enlightening as any number of other allegedly more fulfilling things in the world. It is a great metaphorical representation -- this whole omnipresent war between all things concept.

This is the most terrifying thing I've read in this thread. There's nothing wrong in taking meaning where you can find it, but nuggets of brilliance? Seriously? One of the core concepts behind 40k is that humanity can never be free to reach its ultimate potential because that would herald the end of the universe, and those few that do reach their potential are inevitably corrupt unless shackled to a regressive, controlling church-state. 40k is terrifically fascist. That doesn't mean it can't be enjoyable - Star Wars is incredibly fascist as well, but it's still fun - but again, let's be honest here. 40k has no clear, consistent philosophy, but what there is is fascism in a nutshell.


I find that 40k always seems to have something in it that can be applied to just about anything. One thing we can't deny is that there is something special about 40k overall that draws us into it deeper than most people are drawn into a given fiction.

Not true. Not true in the slightest. Look at, say, online roleplaying games - I'm not talking 40k. I'm talking the forum games where people take on the roles of characters from popular fiction. Some of the Harry Potter RPs dwarf Warseer's community. There's nothing inherent in 40k that makes it some kind of universal mythology. It's all about the individuals who are participating. I've long found it interesting that, despite the social nature of things like wargames and RPGs, they tend to draw in geeks, who are, on the main, at least socially awkward, if not downright antisocial. And yet, the most obsessive consumers of the material are the ones who are the most antisocial.


What I'm getting at is this: The world we live in is blurred by the lines of society and social acceptance. Warhammer 40,000 is a universe of open conflict, where battle lines are drawn and no one beats around the bush. I don't know about any of you, but I love the idea of 40k society's straightforwardness. We could do with a bit more of it in human society these days.

You should read some Rousseau. Seriously.


@ Dicey- Yes, think Quarterbacks and Cheerleaders. The sad part is, they know it, so they bully us, for no reason. We've had it for 4 years, so we're giving just a little bit back.

Life is going to be really, really hard once you've graduated high school, my friend.

Killgore
16-10-2007, 17:10
escapism for me

after compleating a hard day at work (now college) i can retreat to a far darker world then mine where nearly anythings possible, daemons, saints, mighty physics defieing God machines of war, heros and villains

plus you get something nice to look at and a great sence of achievement after you finish painting a unit or model that can last for many years... cant say the same about playing xbox for a hobby.

razormasticator
16-10-2007, 17:59
escapism for me

after compleating a hard day at work (now college) i can retreat to a far darker world then mine where nearly anythings possible, daemons, saints, mighty physics defieing God machines of war, heros and villains

plus you get something nice to look at and a great sence of achievement after you finish painting a unit or model that can last for many years... cant say the same about playing xbox for a hobby.

Agreed... although there is nothing wrong with going out on X_box live occasionally and smearing some 14 year olds with the master chief.

Lord_Magellan
16-10-2007, 18:05
I think the only insanity I've personally seen is the genuinely inhuman amount of poor sportsmanship I see around the hobby. I've never seen anything like it. I've seen spoil sports before but we're talking the end of an extreme - and far, far too common for the hobby's own good. This is just something to do to have fun. Toy soldiers, no matter how you dress it up. The way some people carry on is not only disturbing, it's absolutely frightening.

Conversely, I think it's crazy to buy a bunch of metal rods and stand out in the open on any given day whacking little white balls into the distance, so eh, what do I know? I'm a homebody and I <3 my Dark Angels. :)

EDIT:

@ Dicey- Yes, think Quarterbacks and Cheerleaders. The sad part is, they know it, so they bully us, for no reason. We've had it for 4 years, so we're giving just a little bit back.

...I tell ya. This is the elemental divide in high school. it was there when i was in high school (not exactly yesterday) and long before I was born. I was bullied to an insane degree when I was younger, for years on end, and it really warped my head inside out. (Back then, in 1988 to 1992, gaming was still scene by a lot of people as THE DEVIL'S WORK, and I went to a school that had a vocal "moral majority" that loved to obsess over the smallest deviation from the question of "perfect character." Gaming was quite a lightning rod back then). Now, at 33, I don't even think about it. I went back to my high school campus the other day to walk around and I felt such an alien sense of detachment and stillness and absolute *nothing* about the old days that was just plain jarring. Believe me, for *me* to feel absolutely nothing about what I went through then really says something. To wit: Nothing in high school is all that important. it haunts you maybe a short time once your out its halls but by 30 it's just not important anymore. That isn't to say that I'd break bread and have drinks with the people who made my life miserable, but these days, it's so low priority to even think about that it doesn't even register on my emotional scale. Short story version: Let them have their day. Believe me when I tell you it passes, passes quickly, and soon enough, everyone will wonder what the big deal was in the first place. Think John Mayer, and then, forget it all.
...A bit of a digression, true. But I wanted to throw that out.

TzeentchForPresident
16-10-2007, 18:07
Well there are people to collect, paint and or make stuff just to LOOK at, for big money, at least we are using most of the stuff that we collect:D

So I say that we are saner than stamp- /comic collectors, art lovers, those guys with that has a big toy railroad in their basement etc. etc. :cool:

LoneSniperSG
16-10-2007, 18:43
...I tell ya. This is the elemental divide in high school. it was there when i was in high school (not exactly yesterday) and long before I was born. I was bullied to an insane degree when I was younger, for years on end, and it really warped my head inside out. (Back then, in 1988 to 1992, gaming was still scene by a lot of people as THE DEVIL'S WORK, and I went to a school that had a vocal "moral majority" that loved to obsess over the smallest deviation from the question of "perfect character." Gaming was quite a lightning rod back then). Now, at 33, I don't even think about it. I went back to my high school campus the other day to walk around and I felt such an alien sense of detachment and stillness and absolute *nothing* about the old days that was just plain jarring. Believe me, for *me* to feel absolutely nothing about what I went through then really says something. To wit: Nothing in high school is all that important. it haunts you maybe a short time once your out its halls but by 30 it's just not important anymore. That isn't to say that I'd break bread and have drinks with the people who made my life miserable, but these days, it's so low priority to even think about that it doesn't even register on my emotional scale. Short story version: Let them have their day. Believe me when I tell you it passes, passes quickly, and soon enough, everyone will wonder what the big deal was in the first place. Think John Mayer, and then, forget it all.
...A bit of a digression, true. But I wanted to throw that out.

My High School experiences proved that divide wrong. I was in the middle, between the "nerds*" and the "jocks*". Being a person of my large stature, it's only normal that all the football guys beg me to play on the team. Each and every time I said no.

(*Above terms used are not meant to insult anyone, merely to distinguish suspected social classes)

brightblade
16-10-2007, 19:06
better than sitting in front of the gogglebox. it is all about escapism. getting away from work /life issues and relaxing. everybody needs to do that. i would say that any hobby that helps you unwind can't be crazy.

Maarten
16-10-2007, 19:53
As a professional submarine I can safely say I'm not crazy because of playing 40k.

MemphisMark
16-10-2007, 20:34
At least you aren't as crazy as people who do High Power Rocketry. I'm also involved in that, And this past summer I spent about $700 on ONE rocket. That was rocket, parachutes, recovery electronics, motor casing, and $80 in fuel for that one shot.

I lost the entire rocket. Gone. Never saw it again.:mad::cries:

At least you don't lose your units if you lose a game. Consider that.

I figure that I've spent about $1,500 over the past 4 years on 40K units, paints, etc. and I haven't lost a model.

razormasticator
16-10-2007, 20:54
At least you aren't as crazy as people who do High Power Rocketry. I'm also involved in that, And this past summer I spent about $700 on ONE rocket. That was rocket, parachutes, recovery electronics, motor casing, and $80 in fuel for that one shot.

I lost the entire rocket. Gone. Never saw it again.:mad::cries:

At least you don't lose your units if you lose a game. Consider that.

I figure that I've spent about $1,500 over the past 4 years on 40K units, paints, etc. and I haven't lost a model.

Man, Rocketry is one expensive hobby.

mistformsquirrel
16-10-2007, 21:03
As a professional submarine I can safely say I'm not crazy because of playing 40k.

<o.O> You're a submarine? <. .> Are you yellow? And does everyone live in you? >.>

<.<;

*sorry*

(I'm assuming you meant submariner right? >.>)

Green Shoes
16-10-2007, 21:06
Speaking of, did anyone else see that X-Wing rocket destroy itself? I was so happy it did... Not because the dude who made it lost all that money, but because I hate Star Wars.

Anyways, on the subject of highschool and jocks/nerds debacle, I have to say that jocks are just the physically bigger nerds, as at least our hobby has a tangible result, whereas fantasy sports have nothing beside "lol I won the prize" going for them.

razormasticator
16-10-2007, 21:15
Speaking of, did anyone else see that X-Wing rocket destroy itself? I was so happy it did... Not because the dude who made it lost all that money, but because I hate Star Wars.

Anyways, on the subject of highschool and jocks/nerds debacle, I have to say that jocks are just the physically bigger nerds, as at least our hobby has a tangible result, whereas fantasy sports have nothing beside "lol I won the prize" going for them.

Unless you play for money like I do.

Moriarty
16-10-2007, 22:33
O.P. Sorry, your point is?

Chaplain Ark
16-10-2007, 23:05
i think were all a couple cans short of a six pack. and god, i love the insanity.

MadJackMcJack
16-10-2007, 23:09
As a professional submarine I can safely say I'm not crazy because of playing 40k.

Nice one. Yoink!

Glavemaster
16-10-2007, 23:41
Ah. Another thread were we can bathe in the glory of likemindedness.. :p

Yep, you have to be slightly nuts in order to spend the cash on the hobby. But, it's worth it, eh? ;)
I certainly haven't spent as much money as many other hobbyists have, but my conquest for town domination has spawned a liking for the plastic buggers in the heads of my friends. We don't tell everyone we play 40k, but it's no secret.

With the small community where I live, though, the hobby is viewed upon as the very incarnation of nerdiness, mostly due to the fact that people simply don't know what the heck it's all about. Neither do they bother to check. Some certainly think we're crazy. We're not obsessed, either. We all do other things, and yes, that includes the occasional girl. ;)

For me, it's all about the fluff. The amazing world of 40k. That's what caught my interest in the first place, and that's what always will. The rest of the hobby does come close, though.

Whatever you might say, plastics beats crack, every time. :D

Corporal Chaos
17-10-2007, 02:32
Do You Hear The Voices Too?

HorgothTheGreat
17-10-2007, 02:53
Ah. Another thread were we can bathe in the glory of likemindedness.. :p

Yep, you have to be slightly nuts in order to spend the cash on the hobby. But, it's worth it, eh? ;)
I certainly haven't spent as much money as many other hobbyists have, but my conquest for town domination has spawned a liking for the plastic buggers in the heads of my friends. We don't tell everyone we play 40k, but it's no secret.

With the small community where I live, though, the hobby is viewed upon as the very incarnation of nerdiness, mostly due to the fact that people simply don't know what the heck it's all about. Neither do they bother to check. Some certainly think we're crazy. We're not obsessed, either. We all do other things, and yes, that includes the occasional girl. ;)

For me, it's all about the fluff. The amazing world of 40k. That's what caught my interest in the first place, and that's what always will. The rest of the hobby does come close, though.

Whatever you might say, plastics beats crack, every time. :D

I agree with you, I hate people that just brush it off as "what a nerd" or "how nerdy is that stuff"

Pooky
17-10-2007, 03:32
Well, I either play WH40k or I set things on fire... What do you think is better for me to do?

Mandrathrax
17-10-2007, 03:59
although I still have trouble understanding the appeal behind nuns with guns :p


Im sticking to my guns. Ladies are pleased by the Warhammer goodness...
The best fight I've ever played was against a woman playing the Nuns with guns. Meat Grinder, she had the advantage of sustained attack, but the battle was pretty close all the same. in the end, it came down to (with a whole bunch of other strategic things implied here) her last SoB (son of a bitch? NO! Sister of battle) that was anywhere near the place (passes last woman standing check - omg) taking out my Land Raider with her lascannon.
Rolls a 6 for AP, then another one for the destruction-ness. Rolls another 6.

And we're still friends. This is why we need more WH40k FEMALE PLAYERS!


Intellectual eh? You've never seen the die hard RR'ders then. Work orders, planing routes, doing paperwork... ya.

it is never pretty.



For me, it's all about the fluff.
I agree entirely. the only thing better than a fluffy thing is a shiny thing.



I agree with you, I hate people that just brush it off as "what a nerd" or "how nerdy is that stuff"
yeah, the warhammer club gets physically beaten on by the chess club in my school... and you know when that happens, you're low in the food chain.

to add my own thoughts, philosophically, there is no normal. Our societal values frown upon our indulgence in this "hobby". Call us nerds, they do. Tramp on our miniatures, they does. i swear this guy made fun of our games involving dice, and the next day i saw him playing craps....

but hey. if i followed societal values, I'd be a lot less interesting. the girls likes the interesting. I've also learned to embrace the term "nerd". one reason is that a girl I liked at one point had a shirt that said "I love nerds". as good a reason as any, i suppose.

NerdyOgre254
17-10-2007, 04:20
I suppose i'm lucky, because for me it's not too hard to put money aside for minis. my girlfriend is a bit worried about me (and i love her for it) but sometimes i question the validity of spending $1000AUD on minis.
I've been wrestling with the balance between saving up for my minis, saving up for WoW, saving for my future, saving up for my skydiving, and a whole bunch of other things besides. it really stresses me out sometimes.
Example:
I worked some 10 or so hours last week, and for that i got paid $140AUD.
On payday I went to the ATM and:
Withdrew $30 for petrol ($110)
Withdrew $20 for general car maintenance ($90)
Withdrew $20 as general life expenses ($70)
Withdrew $20 for skydiving ($50)
withdrew $50 for miniature saving ($0)
and that's $140 gone just like that. and the thing is, people were STILL asking me to put money away for other things - like furniture and electricity and a million other things besides.
On the subject of the 'nerdiness' of the hobby, i'm glad that i haven't had too much flak come my way, and any time that i have had it, i've gone straight to my boss/teacher and they've provided the righteous beatdown.
I'm more of a painter than a gamer (simply based on the fact that i have no time to play any games) so i think i've become quite good at painting (although my standards are still higher than my ability), and if anyone asks me about it then i tend to stick to the painting side of it, which tends to get them oohing and aahing about it.
Sorry about the long thread though, but think about it like this: we've all got to do something. be thankful it isn't drugs.

Vol'pes
17-10-2007, 04:35
Are we crazy? NO! of course not each of us can easily say the we are not...its the world that thinks we're crazy hehehe THEY think we're crazy but we know better don't we?....heheh yes we dooooo. :D

Cirion
17-10-2007, 04:48
Crazy? No, geeky and addicted to the plastic dope? You bet!
Am I bothered by it? Not really cause when it all comes around it's not a big loss for me if someone looks down on me/don't want to be with me because of it, that's not a person I would have enjoyed spending time with in the end anyway.

killa kan kaus
17-10-2007, 05:06
When looking for answer to a difficult problem involves you flipping through your 40k rulebook looking at the quotes at the bottom you know there is a problem

Invader Nails
17-10-2007, 07:08
If anyone ever calls you a nerd for liking 40K, calmly reply that while everyone else who plays it IS a nerd, you are in fact an ARTIST.

Which is exactly like being a nerd, except you occasionally get laid and generally have more fun.

Dicey
17-10-2007, 09:21
If anyone ever calls you a nerd for liking 40K, calmly reply that while everyone else who plays it IS a nerd, you are in fact an ARTIST.

Which is exactly like being a nerd, except you occasionally get laid and generally have more fun.

And drink mostly green drinks

Vanger
17-10-2007, 10:22
[...] It's all about the individuals who are participating. I've long found it interesting that, despite the social nature of things like wargames and RPGs, they tend to draw in geeks, who are, on the main, at least socially awkward, if not downright antisocial. And yet, the most obsessive consumers of the material are the ones who are the most antisocial. [...]

That's indeed a sad fact :( But for these kind of people 40K is the only real sense of achievment and they overcompensate because they have no real life. But if it's not 40K, then it's something else, like WoW and other geeky-nerdy hobbies.

tau4ever
17-10-2007, 11:08
Now here's a question: Which is nerdyer: 40k players who spend hours in their basement rolling dice to see who's army wins, or DnD nerds like my brother who spend hours in the basement talking about looking around in a dungeon and almost crying when their favorite character is disintigrated by a beholder so that he can't be resurrected?

Morathi's Darkest Sin
17-10-2007, 12:04
Yeah, probably, although I don't see myself any more crazy than the fella who drinks all day cause he's bored with life, or the people throwing their life away on drugs when all they need is a decent hobby. Money wise its a little bit scary, but I never really drank as I thought it was a waste of money, people who blow £200 quid down the club drinking every week, that to me is crazy.

On a side note, I at least also made sure I found a crazy woman to share it with me, I figured a long time ago there was no way I could sit in a relationship if she looked down at my hobby or thought I was odd. (Knew a few older gamers when I was younger like that all 3 of them split from their wifes during the 7yrs I knew them,) so when I found my future wife who was a gamer as well as I woman I could love, I knew she was the one.

But ye, I think we are a little crazy, but then isn't Humanity?

Green Shoes
17-10-2007, 12:08
Now here's a question: Which is nerdyer: 40k players who spend hours in their basement rolling dice to see who's army wins, or DnD nerds like my brother who spend hours in the basement talking about looking around in a dungeon and almost crying when their favorite character is disintigrated by a beholder so that he can't be resurrected?

After comparing all the DnD players to the 40k players in my area, I'd have to definately say the DnD players. At least where I live, the 40k players are, on the whole, socially apt people, whereas the DnD players (not all mind you) can be the very epitomy of nerd.

Vanger
17-10-2007, 13:12
The crazyest would be if there were 40K LARPers :eek::wtf::skull::eyebrows:

Captain Micha
17-10-2007, 13:27
you made my head explode...

though watching them play with chainsaws would be entertaining

dcikgyurt
17-10-2007, 13:32
YES!

We are all about as sane as a sack of badgers. On acid. In a mental institution. With a padded cell.

However, I think is is mostly due to the fact that all GW games seem to promote being nuttier than squirrel poo. Just look at orks, skaven, etc.

mistformsquirrel
17-10-2007, 14:43
YES!

We are all about as sane as a sack of badgers. On acid. In a mental institution. With a padded cell.

However, I think is is mostly due to the fact that all GW games seem to promote being nuttier than squirrel poo. Just look at orks, skaven, etc.

*eats another acorn* ...

LoneSniperSG
17-10-2007, 16:16
A sack of badgers, eh? Sounds fun.

I've often wondered about some of the things they whip up. It's not every day someone thinks of evil, armored rats trying to take their country over, or liquid-living-metal Gods, hellbent on sucking the galaxy dry of life.

So what about the reverse? What makes us, when faced with Necrons, want to grab a box of Marines or Guard or Orks and take up the fight?

AbyssRaven
17-10-2007, 16:27
every one is slightly crazy in some way.
We spend hundreds (thousands) of dollars/pounds/pennies/franks/euro's/buttons on this hobby, but its one we enjoy.

And its better then alot of hobbies TBH.
Look at online gaming.
40k Builds motor skills (painting detail ect.), steady hand. It causes fast thinking, and logical (tactical) thinking. So overall, whilst we spend money it improves us as well.
now like i said above, online gaming. All that is is sitting in fornt of a pc for 5+ hours a day getting fatter, slowly going blinder and not really getting any benefit besides the "fun" factor (And yes i played online games for about 5 years, im not just a hater, i have done it)

And as to the whole, based around war and death and genocide -shrug- im sadistic that way :p

The Song of Spears
17-10-2007, 16:33
My friend, you must not understand the sinister and unrelenting nature of gardening if you think genocide isn't required.

For the perfect rose bush, sacrifices must be made. Weeds viciously uprooted and left to die beneath the burning sun, chemicals unleashed to exterminate all insect life for good or ill, the culling of 'unnecessary' limbs or buds to promote a more ascetically pleasing plant...

So much death… so much death…


As for Trekkies… I dunno, aren’t they all cannibals or something? I think I read somewhere on the internet they totally eat people all the time. And babies. Especially babies. Read that somewhere.


So in all, more fictional murder in 40k then actual murder as associated with gardening/being a flesh eating Trekkie. Probably.

This post made my day :D

And Buddha save us all if any warhammer nut gets a hold of a real army

AbyssRaven
17-10-2007, 17:04
And Buddha save us all if any warhammer nut gets a hold of a real army

We would be safe if this happened, cause they would have to repaint the entire force to match their other models, and painting those tanks with GW paint would take awhile..

The Song of Spears
17-10-2007, 17:53
We would be safe if this happened, cause they would have to repaint the entire force to match their other models, and painting those tanks with GW paint would take awhile..

Hahaha, indeed, I stand corrected. I hate to think of what he would do to the soldiers if he thought he was "over in points"

Captain Micha
17-10-2007, 18:08
hopefully be nice and send the 'extra guys' home?

Mr Zephy
17-10-2007, 18:12
Force them into crates with foam lining, so that the detail he has painted on their body armour isn't scratched?

MadJackMcJack
17-10-2007, 18:19
Wouldn't be so bad for the British Army. At least Guard equipment works....

sandpeople
17-10-2007, 19:14
Crazy? I have 6 game tables in my basement,4-4x6,and 2 4x8.My wife plays 40k. We travel hundreds of miles for tournaments.
Yes,we are crazy.....so what of it?

You are my hero!

By the way, about 9 million people play yhe same online computer game about a fictional world. And lots and lots of other people invest in video game systems which are much more expensive than any GW army.

trigger
17-10-2007, 19:19
Yes we are crazy,
but only for paying the money we do.


BUT its my money and il spend it how i want:evilgrin:

Adra
17-10-2007, 19:23
Ive never been sane but i dont thing 40k has anything to do with it. I could be playing with computer games that have death and blood seeping through em. my neice collects BRATZ dolls who advocate shopping and fashion as the most important aspects of life. i am any worse with my genocidal dark future? maybe. i say we are all the same...messed up in the heads.

mistformsquirrel
17-10-2007, 19:57
This post made my day :D

And Buddha save us all if any warhammer nut gets a hold of a real army


We would be safe if this happened, cause they would have to repaint the entire force to match their other models, and painting those tanks with GW paint would take awhile..

Now I'm imagining someone trying to write up a 1500pt list for using the National Guard in a Tournament <x,x>;

"Ok, C Company - you've been cut, go home; you're over my points limit. And uhh... Take the Abrams and those two howitzers with ya, they're too many points as well. I mean no sponson guns... yeesh..."

naked_surfer
17-10-2007, 20:18
Ive tried loads of hobbies over the years - sports, martial arts, computer games etc and theyre all good fun but none of them quite do it for me like 40k. Whenever I feel a bit harsh or stressed i sit down and do a bit of painting and 99% of the time, it sorts me out.

And yeah, it costs money but so do most hobbies/interests/sports. I know people who are into kite surfing - the cost is rediculous! Thousands (of £s) for the basic gear then youve got lessons, wetsuits (both summer and winter) plus the petrol getting to the beach. I actually reckon the cost of warhammer is towards the cheap end compared to most hobbies.

heretics bane
17-10-2007, 20:41
So what if we like to push plastic men about a small area for a few hours! damn it im proud of my men *punch's chest* Just because we are intrested in a universe where a gun and some nuts will get you through the day dosnt mean where all crazy or sick minded just wonderin what society will possibly turn into. Any way its good fun mingling with mates and painting and still having a good stradagey based game.

As a chav once said as her son looked into the shops windo "Get him away from there, i dont want him to turn into a wee geek!" i replied "Whats wrong with wanting to be intelligent?"

srgt. gak
17-10-2007, 21:40
I like hearing im crazy... gives me an ego boost.

cowzrnomatoh
17-10-2007, 21:55
I like hearing im crazy... gives me an ego boost.

As does the world!

Greatoliver
17-10-2007, 22:51
Well, I'm absolutely bonkers.

RavenMorpheus
17-10-2007, 22:58
Well on the financial side those of us in the hobby on a limited budget are all insane imo

On the other hand we maybe quite sane - we understand the frailties of war more than the average joe in the street because we read about it and play "war" all the time and I don't know about anyone else but I'm not shocked by it as most people are.

Maybe it's me but when I hear reports of 1000 Talebannies being killed to 60 of our guys getting injured I just go "hmm, not bad for being badly outnumbered" I put this down to the desensitising that 40k and the GW hobby (along with FPS games) have provided me, I do of course sympathise with all the peoples families of those injured or killed whether they are enemy or not - war is hell whichever way you look at it ;)

Mandrathrax
17-10-2007, 23:09
Now here's a question: Which is nerdyer: 40k players who spend hours in their basement rolling dice to see who's army wins, or DnD nerds like my brother who spend hours in the basement talking about looking around in a dungeon and almost crying when their favorite character is disintigrated by a beholder so that he can't be resurrected?

Well, I play DnD, WH40k, WoW and most of the games in those Genres.

the sad thing about the steriotypical DnD player is that DnD actually requires a group of 5 people to get a good game going. It's very social. Same thing with WH40k, but on a larger scale, with tournaments and such. Ok WoW I'll admit doesn't require as much face-to-face interaction, but at least there's Vent.


"hmm, not bad for being badly outnumbered"

one is never outnumbered. one is simply in a target-rich environment

srgt. gak
17-10-2007, 23:16
hmm i never thought about it like that. i guess we do know more about war than the average man. which explains my craving to build an underground milarary bunker that i can use when the new y2k comes about.and d and d players take the cake when it comes to nerdyness. When youre forced to abandon youre search for a cool commissar blister pack because you can hear a bunch of werdos talking bout an imaginery dungeon where their fairy warrior was just eviserated by a toad instead of the coolness of a 40k player saying in a fake winny voice" ive got a 5+ involnerable safe how bout that bunch of bull"

qoute takin from a Bluetable painting battlereport.

Mandrathrax
17-10-2007, 23:22
hmm i never thought about it like that. i guess we do know more about war than the average man. which explains my craving to build an underground milarary bunker that i can use when the new y2k comes about.and d and d players take the cake when it comes to nerdyness. When youre forced to abandon youre search for a cool commissar blister pack because you can hear a bunch of werdos talking bout an imaginery dungeon where their fairy warrior was just eviserated by a toad instead of the coolness of a 40k player saying in a fake winny voice" ive got a 5+ involnerable safe how bout that bunch of bull"

qoute takin from a Bluetable painting battlereport.

Yeah. they're pretty much equal, but really. there are those of us that balance social-ness with so-called "normal" people and so-called "nerd games". but really. some of the stuff "normal" people do makes me sick.

ObiWan
17-10-2007, 23:30
WE are completely nuts!!!!!!!! :D

srgt. gak
17-10-2007, 23:31
I no waht you mean. Those people who have more fun having their lifestyle revolve around whatching what the movie stars do instead of doing something cool like whatching tv, reading, or killing everything that moves within a 6 x 4 foot table.

Mandrathrax
18-10-2007, 23:32
I no waht you mean. Those people who have more fun having their lifestyle revolve around whatching what the movie stars do instead of doing something cool like whatching tv, reading, or killing everything that moves within a 6 x 4 foot table.


and other things as well. for instance, some preppy girl at school has been dating this goth guy. for 10 months. i have no idea who either of them are, mind you, but I'm guessing: hey. 10 months. must be working out. but these two people are saying that the preppy girl is "slumming it". i really hate when people do that. relationships are bitchy enough without other people acting like total ******. i wanted to hit them.

next time one of them makes fun of warhammer, i'm gonna smack them with how sick that made me.

srgt. gak
18-10-2007, 23:44
i know how you fell ive only been in high school for a few months and ive already witnessed the brutality of girls attacking girls. It brutal

Mandrathrax
19-10-2007, 00:50
i know how you fell ive only been in high school for a few months and ive already witnessed the brutality of girls attacking girls. It brutal

Haha. I think i understand why people reject society... you know those things about schools suspending people for **** they post on facebook? now i know why they do it. at my school recently, a whole bunch of people who i knew and respected to some degree had a great time instigating suicide. the girl who was being told to "go off and die cold and alone" had stalked someone, but still. the retardedness there was off the charts. one girl stood up for her. like i'm talking adepta sororitas defense here.... it was insane. i read the transcripts a few days later.

The only reason i haven't rejected society is because I'm sure that this **** isn't all it's about.

woah. off topic.

srgt. gak
19-10-2007, 01:20
yep i no the story. one girl was goaded one time to many and willing infected herself with staff shes dead now. and i thought west viginia was peacfull

Mandrathrax
19-10-2007, 02:39
She didn't commit suicide, but she was told to at least 10 times. Good for her.

n00bLord
19-10-2007, 03:47
Keeping this on topic...

Crazy? Maybe, I don't obsess about the hobby (sometimes I do) but what can I say. I'd rather paint a buncha toy soldiers then get wasted, parties aren't my thing, nor is drugs and smoking. I got a buncha unpainted minis that need some TLC, but that makes it hard and has stopped all model purchasing so I can get something done. One thing is that I do enjoy the fluff, especially the older stuff.

At least this hobby isn't as bad as my main one, MMA, which I am way into, and my friends don't like the occasional kicks, knees, elboes, and arm bars and circle locks either. Sadism maybe? Yes a little bit, But WH40k just fills a huge portion of my hobby needs and it has surpassed gaming for me in terms of enjoyment.

Invader Nails
19-10-2007, 07:57
Just for the record, 95% of the people in my area who play 40k have pretty serious social problems of some kind, whereas 95% of the people I've played D&D with were too cool for school.

All in my own experience, of course.

cruzcontrol39
19-10-2007, 09:49
Keeping this on topic...

Crazy? Maybe, I don't obsess about the hobby (sometimes I do) but what can I say. I'd rather paint a buncha toy soldiers then get wasted, parties aren't my thing, nor is drugs and smoking. I got a buncha unpainted minis that need some TLC, but that makes it hard and has stopped all model purchasing so I can get something done. One thing is that I do enjoy the fluff, especially the older stuff.

At least this hobby isn't as bad as my main one, MMA, which I am way into, and my friends don't like the occasional kicks, knees, elboes, and arm bars and circle locks either. Sadism maybe? Yes a little bit, But WH40k just fills a huge portion of my hobby needs and it has surpassed gaming for me in terms of enjoyment.

Hmmm...interesting i thought i was the only fighter geek around. Everyone i know is shocked that i am into 40year old virgin stuff. I'm into everything nerdy ie. comics, xbox, mmo's, trek, GW, D&D yet i am an alpha male that has a fight comming up tomorrow and probably one in Rage in the Cage in Dec. Crazy? Nope just a normal dude who is into cool sh#!t:evilgrin:

Mandrathrax
19-10-2007, 12:23
Just for the record, 95% of the people in my area who play 40k have pretty serious social problems of some kind, whereas 95% of the people I've played D&D with were too cool for school.

Most of the people i know who are into either are into both, and usually sort of like me. kinda awkward when it comes to the femmes, but nothing too bad.


Hmmm...interesting i thought i was the only fighter geek around. Everyone i know is shocked that i am into 40year old virgin stuff. I'm into everything nerdy ie. comics, xbox, mmo's, trek, GW, D&D yet i am an alpha male that has a fight comming up tomorrow and probably one in Rage in the Cage in Dec. Crazy? Nope just a normal dude who is into cool sh#!t:evilgrin:

that's excessively 1337.


of course, i think we're all crazy. but who isn't?

Kriegsherr
19-10-2007, 12:52
Hmmm...interesting i thought i was the only fighter geek around.

Well, I'm training Kung-Fu since '97, and started Capoeira and Rapier Fencing recently. I'm also into 40k since about '94, and into other GW Games partially. I play Computergames since the dawn of time. And yet I also like to go to a Party once in a while or socialize with non-geek friends (Altough I never met someone that doesn't have some geek-crush... be it fashion-nerds, Movie-nerds, or just work-nerds :) )...

Am I Crazy? For Sure! Do I care? Of course not!

Inquisitor Skyshadow
19-10-2007, 13:05
everyone else in my town spends there spare cash on booze and drugs. i spend mine on tiny men made out of plastic and the worst thing this hobbie has done to me so far is a small cut with an exacto knife. now whos the crazy one?

Jimbobjeff
19-10-2007, 16:24
I dont suffer from insanity...I enjoy it.
Im not crazy the voices said so.

etc etc.....

Seriously though I must be crazy to spend the amount of cash I have done on models....

Adra
19-10-2007, 16:49
The implication that dating a goth guy is tantamount to a table top war game hobby is the funniest thing ive heared all day.

Its so true...

Grand Warlord
19-10-2007, 16:52
Well the way I see it ... if i didnt spend the money on this hobby ... id just spend it on something else lol

Kriegsherr
19-10-2007, 17:18
Well the way I see it ... if i didnt spend the money on this hobby ... id just spend it on something else lol

How very true!

If I don't waste my money on toy soldiers, I waste it on training-weapons, renaissance-clothing, sport equipment, games, books on rapier-fighting or school-books on Information Science, Metal CDs, things like food or toilet paper....

And to be honest, only one or two of the items mentioned above are really necessary to survive ;)

But in the end, Money is there to live from it, and not to save it... Yeah, maybe I'll be sorry for this attitude when I'm older and don't have an income anymore, but chances are good that I'm dead by then, or at least not in a state where I'm able to really use excessive amount of money anymore.

In the end it all comes down to what is important in life to you.

Right at the moment its like this for me:

survival > friends > sports > toy soldiers > school & work > videogaming > party > girls > saving up money > (about 300 minor things snipped) > having kids and a family ;)

So yeah, Toy soldiers are pretty high on the list

Chaplain Ark
19-10-2007, 21:57
Well, I either play WH40k or I set things on fire... What do you think is better for me to do?

the latter.

thelightbringer
19-10-2007, 22:15
40k its great! I also do reenactment and happily married!Oh I am a professional gardener and most people really dont have a clue!! So many people watch gardeners world and think they are an expert!! yawn!!

thelightbringer
19-10-2007, 22:17
trust me 40k is more worthwhile then sticking it up your nose!!

mistformsquirrel
19-10-2007, 22:18
Haha. I think i understand why people reject society... you know those things about schools suspending people for **** they post on facebook? now i know why they do it. at my school recently, a whole bunch of people who i knew and respected to some degree had a great time instigating suicide. the girl who was being told to "go off and die cold and alone" had stalked someone, but still. the retardedness there was off the charts. one girl stood up for her. like i'm talking adepta sororitas defense here.... it was insane. i read the transcripts a few days later.

The only reason i haven't rejected society is because I'm sure that this **** isn't all it's about.

woah. off topic.

It's not. Trust me, at your age, I was ready to pretty much say 'eff it' to the world and just live in my own little imaginary bubble forever.

But as crappy as people can be - there are good ones out there too.

Won't say more cause I'd get very far off topic, but seriously, don't give up on humanity, just keep your eyes out for idiots - there's a lot of them to avoid.

Mandrathrax
20-10-2007, 01:06
Well, I'm training Kung-Fu since '97, and started Capoeira and Rapier Fencing recently.


I do archery. It gets me outside, because otherwise I'm painting or on the computer. That's where I meet most of my friends. The best thing is, my parents pay for the archery. so my cash is not tied down when it comes time to get warhammer.

srgt. gak
20-10-2007, 03:13
im like frickin jedi with a claymore, so no youre not the only one out there cruzcontrol39. And yes it does seem like im crazy to spend so much money on models. Mabye if all the fighter geeks get to get together and go to gw we could.... never mind.

Grazzy
20-10-2007, 13:17
Yes we're slightly insane, but there's nothing wrong with that. Everyone needs to go crazy and lose themselves sometimes...

Easy E
20-10-2007, 14:11
The crazyest would be if there were 40K LARPers :eek::wtf::skull::eyebrows:

I sense a new hobby.

Quickly, I must find a sewing machine and a forge!

Oh, and to the original poster:
In an insane world only the insane can prosper;
yet only the prosperous can truly judge what is sane.

Agrip. Varenus Denter
20-10-2007, 18:11
Crazy? No.

I work well over 60 hours a week (people never see what teachers do when we're not in the classroom) and on top of that, I've got horses, a donkey, dogs, cats, and degus to take care of. To say that I'm stressed out from time to time is an understatement.

Painting and gaming in the world of 40K relaxes me and keeps me from going crazy. I've far from a disposable income, but when I have the money to get something I do so and never regret it.

PlasticFork
20-10-2007, 18:18
"how can you always read about war and stuff?"

I'm studying War and Society. The stuff I study isn't even made up...

I collect it for escapism. It's the same reason why I read books and play computer games.