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sing Sang a song
18-10-2007, 02:25
im planning to start 40k at jan but im stuck on choosing wat kind of army i wanna start so wat army will be best for me to start if im looking for balanced and mid pts cost army?

RavenMorpheus
18-10-2007, 02:28
Well seeing as you haven't mentioned the almighty $ I'll assume your not bothered about $ to points ratio.

And even if you were I would suggest an SM army as they're fairly balanced as a rule. ;)

CommisarMolotov
18-10-2007, 02:58
Yep, Space Marines are a good place to start. Good troops, easy to paint, easy on the ol' wallet.

Lord Merlin
18-10-2007, 03:04
But everyone plays SM. I'd say start dark eldar. No really don't. Start one of the core four as I call them. SM, IG, tau, eldar. The most widely available forces in my eyes.

Crisis Man
18-10-2007, 03:08
Id say space marines they are a balanced army and give you a good understanding of the game

Xenocidal Maniac
18-10-2007, 03:09
What about Chaos? Sure, they're Space Marines, but they're a bit different, and lots of fun!

I recommend Chaos for you!

Imperialis_Dominatus
18-10-2007, 03:28
*chants*

Chaos Chaos Chaos!

Go for it!

Clang
18-10-2007, 03:39
orks will be the hot new army in Jan, with a great new pile of models

but if you're looking at second-hand armies, space marines is the easiest (but boring) choice

TheOverlord
18-10-2007, 03:48
chaos, you know you want to!

orks too, just cause their new models are good enough to make even this chaos lover wanna go green :D Although orks will be far harder to start because of the sheer amount of models you'll need to paint.

Pekel
18-10-2007, 06:45
Tyranids are great fun to write lists for, assemble, and play with. Very flexible and a wide variety of army compositions to suit essentially whatever you want.

Plus they look the prettiest. ;)

Vexbane
18-10-2007, 06:51
Tyranids are great fun to write lists for, assemble, and play with. Very flexible and a wide variety of army compositions to suit essentially whatever you want.

I will agree with that as well. Nids are great! Good points costs can be a horde or elite army. Plus the sight of all those menacing looking evil bugs is awesome! Go watch Aliens or Starship Troopers and tell me I'm wrong. Or play Lst Planet for the 360:).


sidebar: How do you get someone's name in the quote box?

Elric101
18-10-2007, 08:00
Since we're all giving biased answers or saying play space marines, I'll say what you shouldn't play.

1. Don't play Space Marines- the Ass-startes are too damn arrogant for their own good. Something ridiculous like 50% of GW sales is SM also.

Now that that's over and done with, now to my biased answer

Play Imperial Guard, better yet, play a radical IG army which has been broken off from the imperium after the astartes left them for dead during a tyranid assault on a hive world, leaving the IG to evacuate before the planet was nuked through orbital bombardment. Although technically, that's my regiment.

Now for the honest answer,

Play any army, it matters not which one. If you're into warhammer for the long haul and are committed, you'll doubtless start many more
armies over the years. Despite my annoyance at space marines, they are a nice army which I might even have collected if I could get past everyone else collecting them and they way GW treats them as their favoured ones. There ain't a right or wrong way to choose an army. It took me two armies before I found my first true love the Imperial Guard. Just be prepared for anything.

The IG are very balanced and appropriately costed, and don't let anyone tell you that we lack close combat. Rough Riders own nearly everything, and for everything else there's the battle cannon. Priceless!

On a final note, Good Luck!

Enanus
18-10-2007, 08:22
But everyone plays SM. I'd say start dark eldar. No really don't. Start one of the core four as I call them. SM, IG, tau, eldar. The most widely available forces in my eyes.

You might be forgetting Chaos Space Marine as widely available, IMO. Also, in january da orks 'ar commin' back, ya know, they're going to be a good army to play with, for sure!!

Darkseer
18-10-2007, 08:27
Don't go chaos.
Unless you're doing a Thousand Sons theme army they suck mightily.

As a first army you can't go wrong with marines or Tau.

Imperialis_Dominatus
18-10-2007, 08:57
Unless you're doing a Thousand Sons theme army they suck mightily.

Disagreed. Chaos rock my socks. Go home. :D

Brother Loki
18-10-2007, 09:22
The best advice I can offer is look at the pages for the different armies on the GW website, which each have a 'getting started with this army' type article. Read a bit about the play-styles and the backgrounds of the different armies. Only you can decide which army is right for you.

You want to be spending your money on models you will enjoy painting, and then playing with. To find your perfect army will be a mixture of models you like, background you think is cool, and the way they play on the table. If you're near a GW (or independent) store, go in at weekends to see different armies in action, and talk to the staff or other players. If you have other friends who play, get them to give you some games with their models.

The other thing I would suggest is to take things slowly - If you go out and buy an army all at once, you may find it very daunting to paint. I would suggest you collect a 400 point combat patrol, then take it to a 1,000 point army, then to 1500 and so on.

destroyerlord
18-10-2007, 10:26
If money is a problem then 'nids, orcs and imperial guard probably aren't for you. Each of them has it's own benefits other than this though. Orcs have great flavour, and are nasty up close, guard can throw out more firepower than almost any other army, and 'nids can go either way (plus they look sweet when painted well).
Space marines are overused, although they do make a very balanced and powerful army (good combat troops, decent shooting, and tough vehicles). Chaos are pretty similar really, they just have prettier (subjective) models and a different theme.
Necrons are extremely tough and throw out a lot of firepower, although for many people the army is a little bland, since there is no variation in the basic troops.
Tau have great shooting with their basic troops, and lots of fun specialist units.
Eldar can be hard for new players to use (one of my friends has just started 40k and simply hasn't to grips with how to use them yet).
Dark eldar are a great army with currently little support from GW and poor models. I would wait until these guys get an update if you want to play them.
And that leaves the inquisition, which I don't know much about. They can take space marines or imperial guard in their army, so they have a good amount of variety, although I don't know how competitive the armies are.

fengor
18-10-2007, 10:31
Just go into a store and take a look at the different armies.. several stores even have different codici you can flip through. ake a look at each of them and then buy what appeals most to you fluff wise.

Luke
18-10-2007, 10:38
Do Tau! They are so good they make my eyes bleed. Seriously, nothing puts the willys up your opponent like slapping down about 12 various battlesuits in 1000 points and diving them all over the table taking down all sorts from Gimperial fart troopers to landraiders with crazy high strength long range weapons and those nifty jetpacks which will infuriate the hell out of everyone you fight :P


TAU FTW!

LawrencePhillips
18-10-2007, 10:52
for a first time player I'd always recommend a balenced army as there will always be a chance of winning any game.

All armies are suitable, but there are so many marine players.
Many new players dislike horde armies as it take too long to get an army ready, so i'd suggest a balenced Tau, Necron, Eldar or SOB army.

sprugly
18-10-2007, 10:55
wow... its so easy to see the difference detween people here actually trying to help and those just going "Collect my army!!!"

Me, i got a few armies that i love. Tau are consuming my mind at the mo. But hell, i'd have every army possible if i had the cash.

As much as people hate it space marines are the army that 90% of people start with in 40k. and with good reason. Easy to paint, few models needed, means you can get playing nice and quick. They're also not to challenging tactics wise as they good at just about everything. But i supose the point is they're good at it all but not really great at any 1 thing. It depends how you want to play the game as much as anything else. Tau/guard are fantastic shooty armies, Orks/Tyranids are great close up armies. But even then you can tailor pretty much any race to fight how you want to.

The most important piece of advice i could give is choose a force you like the LOOK of. At the end of the day you have to paint a whole army of the little buggers, and you're not gonna wanna paint anything you consider to be bland looking models.

sprugly

cringle54
18-10-2007, 11:18
I have a friend who has started playing a necron army, and with about 2 months experience, has been rolling the veteran league (4+ yrs XP) with relative ease. Has any other new necron players found instant success or is he just a born winner?

Elric101
18-10-2007, 11:43
If you want the best long-range firepower army, go IG.

When you are choosing an army, it's best to ignore aspects such as price and amount of models, taking into account the finer aspects such as background, theme and miniatures.

Sure, a lot of people play SM, but how many continue to do so as their primary army. My guess is not many. They are nice if that's your thing though.

Disreagard monetary costs, if you want to go cheap you're probably playing the wrong game.

Same as with hordes. If you like the way hordes play, but hate to paint vast amounts of troops, do it any way. In the end you'll learn much more about the hobby and your army in particular- and the satisfaction of seeing your 100+men on the table lovingly painted is quite amazing.

Not much else I can say really, choose the army that appeals to you most. If you can't choose write down the possibilities and play eliminations from there.

Once you've narrowed it down to two or three, buy one of the codex. If you pick it up and get a "That's my army" feeling, you've probably made the right choice.

There is no army that is better to start than any other, you WILL lose battles regardless, you just have to choose an army that you love so much it doesn't matter too much. With persistence and determination, every army can become competitive in the long run.

Xenocidal Maniac
18-10-2007, 11:45
Don't go chaos.
Unless you're doing a Thousand Sons theme army they suck mightily.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

No clue. Not even the slightest.

UncleCrazy
18-10-2007, 16:08
go with an army you like the look of, first then go with an army you like the play style of.



Edit: also remember that this is a hobby and not a game

Luke
18-10-2007, 16:23
No clue. Not even the slightest.

No clue. Not even the slightest. Take a look into what Darkseer has done and achieved here on WS and in the wargaming world.

Xenocidal Maniac
18-10-2007, 17:12
No clue. Not even the slightest. Take a look into what Darkseer has done and achieved here on WS and in the wargaming world.

I really don't care who he is or what he has done. It doesn't make him exempt from making stupid comments. Having a billion posts on Warseer doesn't mean you are always right.

Luke
18-10-2007, 17:29
I really don't care who he is or what he has done. It doesn't make him exempt from making stupid comments. Having a billion posts on Warseer doesn't mean you are always right.

post envy? :p

Enanus
18-10-2007, 17:40
IMHO: First love the looks, second love the fluff, third see to it that its "general" playstile suits you. Last, if it's a soon to be uptodated army, WAIT!!!

There are always people that simply do it the other way around. A friend of mine wanted marines as second army, thought "BA are cheesy" but hates everything that has to do with the Empire. So, he plays a renegade faction of the BA that hasn't turned to chaos but rather wast to establish a more democratic system in the Empire. It's not that I like this point of view but hey, it's his army.

In the end if you like the game you'll end up sooner or later with more than one army (it has taken me 15 years to choose a 2nd one, so busy have I been :D)

floyd pinkerton
18-10-2007, 18:27
Right, I'm going to ignore the handbags and bitching we're seeing here.

I'd strongly suggest starting with marines of some flavour. sure they might be 'boring' or whatever, bit they damn well are good for beginners.

Easy to play and paint.

If you want to get creative, leave that till after you're finished with your marines.

Oh, and welcome to the hobby:D

RexTalon
18-10-2007, 19:44
Judging by the spelling in your original post, I'd say you're a perfect candidate to play Orks.

RexTalon
18-10-2007, 19:45
I really don't care who he is or what he has done. It doesn't make him exempt from making stupid comments. Having a billion posts on Warseer doesn't mean you are always right.

It's like Xenocidal Maniac has a sig making maching plugged into his computer.

Imperialis_Dominatus
18-10-2007, 20:42
post envy? :p

Nah, I'd go for "doesn't give two sh*ts either way." :p

boogaloo
18-10-2007, 21:32
I say chose an army that suits you fluff wise. That way whatever happens you;ll be attached to your army and enjoy it. I love my eldar, slightly bored with my necrons, the necrons are my relief frome exorbident thinkin about eldar tactics. Necrons = get up, move your 6 inches, send the scarabs at that big heavy squad at turbo speed, and shoot. Eldar = mind numbing farsight and tchnical rules manipulation, of headachey goodness. Couldn't tell you 'bout other armies. Tau = shooot, 'nids = assault

fwacho
19-10-2007, 00:29
Balcaned at around 1500 points with a nod to the wallet.

Space marines are quick to paint (spray base coat wash with dakr color or highliht, add symbols) They are forgiving. but they get old quick. If you want a fully painted (6-7 clean blue silver color scheme that doesn't hurt the eyes) sm army at a fair price pm me.

Eldar have a bit of learning curve but you can make almost any combo good enough for casual games. could probly get them cheap on ebay. (I have two completley different eldar armies.)

Ig have a lot of model to paint and can be rough on teh wallet. they really do best in a mechanized form but that is expensive. They're sit and shoot can get boring.

Bloodangels are a good SM varient. codex is free online at GW website. look it over. you'll get to move around alto and can flavor them nicely.

Ork are being redone in Jan. They' will be very move and shooty. so if you like handling your models they'll be alot of fun. painting forgives a bad paint job so long as you get skin right. look like a whole lot of fun to play with a miminal learnign curve

Chaplain Ark
19-10-2007, 01:47
my opinion on everyone

SM-Well balanced, less strain on the wallet, extremely common.
Eldar-More difficult to play but fun non-the-less, somewhat common.
IG-Needs to be tank heavy to be very useful as troops are weak, unless vostoyan or tallarn, less strain on wallet
Tau-Kind of gay with shooting, commonish, strainable on wallet.
Necron-strong troops, other choices weaker or flawed, but good.
DE-Unfortunately don't know about troops, hard to find.
Chaos-Large troop choices, strong units, intresting but somewhat common.
Tyranids-not much shooting, great CC capabilities, cheaper by small numbers.

if i missed any please say so. i tried to be leniant on everyone.

RexTalon
19-10-2007, 04:29
IG-Needs to be tank heavy to be very useful as troops are weak, unless vostoyan or tallarn, less strain on wallet

I disagree. I've fielded entirely infantry forces against Tau and won. The heavy weapon choices outrange just about everyone. The plastic models make things much cheaper. If you buy now you can get three tanks at a significant discount. You won't get a deal like this for a lot of other races.

I don't know what Chaplain Ark means by "...weak, unless vostoyan or tallarn..." A guardsman is a guardsman. It matters how you kit them in your army list, not how the model is sculpted.

Also, Chaplain Ark, you forgot Orks.

Trilbydude@Dragon
19-10-2007, 17:33
Don't go chaos.
Unless you're doing a Thousand Sons theme army they suck mightily.

As a first army you can't go wrong with marines or Tau.

How can you possibly discredit CSM and vouch for SM in the same breath?!??!!! THEY'RE EXACTLY THE SAME!!! Except that CSM all have CCWs and Bolt Pistols as standard. Which, as anyone can Easily tell you, is GOOD. And anyway, CSM have a better background.

Chaplain Ark
19-10-2007, 21:47
Also, Chaplain Ark, you forgot Orks.

dam i knew i forgot something. so..

orks-IMO not a good army for a new player, but very interesting, highly expensive for Apoc.

sing Sang a song
20-10-2007, 00:51
thx for everyone's help~~!!!!!
so i have decided to do either CSM or tyranids and i will be the judge for that
once again thx ppl!!!!!!

Mandrathrax
20-10-2007, 01:16
Disagreed. Chaos rock my socks. Go home. :D

Yeah! What the hell??? Who disses the Chaos? NOOBS! Chaos r0x0|2 my s0x0|2z. bigtime.

Chaos was my first army, and I've only done one other WH40k one, IG. I even play HoC in fantasy.

Chaplain Ark
20-10-2007, 02:17
thx for everyone's help~~!!!!!
so i have decided to do either CSM or tyranids and i will be the judge for that
once again thx ppl!!!!!!

do both. hahaha. jk

Now that is a good way to suck the money out of someone.