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john-connors
18-10-2007, 14:48
Why are there no brown Space Marines? We have red ones, blue, green, black, grey, purple ones - even yellow space marines. Hell, I can remember when Blood Angels were orange...;)

So why no brown Space Marines?

Captain Micha
18-10-2007, 14:49
You really don't want an answer to that...


because Space Marine noses are already brown

Calindor
18-10-2007, 14:50
a intersting question. I think you can get your brown marines very good looking. I saw someone on the net that had done desert mariens with bron/yellow colours and it was very good. So I think it can be well done. Anyone that perhaps got some pictures?

Jedi152
18-10-2007, 14:53
Harry's Desert Lions (in his painting log) are a light brown, and they look pretty damn effective. I'm planning trying a test marine in Kommando Khaki soon, so we'll see how that comes out.

I think brown is a little too much like camo for all the current 'official' chapters. We know how they hate not being seen from 5 miles away.

possessed
18-10-2007, 14:59
While I was in my not so local GW when I picked up the new chaos stuff I saw a kid playing with a brown marine army. Very desert themed and they looked great really so it's not a color to be avoided for an aspiring marine imo.

Colonel Stagler
18-10-2007, 15:00
Raptors Chapter are nearly brown

Mad Doc Grotsnik
18-10-2007, 15:02
It could be argued, fluff wise, that it's the same reason as they rarely use Camo patterns nowadays.

Nothing says 'Your going home in an Anti-Grav ambulance' than a squad of 7' tall power armoured Psychopaths stegging it at your position making no effort to hide and shrugging off all you can throw at them!

john-connors
18-10-2007, 15:07
I always thought it had something to do with the connotation that brown is a less than brave colour. Didn’t Imperial Fist turn golden a couple of years ago before returning to yellow another less than brave colour?

Mad Doc Grotsnik
18-10-2007, 15:09
Not that I'm aware of!

I guess it's just one of those colours that gets overlooked a lot. Plus, having painted Flagellants, Brown needs lots of tones on each model to avoid looking crap, which Marines don't really lend themselves to in my opinion.

The_Outsider
18-10-2007, 15:25
Simple reasons:

1) Brown isn't nice on the eye for showcasing models.

2) It has a striking resemblence to body waste.

3) You can't mix a lot of colours with it without making horrible horrible contrasts.

john-connors
18-10-2007, 15:29
Simple reasons:

1) Brown isn't nice on the eye for showcasing models.

2) It has a striking resemblence to body waste.

3) You can't mix a lot of colours with it without making horrible horrible contrasts.

I have seen brown Tau, and they have smooth armour?

Stella Cadente
18-10-2007, 15:35
considering how much stick Ultramarines get for being blue (smurfs) do you really think any chapter would want to paint there armour brown, Imagine the nicknames

The_Outsider
18-10-2007, 15:42
I have seen brown Tau, and they have smooth armour?

Tau however are smalelr mdoels and their large flat smooth areas on the armour get broken up by the cloth on the arms, ridges on the shoudler pads etc.

Marines however have far more flat areas that are harder to mask with multiple colours (i.e shins, shoulder pads etc).

Asylum
18-10-2007, 15:45
It could just be a matter of pride.
Brown is too close to camo. A SM who hides may be seen as weak and not representing the Emperor in a grand fashion.

Bookwrak
18-10-2007, 15:50
Some people might say that brown is simply neither an exciting nor a striking color scheme. The Ouroboros Razors would of course object to this statment, and seek to correct this heresy with extreme prejudice. But since they're an original chapter, most people haven't heard of them.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y182/bookwrack/sm.php.png

leonmallett
18-10-2007, 16:01
I'd refer to Reservoir Dogs for an insight into similar discussions (using the analogy of not wanting to be Mr Brown).

As for GW's motives? Brown merges somewhat into the terrain and/or basing colours. The two major green armoured chapters use a dark green and a vivid green respectively. Brown (as a neutral colour) is just not that arresting or vivid, and given the prominence of imagery, recognition, and Space Marine armies, that is very important.

Ozendorph
18-10-2007, 16:29
You don't see a lot of brown in national flags either. It's just not a bold color.

thecadian
18-10-2007, 16:34
Also colours like purple and orange arn't used a huge amount.

I guess the primary colours look better from a distance ie on a gaming table

Raven1
18-10-2007, 16:41
I think there are not very many browns, because it's not a very bold color. Space Marines want to be seen. To the average person they would be downright frightening.

I think that unless it is done carefully, or with much thought it would like crap...literally and metaphorically

The_Outsider
18-10-2007, 16:48
Hmm, I suspect a bronzy liek brown would work.

Its hard to explain, imagine a slightly darker shining gold but it still has the metallic shine to it.

That could work but it would be a goddamn nightmare to mix up correctly.

Xenocidal Maniac
18-10-2007, 17:09
I've thought about this myself. I think brown would make a striking color for space marines! My Imperial Guard army is brown. And I think it would look really nice on the large, round surfaces of Space Marine armor. In fact, I would do it myself if I didn't already have a brown army.

Spleendokta
18-10-2007, 17:14
Brown space marines are really easy to dip tho. :P *braces for flame impact*

MrBigMr
18-10-2007, 17:47
I'm making an SM chapter that has khaki armor. That's brown(ish), right?
http://warseer.com/forums/science-fiction-project-logs/89972-siege-kings-sm-chapter-when-marines-meet-the-ig.html

Gwedd
18-10-2007, 18:17
Comrades,

FWIW, the Warhammer 40,000 Compendium, GW 1989, has several illustrations of Space Marines in different camouflage designs, as well as a few pages of camouflage painted Rhinos and Land Raiders.

While there are no actual BROWN base-color marines, there are several illustrated with khaki/tan combos and others of a deeper suntan-color.

The gist seemed to be that, although a Chapter has a specific colour-scheme, it could be modded or overpainted for various assignments, such as white-washing for winter or ice world assignments, etc.

Respects,

Stahlgeist
18-10-2007, 18:24
Brown wouldn't be too bad as long as you have a striking contrast color. A deep chestnut brown with gold and bright red trimmings, maybe. Or a light unsaturated brown with tan and white trim?

graveaccomplice
18-10-2007, 18:24
It doesn't stand out, and has a tendency to blend in with certain terrain. Speaking as a nid player who uses a camo scheme, it's frikking annoying to play a game and find out you forgot a unit somewhere in the trees. I've forgotten about my biovores more times that way...

Don't get me wrong, I love the color scheme (and will someday add more detail), but I have to pay more attention to my list in forest settings.

Emperor's Grace
18-10-2007, 18:30
Does no one remember the "Rock Badgers" by Shawn Kilgore?

Brown, white, and orange, IIRC.

They went to a GT or 2 and were featured in WD.

Looked cool as heck.

kazkal
18-10-2007, 18:31
Brown with tanish white color would be nice imo :O
Chapter:MuG ^_^

Stahlgeist
18-10-2007, 18:37
Brown wouldn't be too bad as long as you have a striking contrast color. A deep chestnut brown with gold and bright red trimmings, maybe. Or a light unsaturated brown with tan and white trim?

Sorry added examples to my previous post ^^^

El Presedente
18-10-2007, 19:18
I'm planning to have my Free Company Space Marines to be brown, though thats because I'm basing them off Mercs from Medieval 2: Total War

Cheesolith
18-10-2007, 19:39
Raven Guard Succeror chapters have a good reason to be in camo colors since they are supposed to be stealthy.

Orbital
18-10-2007, 20:00
Why are there no brown Space Marines? We have red ones, blue, green, black, grey, purple ones - even yellow space marines. Hell, I can remember when Blood Angels were orange...;)

So why no brown Space Marines?

I actually have a friend who did up a pretty decent army of brown marines and you know what? They were darn good! Not only was the brown a really nice look, but it was also really fresh; a nice change from the jewel colors that a lot of people use for their marines. Sure you got a bunch of adolescent nitwits calling them "Poopmarines" (I... uh... may have been one), but I thought it was quite impressive.

RavenMorpheus
18-10-2007, 20:04
Why are there no brown Space Marines? We have red ones, blue, green, black, grey, purple ones - even yellow space marines. Hell, I can remember when Blood Angels were orange...;)

So why no brown Space Marines?


Something to do with people asking "where have you been sticking those then?" I suspect.

Brown imo isn't a very good color, it's rather bland and doesn't lend itself to very good looking models when used in large quantities.

boogaloo
18-10-2007, 20:20
for the record i know a girl who plays brown space marines, space wolf models using blood angel rules and traits. If that's not a rarity i dunno what is.

Orbital
18-10-2007, 20:41
Brown imo isn't a very good color, it's rather bland and doesn't lend itself to very good looking models when used in large quantities.

Black, white, grey... those are all very bland colors, but they get put to great use on many occasions.!

Chaplain Dionitas
18-10-2007, 20:48
Black, white, grey... those are all very bland colors, but they get put to great use on many occasions.!

Right but those colors in one way or another have represented something i.e. Purple representing royalty etc... Brown represents...

Orbital
18-10-2007, 20:52
Right but those colors in one way or another have represented something i.e. Purple representing royalty etc... Brown represents...

I mean this with no disrespect intended, but I think that so long as the people you're playing against aren't in grade one you shouldn't have too much trouble. :)

Rhamag
19-10-2007, 03:26
Life is full of strange coincidences. Last night, after 3 years of indecision about what colour to paint my small Marine army, I decided to try brown, and painted a rough test model to check it out. Tonight, I decide to post a pic to see what people think, but had the sense to do a Search first. And lo! This thread appears, started the previous day.

I used Calthan Brown over black, with a few washes of watery Scorched Brown, with stronger Scorched Brown for the crevices. Haven't sorted out a highlight technique yet. Also apologies for the pic quality. I have to use my phone camera, and haven't got the hang of the lighting yet.

Going to try black shoulder pads with gold/brass trimmings.

EDIT: As for why the Marines are brown, I have some vague ideas about chapter(s) based around the old-skool elements (and funktastic) Earth, Wind and Fire. These brown Marines will be from the Earth part, specialising in tunnel-fighting and also using Drop Pod rules to deep-strike from tunnelling machines kunningly krafted out of plastic bottles. Melta weapons will be prolific as they come in handy for making new tunnels and massive range is less important underground.

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h320/Rhamag/Warhammer%2040K/DSC00005-2.jpg

Corax
19-10-2007, 07:56
Another problem for you all to consider. What do you call a Chapter of brown Space Marines? Brown Hornets? Brown Bears? Sounds a bit lame to me.

Orbital
19-10-2007, 08:14
I think there's some latitude there. Crimson Fists are yellow, after all.

Bookwrak
19-10-2007, 08:42
Imperial Fists are yellow. Crimson Fists are blue. Except for, y'know, their fists.

Anyway, why would you artificially limit yourself by forcing yourself to include the color in the name? Note that chapters are not named with sillyness like, 'Blood Red Angels' "Green Salamanders," or "Grey Space Wolves."

Orbital
19-10-2007, 08:45
Dammit. I always get that wrong.

You can test me on Craftworlds, though. Go ahead! Try to stump me!

;)

Ilmarinen
19-10-2007, 11:01
Skull Bearers are brown and an official chapter.

St.Germaine
19-10-2007, 11:34
I don't have any pictures of my Sunhawks on line but I do have a pic of their scheme:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/Sunhawk000/Sunhawks.jpg

dugaal
19-10-2007, 12:17
well if anyone has seen the space marine gallery (http://uk.games-workshop.com/spacemarines/chapter%2Dgallery/5/) on the US GW site you can see the Raptors chapter. Doesnt look bad at all!

Ive been recently contemplating a Marine army, and though I was going with a Codex grey scheme, I thought about augmenting it with a brown
second example (http://bolterandchainsword.com/sms.php?bpe=787777&bpj=787777&bp=787777&bpc=787777&hdt=787777&hdm=787777&hdl=787777&ey=0951D9&er=787777&pi=787777&nk=787777&ch=787777&eg=D4C648&sk=C9B475&abs=787777&bt=787777&cod=787777&ull=787777&lk=804404&lll=787777&lft=787777&url=787777&rk=804404&lrl=787777&rft=787777&slt=787777&sli=804404&srt=787777&sri=804404&ula=787777&lel=787777&lla=787777&lw=787777&lh=787777&ura=787777&rel=787777&rla=787777&rw=787777&rh=787777&bg=FFFFFF&rb=0A0808&gr=666666&wg=true&be=BBBBCC&hsk=true&aq=true&dm3=true&lightshade=true&chps=CC0000&ti=FFFFFF&bs=000000&rkg4=EBEEF5)

or check this mashup;
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g233/Stevix/67b3.jpg

Penmarch'
19-10-2007, 15:08
Simple reasons:

1) Brown isn't nice on the eye for showcasing models.

2) It has a striking resemblence to body waste.

3) You can't mix a lot of colours with it without making horrible horrible contrasts.

In fact the most harmoneous tri- colour combination is BROWN/Gold/Orange

Killing with a Smile
19-10-2007, 16:11
I always thought it had something to do with the connotation that brown is a less than brave colour. Didn’t Imperial Fist turn golden a couple of years ago before returning to yellow another less than brave colour?

I think pre heresy Imperial Fists were extremly bright yellow and after the heresy they were more of a darker yellow....i could be wrong.

As for brown marines.....hmmm im sure hundreds of people have got a brown space marine army, just generally not a very nice colour to paint. and ohh I remember when Blood Angels were orange haha u even had Citadel Colour paint Blood Angels Orange:)

Jedi152
19-10-2007, 16:16
Welcome to the forums!

Blood Angels Orange ... that takes me back. I've still got it in my box somewhere i think. The Space Marine paint set was the first thing i brought.

razormasticator
19-10-2007, 17:25
considering how much stick Ultramarines get for being blue (smurfs) do you really think any chapter would want to paint there armour brown, Imagine the nicknames


True, in my early.... very early RT days I had some Lime Green Terminators, and to this day my friends still call them the limey's.

Puffin Magician
19-10-2007, 17:38
Those colors in one way or another have represented something i.e. Purple representing royalty etc... Brown represents...Brown has appeared in Tincture, albeit rarely, as "Tenné" [orangey-brown], "Buff" [tan], and "Murrey" being dark-reddish-brownish could also be included.

Many arguments claim that brown is too "camouflagey", however in alien environments that will be quite the opposite. Exotic colourful jungles, ice worlds, irradiated chem-wastes and the like will have colours nowhere near brown and Astartes painted as such will be neither cowardly nor stealthy.

Gwedd
19-10-2007, 17:41
Comrades,

One really excellent colour combo is GW' "Vomit Brown" or "Snake Bite Leather" for the armour, and Blood Red for the helmet, shoulder pads, Bolter case and top & nozzles of the back pack. Use Bleached Bone for the chest eagle. It looks pretty doggone good together.

Respects,

Shibboleth
19-10-2007, 20:01
My 'Barbarian Legion' Renegades are Brown.
I could've called them the 'Brown Legion', or the 'Brown Corsairs', but that would be too obvious.:D
I think Brown works better for Chaos anyway.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a152/SpaceMonk/Barbarian.jpg

de Selby
19-10-2007, 20:05
I tried brown chaos marines at one point. It didn't work so I painted them bronzey-gold instead. It's a difficult colour scheme to do well with marines.

floyd pinkerton
19-10-2007, 20:10
I tried brown marines. Falied horribly:D

chrisloomis13
19-10-2007, 20:21
Does no one remember the "Rock Badgers" by Shawn Kilgore?

Brown, white, and orange, IIRC.

They went to a GT or 2 and were featured in WD.

Looked cool as heck.

Yes I do remember them, [chocolate] Brown with white pads and orange trim I believe; the dreadnought had an excellent face and the commander was more or less Wolverine.

Sadly I cannot find a pic on the net.

Luna de hierro
19-10-2007, 20:26
Guys, the Raptors chapter is not brown, first they were blue and yellow but latter changed it to green... couldn´t find it in english but...

http://wh40k.lexicanum.de/wiki/Raptors

Raptors

A Second Founding chapter of the Raven Guard. The chapter first appeared in Rogue Trader era Warhammer 40K as the "Raptor Legion," and wore blue armour with yellow face, shoulder pads, gloves, boots, and greaves. Their chapter symbol was a white hawk's head. When the chapter was revisited during 3rd edition the 'Legion' was dropped from their name and they became specialists in jungle warfare. At this point their armour colour changing to a dull green, with the white hawk's head symbol retained, ideal for fighting within flora-dominated spaces. How To Paint Space Marines shows that during the 4th Edition release of Space Marine-related material, the colour scheme was reverted to blue and yellow, although material published by Forgeworld after this time retains the 3rd Edition dull green. It is possible the Raptors and the Raptor Legion is supposed to be two different chapters, but no official statement on this can be found in any sourcebooks.

Further- there was a story where the entire Chapter became stranded on a jungle deathworld, leading to them repainting their armour green in order to better survive. However, as stated, the issue of the Chapter's colour has not been cleared up by Games Workshop.

The chapter prides itself on extreme zeal, but "their reckless disregard for the Codex is legendary" according to Captain Ardias of the Ultramarines.

The Raptors appeared in the background material surrounding the Armageddon3 worldwide campaign. The chapter is featured in the game Fire Warrior.

alex03
20-10-2007, 05:15
Brown is the color of peasentry and commoners, who could not afford cloths that were dyed. Nobles used rich bold colors to show that they were nobility and above the common classes.

Space marines are the "nobility" of the Imperium.