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magnificent*
13-04-2005, 11:15
The marines got a new codex and the assault cannon is now much more effective because it is rending. Tryanid and chaos talons have always been rending but is any other weapon going to become rending like the assault cannon did?

boogle
13-04-2005, 11:51
if anything, 'Uge Choppas may in the Ork book, but i can't really see anything else making the transition

Alpharius
13-04-2005, 12:13
Well, way, way too early to know for sure, but I wouldn't bet on many things at all becoming rending.

For Chaos, maybe the Reaper Autocannon?

For Orks, nothing?

Karhedron
13-04-2005, 12:15
Chaos has recently been redone so I do not seeing them get redone again very soon. Orks tend to rely on Choppas all round rather than Rending.

Jonathan =I=
13-04-2005, 12:20
Hell Aunshi of the Tau got rending. Few things will now surprise me.

grizzly ruin
13-04-2005, 13:49
Hell Aunshi of the Tau got rending. Few things will now surprise me.

Yes, but he is a single special character, which is quite different from Reaper Autocannons suddenly getting rending.

PSD
13-04-2005, 13:49
For Chaos, maybe the Reaper Autocannon?

Hope not, i dont fancy paying any more points for it...

Besides, its good enough as it is, re-rolled shots anyone?

On a terminator with the tankhunter vet skill its the equivilent of 2 twin linked krak missile shots against a vehicle. For the 23 points that would cost (20 for the cannon, 3 for the skill), its more than good enough.

Alpharius
13-04-2005, 14:48
Good points!

So, for Chaos... Probably nothing!

Thanks for keeping it real..

Inquisitor Engel
13-04-2005, 14:52
Chaos Codex is done for a WHILE. Orks I doubt will get anything rending when their book comes around.

Karhedron
13-04-2005, 14:57
I would not be entirely surprised if Tyranids get some kind of rending ammo for some of their gun in the new codex. Pure speculation on my part but maybe some of the less frequently taken weapons may get rending?

Alpharius
13-04-2005, 17:04
I think the only thing we've heard so far is the "Living Ammo" rule for some weapons, which allow a re-roll of "to wound" rolls...

No word on rending guns yet, so probably not happening (?)...

boogle
13-04-2005, 17:19
aren't rending claws enough for you?

lord_blackfang
13-04-2005, 19:41
I vote for rending ponies for everyone!

Deathjester26
13-04-2005, 22:17
Is it just me or does everyone else think that chaos is really just fine as it is... if they got rending guns on top of all the already cool stuff they've got I don't think I'd ever stand a chance against my friend.
I wouldn't mind seeing orks with some rending weapons or at least something to make people want to play them more. It'd be nice to model an army for fighting something other than space marines when I go to a tournament.

chivalrous
14-04-2005, 00:11
Hmm, I can't think of any Orc weapons that would likely have a rending effect, other than possibly Burners in close combat.

Zustiur
14-04-2005, 01:08
Orks won't get any rending weapons until Eldar get rending ponies :D

Zustiur.

Lyonator
14-04-2005, 03:01
burnas dont need rending, they are already pretty badass.

a squig might have rending though.

Lion El Jason
14-04-2005, 08:54
Chaos autocannons better not...Its the first time space marines ever got anything better than the chaos equivelent, they better not take it away from us!

grizzly ruin
14-04-2005, 10:52
Chaos autocannons better not...

I think the only reason people even think that the Reaper Autocannon would have gotten or one day will be getting "rending" was due to all of the pre-release 4th ed rumours.

At that time everyone thought that "reaping" would be the ranged version of "rending". Since it's called the "Reaper" Autocannon, people took that and ran with it.

Since all of that is moot now, the Reaper Autocannon is just that, an Autocannon (albeit a different version). It has nothing to do with Assault cannons at all.

Different Ranges, different strength, different rate of fire (2 vs. 4), and different rules.




Its the first time space marines ever got anything better than the chaos equivelent, they better not take it away from us!

They aren't really equivalents though. And I'm not sure I agree with that statment either.

As it stands now, many things between the two codecii are different, each codex has advantages over the other in different areas.

There is quite alot for players on both sides to be envious of.

As a chaos player there is a great deal I'm envious of from the new SM dex.

- 22 point deepstriking assault troops

- Terminators that can always deepstrike in every mission

- Terminators that can have paired lightning claws

- I also have a thing for stormbolters

- LR variants that rock

- Veterans that actually get something for the extra 3 points they cost over a standard marine (basic chosen in power armor with no mark at 17 points always pisses me the hell off).

etc, etc. ;)

magnificent*
14-04-2005, 11:41
I would consider getting ogryns, big mutants and ork nobs with huge choppas if they were rending. I hate how tyranids can get rending but other huge fighters can't.

Alpharius
14-04-2005, 13:28
Since the Reaper Autocannon is the precursor to the Assault Cannon... I don't think it would be too much of a stretch if it, one day in the far future, became Hvy 3 Rending. (No more twin linked, whatever).

Mind you, I am not saying it will happen. Just that it isn't that unlikely.

And seriously, when the CSM codex gets redone 4-5 years from now, I think that something like this will be the least of our worries!

grizzly ruin
14-04-2005, 13:47
And seriously, when the CSM codex gets redone 4-5 years from now, I think that something like this will be the least of our worries!

You're quite right.

Just from looking at the artwork, I'm terrified that the mark of Slaanesh will grant 'rending nipples' and other such horrors.

Lion El Jason
14-04-2005, 14:54
I think the only reason people even think that the Reaper Autocannon would have gotten or one day will be getting "rending" was due to all of the pre-release 4th ed rumours.

At that time everyone thought that "reaping" would be the ranged version of "rending". Since it's called the "Reaper" Autocannon, people took that and ran with it.

Yes, I remember. I was the one who first broke that rumour!




They aren't really equivalents though. And I'm not sure I agree with that statment either.

As it stands now,

Exactly, before the new Codex everything marines had chaos had better. As it is now its the first time that isn't true in 40k history!

The reaper is the precursor to the assault cannon so it should be worse...otherwise they would have kept it!

grizzly ruin
14-04-2005, 23:16
Yes, I remember. I was the one who first broke that rumour!

You know, now that you mention it, I actually remember you debunking that bit. :eek:

Sorry! ;)





Exactly, before the new Codex everything marines had chaos had better. As it is now its the first time that isn't true in 40k history!



Well maybe, I was envious of the LR crusader, terminator assault squads, storm bolters, being able to get 4+ invulnerable saves on a standard HQ choice (I don't tend to think of GDs as a "standard" HQ) etc.

But yes, I think overall the "evening out" as it were of the new SM dex was appropriate.?@Actually what I think was most important is levelling the playing field for Codex/UMs vs. Specialist Loyal chapters.

I do think it's very interesting how, after the new SM dex arrived the cries of Chaos being "cheese" subsided a great deal...

Funny that, I wonder why. ;)



The reaper is the precursor to the assault cannon so it should be worse...otherwise they would have kept it!

I agree completely.

Weirdboy
16-04-2005, 23:43
Orks with rending would be kinda silly wouldn't it? Half their hits would be rending hits!

grizzly ruin
17-04-2005, 00:43
Orks with rending would be kinda silly wouldn't it? Half their hits would be rending hits!

I'm not sure how you figure that.

For the sake of argument, let's imagine they are getting rending.

If it was an upgrade squads could take, on say 1 or 2 weapons that had a rate of fire/attacks per round = to 2 ~ 4. It really wouldn't be that overpowering.

And since it's Orks, you probably wouldn't see many min/maxed small squads to squeeze as many in as possible since that generally goes against the Ork need for larger squad sizes.

Now giving an entire squad of 30 models rending weapons, yes that would be a little scary.

Weirdboy
17-04-2005, 05:25
I was just referring to them nearly needing a 6 to hit in the first place. It was not a truly tactical comment, and meant more as a joke. Orks are my main army an I would love to see the new codex, I just am not really sure what needs changing. Maybe some better clan rules? Despite it's age Codex: Orks hold up pretty well still.

grizzly ruin
17-04-2005, 05:53
I was just referring to them nearly needing a 6 to hit in the first place. It was not a truly tactical comment, and meant more as a joke. Orks are my main army an I would love to see the new codex, I just am not really sure what needs changing. Maybe some better clan rules? Despite it's age Codex: Orks hold up pretty well still.

Point taken.

Now that I think about it, that's actually pretty funny.

Scythe
17-04-2005, 09:51
*Imagines a squad of 30 shoota boys with rending shootas rapid firing*

Jikes. That's some scary stuff here. You'd obliderate literally any unit in the game with a salvo like that. It almost sounds scarier that guardians getting rending.

;)

devolutionary
17-04-2005, 12:30
Scythe, ideas like that REALLY make me want that Shooty Blod Axe army :p

We iz Orkses, and wez gots da gunz and da boyz and da strenf... oh yeah, and hollow point, depleted uranium, teflon coated, high velocity, armour percing .50 cal pistol ammo!

Flame Boy
17-04-2005, 18:32
You're quite right.

Just from looking at the artwork, I'm terrified that the mark of Slaanesh will grant 'rending nipples' and other such horrors.

That's just a side effect of fighting against Valhallans in their own climate. The sensible tactic therefore would be to fight Slaanesh armies only in warm climates... :p

I can't think of any real reason to have more rending/reaping stuff right now off the top of my head... I suppose it migh work well on Eldar monofilament weapons, to represent the wire slicing through weakpoints between armour plates and so on... So it might make interesting new rules for Warp Spiders and other Monofilament weapons. However, for Orks and Chaos, I'm not really sure.