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carl
19-10-2007, 16:28
3 Questions:

1. What is the name of the Space Wolves Flagship?

2. Am I correct in assuming the flagship would normally be commanded by Logan Grimnir? If that assumption is wrong, then what is the name of the ship he would normally command?

3. In the time between the 2nd and 3rd war of Armageddon, do we know the name of the Canoness Superior of the Order of the Ebon Chalice?


I'm writing a datasheet for the Apoc contest and need the info for a piece of fanfic I’m writing to go with it. But I want to make sure my fanfic doesn’t clash with existing background.

Captain Stern
19-10-2007, 16:32
During the Heresy it was the Winter Wolf. I don't know which it is in 40k though. It might still be the Winter Wolf?

carl
19-10-2007, 17:28
Cheers, can anyone confirm that?

Vaulkhar
19-10-2007, 17:30
I'm pretty sure there's a reference to the name of the ship in Grey Hunter, but I'll need some time to dig the book out and check.

As far as the question of the flagship goes, the SW flagship is whatever capital vessel Grimnar is on at the time - he has 'raised his flag' on that ship. Your second question rather answers itself in that respect.

carl
19-10-2007, 17:59
As far as the question of the flagship goes, the SW flagship is whatever capital vessel Grimnar is on at the time - he has 'raised his flag' on that ship. Your second question rather answers itself in that respect.

Good point their, but my question was more on the official flagship, and weather that’s the one he normally uses, or weather he has a different ship as his personal preference. And yeah I think one of the SW books does have it in, trouble is I loaned it from the ,library and no longer have it so i can't check.


The basic fluff is that most of the SW's are off elsewhere fighting various minor threats, leaving a littlie over 3 great companies back at the fang. Whilst this is happening an Ork Waaaagh appears seemingly out of nowhere and hit's the lightly defended Shrine world of Cheadas III which is just a few light years away from Fenris.

Considering the size and possible threat of the whole thing, (especially to Fenris itself), Logan Grimnir grab's 2 of the company's and issues recall orders to those on less important missions., and heads to Cheadas III aboard the flagship. The SW's the hit the Orks with 3 companies in typical SM style. Only to have their opponents hit them with a bunch of surprises, (telyporta attack's and speed freak columns and hidden numbers and all those gubbins), which result in the 3 companies, (plus the surviving SoB's from the worlds Garrison), being cornered whilst a surprise reinforcement of ships forces Logan Grimnir to pull the fleet back, leaving his forces stranded and surrounded by a superior enemy force. At which point a large detachment of the Order of the Ebon Chalice turns up with a small contingent of the Imperial Navy escorts. These rout the space forces of the enemy whilst the majority of the SoB deploy via standard transport drops to aid their beleaguered brethren and the SW's.

Canoness Superior Alicia Valentine, (First name from the founding saint of the order, second name randomly thought up before I thought of the first name, NOT a Resident Evil reference before you ask), and the Celestian's deploy via drop pod. "insert battle fluff".

End result they break up the attack but the canoness and her Celestian’s are wiped out. Subsequent analysis suggest this may be another of Gazakskulls attacks, probably intended to decimate the SW's and kept them and other IoM forces busy fighting on Fenris for a while to come.


I just want to check I’m not violating any existing fluff and it all matches up correctly.

Argastes
19-10-2007, 20:07
There's no such thing as an "official flagship". The term "flagship" is an intrinsically ad hoc designation. It means just what the name suggests: Whatever ship the commander of the fleet or battle group is on board, and thus is flying his flag from. One vessel is never "permanently" or "officially" designated as the flagship of a group of ships. A lot of science fiction doesn't take this fact into account, giving a lot of sci-fi readers the mistaken impression that a fleet's flagship is always one specific vessel, but that's not correct.

carl
19-10-2007, 20:15
There's no such thing as an "official flagship". The term "flagship" is an intrinsically ad hoc designation. It means just what the name suggests: Whatever ship the commander of the fleet or battle group is on board, and thus is flying his flag from. One vessel is never "permanently" or "officially" designated as the flagship of a group of ships. A lot of science fiction doesn't take this fact into account, giving a lot of sci-fi readers the mistaken impression that a fleet's flagship is always one specific vessel, but that's not correct.

Of course that’s true, but if you check your SM fluff, it's generally the case that one ship will be the designated flagship of the overall fleet and is generally the personal ship of the Master of the Fleet. It will ALLWAYS be the flagship of any fleet it is part of automatically, and is normally the ship from which the chapter master will "fly his flag" if he joins the fleet.

For the Ultramarines it's the Octavius For the Blood Ravens I believe it's the Litany of Fury. I'm wanting to know the equivalent for the Space Wolves.

Maidel
19-10-2007, 21:20
In the warp rift fan mag it says the space wolf 'flag ship' is an emperor class battleship called the Pride of Fenris.

however I have absolutely no idea how 'offical' that is.

carl
19-10-2007, 21:25
Well I have another source, (BFG PDF), that says it's an emperor clas battleship too, but the name is unlisted:(.

Anyone else confirm weather thats the officiol name?

fracas
20-10-2007, 00:32
not sure SoB would deploy by drop pods

Ironsides
20-10-2007, 07:08
This might help: http://www.pa-sy.com/hhccg/images/ragnarok.jpg

I don't know for a fact that it would still be in service in the 41st millenium, but it seems highly likely (especially as it was Russ's flagship).

carl
20-10-2007, 09:29
not sure SoB would deploy by drop pods


Should have mentioned my source on that bit.

If you've got WD 303 dig it out and find the rouge sons articale. It specificly mentions Celestians deploying via drop pods their.



This might help: http://www.pa-sy.com/hhccg/images/ragnarok.jpg

I don't know for a fact that it would still be in service in the 41st millenium, but it seems highly likely (especially as it was Russ's flagship).

Cheers again.

Thats 3 possible names i've got for the flagship: (looks like it's changed a few times, (pretty normal I geuss as it's up to the chaopter master which ship it is)).

AnNyone got Grey slayer so they can tell me the name from their as thats probably the most widely known?

Hellebore
20-10-2007, 11:52
I'm almost 100% that the Command Ship is a Retribution Class Battleship. In the Space Wolf novels it describes briefly that alot of the wolves' fleet is made up of old ships and/or non standard marine ones that have been taken as prize by the marines.

They get retrofitted with better gear and launch bays for thunderhawks etc.

I believe Ragnar sees the Pride of Fenris outside the porthole of the ship he is on and that's when the backstory is described.

Hellebore

Muttly
20-10-2007, 12:09
According to the Bill King books Pride of Fenris is the current flagship of the Greatwolf. The writing at times implies each Wolf Lord has his own personal capital ship though these vary greatly in size.

Regards

Muttly

carl
20-10-2007, 13:17
Thanks guys, especially to Mutley and Hellbore for the confirmation.

I've read all the SW books but Wolfblade, but only own Sons of Fenris so I couldn't look up the exact name though I was sure it was in their.


The writing at times implies each Wolf Lord has his own personal capital ship though these vary greatly in size.

Correct AFAIK, I just anted to know which was the Greatwolfs Ship since it was Logan Grimnir i'm involving in the whole thing, thus it would be his ship at the head of the fleet and his ship that would probably perform the Orbital Bombardment.

Vaulkhar
20-10-2007, 13:37
Yep. The Pride of Fenris is Grimnar's flagship in Grey Hunter, which occurs in the early 900s (Ragnar still being in the first decade or two of his career).

IIRC, the Pride of Fenris came into Space Wolf hands after they captured it from the Chaos fleet that had captured it from the Imperial Navy. Apparently when the Navy asked for it back, the Wolves pretty much laughed in their faces...