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silence
19-10-2007, 22:30
This is a completly theoretical question, if for whatever reason (i'll be honest I don't want to be drawn into specifics) GW disappeared tomorrow what would yo do with your figures and spare time?

HowlingBanshee23
19-10-2007, 22:33
Id keep playing and painting! Ive got enough models and the games are awesome!

RavenMorpheus
19-10-2007, 22:43
I'd keep playing or failing that give up and play my DoW games. Which is what I've virtually done anyway due to lack of time/room/finances :(

Crube
19-10-2007, 22:58
I'd keep painting for sure... then look into Fow and Wargods a bit more....


But I cant see GW disappearing... correction WB or 40k disappearing - I feel that the main GW IP will be taken on by another company - either in agood way or not
;)

mistformsquirrel
19-10-2007, 23:24
If GW died, most likely you'd see Wizkids or Wizards take 40k and/or Fantasy.

... Unlikely I'd be happy with it if they did though; a I'd expect to wind up with a "clix" game or something Maybe I'm just pessimistic in that regard.

Nevertheless, I'd keep painting, and collecting minis. And more than likely, there'd be tons of likeminded folks online who'd try to keep the original games alive; much as people have done with other games of yester-year; or how some folks still play AD&D even though 3.5e is out, and soon will be on 4.0. (I like 3.5 myself; but I know people who don't)

So yeah... if GW died; the games would live on through the fans until everyone just drifted away - it'd be a fair while for that though.

It'd take something pretty darn interesting to get me to abandon the Warhammer universes though.

floyd pinkerton
19-10-2007, 23:37
It'd be good, as then I wouldn't by new stuff, so I can get all my old stuff painted:D

Though I'd still buy warmachine:(

Zink
20-10-2007, 00:05
I'd be using my GW models to play Stargrunt and Armies of Arcana. Wait a minute that's what I'm already doing. Seriously I wouldn't change a thing. I'm still buying GW models when they release something I like but there's a whole wide world out there that isn't controlled by GW.

swordwind
20-10-2007, 00:11
First, buy as many shares in Privateer Press as I can afford...

A neutral shade of black.
20-10-2007, 01:10
We'd all be much better off for it.

That is, assuming GW really does die instead of simply floundering and being gobbled up by Hasbro (ugh; d20 WFRP), they'd stop being the nail in the wargaming industry's as-of-yet proverbial coffin.

grickherder
20-10-2007, 02:10
Nothing would change for me. Bloodbowl no longer requires GW to exist-- the players have taken such ownership of the game that it'll survive just like NetEpic did when GW dropped the ball with Epic:40,000.

WFB is just generic Tolkien rip-off fantasy with Moorcock's ideas about Chaos tossed in, so there will always been cool rules and whatnot to use my miniatures with and tons and tons of other manufacturers to provide me with miniatures. 40k has some original ideas, but a guy in power armour is a guy in power armour. And tyranids aren't exactly original, just ask H R Geiger or Heinlein about xenomorphs and bugs. Heck, even Sisters of Battle are just a rehash of the whole nuns with guns concept.

In short, I don't think we'll miss much because if you truly boil it down, GW isn't offering much that can't be gotten elsewhere.

scarletsquig
20-10-2007, 14:28
We'd probably see AT-43 replace 40k, in America/ Europe anyway.

I finally got around to playing a game of this, and the rules system is much more interesting to play than 40k, while still being simple. You can say what you like about the prepaints, but you can't deny that they're a gigantic cash cow (take a look at the dozens of different wizkids games out there).

I'd much prefer Urban War/Metropolis to take off since I like the game more, but without plastics, I think it's always going to be relatively niche.

Mad Doc Grotsnik
20-10-2007, 14:34
Nothing would change for me. Bloodbowl no longer requires GW to exist-- the players have taken such ownership of the game that it'll survive just like NetEpic did when GW dropped the ball with Epic:40,000.

WFB is just generic Tolkien rip-off fantasy with Moorcock's ideas about Chaos tossed in, so there will always been cool rules and whatnot to use my miniatures with and tons and tons of other manufacturers to provide me with miniatures. 40k has some original ideas, but a guy in power armour is a guy in power armour. And tyranids aren't exactly original, just ask H R Geiger or Heinlein about xenomorphs and bugs. Heck, even Sisters of Battle are just a rehash of the whole nuns with guns concept.

In short, I don't think we'll miss much because if you truly boil it down, GW isn't offering much that can't be gotten elsewhere.

Other than depth of setting, massive player base, lots of fiction (which reminds me, I have Palace of the Plague Lord to read!) etc..?

And it may have started off as a Tolkein rip off (and why not, the initial intention was to produce generic rules for generic fantasy, the rest followed that) but they have moved away from that somewhat. Skaven, Night Goblins, Squigs, Chaos Wastes, just the whole politics are somewhat different.

leonmallett
20-10-2007, 14:34
We'd all be much better off for it.

That is, assuming GW really does die instead of simply floundering and being gobbled up by Hasbro (ugh; d20 WFRP), they'd stop being the nail in the wargaming industry's as-of-yet proverbial coffin.

Are you hoping Gw does go under?


Nothing would change for me. Bloodbowl no longer requires GW to exist-- the players have taken such ownership of the game that it'll survive just like NetEpic did when GW dropped the ball with Epic:40,000.

WFB is just generic Tolkien rip-off fantasy with Moorcock's ideas about Chaos tossed in, so there will always been cool rules and whatnot to use my miniatures with and tons and tons of other manufacturers to provide me with miniatures. 40k has some original ideas, but a guy in power armour is a guy in power armour. And tyranids aren't exactly original, just ask H R Geiger or Heinlein about xenomorphs and bugs. Heck, even Sisters of Battle are just a rehash of the whole nuns with guns concept.

In short, I don't think we'll miss much because if you truly boil it down, GW isn't offering much that can't be gotten elsewhere.


You don't seem to be a GW fan. So why invest time participating on a site focused on GW properties? :confused:


Personally I hope the company survives in a recognisable way. If it were swallowed up by say WotC or the like, I would stop engaging in the GW hobby. Unless another wargames manufacturer can do high quality plastics that can be assembled and painted (rather than pre-paints), then I would not be interested.

Vic
20-10-2007, 15:43
I dont think the company is going away any time soon, and definitely not the goth/dark future concept. That said, if GW went under, so what? There's plenty of product floating around, and i have plenty of GW stuff as it is to have fun with my kids. It'd be sad, but not un-survivable.

Gaebriel
20-10-2007, 16:14
In my opinion, a great deal of GW's clientele is only held by the constant hype, not by the questionable quality of the game. So if GW disappeared, I think a lot of those kids who only play because of it's mainstreamness would leave the hobby of wargaming. A middle ground would possibly have a look at other game systems and see how mediocre the main systems are, and how much more could be done with the background. They might switch systems, but stay withing the hobby. Some might even stretch their legs, and combine their models with other systems, transfer the background so to say. Then I think a core of hobbyists would still play the latest edition, and probably develop into the setting, though I guess without central organization. A good deal would most likely fall back onto older edition material, or develop a hybrid.

All in all, there are game systems with a following out there that are not supported anymore - that is a fact. So I don't think Warhammer ea would cease to exist.

VetSgtNamaan
20-10-2007, 16:54
I always do find it funny how many people think hasbro would mismanage things even worse. Again it is hardly likely that hasbro would produce the mini's game though entirely possible they might gobble up the rights to the rpgs. After all Hasbro like all corporations wants to make money and I would find it hard to believe they would see enough profit in the company to buy it in the first place.

As what it would mean to me if Gw disappeared, it would mean very little to me since we do not need GW to exist to play 40k. They canceled all the conflicts in Canada and it is unlikely I will ever undertake the 6-8hr drive to see an actual GW store. I would like buy the occassional thing from ebay or internet retailers and spend my money on something else. I have seen a lot of gaming companies go under and yeah it generally sucks but there is always nother shiney toy elsewhere to buy and attract your attention.

grickherder
20-10-2007, 16:58
You don't seem to be a GW fan. So why invest time participating on a site focused on GW properties? :confused:

Some of their stuff is good. I really like the Lord of the Rings plastics. Bloodbowl is awesome. I've always thought Space Marines were cool even if they are just a very basic sci-fi archetype. Just because they don't offer too much doesn't mean that they don't have their diamonds in the rough or that there aren't things I really like that keeps me from saying they offer absolutely nothing. I just think that in their absence, there's equally cool stuff for my attention made by other companies-- even if they are smaller companies that don't have the polish and presentation that GW currently has.

The new Orks are awesome. GW's Orks are something they've really distinguished themselves in compared to the style of other fantasy orcs. They're essentially fungus aliens which is pretty cool.

And the Horus Heresy is a good story. But cool sci-fi isn't going anywhere. Even if we were to have some sort of major economic problems, there was still tons of sci-fi, pulp and other similar fiction during the first great depression. I'm sure there will be during the 2nd (not to mention the sheer amount to be read that I still haven't-- I'll never have a book shortage unless something really strange happens).


Unless another wargames manufacturer can do high quality plastics that can be assembled and painted (rather than pre-paints), then I would not be interested.

This I totally agree with.

So if news came out that GW went away, I'd try to get myself the LOTR plastics I want before I couldn't anymore (maybe 5 or 6 more boxes). I'd probably grab some extra space marine plastics. I have enough tyranids. As much as I like the orks, I'm not planning on getting any anyway.

I'm actually going through that exact process with Rackham right now. They are switching to all new miniatures being prepainted plastics and have already gotten rid of their access to a foundry to cast metal miniatures. Once the existing supply of their metal miniatures are gone, they're gone. So I've been scouting out and picking up the stuff of there's I always thought was cool while I can.

I would do the exact same thing with GW.

leonmallett
20-10-2007, 17:02
Some of their stuff is good. I really like the Lord of the Rings plastics. Bloodbowl is awesome. I've always thought Space Marines were cool even if they are just a very basic sci-fi archetype. Just because they don't offer too much doesn't mean that they don't have their diamonds in the rough or that there aren't things I really like that keeps me from saying they offer absolutely nothing. I just think that in their absence, there's equally cool stuff for my attention made by other companies-- even if they are smaller companies that don't have the polish and presentation that GW currently has.

What I meant by my above post was that I don't think they offer enough that the same amount of cool elements and implementations can't be found elsewhere if they were to be gone.

The new Orks are awesome. GW's Orks are something they've really distinguished themselves in compared to the style of other fantasy orcs. They're essentially fungus aliens which is pretty cool.



This I totally agree with.

So if news came out that GW went away, I'd try to get myself the LOTR plastics I want before I couldn't anymore (maybe 5 or 6 more boxes). I'd probably grab some extra space marine plastics. I have enough tyranids. As much as I like the orks, I'm not planning on getting any anyway.

I'm actually going through that exact process with Rackham right now. They are switching to all new miniatures being prepainted plastics and have already gotten rid of their access to a foundry to cast metal miniatures. Once the existing supply of their metal miniatures are gone, they're gone. So I've been scouting out and picking up the stuff of there's I always thought was cool while I can.

I would do the exact same thing with GW.

Apologies for missing your point, in your previous post. For myself, I could not see me playing a game that I felt had no future, so for me to play GW games there has to be a GW. Obviously for others that is not an issue, just a personal choice.


Shame about Rackham, as I feel their metals are far superior to their new pre-paints.

grickherder
20-10-2007, 17:13
Apologies for missing your point, in your previous post.

I wasn't plain enough. I should have included there what I said about the stuff I do like rather than just leaving it all negative.


For myself, I could not see me playing a game that I felt had no future, so for me to play GW games there has to be a GW. Obviously for others that is not an issue, just a personal choice.

I'm beginning to look at game designers a bit like government-- the less they do the better. Right now I'm interested in miniatures I like and rules that are strong enough on their own merit to play with my friends/club without needing to be bolstered by an endless marketing blitz.

I understand that a lot of people really like new releases all the time and really like constant rules changes and whatnot. But I'm looking for a bit of a higher standard. I want the rules to be right and to work and not need constant revision because this unit is too weak, or this unit is too strong. I'd rather see creative energy and design going into new units or entire new armies that constantly rereleasing the same ones. For example, I like Privateer Press's model of making a book for all armies at once (yes, I know they only have like 10 or so armies instead of GW's 20 or so and that each book has stuff for half of it, either Hordes or Warmachine).


Shame about Rackham, as I feel their metals are far superior to their new pre-paints.

It's a bold move on their part (one that makes me uninterested in buying fom them in the future). Perhaps there will be enough interest from non-painter gamers to see them through. Either way, their future as a company depends on it working.

But it is an example of a miniatures line becoming no longer available. Exactly what we're talking about in this thread about GW. Imagine if GW went entirely to prepainted plastics? I know what I'd do, because I've seen it before.

malkkis
20-10-2007, 17:31
Imagine if GW went entirely to prepainted plastics? I know what I'd do, because I've seen it before.

You're giving me chills.. If something like that would happen, I think I stop bying anything new from GW. And if GW disappears, I think I start playing other games, perhaps, warmachines.. I'd still keep my figures and stuff, and probably keep on playing. I think I would gather some CSM, and fast. Then, after last of figurines are sold, I'd start lurking on eBay. I guess, there could be new company/companies, which could buy rights of GW stuffs, and continue selling them. From my point of view, that could be great, if quality won't fall. Maybe they would lower the prices.. :angel:

leonmallett
20-10-2007, 18:11
You're giving me chills.. If something like that would happen, I think I stop bying anything new from GW. And if GW disappears, I think I start playing other games, perhaps, warmachines.. I'd still keep my figures and stuff, and probably keep on playing. I think I would gather some CSM, and fast. Then, after last of figurines are sold, I'd start lurking on eBay. I guess, there could be new company/companies, which could buy rights of GW stuffs, and continue selling them. From my point of view, that could be great, if quality won't fall. Maybe they would lower the prices.. :angel:

If GW went to pre-paints (hypothetically speaking), then I'd be out of the hobby. There is no real alterntive with a similar amount of plastics for me to make as gamer/hobbyist from another company that I am aware of. Therefore, no GW, no hobby, for me.

Patriarch
20-10-2007, 23:07
Just my 2p, but GW will never go prepainted.

They are a miniatures company first, a games company a distant second.

The point of the company is to sell minis to people who want to paint with them. The games are simply a method of selling more minis, or to sell one type of mini rather than another.

Ethlorien
21-10-2007, 00:58
I'd just keep playing and painting. It's taken me seven years to get my HE army painted to about 90%, my DE 50%. If I didn't have to bother buying new miniatures, I could scrap painting my Hordes, Ogres, and Beast armies and finish the bloody elves!

Cpt_NinjaPants
21-10-2007, 02:55
I'd have more money...

Khornate Fireball (Ork)
21-10-2007, 06:07
NOOO!!! Not right before the new Ork stuff!

Okay, okay, and for the Dark Eldar players: NOOO!!! Not before the Dark Eldar get redone!

I would buy lots more Ork Boyz and try to round out a force. Then I'd come up with my own rules and post them on Warseer, with pics of scratchbuilt models, and try to get people into that.

Most importantly, I'd probably get a Baneblade. Maybe Three.

leonmallett
21-10-2007, 09:38
Just my 2p, but GW will never go prepainted.

They are a miniatures company first, a games company a distant second.

The point of the company is to sell minis to people who want to paint with them. The games are simply a method of selling more minis, or to sell one type of mini rather than another.

Agreed, we were just following the hypothetical situation laid down by the OP. I think your rationale as to why it is very, very, unlikely (never say never, however), is spot on.

Brother Loki
21-10-2007, 16:09
Given how Rackham's decision to go prepainted has had such a massive financial backlash for them, putting them on the verge of bankruptcy, I doubt GW would ever go that route. Their biggest selling product is chaos black paint, after all.

To respond to the original point, I think if GW went under someone would buy up their IP and we would see some sort of continuation, but in what form I have no idea. I think there would be a big online community dedicated to fan-created support though, much like there is for the specialist games.

grickherder
21-10-2007, 21:48
If GW ever went prepainted plastic, it would likely be after they had massive financial troubles, perhaps with a management change or an out-and-out buy out by another company. I think it's safe to say that if GW ever went PPP, it would be after they are no longer the same company as they are now.

GW has a lot of challenges to face in the next few years, it'll be interesting to see how they face them.

Putty
21-10-2007, 22:05
If gw would go under a few things will surely happen:

1) A major company like WotC (Hasbro) would take over them.
2) Alot of existing GW model stock would be dumped enmasse on ebay
3) Cheaper models during this stock clearing period
4) All the "I told you so" guys will start 1000 "I told you so" threads. xD

but it won't kill the "game"

there is enough material for the game to survive forever. Players will even make up their own army balancing rules within their own playing groups.

only problem prolly would be the models for the future generations of players, but hey, there is always underground mould making and casting...

but honestly, there is no way GW will disappear, they have been around too long for that to happen. furthermore, they have a solid product that i'm sure other companies will want to buy them out from or even a sort of merger thing like Hasbro and WotC.

Overall, if such a thing would to happen, I'd only expect good things to come from it. I'm quite certain the product prices won't drop but the support for the games will definately improve and we won't get B.S like no erratas or the lack of FAQs.

and we might actually see a standardisation of rules, which to me, is a great thing for the game.

Crazy Harborc
22-10-2007, 02:02
Not very likely to happen. I gamed for at least 25 years without GW's rules systems, without GW's minies.;)

Since there will not be a major "forced" recall of GW's products that have already been bought/paid for.....why worry?

Occulto
22-10-2007, 02:53
Keep playing. I've got enough minis to last a lifetime. Same goes my friends. So even if I got bored with my armies, I've got plenty of alternatives that I could borrow.

I'd probably buy a whole lot of second hand stuff from people who sold their armies if GW went under (there'd be a few I reckon).

Stella Cadente
22-10-2007, 03:54
IF GW disappeared, I'd buy summit else, something more important

Osbad
22-10-2007, 10:09
Haven't bought anything new from GW for myself for absloutely ages now. It wouldn't make any difference to me whatsoever. My kids'd be pretty gutted though!

Dwarf Supreme
22-10-2007, 17:41
As far as my favorite GW game (Epic) is concerned, GW has already disappeared. GW's existence has nothing to do with my painting and playing. I easily have enough unpainted Epic minis to keep me busy for the rest of my life and I intend on keep on playing Epic long after GW cancels it. I'm still playing Avalon Hill games even though it's been at least a decade since Hasbro bought out AH.

GhanburiGhan
23-10-2007, 18:11
I'd be using my GW models to play Armies of Arcana. .

Recently I've got back into gaming again after a bit of a break.
I've been out of the loop for quite a while.
House/mortgage/wife etc. got in the way but a few months ago I broke out the boxes and pulled out my toys and dusted them off. It was like seeing old friends again after a long time but all my old gaming buddies have moved on overseas etc. with work so I have had to go cold calling to find players.

A few weeks ago I went down to a small local gaming club not too far from where I live now to see if I could get a game of Warhammer with my lizardmen and I saw a couple of Fantasy games on at the club.
I approached the guys and we did the welcome thing and the guys were friendly and I asked if it was ok if I watched them playing warhammer and they said, "Well, we're not playing Warhammer, we are playing a different game called 'Armies of Arcana'.
So I sat and watched and realised that it was quite a different game and they had more models on the board and quite a variety of monsters and non GW models.
Some of the rule mechanics were unfamiuliar to me but the game flowed quickly and the combat was brutal with big numbers of troops and cavalry units 12-14 models each.

I hope GW doesn't go under because I cut my teeth on their games in the early 80's and they were fun (especially Man o War) and they make nice models (which I would like to continue collecting), also there is a GW store not far from where I have moved to recently and they are a handy hobby store if you need a brush or some paints, glue etc.
I don't want to play games with kids though I want to play with older guys like myself so...

Can anyone help me find out more about getting a rulebook for this Armies of Arcana.
I'm in London, where do I get it and where can I find out more about it?
I'd like to give it a try.

Thank you in advance.

Sergeant Uriel Ventris
23-10-2007, 18:41
Other than depth of setting, massive player base, lots of fiction (which reminds me, I have Palace of the Plague Lord to read!) etc..?

That book is great, it's exciting to see a follower of Chaos get what they deserve.

I don't understand why a person who dislikes a company and their products so much would continue to buy siad products or keep playing the game, let alone spend their free time posting on a website dedicated to said game and products. For all those who fit into that category, maybe you should reexamine what you're doing with your time and spending your money on, if you hate GeeDub so much.

I love 40K. I enjoy fantasy. You cannot say that just because something includes elements of previously written fantasy or science fiction books that is unoriginal. God only knows who those "original" wirters were influenced by. Both 40K and WHFB are unique worlds, filled with huge amount of background information. There is history there. There are factions that you can't find anyhwere else.

GeeDub is a good company, and if they dissapeared I would certainly be sad to see them go.

Zink
23-10-2007, 20:11
Can anyone help me find out more about getting a rulebook for this Armies of Arcana.
I'm in London, where do I get it and where can I find out more about it?
I'd like to give it a try.

Thank you in advance.

I'll send a head's up to some of the people I know play in or around London. Maybe one of them can help you out. As a last resort you can always order the book from www.thanesgames.com
For more info you can check out the forum here
http://rajdhillon.forumup.ca/index.php?mforum=rajdhillon

I'm a bit soured on GW right now but I've been playing their games since the mid eighties. I don't want them to disappear but I really hope they can make some changes.

GhanburiGhan
23-10-2007, 20:14
Thanks very much Zink, I appreciate it.

grickherder
23-10-2007, 20:26
I'm in London, where do I get it and where can I find out more about it?
I'd like to give it a try.

Thank you in advance.

I'd head over to the Armies of Arcana forum and ask there. From what I understand there's quite a vibrant club who play AoA in the London area:

http://rajdhillon.forumup.ca/?mforum=rajdhillon

This thread looks like it would have a good number of people you can private message/email about the game:

http://rajdhillon.forumup.ca/viewtopic.php?t=1109&highlight=london&mforum=rajdhillon

EDIT -- good job Zink, I should have reloaded the thread before I posted to see you already replied.

Andyalloverdaplace
23-10-2007, 20:29
Me, I'd start praying that the folks at ADB (who made the rules for Starfleet battles) would rewrite the rules using their amazing cross reference system. It's the one thing I loathe about GW, you can spend a considerable amount of time digging for some rule buried in a paragraph completely unrelated, whereas the ADB system has a logical numbering system, so that you can see under "immune to instant death" for example, the cross reference number to eldar wraithcannons, or the chaos thing that turns people into spawn.

Zink
23-10-2007, 20:34
EDIT -- good job Zink, I should have reloaded the thread before I posted to see you already replied.

Usually it's me that types too slow. I have a low post count because there's lots of people out there that say things faster and better than me. So no use wasting my time repeating;)

Grond
23-10-2007, 20:55
Can anyone help me find out more about getting a rulebook for this Armies of Arcana.
I'm in London, where do I get it and where can I find out more about it?
I'd like to give it a try.



check out www.thanegames.com.
Caliver Books stock the rules in the UK as do Terrain Warehouse
Theres a good forum at www.rajdhillon.forumup.ca/index.php?mforum=rajdhillon

As for GW. I wouldn't miss their games. The figures are nice but then so are many other manufacturers. I think the industry would miss the introduction they give to new young gamers. They have taken an obscure hobby and made it more mainstream. I'm not sure how that void would be filled as no other company has a high street presence.

grickherder
23-10-2007, 21:12
I'm not so sure that anyone that GW attracts who is not already predisposed to being a gamer really hangs in there long term anyway. Do they really attract gamers or just some teenagers who give it a go for a year or two and then never bother with it again?

GhanburiGhan
23-10-2007, 21:21
@Grond, thank you for the information, I'll call Caliver Books tomorrow about getting a copy of the rules through them.

@Grickherder, thats a good question.
Once upon a time I would have been more inclined to think it was an all gamer environment all the time but it has become clear that GW have a different agenda and different priorities than they did in previous times.
Thats the nature of shareholder driven business entities.

If GWPLc goes under I'm confident their products would be made available through some other company or outlet.

Mad Doc Grotsnik
23-10-2007, 21:22
Well, GWs in store system is designed to retain gamers, and convert casual attendees into the rabid Hobbyists they need.

Recently, due to my particularly infectious form of Gamerabies, 3 former gamers have come back into the fold. Well, I say my Gamerabies, it was more Apocalypse, but without my gibbering to fellow Nerds down the pub about it, they wouldn't have gotten fired up about it.

So make of that what you will.

feelnopain666
23-10-2007, 21:47
I just say "I told you so, I told you not to take a crap on older players, just to win more new costumers. HA HA HA HA. Lets play some games of Battletech and Starship Troopers!!

huron
23-10-2007, 21:51
i would just keep on playing

Chainsofsigil
23-10-2007, 21:53
If GW went under it would be a shame. For all their faults, they did (huge sweeping generalisation alert) get most of us into wargaming and they do have some good idea's amongst the more generic stuff (Doomwheels! Fanatics! Yaar!)

It wouldn't be the end of the world if they did vanish, Id just be worried that no new players would find their way into the Wargaming hobby. For Vets it wouldnt be much of a problem, just more games of Armies of Arcana/Fantasy Warriors or Battletech/Warmachine played eh ;)

Mad Doc Grotsnik
23-10-2007, 22:12
I just say "I told you so, I told you not to take a crap on older players, just to win more new costumers. HA HA HA HA. Lets play some games of Battletech and Starship Troopers!!

Yup. Lets the play the games of companies who have done far less for their customers than GW!

OBISPUDKENOBI
24-10-2007, 00:16
If GW went under i expect the rest of the sci-fi and fantasy wargaming as a whole would follow within a few years, i still say that if it wasnt for GW the vast majority of the other wargames (ie warmachine) wouldnt have a market to sell to and without the big fish the pond would stagnate quickly.

show me a sci-fi /fantasy wargamer who hasnt got any GW products ....not gonna happen

Crazy Harborc
24-10-2007, 00:52
I too believe that a majority of GW's players and the other companies who target the same gamer's nitche market might drift away after GW is gone. Still, the people playing 40K, WHFB and the competition's versions are not the majority of the world's wargamers. There are millions of wargamers who do not play GW's rules for any wargames. After all GW has only claimed that world wide 750,000 people play GW's versions of wargaming. Even if there is only 6 million wargamers world wide. That means 5 out of 6 of them do not do any of GW's rules and or minies.

IMHO, the hobby of wargaming will go on with or without GW. Wargaming (as the hobby we recognize) IS much older than GW.;)

Carlos
24-10-2007, 09:37
I think that as long as some sort of forum exists somewhere to discuss new rules and create a community to moderate things, in the same way that the specialist range has then things wouldnt go pear shaped.

If I were GW Id be trying to sell out my IP's to some good Games Developers (or better still: Buy Relic) and start making money elsewhere as opposed to the core wargaming business.

CasperTheGhost
24-10-2007, 12:26
We'd probably see AT-43 replace 40k, in America/ Europe anyway.

I finally got around to playing a game of this, and the rules system is much more interesting to play than 40k, while still being simple. You can say what you like about the prepaints, but you can't deny that they're a gigantic cash cow (take a look at the dozens of different wizkids games out there).

I'd much prefer Urban War/Metropolis to take off since I like the game more, but without plastics, I think it's always going to be relatively niche.

The great thing is that the average game of AT-43 last about an hour (in my experience).


NOOO!!! Not right before the new Ork stuff!

Okay, okay, and for the Dark Eldar players: NOOO!!! Not before the Dark Eldar get redone!

Yeah like that is going to happen any time soon.

I would be upset that the models and the rules systems disapperared, as it is quite fun. On the other hand i've stopped going to my local store as GW has gone down hill IMHO. Since the old staff left, the store has seemed to given up on the the fun and gone back to brand new customers only. I may be one of the few people that see this but the fact is that i am not really welcome there. One of the staff dislikes me for no particular reasons other then that sometimes I don't want to play a game. The fact is I have been driven out by the store by the very people running it.

Now this isn't i hate GW rant. In fact i really enjoy it. The models are great and the rules systems aren't that bad. The fact is my gaming experience has gone down hill because of pretty much every staff member i've meet.

In short i wouldn't want the models and the game to go, but apart from that i wouldn't be that bothered.

I mean you can get warfare by going paintballing and converting a load of scrap into a tank with a paintball minigun on top. :evilgrin:

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