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AbyssRaven
24-10-2007, 10:59
I dont supose someone has links or good, accurate information about Croneworld Eldar, Exodite, or Corsair Eldar ?

Thanks for your time

-R

DantesInferno
24-10-2007, 11:08
Were you looking for anything in particular? 2nd ed Eldar Codex is probably the first and best port of call for general information about those Eldar factions.

Sephtar II
24-10-2007, 11:21
I was under the impression that there werent any croneworld Eldar, they had all left and the craftworld ones visit form time to time (unless you count altansar god know where they went since they left the eye of terror). There is a fair bit on exodites and corasirs in the current codex.

Imperialis_Dominatus
24-10-2007, 12:00
There are some croneworld Eldar. They are referenced in the 3rd ed. Chaos dex. Irrevocably insane, mutated, you know, all that Chaotic ****.

AbyssRaven
24-10-2007, 14:16
Just general information.
Im considering converting up one of these eldar forces.
I havnt any eldar codex.
I would probally look at doing an Exodite Eldar list sinc ei know the most about them
Considering basing them of an eldar List with limits (jet bikes become dragon knights, limite exarchs and rename them ect. ) But was trying to find back ground information on all 3 to see which, and if i like them

Gdolkin
24-10-2007, 14:23
somewhere on the internet is Agis Neugebauer's Exodite background, army list and models.. I have no idea where on warseer i found the link or how to make a link, but try googling Agis Neugebauer/Exodites and see, or maybe someone who sees this will be reminded and can point you there.. Agis also does some pretty funky Dark Eldar.. Good luck buddy

Argastes
24-10-2007, 14:58
I havnt any eldar codex.

I would strongly recommend you buy yourself a copy of the 2nd Edition Eldar Codex if you are interested in Eldar background material. The 2nd Edition codexes had huge amounts of background info in them, and in addition to there being more of it, it was often of higher quality than what's in the current codexes. You should be able to find a copy on eBay for a reasonable price. I got my 2nd Edition Eldar codex on eBay for $14 shipped, which is less than what you'll pay for a current codex in a GW store--and the 2nd Edition codexes are much thicker books. It could be even less if you find a good deal; I got my 2nd Edition Chaos codex for $5 shipped.

MrBigMr
24-10-2007, 15:54
I would suggest BFG rulebooks for some info. My friend is making an Eldar army for 40K based on his fleet, which isn't really a Craftworld force.

Then there's some stuff on Chaotic Eldar in Canadian Medusa V campaign:
http://ca.games-workshop.com/Wrath/Story/Saaremaa/home.htm
http://ca.games-workshop.com/Wrath/Hobby/daemon.htm

Last and least, my second novel I'm currently writing at BL forum has a bit set on a Maiden World at the beginning. All the knowledge on it might be far from truth, but it's all I've picked up and pieced together:
http://forum.blpublishing.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1073

Bregalad
24-10-2007, 16:15
On Exodites, try the fan-made Codex Exodites: http://www.agisn.de/html/codex_exodites.html

In the 4th edition Codex, it is only mentioned that the existence of Croneworld Eldar can't be ruled out. Corsairs and Exodites are also shortly mentioned in 4th and 2nd edition Codex.

Most people would say, that there can't be Chaos Eldar (or Croneworld inhabitants) as their souls are immediately eaten by Chaos entities, but some people (esp. those who like to add tentacles and spikes to EVERYTHING, plus C.S.Goto:rolleyes:) think otherwise. In Rogue trader days, there were Chaos Eldar minis though, but fluff has changed since then. Only possible candidate known to me: Scorpion Phoenix Lord.

Idaan
24-10-2007, 18:24
Most people would say, that there can't be Chaos Eldar (or Croneworld inhabitants) as their souls are immediately eaten by Chaos entities, but some people (esp. those who like to add tentacles and spikes to EVERYTHING, plus C.S.Goto) think otherwise. In Rogue trader days, there were Chaos Eldar minis though, but Fluff has changed since then. Only possible candidate known to me: Scorpion Phoenix Lord.Most people should read their fluff.;)
They're referenced in WD 127, and seeing that new codex is a throwback to it, it's plausible to think that they're still canon.


Among the mortal inhabitants can still be found Eldar, some preserved since the time of the Fall, who champion the cause of Chaos on the Daemon Worlds and throughout the galaxy.
And I wouldn't say that they're mutated or very corrupted. Eldar spirit is described as very strong and resistable to possession and corruption - other than that which comes from their mind itself. So we're talking more Ahriman or Abaddon (bitter, cold, treating Chaos as a tool) rather than Kharn or Typhus.

Same thing can be said about their body, as it's described as stable and unchanging through course of history.

But that's IMHO.


Regarding Pirates you can find some fluff on them in BFG rulebooks which can be found here:
http://www.specialist-games.com/battlefleetgothic/rulebook.asp

chris.seraphim
24-10-2007, 18:49
The Croneworld, Exodites and Corsairs have been qwuite badly handled in the fluff, always only ever referred in ways that affect the 'mainstream' Craftworld Eldar, such as invasions of Exodite worlds being reasons for the Craftworlds to go to war, or Yriel's fleet saving Iyanden from the 'Nids.

As such most of the 'official' fluff, is written either from an Imperial Scrbes PoV (as seems to be the case with so much, yawn!) or from the PoV of a Farseer or Exarch, and as such concentrating more on their needs and motivations than the Exodites they are their to save etc.

But heres the basic background I infer from everything I've read, through WD, 2 or 3 Eldar Codices and just the way I tend to think.....

Eldar Exodites -
Before the Fall, there were those Eldar who disapproved of the excess their people had slipped into, and wished to be something else. So they left the Eladr Homeworlds and travelled far across the galaxy, through the webway to the newer, less populated parts of the galaxy (the Eastern Fringe) and took residence on those Maiden Worlds* that had come to their useful stage. They retreated from the technological and emotional excess of the Homeworld Eldar, and adopted a more rustic, simple way of life.
As such, they did not Fall, but they are a tiny fraction of the Eldar race and are small in numbers, and reduced in technology. Likewise without the Path of the Seer, they lack the same focussedf psychic strength of the Craftworlds.
They avoid the fate of the Eldar by being unobtrusive and hiding away on the fringes, living a simple life. The Craftworld Eladr look upon them almost as rustic cousins, with tolerant (whatever passes for) affection. Human incursions onto unclaimed Maiden Worlds or those harbouring Exodites are the cause for many Imperio-Eldar confrontations.

The Exodite world have worldwide 'world spirits' which hold the souls of dead exodites after death, fulfilling the same role as the Infinity Circuits of the Craftworlds, somthing to be protecvted, and something any daemon would wade a mile of blood and razors to get into.....

In essence, the Exodites are the Eldar analogue for Wood Elves, substituting high tech like Jetbikes for the 'dragon-like' creatures that inhabit their worlds.
Make no mistake they are fornmidable warriors, and far more passionate than their craftworld kin, but they don't have all the fancy tech.

*- Maiden Worlds. Worlds seeded for eventual coloniosation by the Eladr at the height of their powers, most now lie unoccupied. Human annexation of Maiden worlds is OFTEN a cuase for war between them and the Craftworlds - it has been alleged to (such as in Fulgrim) in fluff that the Tau Empire lies astride a number of Miaden Worlds that the craftworlds of the area were too hard pressed by other forces (Tyranids mostly) to defend.....

Summation - I like to see the Exodites as more 'frontier' Eldar, more rough & tumble, but still in posession of the same fragil grace. If the Eldar are meant to be an analogy of a howling fast Celtic attack, all chariots and tall, lithe warriors, then I'd see the Exodfites as red indians, frontier warriors, fighting for their homes, without the numbers or tech of their opponents, but fighting as they have no choice.....


Corsairs -
Some Craftworld Eldar find the Eladr Path to constraining, some of these leave to wander the Webway and visit the Exodites. These are Rangers. Some of these find themselves drawn to the dangerous life of a pirate, praying on Mon-Keigh shipping, and living for combat and gain.

Summation - Thats about it, aside from Yriel, the Corsairs have been badly neglected in the fluff (and I would have though the rebel-but-not-actually-bad Eladr thing would be quite fun to write for..) Aside from that a lot of their look, and 'feel' has been hijacked by the Dark Eldar, so Im not sure where they stand anymore......

Croneworld Eldar -
When the Eldar fell, their homeworlds were swallowed by the Eye of Terror and changed into ruined chaotic landscpaes as the millions of inhabitants had their souls sucked from their bodies and consumed, by She Who Thirsts....

Summation - In my view, THATS IT any Eldar at Point Zero were immediately gulped down by the Lord of Pleasure, as are any that die without their soulstone on, fall off the path or fart in church. End of.
UNLESS....you want to go down the road that some Ekldar actually started worshipping Slaanesh BEFORE her birth, and were spared, to be her most deviant acolytes, her first apostles. But there is NO fluff to support this, as far as I know.

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Hope that was a help,
CS

FruitSmack!
24-10-2007, 19:21
Most people would say, that there can't be Chaos Eldar (or Croneworld inhabitants) as their souls are immediately eaten by Chaos entities, but some people (esp. those who like to add tentacles and spikes to EVERYTHING, plus C.S.Goto:rolleyes:) think otherwise. In Rogue trader days, there were Chaos Eldar minis though, but fluff has changed since then. Only possible candidate known to me: Scorpion Phoenix Lord.

Mostly incorrect. Firstly, the Croneworlds are the few planets not destroyed by the birth of Slaanesh. They are what's left of the original Eldar home worlds. They're corrupted beyond imagination as are what's left of their survivors who probably could only technically be called Eldar at this point.

As for Eldar souls that' is incorrect as well. Their souls are devoured by Slaanesh for eternity when they die. To get around that pesky eternity trapped as shim's personal sex toy, the Eldar wear soulstones. Just before they die, their soul and psyche is transfered into that stone, ideally for safe keeping in the Infinity Circuits of their Craftworld and/or being turned into a Warlord or Warwalker.

The Harlequins, by the by, get around this through their rites and rituals. The Dark Eldar of course, have neither and when they die their souls are consumed by Slaanesh.

aaron

Bregalad
24-10-2007, 21:46
Most people should read their fluff.;)
They're referenced in WD 127, and seeing that new codex is a throwback to it, it's plausible to think that they're still canon.

So you found a happy WD issue from the last century, more than 15 years old, where GW discussed Epic Squats (in that very issue), all Eldar were Corsairs, Guard/SM had lots of jetbikes, and Tyranid armies consisted mostly of Genestealer cultists and Zoats. Yeah sure, must have missed that GW didn't change a thing since then :rolleyes:


Mostly incorrect. Firstly, the Croneworlds are the few planets not destroyed by the birth of Slaanesh. They are what's left of the original Eldar home worlds. They're corrupted beyond imagination as are what's left of their survivors who probably could only technically be called Eldar at this point.

As for Eldar souls that' is incorrect as well. Their souls are devoured by Slaanesh for eternity when they die. To get around that pesky eternity trapped as shim's personal sex toy, the Eldar wear soulstones. Just before they die, their soul and psyche is transfered into that stone, ideally for safe keeping in the Infinity Circuits of their Craftworld and/or being turned into a Warlord or Warwalker.

The Harlequins, by the by, get around this through their rites and rituals. The Dark Eldar of course, have neither and when they die their souls are consumed by Slaanesh.

aaron

Most Eldar on Croneworlds were killed instantly by the big bang (see current Codex). Only croneworlds at the rim had a slight chance of surviving Eldar.

Soulstones were introduced by Craftworld Eldar to keep the soul from being eaten by Slaanesh. This implies that they were only invented AFTER the birth of Slaanesh. And Chaos actively hunts for Eldar souls, as seen by the Webway construct and the Rune helmets of the farseers. Eldar exposing themselves to Chaos shouldn't last long. Harlequins are under special protection of the Laughing God, except the solitaires, who are mostly doomed as well. DE have a special deal with Slaanesh, that's right.

MrBigMr
24-10-2007, 21:55
Soulstones were introduced by Craftworld Eldar to keep the soul from being eaten by Slaanesh. This implies that they were only invented AFTER the birth of Slaanesh. And Chaos actively hunts for Eldar souls, as seen by the Webway construct and the Rune helmets of the farseers. Eldar exposing themselves to Chaos shouldn't last long.
The Imperium has Gellar fields and all that, so just because the Eldar have better Warp tech, doesn't mean they're anyway more spacial when it comes to daemons preying on their souls. Isn't Chaos after everyone? I don't think there is a race that hasn't been corrupted in a way or another.

Bregalad
24-10-2007, 22:06
Almost every relevant piece of fluff states that Eldar souls are preferred by Chaos and shine bright in the warp.
And Chaos is not after Tau, them having no warp presence.

FruitSmack!
24-10-2007, 22:19
Most Eldar on Croneworlds were killed instantly by the big bang (see current Codex). Only croneworlds at the rim had a slight chance of surviving Eldar.

Soulstones were introduced by Craftworld Eldar to keep the soul from being eaten by Slaanesh. This implies that they were only invented AFTER the birth of Slaanesh. And Chaos actively hunts for Eldar souls, as seen by the Webway construct and the Rune helmets of the farseers. Eldar exposing themselves to Chaos shouldn't last long. Harlequins are under special protection of the Laughing God, except the solitaires, who are mostly doomed as well. DE have a special deal with Slaanesh, that's right.

?

Isn't that basically what I just said?

aaron

Luthien
24-10-2007, 23:28
The question of Chaos Eldar boils down to what you like to believe. They existed officially in previous editions and since no official correction* has been made they could still exist. Personally i like to believe they do, it adds depth but thats me.

* They just haven't been mentioned for a very long time

FruitSmack!
25-10-2007, 00:10
The question of Chaos Eldar boils down to what you like to believe. They existed officially in previous editions and since no official correction* has been made they could still exist. Personally i like to believe they do, it adds depth but thats me.

* They just haven't been mentioned for a very long time

I don't think you need to do that anyway. Croneworld Eldar are pretty much Chaotic Eldar.

aaron

Kage2020
25-10-2007, 00:36
Almost every relevant piece of fluff states that Eldar souls are preferred by Chaos and shine bright in the warp.
And Chaos is not after Tau, them having no warp presence.
Seems like the idea of sharks and blood, to me.

Kage

Khaine's Messenger
25-10-2007, 03:52
Most people should read their fluff.;)

I think the touchy thing here is that Chaos Eldar are so hard to implement creatively on the tabletop that they may as well not exist at all...because the first natural impulse for Chaos conversions is "tentacles, spikes, and such." The secondary impulse is "well, I suppose they wouldn't be all that different, really, because Eldar are traditionally very resilient to psychic energies...blah blah...." At which point, it kind of becomes a little meaningless unless you're the sort of person that keeps up with their background on a consistent basis and likes shooting bull about your army's background (at which point you will probably be drilled on knowledge of the aforementioned flavor-text). The next level up is roundabouts here, where you reach at the idea that they are super-elite and rare beyond belief, but then you get into a sort of cyclical argument based on the central problem faced by a lot of "super-rare" things on the table-top. Or in Black Library novels, for that matter. No, much better they not exist at all. It simplifies matters of representation. Which is a shame, but nowhere near as much a shame as other holes in the background material.

To the OP, the main sources on "Chaos Eldar" are the 2e 'dex and the quoted bit from WD 127. There's really very little on the concept, so you're free to pretty much invent everything from the ground up. I remember trying to involve myself in a project back on the GWMB (when they still existed) to make a Chaos Eldar 'dex...really, all it was in the end was name-substitutions and wargear tweaks for the CWE 'dex. Which was, I think, why the project died.

Exodites are a far more mixed bag, but you have to really drill for information on them. There you're just going to have to keep your eyes and ears open.

AbyssRaven
25-10-2007, 04:47
I dont think all crone world are dead.
I stumbled across soemthing interesting earlier by accident..

Page 84, WG 284(aus)
Heroes and Villans: Maugen Ra
Excert "They arrived on the hex-world of Belial the Crone as an avenging comet, into the heart of battle"
It dosnt scream crone world exactly..but to me it implies it heavily

I will keep my ear's peeled for Exodite news though. Wait until im happy ith my knowledge then maybe do something for them

Idaan
25-10-2007, 13:12
So you found a happy WD issue from the last century, more than 15 years old, where GW discussed Epic Squats (in that very issue), all Eldar were Corsairs, Guard/SM had lots of jetbikes, and Tyranid armies consisted mostly of Genestealer cultists and Zoats. Yeah sure, must have missed that GW didn't change a thing since then
Uhm, no.
I found the issue in which all of the current Eldar fluff was introduced, along with Craftworlds, Khaine, Aspects and Path, and which is nowadays still regarded as best background article Eldar ever had by most of the Eldar fans. Kage 2020 or any other Eldarphile can confirm it. To further it, most of the fluff in current codex was a direct copy/paste of this article and none, I repeat none of background contained therein has changed since its publishing. Save maybe Exarchs having to be single aspect.
So I think that as (almost) nothing from this particular article has changed, we can safely assume that the bit about Chaos Eldar is still valid.

You may not like it, you may pretend it's not there but you cannot deny its existence.


Page 84, WG 284(aus)
Heroes and Villans: Maugen Ra
Excert "They arrived on the hex-world of Belial the Crone as an avenging comet, into the heart of battle"
It dosnt scream crone world exactly..but to me it implies it heavily
Belial was described as a capital world of the Eldar (hence a capital, not the capital) located within the EoT. So it's a Croneworld. Regarding the enemy which they fought there, Death by Thousand Cuts says:

They took the fight to the indigenous Chaos forces with such unremitting fury that vast areas were reclaimed by the Eldar.(...) The final, and most decisive, twist to this peculiar theatre of war came when a Daemon horde led a counter-attack against the Eldar consolidating their hold on the crone worlds, as sudden as it was devastating. To the great shock of the Eldar below, the withered and broken Craftworld of Altansar, thought lost to the Warp for 10.000 years, drifted into orbit above the crone worlds. Hundreds of pallid, ghost-like Eldar joined their brethren on the field of battle, throwing back the Daemon tide with wave after wave of silent, grim warriors. Since that great victory Belial IV has been reclaimed by the Eldar. What this, and the reappearance of the Lost, bodes for the Eldar race remains to be seen.


To the OP, the main sources on "Chaos Eldar" are the 2e 'dex and the quoted bit from WD 127. There's really very little on the concept, so you're free to pretty much invent everything from the ground up. I remember trying to involve myself in a project back on the GWMB (when they still existed) to make a Chaos Eldar 'dex...really, all it was in the end was name-substitutions and wargear tweaks for the CWE 'dex. Which was, I think, why the project died.
I'm exactly on the third level you described when it comes to a Codex. Not only are they rare, but also they're probably very solitary and reclusive. Just as, well... Solitaire. And probably on a comparable power.
So no for an armylist, yes for a character in a novel or powerful Daemon Prince leading the forces of Chaos.

Gdolkin
25-10-2007, 14:08
AbyssRaven, Bregalad has given the link to Agis Neugebauer's Codex Exodites that i mentioned, dunno if you've checked..
Anyway, congratulations on your Ishamael character, that's damn good stuff, keep it coming! :)

Zzarchov
25-10-2007, 20:24
Personally the Idea of Croneworlders/Chaos Eldar makes alot of sense.

She who Thirsts is not the be all end all, nor the most powerful Chaos God. Eldar Chaos Cults to Khorne, Tzeentch and Nurgle probably existed pre-fall, and I don't She who thirts got a free reign on their souls. Especially any who followed Khorne, in original fluff it was Khorne and Slaaneshi fighting over Khaine that shattered him into pieces , Khorne is more than a little possesive.

Rockerfella
25-10-2007, 20:33
Uhm, no.
I found the issue in which all of the current Eldar fluff was introduced, along with Craftworlds, Khaine, Aspects and Path, and which is nowadays still regarded as best background article Eldar ever had by most of the Eldar fans. Kage 2020 or any other Eldarphile can confirm it. To further it, most of the fluff in current codex was a direct copy/paste of this article and none, I repeat none of background contained therein has changed since its publishing. Save maybe Exarchs having to be single aspect.
So I think that as (almost) nothing from this particular article has changed, we can safely assume that the bit about Chaos Eldar is still valid.

You may not like it, you may pretend it's not there but you cannot deny its existence.

Belial was described as a capital world of the Eldar (hence a capital, not the capital) located within the EoT. So it's a Croneworld. Regarding the enemy which they fought there, Death by Thousand Cuts says:


I'm exactly on the third level you described when it comes to a Codex. Not only are they rare, but also they're probably very solitary and reclusive. Just as, well... Solitaire. And probably on a comparable power.
So no for an armylist, yes for a character in a novel or powerful Daemon Prince leading the forces of Chaos.


Cripes, so are we saying then Idaan, that there are Craftworld and other Eldar living and caretaking this original Capital world even now? In the heart of the eye?

Cheers.

Iracundus
25-10-2007, 20:51
Considering the 13th Black Crusade occurred in the waning part of the year 999, which is still the 40K "present", the Eldar have held Belial IV for much less than half a year. What exactly they plan to do with their gain is never said and is not implied anywhere. They might not be planning a permanent presence. They could just as easily be salvaging artifacts and as much other pre-Fall stuff as possible before retreating back into the Webway.

Rockerfella
25-10-2007, 21:01
Indeed.

If Belial was indeed a capital world, then i'm guessing it could be buried full of 'YOUR REALLY DEAD* weapons. Interesting!

Idaan
25-10-2007, 21:19
Exactly. All these victories during the EoT campaign had to go somewhere. We were one of the highest scoring factions during it. Yet the biggest reward the Eldar got was killing of Eldrad. Ah well:rolleyes:
Rockerfella, on this rather half-legal site you can read the EoT reports now when GW has closed its website. Looking under headings Maugan Ra, Belial and Eidolon (the worlds, not the SM commanders) can cheer up even the most pessimistic Eldar fan.
http://redelf.h1.ru/w40k/eyeofterror/death_by_thousand_cuts.html

Rockerfella
25-10-2007, 21:25
Cheers Idaan, i'll be sure to have a look!

What always got my goat about the whole Eldrad thing was this. It kinda reeked of 'FIX' to me. The guy kills Abaddon in the official bat rep, survives himself, but ends up getting killed off anyways? The only Eldar character at that point with any depth whatsoever. Ah well.

As for the site you've suggested, i'm going to have a sneaky peruse right now.... :P

MrBigMr
26-10-2007, 11:19
What always got my goat about the whole Eldrad thing was this. It kinda reeked of 'FIX' to me. The guy kills Abaddon in the official bat rep, survives himself, but ends up getting killed off anyways? The only Eldar character at that point with any depth whatsoever. Ah well.
Just proves that to GW the Eldar are nothing but pointy eared clay pigeons for everyone to shoot at. They can't win, because then they wouldn't be such a 'dying race'.

I wonder who would have replaced Abaddon? Another clone son of Horus, takes the Talon and the title of Warmaster? Solid Abaddon, Liquid Abaddon and Solidus Abaddon, fighting for the legacy of Big Boss Horus.

bilbo82
26-10-2007, 12:08
a croneworld eldar or at least a eldar who serves chaos is entirely possible...upon death the eldars sole will go to slaanesh that is their doom and curse the soulstones are them trying to change their fate....ahra sold his sole to khorne during the fall, many other eldar could be corrupted to chaos before they die as a way to cheat slaanesh of his soul-tithe...in fact a conspiracy between the other 3 brothers may exist...war/magic/death to corrupt the eldar away from slaanesh just to keep their younger brothers power in check

personally i hope the daemonica codex at least mentions a bit more on the crone worlds just to give everyone a bit more evidence to work with

Rockerfella
26-10-2007, 17:00
Just proves that to GW the Eldar are nothing but pointy eared clay pigeons for everyone to shoot at. They can't win, because then they wouldn't be such a 'dying race'. Yeah, i agree with this totally. How dying can a race be though, with a population standing at anything from the millions to possibly billions? :rolleyes:

Anyways, i digress.

Kage2020
26-10-2007, 23:12
Yet you could offer up a thematic answer to that, Rockerfella, by asking how many terminal cancer patients there are? There might be hundreds, thousands, millions (etc.) in the world, but they're all still dying...

Ah yes, please donate to cancer research!

Kage

Rockerfella
27-10-2007, 02:05
Yet you could offer up a thematic answer to that, Rockerfella, by asking how many terminal cancer patients there are? There might be hundreds, thousands, millions (etc.) in the world, but they're all still dying...

Ah yes, please donate to cancer research!

Kage

LOL! Absolutely Kage! But still, what a riduculous comparison, nay matter how thematic its theme! (rhetoric tautology intended!) ;)

In all fairness, we both know that the Eldar probaby wouldn't die out as a species for hundreds of thousands of years. I've always found the whole 'dying race' theme a tad lame. Its another excuse for the Imperium to lack another serious challenger. Although, I like to believe the Eldar are far more numerous than most would believe, just not so numerous as they once were. ::)

Zzarchov
27-10-2007, 02:14
I think about it like this:

There are more Eldar than there are humans currently (in 2007), ALOT more.

Therefore, Humans must be a dying race and could never achieve galactic domination..not when another alien race is already firmly entrenched in galactic overlordship :\ (assuming that in the 40k timeline earth was once as it is now).

BrotherAdso
27-10-2007, 02:26
I always saw the 'dying race' thing as more of a psychic malady. For example, we could call Americans "an optimistic people," the Chinese "A pragmatic people," or the Brits "A phlegmatic people," etc. If Humanity is a driven race, the Tau are a young race, etc in this 'character' sense, then the Eldar are indeed a dying race. This is because their attitudes, actions, and ideologies are all fundamentally based on the conception that they have been mortally wounded (Iyaden) and must stave off disaster for their race at all costs (Ulwethe), maybe even work towards recovery (Biel-Tan). Either way, their whole outlook is pessimistic or desperate -- hence the 'dying' aphorism.

-Adso

Kage2020
31-10-2007, 00:02
Amusingly it seems that with have the three-fold division between "past," "present" and "future" that I see cropping up with remarkable regularity in the background material on the Eldar. ;)

Kage

Terrordar
31-10-2007, 00:21
Just wondering...

Wouldn't Eldar who worship Tzeentch, Khorne, or Nurgle be spared when the Eye of Terror Ripped open, under the right circumstances, of course?

Atrum Angelus
31-10-2007, 02:34
Almost every relevant piece of fluff states that Eldar souls are preferred by Chaos and shine bright in the warp.
And Chaos is not after Tau, them having no warp presence.

Ding!
The best way I've heard to describe how Chaos prefers Eldar was at a Games Day a while back.
Think of the Warp as a giant black sheet (like the one on your bed). Eldar souls shine like a baseball size hole in the sheet with one of those uber LED lights shining through it.
Humans are like a marble sized hole with a incandesent bulb shining through.
Tau are a pin hole with a glowing amber on the other side shining through.

If you were Chaos, what would seem the most appetizing?
Hope that helps.