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Higherlander
31-10-2007, 11:05
Where the Thousand Sons at Terra? For the life of me, I can't remember.
It seems like it would have been too soon for them to be able to mount any type of offense, especially since they had just recently been schooled by Russ.
Also, since Magnus never officially betrayed the Emperor, I wouldn't consider the TS to be a Traitor Legion persay. Chaos Space Marines, most certainly, but not original Traitors. They just don't seem to fit in with the fiery Worldeater and EC crowd.

DantesInferno
31-10-2007, 11:14
Most sources say yes. Here's part of the account of the Siege of Terra, published in WD 270 or so:


The pods touched ground and from them erupted the mightiest champions of Chaos, the renegade Space Marines of the lost legions. These were no longer the fine human warriors of legend but twisted creatures, bodies warped by the energies of Chaos, minds twisted by their devotion to the dark powers. If what had happened to the Space Marines was bad then what had happened to their Primarchs was worse. They had been created higher in the Emperor's esteem and had fallen further. None of their former comrades would have recognised them - they had been transformed into creatures both daemonic and exultant.

Mighty Angron bellowed orders to his blood-drinking followers, the World Eaters. Brandishing his great runeswordhe led them against the defenders of Eternity Wall Spaceport. Around his red-armoured followers bolter shots whined. Unflinchingly they advanced, determined to spill blood for the Blood God.

At Mortarion's rasping command, the Death Guard emerged silently from the festering cocoons of their drop-pods and advanced on their terror-stricken foes. The dread runes on Mortarion's scythe glittered eerily in the night as he gestured for them to advance.

Magnus the Red glared triumphantly about him with his one watchful eye before ordering the mage-warriors of the Thousand Sons to cast their spells of doom.....

Reinforced by this fresh wave of troops, the hordes swept on, driving through the exhausted and demoralised Imperial troops to the very walls of the Emperor's palace. Khornate warriors howling their bestial war cries raced towards the marble and steel outer ring. Hordes of unstoppable Thousand Sons marched relentlessly forward, bolter fire raking the defenders. Slaaneshi Noise Marines swept aside the Imperial Guard infantry and reached the Saturnine Gate. Round the walls bitter fighting ensued as the Imperial soldiers sallied forth, trying to drive the attackers back before the main body of the assaulting troops arrived. Men died in their thousands. From pillbox emplacements in the palace walls Imperial gun crews rained death down on the relentless attackers. Again and again the streets outside the palace were swept clear of heretics. Again and again new foes stepped forward to take their place.

Their IA article even has them joining Horus over Istvaan V, well before the Traitors get to Terra. We'll see how the issue gets dealt with in the new Horus Heresy series of books...

Higherlander
31-10-2007, 11:36
Figures, GW and BL contradicting each other, reforming fluff, and then forgetting about that as well.
But the rubric hadn't been made yet, so how were the TS "unstoppable"? Post-rubric, they were automaton juggernauts, but pre-rubric they were just regular Marines with illegal sorcerors.

Noserenda
31-10-2007, 15:02
Figures, GW and BL contradicting each other, reforming fluff, and then forgetting about that as well.

They havent actually contradicted anything yet, aside from the IA articles, which lets be fair, are as reliable as a grot bomb.



But the rubric hadn't been made yet, so how were the TS "unstoppable"? Post-rubric, they were automaton juggernauts, but pre-rubric they were just regular Marines with illegal sorcerors.

Yeah, "Just" regular marines, real angry betrayed Marines with the power fo chaos behind them...

And im not even getting into the Magnus traitor discussion again :chrome:

pookie
31-10-2007, 16:54
yes they were in RT fluff any way, they were instrumental in helping break into the Palace, even after a breach was formed the emps psyic wards were hindering there advance, theres a story iirc were the TS fight a duel with the loyalist BA and IF Librarians.

ryng_sting
31-10-2007, 18:13
The Thousand Sons broadcast a message via the warp to Horus informing him of their new allegiance and that they'll rendez-vous with him at Terra, where the others had just set off.