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UltimateNagash
10-11-2007, 14:42
OK, well, the only thing that has to be in the army is a Dragon Mage. Cause this list is a trial for my friend, and he likes Dragons ;)
Cheers


Archmage 355
Level 4 Wizard, Loremaster's Cloak, Folariath's Robe, Silver Wand

Dragon Mage 435
Level 2 Wizard, The Gem of Sunfire, Dispel Scroll

Caradryan 175

24 Lothern Sea Guard 362
Shields, Sea Master, Musician, Standard Bearer, Banner of Arcane Protection

25 Lothern Sea Guard 340
Shields, Musician, Standard Bearer

24 Phoenix Guard 465
Keeper of the Flame, Dragonhorn, Musician, Standard Bearer, Banner of Sorcery

5 Shadow Warriors 80

5 Shadow Warriors 80

Repaeater Bolt Thrower 100

Repaeater Bolt Thrower 100

2492 points

Avatar of the Eldar
10-11-2007, 15:38
OK, I don't play at 2500 pts, but those blocks look a bit big. You could almost take each of them down by 5 models and build another block of spears at least.

Or, you could turn those Seaguard blocks into 20 strong spears (you've got bolt throwers and Shadow Warriors) and move the extra points into White Lions or Swordmasters. I think 24 Phoenix Guard is an over-investment. 19 plus your Archmage should be plenty. So, 2 x 20 spears and 19 PG will free up 365 pts to build a 20 block of White Lions with 25 left over for an item for the Guardian or a Banner (Lion or Arcane Protection)

If he really loves dragons, an alternative would be fielding two of them plus Dragon Princes. Roughly it would look something like this:

Characters
Archmage + Lvl 4 + Moon Dragon + 100 pts of items = 660
Dragonmage + Lvl2 + 50 pts of items = 435

Core

10 LSG no command = 130
10 LSG no command = 130
(alt - 2x10 Archers @ 220 pts)

Special
5 Dragon Princes - FC + Banner of Sorcery = 250
5 Dragon Princes - FC + Banner of Ellyrion = 215
5 Dragon Princes - FC + Lion Standard + Skeinsliver (because he'll WANT fist turn) = 250
5 Dragon Princes - FC + Banner of Arcane Protection = 225

Rare
2 x RBTs = 200

Total 2495 (I think)

This is probably a win big/lose big gambit, but would be novel.

UltimateNagash
10-11-2007, 15:43
That's the reason why I didn't do that. We agreed that two Dragons would be too restricting... and a very large gambit...
There's always something like this though:

Archmage 355
Level 4 Wizard, Loremaster's Cloak, Folariath's Robe, Silver Wand

Caradryan 175

Dragon Mage 435
Level 2 Wizard, The Gem of Sunfire, Dispel Scroll

19 Lothern Sea Guard 297
Shields, Sea Master, Musician, Standard Bearer, Banner of Arcane Protection

19 Phoenix Guard 390
Keeper of the Flame, Dragonhorn, Musician, Standard Bearer, Banner of Sorcery

5 Dragon Princes 250
Drakemaster, Skeinsliver, Musician, Standard Bearer, Lion Standard

5 Dragon Princes 215
Drakemaster, Musician, Standard Bearer, Banner of Ellyrion

Tiranoc Chariot 85

Tiranoc Chariot 85

Repeater Bolt Thrower 100

Repeater Bolt Thrower 100

2487 points

Avatar of the Eldar
10-11-2007, 16:20
That's the reason why I didn't do that. We agreed that two Dragons would be too restricting... and a very large gambit...
There's always something like this though:

Archmage 355
Level 4 Wizard, Loremaster's Cloak, Folariath's Robe, Silver Wand

Caradryan 175

Dragon Mage 435
Level 2 Wizard, The Gem of Sunfire, Dispel Scroll

19 Lothern Sea Guard 297
Shields, Sea Master, Musician, Standard Bearer, Banner of Arcane Protection

19 Phoenix Guard 390
Keeper of the Flame, Dragonhorn, Musician, Standard Bearer, Banner of Sorcery

5 Dragon Princes 250
Drakemaster, Skeinsliver, Musician, Standard Bearer, Lion Standard

5 Dragon Princes 215
Drakemaster, Musician, Standard Bearer, Banner of Ellyrion

Tiranoc Chariot 85

Tiranoc Chariot 85

Repeater Bolt Thrower 100

Repeater Bolt Thrower 100

2487 points

I like that a lot better. Much better balance and mutual support.

UltimateNagash
10-11-2007, 16:31
One of the few problems with that list is that a portion of it will be left behind... Although having that static part is good, I don't feel I have enough anti war machine - maybe I should drop a Chariot for 5 or 6 Shadow Warriors?

Von Wibble
10-11-2007, 18:08
Not sure I like the list myself. If I were to guess a tactic with it it would bew usnig DPs and chariot on each flank with 1 backed up by teh dragon. But if that were the case its too small in units.

The Phoenix Guard and Sea Guard are the only 2 solid CR units. LSG even with SF won't hold a determined charge leaving only 1 units that can - teh 400pt monster of PG. That one will be avoided by a canny foe.

Lots of magic items - some unnecessary? Banner of Arcane Protection and Loremasters cloak in same unit for example.

If it were me I would drop the PG and Sea guard and get spearmen to boost numbers, with maybe a small unit of PG to help out. 10PG and 3 units of spears should just about be gettable. This element of teh force can advance and mop up. Alternatively 2 units of spears, with 1 small block of PG leaves change for Great Eagles who can hunt machines, divert tricky foes and pursue fleers whilst teh combat units strike their next blow.

atlantis
13-11-2007, 13:21
BIG BAD DRAGON. i did build the model so i can mount eather rider on top

UltimateNagash
13-11-2007, 13:57
Then what about this?

Prince 274
Lance, Armour of Caledor, Elven Steed, Sacred Incense, Radient Gem of Hoeth

Caradryan 175

Dragon Mage 430
Level 2 Wizard, Dispel Scroll, Dispel Scroll

20 Spearmen 185
Musician

20 Spearmen 185
Musician

20 Spearmen 185
Musician

14 Phoenix Guard 290
Keeper of the Flame, Dragonhorn, Musician, Standard Bearer, Banner of Arcane Protection

5 Dragon Princes 250
Drakemaster, Skeinsliver, Musician, Standard Bearer, Lion Standard

5 Dragon Princes 230
Drakemaster, The Amulet of Light, Musician, Standard Bearer, Banner of Ellyrion

Repeater Bolt Thrower 100

Repeater Bolt Thrower 100

Great Eagle 50

Great Eagle 50

2494 points

feintstar
13-11-2007, 15:11
Not sure about small blocks of PG. You need them big for fear to work. SO if you're going with 14, take Swordmasters, or, better for what you've got in mind, White Lions - Oh whoops, just saw Caradryan... OK. but either way, swap the Banner of Arc Prot for Banner of Sorcery, and find the points give the Dragon mage a silver wand. (give you a hint, scratch 1 PG for 2 ranks of 7 and you've points for both..)

That way he's busting out up to a stupendous 9 PD of mostly direct damage per turn, with 2 more from the Prince (who does not have armour of caledor by the way, he has a helm of fortune - check it out) - great for shield of saphery and drain magic.

But it looks really good. So good in fact, I'm going to have to try something like this...

atlantis
13-11-2007, 15:54
where is my dragon :lol:

UltimateNagash
13-11-2007, 17:01
Dragon Mage ;) - always mounted on a Dragon :D

And the reason there's 15 Phoenix Guard, so I have not only three ranks of five, but two ranks of 8 when led by a character...

Prince 289
Lance, Dragon Armour, Helm of Fortune, Barded Elven Steed, Sacred Incense, Radient Gem of Hoeth

Caradryan 175

Dragon Mage 440
Level 2 Wizard, Silver Wand, Dispel Scroll, Dispel Scroll

15 Spearmen 140
Musician

15 Spearmen 140
Musician

15 Spearmen 140
Musician

19 Phoenix Guard 390
Keeper of the Flame, Dragonhorn, Musician, Standard Bearer, Banner of Sorcery

5 Dragon Princes 250
Drakemaster, Skeinsliver, Musician, Standard Bearer, Lion Standard

5 Dragon Princes 230
Drakemaster, The Amulet of Light, Musician, Standard Bearer, Banner of Ellyrion

Repeater Bolt Thrower 100

Repeater Bolt Thrower 100

Great Eagle 50

Great Eagle 50

2494 points

atlantis
13-11-2007, 19:10
when you say 'I' you mean me right

UltimateNagash
13-11-2007, 19:21
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Of course... :D

Nagash333
13-11-2007, 19:33
I created this 2500 list, please rate

Prince, moon dragon, dragon armour, lance, shield, bow of the sea farer, temakadors gauntlets, gem of courage=568pts

Level 2 Mage, seerstaff, powerstone=185pts

Level 2 Mage, Ring of Fury, Silver Wand=185pts

10 Archers, hawkeye=120pts

10 Archers, hawkeye=120pts

20 Spearelves, full command=205pts

18 Sword Masters, full command, warbanner=325pts

16 White Lions, full command, Banner of Sorcery=320pts

10 Silver Helms, full command, shields=270pts

Repeater Bolts Thrower=100pts

Repeater Bolts Thrower=100pts

Total=2498pts

atlantis
13-11-2007, 20:02
this was for another list. but looks good (i'm a new player so that is all i can say)

Kaleb79
13-11-2007, 22:01
whoah two Nagashes posting lists in same thread :wtf:

Nagash 333 start a new thread for a discussion of your own :) (first comment - never bother with Hawkeyes, total waste of points!)

UltimateNagash - glad to see your lists are now legal as second version didn't have 2 core minimum!

I would go for 2 bigger blocks of Spearmen with FC instead of the 3 blocks you have there. you could also give one of them a war banner

I presume your infantry are there to be the anvil for the hammer of your dragon princes?

And here's an idea - drop the Great Eagles to get yourself a Tiranoc chariot converted to be a dragon prince chariot - I've seen it done and it can look really sweet

atlantis
14-11-2007, 08:39
i was going for a lion charriot

UltimateNagash
14-11-2007, 20:15
Well, I could swap out Caradryan for Korhil, turn the Phoenix Guard into White Lions, and a Lion Chariot ;)

atlantis
19-11-2007, 13:27
well we have the shadow warriors and lions are better

Von Wibble
19-11-2007, 19:58
UltimateNagash - thats a much better list. Possibly 15 spears in a unit is a little fragile - I would agree with Kaleb that 2 x 21 might be better than 3 x 15

But never drop eagles. They are the best thing going! If you are going to trade for a chariot drop a bolt thrower - certainly chariots complement thisarmy nicely.

atlantis
19-11-2007, 20:34
what bolt throwers are bit time killers