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GeOrc
13-11-2007, 11:23
Hi all,

to train my english I decided to become member of new international Tabletop-Board. Former a druchii.net member I get bored there and leave because I develop into a new direction creating more different stuff than only druchii. I wrote a short introduction about myself in the introduction board, if someone is interested in some general questions about me is invited to follow the link:

http://warseer.com/forums/introductions-forum/112558-hello-all.html

Here I will show progress of my current projects, the development of them and of my skills. Iīm looking forward to discuss my work with you and hope you have some feedback, critic and ideas for me.


A bigger project I work on is a small 500 pts Beastman Army with mark of slaanesh:

The horde consist of:

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/Horde001.jpg

a shaman with mark of Slaanesh

a herd of 7 gors / 5 Ungors

a Chariot

a unit of centigors


Further I have made some experiments with Slaangors a year ago which I will continue to finsh a whole unit of them. This Slaangor is also basis for the design and the colour schema.

The slaangor idea based on Raffaele Stumpos fantastic unit which won gold on GD italy 2004.

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/Slaangor29.jpg


Here some more progress on the things I actually work on:

The herd:

conversions WIP:
Gors:
http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/Horde005.jpg
Ungors:
http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/Horde011.jpg

note the miniature on the left side on the gor pic is a Slaangor which will be mounted on the chariot.

painting WIP:

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/Horde014.jpg


The chariot:

conversion WIP:
http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/Auto002.jpg

The other things I will add as soon as they are ready for show them.
Next two weeks I will brak the beastmen project for work on a small project, converting and painting a high elf noble for the Games Workshop high elf painting challenge. I will add pics this evening.

Hope you like my stuff and look forward to a good conversation with all who are interessted in painting and modelling ;)

Regards GeOrc

redyellowpinkgreen
13-11-2007, 11:42
really like this stuff, any chance of a close up on the shaman?

Ninners
13-11-2007, 15:36
First of all, welcome to WarSeer!

Secondly, WOW! :D your painting is amazing. The colour transitions are perfect and the colour choices are great. I don't know if it's just the photo but the model looks a bit grainy.

Finally, good luck with your phd and I look forward to seeing some more pics of your models.

Crube
13-11-2007, 18:04
Some excellent painting there. Truly impressed.

COnsider me subscribed.

What colours are you using on the skin?

the_flash
13-11-2007, 18:18
Wow, extremely nice!
Could you make a short tutorial about how you did the flesh and maybe about the rest of the mini to(to train your English :p)?
Thx

Gazak Blacktoof
13-11-2007, 18:23
Are you spraying with a black primer and then dusting with a white primer to help with shading? Whatever you're doing its obviously working for you:p.

cerealkiller195
13-11-2007, 18:43
looks like it, the technique is supposed to help with natural shading/lighting right?

GeOrc
13-11-2007, 22:26
Thanks for the comments

@redyellowpinkgreen:

here a closer but bad pic of the shaman:
http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/Horde012.jpg
The Gors in the background are earlier experiemts of colour choice

@ ninners
hmmm... must be the pic, the mini looks better.. or the Camera see things I didnīt see?!?
This can also be because of the priming technic, but I will disappear with some more layers of colour.

@ Crube
The base is a mix of Scorched brown and liche purple. This mix is light with dwarf flesh. For the last highlights I used Bleached Bone. For the shadows I use a general shadow mix of Chaos Black and a bit Hawk Turquoise. This mix I use for very darken parts or to darken colours like the basic mix. Also I use some "Lasuren" (sorry donīt know the english word) which menas very thinned colours which is only used for effects more than colour something. Here I use Graveyard Earth and pure scorched Brown.

@ the flash
A tutorial, that is really difficult for my blending technic. Itīs hard to describe in words and more difficult in writing it, especially in english. But I will think about that.

@ the priming techic combine both positive effects of black and white priming (GW Primer).

I do it in the following order:

- soft black priming
- paint the whole miniature with thinned Chaos Black
- short shoots of white primer in a 45° angle from all 4 base sides from above
- short shoots of white primer in a 45° angle from all 4 base sides from below

The result should look brown / greyish
Avoid a totally white result!

This priming is needed to work with thin colours on a white Priming. There is need of as less as possible colour-layers. The rough surface helps to attache the thinned colour better to the surface. In the end you get a thinner paintjob and the miniature looks colourd and not painted.

@ cerealkiller195

Even if the miniature is painted with zenital light as a light source I donīt use a directed white priming for light simulation.


@ all,
how promised here the pics of the high elf conversion. Itīs very hard WIP but you can see the development of this miniature. Because the new high elf prince plastic sprue is a very bad one I only found a few bitz which were useful to create a prince on foot from Chrace. I hope you like it:

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/WhiteLion01.jpg

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/WhiteLion02.jpg

Regards GeOrc

violenceha
13-11-2007, 22:52
Those beastmen are excellent, can't wait to see more!

GeOrc
14-11-2007, 22:26
here new progress from the white elf:

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/WhiteLion03.jpg

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/WhiteLion04.jpg

Feedback welcome,

Regards GeOrc

ssorck
14-11-2007, 22:34
All of it looks great - the elf is fantastic, I'm partial tp Slaangors however:D

Toschenko
14-11-2007, 22:45
I'll definitely try your technique of painting over a "black than white" primered surface, thanks for posting it. Oh, and on a not-so-side note, your painting is amazing as well as your GS skills.

I'll follow this with keen interest,

Toschenko

Gazak Blacktoof
14-11-2007, 23:17
I've seen the priming technique before, will deffinitely give it a go sometime as it certainly produces jaw-dropping results if worked correctly and yours are certainly fantastic examples.

I'm not sure it'll work on necrons which is what I'm painting at the moment, I don't think there are enough deep recesses to make it effective.



Liking the lions on the breastplate BTW.

GeOrc
15-11-2007, 06:01
Thanks all for their comments and for the compliments.

Because of the priming technic, I learned it from Jeremie Bonamant a Master of Painting and after the first tryout I was convinced this is very useful. Be careful to have a thin priming and that the white primimng is homogene and the surface isnīt closed, How said the result look brown or grey.

Regards GeOrc

GeOrc
15-11-2007, 21:01
Update on the prince:

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/WhiteLion05.jpg

Regards GeOrc

Girathon
16-11-2007, 02:55
Good too see you back in action GeOrc! Love the lord, especially the breasplate.

Cheers,

Girathon

Crube
16-11-2007, 06:33
That lord is going to look awsome when it's finished... Nice one :D

armos
16-11-2007, 13:43
Eceptional work GeOrc.. the Slaangor is stunning, I love the contrast between the muted flesh-tones and the metallic areas and the blood splatter in particular is very effective. I may have to give that primer technique a try.

The High-Elf is also very nice.. you're a very talented sculptor.

can't wait to see more

GeOrc
19-11-2007, 07:19
thx all for their feedbakc and their comments.

Here I will show some progress I have from the weekend:

I started work on the flesh tones of the centigor unit:

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/Centigor003.jpg

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/Centigor004.jpg

And also I sculptured a bit. I bettered the cloth of the highelf in the midsektion and also on the edge. Now it looks more compact:

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/WhiteLion06.jpg

Hope you like it

Cheers GeOrc

Extension
19-11-2007, 20:16
Oh my ******* god :eek:

That is going to be one hell of an army!

(Subscribed)

GeOrc
19-11-2007, 22:28
thx Extension

here the new progress of the prince
I hope to get more feedback, or is no one interessted, if not I can drop this topic?!?

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/WhiteLion07.jpg

GeOrc

Gazak Blacktoof
19-11-2007, 23:51
Well I'm still interested.

Like the lion heads on the cloak, I think they are well executed, however I find them to be slightly out of place. I'm not sure how they would work as a practical adornment to an actual piece of armour.

If the cloak underneath the armour were extended slightly (as necessary, if necessary at all) smaller lions heads embroidered as part of a braid about its edge might look better if you want to incorporate the motif into another portion of his clothing.

AbyssRaven
20-11-2007, 02:53
Your skulpting and painting skill is amazing. im very envious
though i find the pose of the high Elf very very peculiar, though iw ill hold final opinion on that when i see the final pose formed up.

keep the log up, i really want to see more

Overt_Spy
20-11-2007, 04:28
Wow! Fantastic work in this log! Bravo on the Slaanesh beasties, I always thought making Slaanesh beasts would be the most difficult of the four gods since it's mixing beauty and the beast ( :o lame joke I know), but you've pulled it out fantastically.

Your sculpting is some of the best I've seen. I do share sentiments with Abyss though, I'm not quite sure of the pose on the HE. It could be because it's WIP, but I just don't quite 'get' the pose cause he's going to be wielding an axe, and as he's posed right now he's just kinda holding it, doesn't look like he's really in position to strike with it or anything. I personally think it'd look sweet if his arms were modeled so the axe head was near his feet, poised to send the axe up some unfortunate sod's lower bits, but that's just me. ( I feel like most mini's are modeled to 'strike down', ie with their weapons held above their heads, so I like the idea of throwing a curve ball and making it look like the mini is striking upwards..)

I like the lion's modeled on the armor of the cloak, most GW High Elf heroes have such adornments, look: http://us.games-workshop.com/games/warhammer/highelves/catalog/HE_Heroes.htm the Hero with the sword has the gold birds on his cloak, as does the hero with the axe. So yes, I like the lions on your HE prince

Enough of my rambling, great work, and please keep this updated, I can't wait to see more!

Oskar Maxon
20-11-2007, 06:02
Just wow - I wasn't sure about the sculpting of that prince after the first pictures, but now I sure am. It looks amazing! You truly are a great sculptor. And the paintings of those beasties isn't half bad either!

Gazak Blacktoof
20-11-2007, 09:55
I like the lion's modeled on the armor of the cloak, most GW High Elf heroes have such adornments, look: http://us.games-workshop.com/games/warhammer/highelves/catalog/HE_Heroes.htm the Hero with the sword has the gold birds on his cloak, as does the hero with the axe. So yes, I like the lions on your HE prince


Those are on the shields not the cloaks as far as I can see.

GeOrc
20-11-2007, 13:02
@ Gazak
I used here other high elf prince miniatures as reference, the swordmaster prince also has some dragonlike armour applikations on his scalemail. So I do here with lions.

Because of more lionheads, I think itīs enough, if I add more then as freehands while painting.

@ AbyssRaven,
the pose of my prince comes from thisn miniature:
http://www.games-workshop.de/warhammer/voelker/waldelfen/artikel/miniaturen-gal/bilder/WE_lordgreatweap.jpg
I think you see in which direction this prince will develop.

@ Overt_Spy
thanks for your kind words and that you like my work.
Because of the pose, see above.
because of the axe position, I have discussed this in an other board before. The problem is that most people see this miniature as a dynamic one, but it isnīt. When it would be right that the axe should be placed at the other side. But this will be a static miniature which should convince by his expression. Static fits a lot better to the highelfs because of their grace and arrogance. The face will be the most important part and because this isnīt finished itīs hard to imagine what I will show. But you can perhaps when taking a look at my reference miniature, the wood elf highborn with great weapon. This look I try to copy for this project.

Thanks al for your comments
If there is further critic, feedback or question please write

Regards GeOrc

Aflo
20-11-2007, 19:38
This plog is very impressive. Looking forward to more of your work :)

Crube
20-11-2007, 20:31
Please don't drop the project. I love it, and I am sure there are many lurkers on this thread who just havent bothered to post.

As a question, what are you planning on doing with the hair / head?

Siromcyre
20-11-2007, 21:32
we do seem to lurk a lot
that HE prince is amazing.

Overt_Spy
21-11-2007, 04:58
Hah, right after I posted I thought of that Wood Elf noble mini...


Those are on the shields not the cloaks as far as I can see.

Well look at the hero with the axe, look at his waist line, at the top of his lower scale armor, there's some bird ornaments over that armor, they're painted white on that particular mini, theres something similar on the sword hero too. Regardless, I still like the lions on his scale cloak.

AbyssRaven
21-11-2007, 05:15
Ahh i see where you are going. but i will be honest i never liked that pose , especially for elves.
i always envisioned elvish fighting as small precise close steps. It allows for greater mobility and dexterity, where as a stance such as that leads to less mobility and dexterity. Less movment over all.
But i also think of elves as being highly dexterous.

Lookinjg good though, keep it up

GeOrc
21-11-2007, 10:04
Here a pic with cloak and loincloth armature, both are very rough and are used as a surface for the detailed sculpt. Now you get a better idea of the pose and the look of this mini:

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/WhiteLion08.jpg

Regards GeOrc

agio65
21-11-2007, 11:42
just one word " Klasse " :angel:

GeOrc
22-11-2007, 07:58
@ Crube,
How said this should be a static pose and head and hair must fit to the flow which you find in cloak and loincloth. Heīs looking on his axeblade, looking at the blood (will be painted later) without hurry or fear. This silence should say come over hear and I will spill your blood as well. I will work here with the expression of the miniature less with the dynamic / movement. Working with the expression of satic miniature is far more difficult and also depends a lot on the paint job. I will work as hard as I can do present you an awesome result and share this pic in my mind with you.

Here a new pic of a different ankle with an reworked cloak and loincloth.

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/WhiteLion09.jpg

Regards GeOrc

scarletsquig
22-11-2007, 09:23
This is looking amazing, I like how the pose really makes the greataxe seem heavy.

Excellent sculpting, reminds me of a Rackham model. :)

75hastings69
22-11-2007, 10:37
@ GeOrc, the HE is outstanding so far, I can't wait to see it finished!

I really like the tones used on your beastmen, again I look forward to sseing more progress. Subscribed!

Guyver OmegaX
22-11-2007, 10:49
I've been watching this thread for a little while, and have really enjoyed seeing the Prince coming along - he's certainly come a long way too! He really looks fantastic, and I look forward to seeing more in the future.

One question though - what is his right foot resting on? I'm leaning towards it being a piece of tree (or similar).

GeOrc
22-11-2007, 11:41
thanks a lot that you enjoy the creation of the prince
and for all the compliments.

@scarletsquig
I think itīs not detailed enough for a Rackham miniature. I always use GW Miniatures as reference or armature (here an asurmen from 40k) and this leads the result always into the GW direction. Itīs also important for me that conversion fits into the miniature range of the army, thatīs why I try to become as close as possible to the original GW Style, with al its faults and beauty ;)

@ 75hastings69
thanks a lot, I hope you enjoy this topic. I will do my best that you donīt regret the subscription ;)

@ Guyver
Perhaps I will create some more High Elfs, I really enjoy work on this miniature and think about adding some converted units to create a small warband of 500 pts. Also I think about converting the new dragon, but after having converting Hellebron on Manticor this year which takes me more than 600 hours and still not finished, Iīm a bit afraid of such big monsters.

Because of the foot, it rests on a tree stump.

Regards GeOrc

Dark_Mage99
22-11-2007, 18:24
That elf is simply incredible. Very inspiring stuff. How did you go about sculpting the little lions on his armour? Any specific tools?

CMDante
23-11-2007, 20:08
Fantastic work so far, really loving the pose and sculpting so far, one question though, what are your plans for the head? Will he be getting some kind of nifty lion helm (perhaps like the lion helm in gladiator but without the face plate and a mane a bit like the silver helm champion style?) or will it be a free flowing hair and tiara affair?

Will be checking back regularly!

Keep up the good work,

Cheers,

Dante

GeOrc
24-11-2007, 15:53
Hi all, here the new progress of the miniature, nearly finished.

@ CMDAnte,
here you can see my idea for the head ;)

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/WhiteLion10.jpg

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/WhiteLion11.jpg

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/WhiteLion12.jpg

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/WhiteLion13.jpg

Regards GeOrc

Lostanddamned
24-11-2007, 17:56
That model is bleeding amazing.

GeOrc
25-11-2007, 11:49
hi all,
here the finished conversion:

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/WhiteLion14.jpg

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/WhiteLion15.jpg

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/WhiteLion16.jpg

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/WhiteLion17.jpg

Hope you like it

Regards GeOrc

Crube
25-11-2007, 12:00
That's not a conversion, thats almost a new sculpt...

Awesome work there - I for one am suitable dumbstruck

Well done - are you pleased with the result?

Shadowphrakt
25-11-2007, 12:16
wow, how can you do that! Thats brilliant! great pose too. well done!

BlazeXI
25-11-2007, 15:29
Korhil is my favourite mini from the new HE range. Yours is equally good. Consider me subscribed.

TheOverlord
25-11-2007, 16:54
Wow :O The few elves that I really like! Very nice work!

Toschenko
25-11-2007, 17:05
The sculpt is awesome :eek:, but IMHO the lion's paw is a bit, I don't know, it seems rushed... (I mean the bottom part, the top is stunning as the rest) and maybe the hairy part of the pelt is too long.

Bear in mind that this comes from someone who has the sculpting skills of a 3 years old, so you're authorized to ignore this comment :p.

Marvellous job and terrific sculpting skills BTW,

Toschenko

Crube
25-11-2007, 17:08
The more i look at it, i do agree with Toschenki on this... the last picture, where you can see the underneath of the paw doesnt look as polished as the rest, by your own very high standards...

Still incredible sculpting overall though...

ExquisiteEvil
25-11-2007, 19:18
Geo, good to see you here. Ive long been an admirer of your work.

This one is no exception - IMO this is how the new Korhil madel should have looked-dynamic, strong and majestic.

I do have to agree with the other posters on the underneath of the lions claw though - it just doesnt look like a paw.

Anyway, keep up the good work!

:)

Oskar Maxon
25-11-2007, 19:30
I noticed one thing witht he pad that the above people commented, and that is that you've made the pads as small "holes" and a line while in fact, the pads should be convex (The words won't come to me at ths time of the day, but hopefully you'll get my meaning anyway).

I don't know if it is possible or even desirable to fix this but I thought I'd point it out.

Otherwise it's an amazing sculpt you've got there!

-Oskar

BattleofLund
25-11-2007, 19:44
It's absolutely lovely!

I would do something about the haft+fingers, though (if I could sculpt at this magnitude, that is). As it is, the 'grip'-material (strips of leather?) seems to have a great deal of give in it, or else it wouldn't accommodate fingers of any thickness. This seems impractical (recipe for slipping), therefore I would welcome a thinning of the haft's grip material to make the fingers stand out more; or make the grip material fur (which can be fluffy while still tight).

Also, some work on the fingers (since they are up in the beholder's eyes, so to speak) would be good.

Overall, two big thumbs up!

GeOrc
26-11-2007, 09:37
@ crube,
Am I pleased, hmm difficult questio, yes and no.
First time since some time I have the ffeling again having made a wonderful miniature. But also a lot of things arnīt as good as they could be. There could be a lot of things optimized but I wouldnīt spend more than two weeks into the conversion and decieded to live with less quality and make it better with the next miniature. So in the end there are a lot of things which are good, but also a lot of things I donīt like. Most important is that i have realized my vision of this miniature and I really like it. Now itīs time to give it a really good paintjob which it deserves.

@ Toschenko,
how said there are a lot of things which arnīt perfect. For sure the pawn could be better. Here I used my manticor as reference which has a similar paw... the convex part is made as "hole" for shure less than I have done here...

@ BattleofLund
the problem is I need them to fix the parts und link them togehter...

Thanks all for their comments and tehir interest ind this miniature,

Regards GeOrc

The_Dark_Raven
26-11-2007, 10:32
this is really really good, i mean the overall thing is 10/10 in my mind. One thing that i see is what Toschenko said about the paw is really the only thing which is great.

Guyver OmegaX
26-11-2007, 11:55
Fantastic stuff GeOrc, well done indeed :)

Braided hair is something I always associate with Wood Elves more than High Elves, but it doesn't look out of place there at all.

Will we be seeing him painted up any time? Because I'm never happy :P

mrtn
26-11-2007, 16:44
Very nice stuff, looking forward to more.

:)

MAD MAN-A-TRON
26-11-2007, 16:54
The white lion sculpt is amazing, great work!

BattleofLund
27-11-2007, 00:35
Braided hair is something I always associate with Wood Elves more than High Elves


Yeah, me too. Like... less civilized? Or less urbanized? Fits with White Lions being outdoorsy types, anyway.

GeOrc: how about making the hands (fingers, really) just a smidgen thicker? For example, half a millimetre? Bit of balancing there, since the hands now look proportionate to the rest of the Elf - but not to the 'heroic' haft. (IMO).

Dark_Mage99
27-11-2007, 00:55
It looks top notch. I'll ask again, because my earlier question got lost in the sea of praise for this incredible sculp :D

How did you sculpt the decorative lions on his armour? Any particular tools?

Congrats on an amazing model.

Guyver OmegaX
27-11-2007, 07:26
Yeah, me too. Like... less civilized? Or less urbanized? Fits with White Lions being outdoorsy types, anyway.

Or they just remind me of hippies.

You're right though, ti does seem to fit well with White Lions. Although I just had a bizarre image of a White Lion crossed with Dog the Bounty Hunter...

GeOrc
27-11-2007, 10:21
@ Battle of Lund:
The miniature is already primed, so there is no chance to change anything, But I will try to correct faults in the sculpt with the paintjob.

@ Dark_Mage99
I used a WAX 5 for the rough work and the fine details I mad with a needle. so nothing really special. Only thing which is important and you should take care are the cure times.
This is a really rough timetable donīt take it too serious

1.) 0-20 min -> portion, get the right amount of gs to the surface. GS is sticky in the first 20 min, in this time you have to link it to the surface. Use a nearly dry tool to avoid that fluid getīs unter your GS and you lost stickyness.

2.) 20-40 min -> proportion, GS is less sticky and becomes harder. time to add rough proportions. This is the most important and the most difficult phase. You have to push and pull. Always remember what the thing shoul look like in the end, it it has a flow like cothes, hair etc, work with pulling movements. Pulling is in most cases better than pushing. In the beginning of this pahse is the last chance to add GS and get it conneced to the other GS!

3.) 40-60 min -> detailing, GS is hard, you are unable to add GS, not sticky. No itīs time to add alle the details. The GS still hold the shape of eerything you push into. Now its also time to work more with pushing movements.

Hope this helps ;)

Cheers GeOrc

GeOrc
27-11-2007, 22:17
hi all, here the first steps of the paint job, not much but a beginning. I tried a lot with the colours. Painting dark elfs for years makes it difficult paint with light colours. the blue touched NMM fascinates me so I spend here more time to get an idea if my plans will look good on the miniature. I have to do some correction work because the blendings arnīt perfect enough but I stay with this style and looking forward to the other leg and the breastplate. Hope you like it:

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/WhiteLion18.jpg

Regards GeOrc

LightedDark
28-11-2007, 03:34
Pretty.
Can't wait to see it with paint.

Minor question what is your first language?

Gazak Blacktoof
28-11-2007, 09:55
He's from Germany so I could hazard a guess...

Really like the finished sculpt. A quick question though.

The streamers/ pennants attached to the axe seem to be a different colour from the rest of the GS you mixed, why is this and was it deliberate?

I ask because it look to be more yellow which I'd have though made it softer and so more likely to distort.

silverstu
28-11-2007, 10:47
Hi GeOrc- fantastic sculpt on the elf- this really is how high elf heroes are supposed to look. Great sculpting skills there, matched by your pinting skills- can't wait to see you paint him up.

Bloodknight
28-11-2007, 11:04
@GeOrc: hi, didn't notice you were also over here, depressing average painters like me ;).
Good stuff. I am looking forward to seeing the Elf painted completely.

Übrigens: Lasur/en => Glaze/s. :)

GeOrc
29-11-2007, 07:33
@ LightedDark
Iīm from Germany, so my main language is German, I speak English and a bit French.

@ Gazak Blacktoof
I mixed GS here with BS, BS is to hard and breaks easily, GS is too flexible. Combine both result in a putty which is harder than GS alone and flexible enough so that it wonīt breake.

@ Bloodknight,
I donīt want to depress, I want to inspire :)

Regards GeOrc

Bloodknight
29-11-2007, 08:30
You do. I like the skin on your beastmen. It looks very good, but doable in a limited time.

GeOrc
29-11-2007, 22:07
Here pic of my current colour testing. The blendings are unfinished and really bad, but I will correct that next days.

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/WhiteLion19.jpg

Cheers GeOrc

Gazak Blacktoof
30-11-2007, 00:11
The blendings are unfinished and really bad

Cheers GeOrc
:eek:
You sir are demanding to say the least.

When I can paint like that I'll be a happy man.

GeOrc
30-11-2007, 21:00
tried a new gold NMM an a more yellow basis. I still have some problems with it but after the second lion it becomes better.
Here some new pics:


http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/WhiteLion21.jpg

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/WhiteLion22.jpg

The loincloath and the scaleskirt is still WIP, donīt look at them ^^

Regards GeOrc

Harry
30-11-2007, 21:08
The sculpt amazing. The painting is going to be even better.

You depress and inspire in equal measure.

OK where do I sign up? I want to learn to blend like this.

Lorcryst
30-11-2007, 21:23
Wow.

Just wow.

I dream of one day having some of your skills, sculpting and painting wise.
I know, practice, practice and more practice will make me better, but in the meantime I'll be impressed, inspired, a little depressed and quite a bit jealous of your models !

*subscribes to this thread with both hands*

Now I have another thread that will need bracing and a picking of my jaw from the floor to follow :D

Meticulous
30-11-2007, 21:36
You depress and inspire in equal measure.

Signed. I'm good enough with GS to extend some fur and make crude thumbs for power armor, but that's about it.

GeOrc, forgive me if this has already been asked, but how long have you been sculpting?

Nineswords
01-12-2007, 20:11
Hey GeOrc,

Good to see you on these boards, I was wondering when talent like yours would leave Naggaroth and see these shores :) How did the training DVD go? Are you still selling it?

As for the painting, excellent as always although NMM isnt really my style, I am curious as to how the primer techniques work - when I see close ups the white primer makes the model look rough like when the primer is jammed in the can or something, does it give the model a rough texture?

ZAChos
01-12-2007, 21:24
I like this baby a lot.

Consider me subscribed.

grhino
02-12-2007, 11:32
I am in awe... I want to see more of this! Are you going to build an entire HE army of Chrace? And how are your beastmen going?

GeOrc
02-12-2007, 21:41
Soory Iīm a bit in hurry and will answer the feedback tomarrow. Here a new WIP pic.


http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/WhiteLion23.jpg

Regards GeOrc

Astromarine
03-12-2007, 00:42
the ONLY thing that I don't think is absolutely perfect in that mini is that the lions seem to be "smiling" too much. I would reduce their 'mouths' to like half the size. It's probably too late by now, though, so carry on :D

GeOrc
03-12-2007, 21:38
@ Harry
you have PM ;)

@ Lorcyst,
Isee you come frim Belgium. I will give a Workshop on Dortmund in the beginning of 2008 there you can learn how to paint. Perhaps this would be interessting for you.

@Meticulous ,
I paint since 1998 and my first green I have sculptured in 2001, a really ugly witch elf by one of my most favoured Artworks, the withc elf from Matk Gibbons, shown in the 4. Edition Dark Elf Armybook.

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Circe/CirceGreen3.jpg

@ Nieswords,
Hi, nice to see some known ppl here :)
The DVd was dropped. Internal problems in the team.
Because of the primar technic, itīs a bit rough, but becomes smooth while painting ;)

@ grhino,
An army of Chrace... yes that would be nice, but I have still my beastmen of Slaanesh to finish and my darl elf tempel of Khaine as well. So many time and so much ideas ;) Thatīs the curse painting showcase, I donīt know exactly, but I think I will return to my beastmen after the HE.

@ Astromarine,
I will change that

Regards GeOrc

BattleofLund
04-12-2007, 02:05
the ONLY thing that I don't think is absolutely perfect in that mini is that the lions seem to be "smiling" too much. I would reduce their 'mouths' to like half the size. It's probably too late by now, though, so carry on :D

Since the Elf chops down all enemies before they can strike, his armourer never has to do any repair work. So the bored craftsman instead has added smug grins to the lions of the armour! :D

Very, very nice painting Mr GeOrc. Hope your guy has a really strong codpiece though; since that area would seem to be an enemy archer's first priority (loincloth, no visible armour, no lion fur)!

Khorghan
04-12-2007, 02:27
these are so amazing! you might be the best painter on warseer! the highelf looks flawless, but any chance on an update from the beasts?

The_Dark_Raven
04-12-2007, 07:23
GeOrc how do you paint like that...it's like the best thing ive seen. The style is like what i look for and what i try for. How do you get that colour effect?

Aflo
04-12-2007, 14:51
@ Harry
you have PM ;)



Wow! If there's a tutorial explaining how you achieve the fantasticly smooth blending effect, where do I join the queue?!

Awesome looking stuff. This feller's going to be a real work of art when you're done.

GeOrc
04-12-2007, 15:01
@ Khorghan,
no Beastupdate yet, perhaps after the weekend. Í will visit my girlfriend and there Iīm only able to sculpture and not to paint. So I perhaps will have some small progress on the beastmen.

@ Raven
from which colour you want to know?

@ Aflo
Perhaps soon all your questions will be answered *looks to Harry*

Regards GeOrc

GeOrc
04-12-2007, 20:32
More Progress:

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/WhiteLion24.jpg

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/WhiteLion25.jpg

The hair isnt finished, it will become darker. but you get a first idea in which direktion the miniature goes....

Regards GeOrc

Khorghan
06-12-2007, 04:46
thats looking really nice, i always like purple high elves

GeOrc
06-12-2007, 21:58
Sorry very bad picture...
I would only show that I continued on the NMM and also started work on the lion cloak

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/WhiteLion26.jpg

Regards GeOrc

Kasrkin 666
06-12-2007, 23:30
:eek: just :eek:

-Sunny:eek:

deathskullork
06-12-2007, 23:34
Could you stop it please you are making us mortals not want to paint anymore. LOL.
That is just amazing keep it up.

BattleofLund
07-12-2007, 03:02
Isn't this Korhil? And isn't he supposed to be on the blond side (as per the WD pic)? Ah well, he's an Elf; he's probably not a natural blonde... ;)

Harry
08-12-2007, 18:29
The dark hair is genius.
It frames the face and makes it shine like a jewel.
(With the hair blonde, the lion, the hair, and face, would all 'blend' in to one).

Magnificent.


Wow! If there's a tutorial explaining how you achieve the fantasticly smooth blending effect, where do I join the queue?!


@ Aflo
Perhaps soon all your questions will be answered *looks to Harry*

Together we have a plan so cunning you pin a tail on to it and call it a weasel.
(Or green stuff some spikes onto it and call it a Dark Elf. :D)
As GeOrc says... watch this space. (Or a space very close to this one. :D)

Girathon
08-12-2007, 19:32
Amazing as always GeOrc. Keep it up!

Girathon

p.s. Thanks for repsonding to my thread on Asur. Unfortunatley my internet went down for about a week and I missed it, and almost completed the first archers. I have a spare one floating around that Im going to try your suggestions on though.

Aflo
09-12-2007, 00:17
Together we have a plan so cunning you pin a tail on to it and call it a weasel.
(Or green stuff some spikes onto it and call it a Dark Elf. :D)
As GeOrc says... watch this space. (Or a space very close to this one. :D)

All those rumour hints have gotten you exceptionally good at cryptic clues :p

I have no doubts it will be worth the (hopefully short:D) wait.

Lorcryst
09-12-2007, 10:27
I'm now officially awed.

Your NNM technique is really astounding ... and like Harry, I think that the dark hair is a stroke of genius, there's too many blonde elfes out there, and I've always thought they were rather "bland" ...

Dortmund eh ? That might be in my range, but it will depends on such silly things as Real Life not getting in the way :p

Khorghan
09-12-2007, 16:08
done any work with the beasts lately?

GeOrc
10-12-2007, 08:03
thanks for the feedback, in detail:

@ battleoflund
blond hair woulnīt work here. How said the focus of this mini is the expression, so the eyecatcher mus be the face. Now you must know that there are both methods to get something into the foreground: light colours, warm colours or about contrast. Light colours are an easy way if you wnat use zenital light your head and the face itself will be always the lightest area (depending on the miniature and a bit on overall colour choice (see my slaangor)). Warm colours a much harder because this must be embedded into the overall colour choice. Contrast the same problem with the overall colour choice. I had to go with the contrast here, because the miniature dictates it. There are to much ligth areas in the same colour in this area, the NMM gold of the lion, the lion cloak, the face... there was need of contrast and the hair frames the face so it was clear to use the shape of the miniature to support my goal to make his face a fixpoint. dark hair and light face would be contrast enough and it works also in practice how you see. Nethertheless in the beginning I had prefered a blond elf to present a more typical high elf but it works better this way and fits also good the my image of the hunters of chrace as a wild and rough kind of elf.

@ Harry,
thanks a lot. The theory in detail I have already written above.

To throw more rumors around, the theory you also find in the weasel I sent you ;)

@ Girathon,
I watch out for your progress ;)

@ Aflo
watch out this space ;)

@ lorcryst
I will announce it officially as soon as it will be certain.

@ Khorghan
I sculptured a bit, but only smaller stuff. In the moment I finish the high elf first before returning to the beasts. I have bought very cheep three boxes of beastmen, enough for another large herd, my Slaangor unit, Gargoyles, Centigors of Slaanesh and a lot of Characters... I have a lot of ideas so be patient and watch out ;)

Thanks all

Kind Regards GeOrc

GeOrc
10-12-2007, 21:23
Here the lion cloak, there is need of some correction work, but the contrast is ok in my eyes.

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/WhiteLion27.jpg

Hope you like it

Regards GeOrc

Dark_Mage99
11-12-2007, 11:53
Looks very nice! I love the purple as well, it's a really good looking colour for High Elves, it seems.

Khorghan
12-12-2007, 01:47
That lion pelt is looking nice, do you think you could tell me how you did it?

GeOrc
12-12-2007, 06:52
@ Khorghan
I primed with dessert yellow, then I add al shades, first with graveyard earth then with scorched brown and scorched brown + chaos black + bit hawk turquoise.

For the highlights I used Bleached Bone and Bleached Bone + Skull White.

Remember that all colours are blended into each other so you get that creamy look.

Hope that helps
more question ? feel free to ask!
Regards GeOrc

GeOrc
13-12-2007, 21:33
hi all,
the final of the lion head and my try out for the outer cloak design. There is still need for some correction work, the blendings arnīt ok here. I have lot of trouble because I painted it the first time brown and then blue greyish and now there is so much colour on the surface that itīs too smooth and the additional colour didnīt stick on it....

I hoe I can fix that in the next days.

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/WhiteLion28.jpg

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/WhiteLion29.jpg

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/WhiteLion30.jpg

Regards GeOrc

Khorghan
13-12-2007, 21:47
the black dots on the lions face i think stand out a little too much, dark brown would be better IMO

the cloak looks good

crandall87
13-12-2007, 21:56
That model is just fantastic. You have sculpted to perfection and I can't wait to see it fully painted.

Aflo
14-12-2007, 14:58
Agreed with Khorghan on the muzzle. The cloak looks fantastic - the cloak's colour goes really well with the rest of the mini and the nmm freehand is near faultless. Looking forward to the finished product :)

Khorghan
15-12-2007, 02:41
Agreed with Khorghan on the eyes.

actually i was talking about the wisker dots on the... lips??

Codsticker
15-12-2007, 05:15
actually i was talking about the wisker dots on the... lips??

The word you are looking for is "muzzle".;)

Khorghan
15-12-2007, 05:16
yes! thank you

Aflo
15-12-2007, 08:40
actually i was talking about the wisker dots on the... lips??

Yes! Sorry, brain malfunction, I did indeed intend to type muzzle :rolleyes:

GeOrc
18-12-2007, 10:25
Itīs official,
my next workshop will be on Feb. 8.-10. 2008 in Dortmund (Germany). If here is someone who is interessted to learn painting like shown in this log is right on this workshop . More information? You can contact me via PM.

Regards GeOrc

Ezekiel Celes
18-12-2007, 12:55
Now where's that button... ah here [subscribe]

Looks very VERY impressive! Seeing as I'm about to start on my White Lions soon, can I Hyjack some of your models? :)

Huw_Dawson
18-12-2007, 13:30
I am just going to go grab my jaw off the floor. Be right back. :eek:

- Huw

StormCrow
19-12-2007, 09:17
Uh oh, I'm jealous!

Awesome painting, the details on that cloak are phenominal, and the sculpting work is great too!

FatOlaf
23-12-2007, 15:18
Excellent work fella, what's happening with the beatsmen?

Nineswords
24-12-2007, 06:44
Georc,

Fancy telling us how you did that beautiful cloak?

GeOrc
24-12-2007, 11:13
Sorry for the silence,
I had a lot of trouble with the HW-Prince. In the end I wasnīt pleased with him and decieded to start new. So I stripped the paint ansd primed it new these days. The colour schema wonīt change but now I can paint it without making experiments. Also I will try out first on a normal miniature before do it one the conversion.

For some relaxing I started painting the phenix guard champion, which will be my Workshop miniature for 2008.

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/Workshop23.jpg

Kind regards GeOrc

brambleten
24-12-2007, 12:20
wow i love the fire on the PG champ.

Khorghan
24-12-2007, 16:00
you stripped the paint??!? Those flames look solid. How are the beasts comming along?

Girathon
24-12-2007, 17:37
Ever the perfectionist GeOrc, I still remember recoiling in horror when you stripped Hellebron, but if your not happy with the mini, you gotta start fresh. Flames look sweet on the PG btw.

Cheers,

Girathon

GeOrc
26-12-2007, 23:15
Hi all,
here my latest work.
I combined here two references I really like. On is the alternative colour schema of the phoenix guard in the armybook and the Caradryan from Razza.
Both I combined into one miniature and translate the armybook colour schema into NMM.
Here the result I hope you like it:

and please Vote for me ;)

http://www.coolminiornot.com/177893

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/Workshop30.jpg

Regards GeOrc

the vicar
27-12-2007, 03:10
Amazing. Consider me subscribed.

Khorghan
27-12-2007, 03:22
flawless painting on that one, deserves a rating much higher than 8.2. whats next?

Harry
27-12-2007, 06:53
I had a lot of trouble with the HW-Prince. In the end I wasnīt pleased with him and decieded to start new. So I stripped the paint ....
Wha.... but ... !?:confused:

You stripped something painted to a better standard than most of us will ever achieve.!?!:cries:

Bonkers!;)

GeOrc
04-01-2008, 20:45
@ Harry,
Yes I stripped it, it was a hard decision, but I think I can that a lot better. So I will try again.

Hi all,
here are the latest news from my beastmen army. I finished the female bray shaman. The miniature was sculptured by a friend, Sascha Buczek, also a many times demon winner and slayer sword winner. It was produced as a limited piece by New Wave Mail Order where I bought it. This was his second sculpt and so it misses a lot of technical skills. It misses sharp edges and also smooth surfaces. Nether the less itīs a nice miniature and I put a lot of effort in it to make it the center of my small Slaanesh beastmen horde. To make it a real eyecatcher I painted additional to the green flame a source lighning effect. Alos I add some freehands to decorate the boting loincloth. I hope you like it:

Please vote for me:

http://www.coolminiornot.com/178753

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/Schamanin003.jpg

Regards Georc

kermit
04-01-2008, 21:11
First: I really like your painting style. Very nice, and I am jealous!

Second: Quick question: How do you prime your miniatures? It looks to me that you base black then add a dusting of white over it... is this true? Why do you prime the way you do?

Subscribed!

Khorghan
05-01-2008, 05:56
Perfect miniature, im glad youve done more work on the beasts.

GeOrc
05-01-2008, 10:55
@ kermit,
if you would have read the whoel topic you would have found the answer on page 1 ;)
There I described my method of teh two component priming

Kind Regards GeOrc

GeOrc
28-01-2008, 22:05
sorry about the less Progress but in the moment Iīm terrible busy because the new year starts with a lot of work and projects...

here a small progress on the beasts (sorry bad pic, was made in hurry)

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/Horde015.jpg

Regards GeOrc

Khorghan
28-01-2008, 23:53
the weapon on the ungor is stunning.

Saulot
29-01-2008, 01:24
Mehr! Bitte gibt uns mehr!!! :p

How goes the White Lion Prince? Everything looks amazing!
Can we get the recipe for the purple on the Phoenix Guard's inner cloak?

Subscribed.

Gloryseeker
29-01-2008, 08:29
yea... ok... your ace.

I might try sculpting one day.

Aflo
29-01-2008, 14:37
Fantastic, as ever. Are the ungor's nipples..bleeding?

GeOrc
30-01-2008, 06:57
@ Saulot,
no new progress on the lion prince, after stripping the paint and priming it new it waits for painting. I bought some more White Lions and have now a small 500 points high elf force, The army will be used by my girl friend for batteling my beastmen ^^
But this have to wait, beastmen first.

@ Aflo,
no, I only used a darker colour for making them contrasting.

Regards GeOrc

Saulot
30-01-2008, 08:28
I bought some more White Lions and have now a small 500 points high elf force

Coolness.
Btw, how did you get that purple on the Phoenix Guard's inner cloak? It looks amazing. Mind sharing how you did that? Thanks.

GeOrc
04-02-2008, 18:11
@ Saulot,
I started with liche purple. Shade with a mix regal blue + liche purple and highlight with warlock purple. Add accents with spacewolfs grey. Hope this helps....

Here new sculptured stuff from my workbench... minotaurs, here my first tryout:

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/Mino001.jpg

Regards GeOrc

GeOrc
04-02-2008, 21:49
Update from this evening:

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/Mino002.jpg

Regards GeOrc

mrtn
04-02-2008, 23:24
Oh, that mino is really interesting. :) People have talked about making minos from the new spawn, nice to see someone try it too. It looks like you're off to a great start.

Khorghan
04-02-2008, 23:58
Thats actually a good idea, minotaurs from spawns

kermit
05-02-2008, 14:42
WOW! Just WOW!

Can't wait to see the next update.

Reik
05-02-2008, 16:04
I'm still looking for my jaw on the floor...That mino is looking very nice. Will also sculpt the head from scratch? Can't wait to see it done

Darloc
05-02-2008, 16:17
You have some talent! Really wonderfull stuff, I can't imagine the quality of your army...

GeOrc
05-02-2008, 19:52
Here more progress. I add some hair to the legs. Because I want still sho his muscles I decieded to cover them not completly. Now he looks beasty, I hold the proportions and he looks still very muscular...

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/Mino003.jpg

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/Mino004.jpg

Hope you like it

Cheers GeOrc

Toschenko
05-02-2008, 20:13
I'm seriously tempted to throw away all my minis, seeing what you can achieve with your skills... :)

Terrific work GeOrc, I'm speechless. Really looking forward to see the mino taking shape :D

Toschenko

Khorghan
05-02-2008, 20:43
What did you have in mind for the head?

GeOrc
06-02-2008, 08:50
Thanks for the feedback,

@ Khorghan,
Because there dosnīt exist good heads I have to sculpture my own range of heads, propably with help of some hornsform the Chaosspawn box.

Regards GeOrc

GeOrc
07-03-2008, 06:50
I miss here some conversation and discussion. If no one is willing to talk with me about this log then I can drop it and this miniature will be tha lst I show here:

Painted for my Local GW Store: Vampire Count, Constantin von Fragstein

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/Vampir04.jpg

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/Vampir05.jpg

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/Vampir06.jpg

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/Vampir07.jpg

Hope you like him
Regards GeOrc

75hastings69
07-03-2008, 07:03
That is BEAUTIFUL!!!

I really like this sculpt anyway (apart from the flying thingy that plugs into the back of the armour on his shoulder).

The armour looks really well done, as does the base. Another excellent job GeOrc.

BTW did you have problems attaching the head?

Darloc
07-03-2008, 07:45
*jaw drops*
Wow that's a really nice vampire, I really like what you did on the wing! And the armor is nice, real nice.

Lost Egg
07-03-2008, 08:59
Whoa that is one nice fig! I love the detail on the wing, very unique!

HN

xbevisx
07-03-2008, 11:50
This blog makes me want to spit sprite all over my keyboard (in a good way). But im at work and i could get fired.

KEEP UP THE EXCELLENT WORK!

mrtn
07-03-2008, 12:04
Very nice, I like the wing. Any update on the minotaur?

Satan
07-03-2008, 12:13
This is sick. Stunningly good work on the vampire. Simply wonderful. Could you describe how you did the veins? both the black and green-blueish ones please.

It looks like he's got some sort of spikes behind his head, what are those? Some kind of support for the cape?

I feel a need to own and paint this mini now.

lz7947
07-03-2008, 12:21
Great painting job. That's ......I don't know how to express my feeling.

lz

GeOrc
07-03-2008, 13:42
god to see this blog still living :)
Thatīs a discussion with a lot of good questions:

@ 75hastings69
yes fixing the head is a bit tricky, but there exists a position whre it fits. Always remember that there is a cut between the parts when GW seperate parts from a green, so donīt try to connect it close to the backside.

@ Darloc
I tried to make a mix of NMM and TMM. I use NMM for some coated parts of his armour or which are made from enamel. Alos I used Metalics, first time since 5 years now painting NMM, because GW wants me to do. Technically I mixed using metalics with creating reflections by rules used for NMM. The result is this True metalic metal which has more reflection than a normal NMM has. Good to see that ppl like it.

@ HN
I looked for a reason why he has only one wing and this reason should tell a story. The idea was that he has landed or start flying and the wing materialize on his arm. The proces has already started and thatīs the effect on the wing for. It should like the wing materialze from the dark and has already a dark shadow of his shape.

@ mrtn,
Iīm sorry no, I put it on ice until I have painted my set of vampires for GW

@ Satan,
For the veins I use thinned Regal Blue which I use like an ink, followed by thinned red Gore. The dark lines of the materilaization effect are painted with a mix of CHaos Black and less Regal blue, highlighted with a mix of this black mix and Scorched brown, acented with a mix of the black mix and bleached Bone.

The spikes are part of the miniature

If there are more questions feel free to ask
I will try to answer all.

Regards GeOrc

richy376
07-03-2008, 18:55
That is truly superb. The way that you have carried across your vision for the wing transforming from shadow is perfect. I didn't like the model when I first saw it but you have absolutley changed my opinion. That is a lucky GW store you're painting for.

monstallion
07-03-2008, 19:27
Awesome vampire, the face looks great. Have to say that I really like all of the work in your log, very insperational.

Dark Apostle
07-03-2008, 20:29
Stunning vampire, I'm especially fond of the skin color and the black armour. Metal on the sword is fantastic too!

Crube
07-03-2008, 20:39
Truly awsome work here GeOrc - I am seriously impressed. The skin is beautifully smooth, the wing is great...

The whole thing is wonderful. Thanks for sharing

poorbareforkedanimal
07-03-2008, 22:19
Awesome, I gotta say too. So real!

Grey_Death
07-03-2008, 22:37
Vamp looks very nice. What was the inspiration for the wing?

Starks333
08-03-2008, 00:25
nice colour use and design on the vampire! i like the concept on the wings

love the beastmen as well

i love seeing people put effort into armies, even if its a golden daemon gold effort ;)


Starks

Meticulous
08-03-2008, 01:56
I didn't like that model much before. I've changed my mind! Is the wing really that big? I only ask because I know you rock at sculpting, so it could be extended.

Darloc
08-03-2008, 12:12
GeOrc: I always thought NMM and True metalic won't work together, apperently they can but I guess you must master both before trying something like that. I didn't notice the true metalic until you told me, nice results I have to say.

Lorcryst
08-03-2008, 12:45
OH.
MY.
GOD.

That vampire is a masterpiece ... I'm speechless.

Khorghan
08-03-2008, 17:04
the black armor is great

GeOrc
10-03-2008, 10:36
@ Grey_Death
I had no inspiration here, the idea came until puting the miniature together. Because itīs unsymetric I want to simulate a symetry and the bat and the sword simulate an area as opposite to the other wing. If you take a close look on picture 1 you see that there ia a corona around the vampire built by the effect on the wing, the wings of the bat and the sword. This was only possible painting the edges of the wing dark and the center light, so I get the idea to make a flow from light to dark by this materialization effect. Sounds weired I know.

@ Meticulous
Yes the wing is really big so the effect breaks this large area and make it look more filigree.

Good to see that you like the vampire. More will come... in the moment I work on Vlad and also I have the female Vampire on my workbench as well as a conversion for Isabelle von Carstein.

Kind Regards GeOrc

ZAlpha
10-03-2008, 11:34
Generally I don't fall for NMM ... [As I can't do that, partly -- other is that I thought NMM can be viewed from only one perspective / side]

But you Vamp are really stunning! (Except that flying thing on his back -- that's erm... GW fault!)

The black lining on the wing looks somewhat strange, but imagine you hadn't done that, the model would look a bit pale... (Just like you've mentioned)

Can I just ask something about your technique -- How to paint that blood-stain on the sword. It looks "real". (I normally use blood red only, and it looks too red)

Couldn't hardly wait for Vlad to show himself...

Regards, ZAlpha

Khorghan
10-03-2008, 23:01
how are the minotaurs comming? are they finished? Im looking forward to the Isabella conversion.

GeOrc
11-03-2008, 11:07
@ ZAlpha,
Vlad becomes a very dark look. I think I have him finished in the next days and will post pics.

Because of the blood effect:

Start with the light colours and add the dark colours because blood becomes lighter when the layer is thinner. So the light areas are th most big ones and the far colours are smaller.

Start with Blood Red + Red Gore Mix

Shade with Red Gore

Shade with Red Gore + Dark Flesh

Shade with a mix of the last one + Chaos Black + a little bit hawk turquoise

all mixes should contain a bit Red Ink!

finsih with some thinned layers of gloss vanish.

Use a lining technik to add the effect this is needed that it looks later like splatter. Try to image how a liquid would act on the blade and how the blood gets on the blade so that you have the right direction and with that a realisitc look.

Hope this helps...

@ Khorghan,
nothing new from the minos, they have to wait.
Vampires first and then the rest of the horde.

Regards GeOrc

ZAlpha
11-03-2008, 11:13
@GeOrc

This really helps, will try on my own soon... (Never though Hawk Turquoise would be in too!)

Ps. I'm planning to buy Vlad and this Winged Vamp as soon as they hit our store here too... Can't wait for that, esp. when I saw the painted version from you...

Regards, ZAlpha

GeOrc
11-03-2008, 12:49
Itīs only a little to break the black. Never use pure black of white these colours arnīt very natural. Always mix a cold colour in the shadows here hawk turquoise and a warm colour in the lights

Why?

cold colours stand in the background and warm colours get in the front. with that mixed in shadows and highlights you support your contrast and get a miximum deepth in your miniature.

Regards GeOrc

Braad
11-03-2008, 13:06
Wow... really nice. Also checked the rest of your blog, and must say it is looking good.
I'm really interested in seeing how the beastmen warband will end up. Hopefully you'll find some time to complete it.

ZAlpha
11-03-2008, 13:43
Itīs only a little to break the black. Never use pure black of white these colours arnīt very natural. Always mix a cold colour in the shadows here hawk turquoise and a warm colour in the lights

Why?

cold colours stand in the background and warm colours get in the front. with that mixed in shadows and highlights you support your contrast and get a miximum deepth in your miniature.

Regards GeOrc

Oh...now I understands clearly! Thanks GeOrc.:angel:

Regards, ZAlpha

GeOrc
13-03-2008, 20:08
Here a sneak Pic of Vlad

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/vlad01.jpg

Hope you like it

Regards GeOrc

Count Sinister
13-03-2008, 20:12
I have to say, GeOrc, I always thought that I hated that Vlad model, but that is a brilliant paint-job. How did you do the armour? It's stunning!

Khorghan
14-03-2008, 00:59
Thats the best cloak for vlad ive seen so far

SirJD
14-03-2008, 01:43
You certainly have some painting skills dont you! Your paintjobs are quite amazing, love the vampire wings, a fantastic idea, and vlad is looking fantastic.

looking forward to seeing what you come up with next,
SirJD

StormCrow
14-03-2008, 06:05
Here a sneak Pic of Vlad



sneak peek?!

Man i wish i could show off a finished model that looked half as good as that sneak peek.

GeOrc
14-03-2008, 11:04
@ Count sinister,
The Armour is a mix of NMM and TMM. The idea was to make Vlad a really dark guy like shwon in the artworks of the armybook. So I didnīt use as much gold as GW did and painted most of the armour in black NMM so that it looks like itīs coated black or black enamel.

@ Sir JD
Next Mini will be the female Vampire, this will be the third and last I have to paint for my local GW Hobbystores.

@ Storm Crow,
Thx ;)

Regards GeOrc

Harry
14-03-2008, 13:10
Magnificent. Beautiful interpretation of the cloak. Best I have seen You have really brought it to life.

Base needs work. :D

ZAlpha
14-03-2008, 14:28
Well, looks like i'm confused between some von Carsteins...

I thought Vlad would be the one with two swords... <Now what his name again ?>

Anyway, I must really tell you, GeOrc, your paitjob on the Vlad makes one simple vamp. (for me) turns into a stunning miniature.

Really love the paintjob on the armor, the cloak, well on the whole mini...
The black armor makes both the skin tone and the cloak stand out very well...

Wish i could have at least half of your skill someday in this life!

Regards,
ZAlpha

GeOrc
14-03-2008, 14:34
@ Harry
Many thanks
ohh and I have already out him off his cork and on a base which will be painted this evening :D

@ ZAlpha
Many thanks :D
I see you live in Thailand, maybe near the coast ^^ Then I trade painting lessons against hollidays ^^

Regards GeOrc

ZAlpha
14-03-2008, 16:24
@ ZAlpha
Many thanks :D
I see you live in Thailand, maybe near the coast ^^ Then I trade painting lessons against hollidays ^^

Regards GeOrc

Well, I live not so near the coast. I heard there's a painting group or so in Phu-Khet, did you mean you work there?

Sorry, just can't recall the name of that group or company or whatever...

And I thought you live in Germany! Or do I have some misunderstanding here?

Anyway, it'd be great to see you paint the new Konrad (now I recall his name!) von Carstein. Do you plan on painting him in the near future?

Regards,
ZAlpha

Coolhand
14-03-2008, 20:01
Lovely stuff, looking forward to seeing some more!!

GeOrc
16-03-2008, 12:25
Her my finished Vlad von Carstein:
Again this mini is for presentation in my local GW store.

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/Vlad02.jpg

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/Vlad03.jpg

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/Vlad04.jpg

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/Vlad05.jpg

Hope you like the final result

Regards GeOrc

75hastings69
16-03-2008, 12:30
Looks superb as usual GeOrc, the cloak especially is exceptionally effective. Look forward to seeing the femal VC next. Good work as usual.

The ONLY thing I would have done would been to remove the bottom jaw from the skulls on the base, but that is just being picky on what is a very high standard mini.

BTW GeOrc I love the fact that you even made the skulls look more realistic by adding the crack lines to them, and the colouring of the skulls is spot on!! (what colours did you use on the skulls?)

GeOrc
16-03-2008, 12:39
@ Hastings

many thanks,
because of the skulls I primed them Bleached Bone, shade with graveyard earth and make accents with a mix of gloss vanish and skull white.
the gloss vanish add a shiny effect which is need to make them more realistic.

Regards GeOrc

75hastings69
16-03-2008, 12:42
Thanks GeOrc if I can pull off that kind of bone effect for my 200+ skellies I'll be chuffed to bits! Thanks for sharing your technique.

Zerep
16-03-2008, 13:35
Hi georc, congratulations for your awesome work.

Could you tell me the skin recipe pleaseŋ?

Codsticker
16-03-2008, 15:24
Your painting is top notch...but...why-oh-why does GW have to litter everything with skulls??? :cries:

mnyama
16-03-2008, 17:30
wow!!! wow!!!

monstallion
16-03-2008, 18:54
Awesome looking Vlad. Look forward to seeing the female vamp, didn't like till I saw what one of my mates did, painted her blonde and really pale looked great.

GeOrc
17-03-2008, 08:35
@ Zerep
I use Bleached Bone as basis. Then shading with different mixes of BB and Nauseating BLue (old colour). For the deepest shadows add a littel Chaos Black to the darkes mix. Highlights with a light mix of BB and Skull White.

Hope this helps

Regards GeOrc

ZAlpha
17-03-2008, 12:19
I'd normally uses Rotting Flesh and Purple Ink for dead's face, then hilight with mix of Rotting Flesh + Bleached Bone. But looking at your style, I guess Nauseating Blue is awesome too... [Never uses it on any of my work. Still fresh and new.]

Nice work, GeOrc. [Love the base too! -- Are those skulls from any plastic GW boxes?]

Crube
17-03-2008, 18:44
Still jaw dropping stuff. and the way you do the skulls will certainy be stolen by me...:)

Thanks again for sharing

(and GeOrc - how about trading painting lessons for a holiday in North Scotland ;))

fluffystuff
18-03-2008, 11:17
Love the shading on Vlads sword, and the skulls looks really lifelike. Awsome painting.

Daniel36
18-03-2008, 11:57
The metal on the swords just scares me! It's thát nice! I also love how the spirits fly out of the cape, especially in the red area of the cape! Very nicely done! Your batwing is just plain crazy! I could never get myself to do such a thing...

While I am really interested in hearing how you do ALL of this, I am not going to bother you with that. What I would love to know most is how you paint the metal on the swords... It's just too brilliant!! It's just not fair! :D

GeOrc
18-03-2008, 13:29
@ Zalpha,
the skulls are frm the zombi wagon

@ Crube,
many thanks, I will remember you your offer when visiting scotland :)

@ Daniel,
Iīm working on a tutorial für the TM of the sword, please be patient :)

@ all,
I put the vampires on CMON and would be very happy about your votes and feedback there, many thanks

http://www.coolminiornot.com/185235

http://www.coolminiornot.com/185236

Cheers GeOrc

ZAlpha
18-03-2008, 16:50
Hi, GeOrc

Zombie Wagon = Leichenkarren = Corpse Cart ? Am I right ?

Couldn't wait to see your upcoming work no more, it's too fantastic! And that tutorial, too. I bet it'd be very useful.

Anyway, I went to CMON and vote for you already. :)

ZAlpha

GeOrc
19-03-2008, 10:43
Yes thatīs rights, sorry I didnīt know the english name of the cart...
How said next will be the female vampire.
Regards GeOrc

GeOrc
20-03-2008, 08:21
Here a sneak pic of my female vampire:

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/Vampirella.jpg

Hope you like the first impression

Kind Regards GeOrc

Lost Egg
20-03-2008, 10:22
Whoa man looking good.

I don't know if its me but looking at your vamps I seem to find detail and a new found appreciation of the sculpts than the GW painted versions.

HN

burtnernie
20-03-2008, 11:59
Your painting is very nice, you apply detail where as before there is none, I have alot of time for people that add detail to bring the model "to life" or in this case death..

A question though, do you use white spray as your undercoat? as it doesn't look like it?

Crube
20-03-2008, 13:57
The highlighting on the Black looks great. Any chance of a walkthrough?`

GeOrc
21-03-2008, 00:13
I give some painting lessons today in my local GW hobby store. The theme was freehands and painting a standard bearer. I had 3 hours and beside a lot of talking I show how to paint something like this (The banner is painted white, itīs no primer anymore):

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/Barbaren01.jpg

Just to show that freehands arnīt impossible and a nice banner can be painted quickly with a good result. So this guy will now return to a box waiting until itīs time of chaos.

Regards GeOrc

ZAlpha
21-03-2008, 11:29
Toll!

Oh GeOrc, I wish I were in Germany and could visit that GW store every day you give a lessons.

I'm not any good with freehand things, all I could do was just some "I" and "II" and so on marines' armour...

IMHO, you painting techniques are awesome! How long have you been painting already?

Ps. The face of the girl vamps looks very life-like, (although she's already dead.)
Pss. If you begin writing a walkthrough article(s) about any of your techniques, I'd be glad to be among your fans.

Regards,
ZAlpha

Crube
21-03-2008, 15:06
Any chance of a freehand lesson on here....

*is jealous*

Kasrkin 666
21-03-2008, 18:28
What do you use to prime? It looks magnificent!

-Sunny

GeOrc
22-03-2008, 00:51
@ Hairy Norseman
The miniatures have more details than you can see on the ones GW painted, this is because they donīt choose contrasting and colour choice to get a large detail deepness.

@ burtnernie
itīs a mix of black and white primer. I explained this technic in the beginning of this log. Take a look on the first pages...

@ Crube
Sorry no time to make a pic after every painting step but I can post more often WIP pictures if ppl here want them. Iīm a better teacher than I stand behind you and correcting your errors while seeing you paint. The I-net canīt do this. Perhaps there will be a Workshop in UK some day.

@ ZAlpha
I paint since 10 years now.
I can write some tutorials or translate my german ones as soon as I have more time. In the moment Iīm very limited and so i paint in my free time.

For all who like freehands, here some new WIPs

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/Vampirella05.jpg

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/Vampirella06.jpg

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/Vampirella07.jpg

The miniature has three skirts. The first I painted red. The on directly above I want to look transparant like net lace with lace in a shape of small flowers. This skirt layer is a bit shiny to get the right effect and thats why the flowers have reflection points unter their edges. The third skirt is situated on her back. I decieded to paint this one black and put a lot of roses on them. I hope you can realize that.
The corsage is also painted to look transparent also I painted stockings on her legs to add more erotic.

oh and remember the real size of the miniature because the pics are very large

Hope you like it
Regards GeOrc

Kasrkin 666
22-03-2008, 02:12
:eek:

Amazing! But why do you have all the pics the same?

-Sunny

GeOrc
22-03-2008, 07:10
Sorry, past and copy error

Regards GeOrc

ZAlpha
22-03-2008, 11:31
Thanks for the reply GeOrc,


The corsage is also painted to look transparent also I painted stockings on her legs to add more erotic.

Hmm, that's definitely worth the works. It looks... well... brilliant!

I'm on my 9th year now, but still sooo far from you. Maybe I'll catch you in, well...say, next 50 years ?

If you already have the German one then it's awesome. At least I could read German. [Erm... well, not that good, but somehow possible]


Still keeping my eyes wide open on your log as always,
ZAlpha

Lorcryst
22-03-2008, 13:28
GW and the 'Eavy Metal team should take some lessons from this blog ... your Vampires are soooooo much better than theirs, it's almost like a new model ...

tcraigen
22-03-2008, 14:25
wow I love the look of bone on your figures. Id love to know how you do that. Is it just a sequence of washes?

Ezekiel Celes
22-03-2008, 18:22
Yeah! I love your skulls and bones not being white! this is some really good stuff man! Any tutorials in Holland per chance?
Really love your freehands as well. but where I normally love your big contrasts, I wouldn't apply them too much on the net (2nd skirt) to make it appear more like a hazy net, and thus more obvious.. - but yeah, that would be my take on it...

Foulacy
22-03-2008, 19:28
Some of the minis in here are inspiring.

Nyarlathotep
22-03-2008, 21:49
Christ! I never checked this thread out before. Incredible painting, probably the best I have seen in a long time. I paint using the same technique as you, but not that well!
Good work!

Khorghan
22-03-2008, 23:41
Could you give a run-through on how you did the bone and how you did the black armour? Theyre both done perfectly!

Saulot
23-03-2008, 16:18
oh and remember the real size of the miniature because the pics are very large

The details are just amazing! You really are an inspiration!

And yeah, more WIP shots would be a blessing! :p

Arduhn
23-03-2008, 16:59
Your painting style is very nice. I will be in Germany this summer, from may to july, mostly in Kassel, but I have some friends in Dortmund that I will visit at some point, so perhaps I will try to swing by GW while I am there. Perhaps I will see you there.

Obwohl ich Auslander bin, ist mein Deutsch ziemlich gut.

GeOrc
26-03-2008, 22:27
hi all,
here some more pics (Iīm in hurry and will answer feedback tomarrow)

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/Vampirella08.jpg

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/Vampirella09.jpg

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/Vampirella10.jpg

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/Vampirella11.jpg

Regards GeOrc

warflag
26-03-2008, 23:13
What a beauty!
Awesome paintworks, makes me want some undead. Is this the new Carstein Lady? Sorry, Iīm not very up to date with GW stuff, as quit buying WD.
Must see rest of thread.

*clicks first page*

Meine Fresse, ich vertick mein Zeug...

Holy Jesus!

Braad
27-03-2008, 06:57
Simply awesome...

You want feedback? The edge of the base is not really nice yet.

Toschenko
27-03-2008, 07:29
:eek:

This is turning ut to be one of your best pieces if you want (or care of :p) my opinion... the sheer amount of details you put in that mini is purely awesome.

IF I can make a critic though, I don't like the red nails: they're poorly sculpted (too big for her left hand, the one holding the skull) and the red enhances this poor detail... I understand that they tie visually with other red parts (roses over her head, the vest) but having them painted in a more neutral colour would make them "pop" less.

Just a thought,

Toschenko

Khorghan
27-03-2008, 17:10
A solution for the red might be to have the black at the base and slowly turn into red, this way you still get the red to tie visually with the rest.

GeOrc
29-03-2008, 10:10
Here the finished female Vampire. In the end this lady took me two weeks and a lot of grey hair. I add a alot of detail to an already very detailed miniature. I think it fits very well and support her aristocratic look and add some kind of erotic she needs.

Hope you like her,
for all who want give her a vote, here my CMON link:

http://www.coolminiornot.com/186211

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/Vampirella12.jpg

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/Vampirella13.jpg

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/Vampirella14.jpg

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/Vampirella15.jpg

The detail Pics as Link:

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/Vampirella16.jpg

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/Vampirella17.jpg

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/Vampirella18.jpg

Regards GeOrc

meneptah
29-03-2008, 12:29
all i can say is wow!:eek:
ive been watching your thread since you started it and i cant believe how you can make seemingly dull mini burst with life and colour.
you sir are a true artist and i bow to your skill

Harry
29-03-2008, 12:34
Really didn't like this mini very much when I first set eyes on it.
Amazing what an incredible paint job can do. :D

Love the treatment of the fabrics. The lace, the sheer stocking, the corset, the detail in the dress. All remarkable.

Love the rose growing out of the base.

If I had to be really picky ... (and I do :D) I would say your green could be a deeper, darker colour, it seems a bit bright for rose stems. But even then I can see why you have done it this way to add the contrast and 'lift' the model.

Another wonderful mini in the GeOrc collection.

Lorcryst
30-03-2008, 15:04
Oh my ... words fail me.

This is a masterful work of beauty ... and that "bat tattoo" on her back is priceless :D

Anardakil
30-03-2008, 17:51
Absolutely wonderful! I so love that paintjob! :D

Mazdug
31-03-2008, 21:41
I too must join the ranks fo those heaping praise on you. To take a mini that is otherwise so-so and make it look so amazing is truly impressive. I am most impressed by the detail on the fabrics, those prints are amazing.

75hastings69
01-04-2008, 20:42
How did you do the rose on the base?

grhino
01-04-2008, 23:06
Maginificent model, that's all I can say. Very well painted

Mr.chair
02-04-2008, 03:01
Wow, this is some fantastic looking stuff you've painted! What's the status on your minotaur? I was thinking of converting some minotaurs from rat ogres but my green stuff skills aren't up to the task unfortuantely :(

Dark Apostle
02-04-2008, 06:26
This plog is pure inspiration. The level of detail on the female vampire is stunning, love the freehand roses on the back of her dress - very subtle, but very striking at the same time.

rev
02-04-2008, 21:00
I love the black armour plating - looks really good
!

rev

Arduhn
03-04-2008, 04:39
Oh man, I was thinking that the roses on the back were sculpted onto the model, then someone said they were freehand, so I looked at my unpainted one...Wow, just, wow!

monstallion
03-04-2008, 21:11
Nice,

Really good paint job on this one, have to say your vampires keep getting more and more impressive, keep up the inspiring work.

Kev

burtnernie
04-04-2008, 08:15
Your painting is really cool mate and the detail is immense, I will say though that I'm not sure that green works on the blade tbh mate.... it just doesn't seem to fit... but that is not to say I know better, just that draws me to it for the wrong reason I think...

But hey, the bat on the back and the detail on the cloak is cool... am watching this thread with interest as the models are great

GeOrc
04-04-2008, 09:16
hi all,
thx for all the feedback:

@ Toschenko
yes the red nails,I get much critic for them, but I need here the contrast to the other things like hand, hair and skull, so red was the best choice.


@ Harry,
many thx,
some notes to the green
I used it because it makes a strong komplmentary contrast to the magenta / red tones of her dress. also Because this colour which based on Scaly Green I will use on the armour of my skellet warriors as weathering effect. So the colours repeat and I get a good overall look through the army

@ hastings,
the rose is a bit I sculptured and casted in the past and was part of this miniature:

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/HTML-Dateien/Bilderseiten/Einheiten%20Ed6/ZauberinIII.htm

for the brushwood I used some lichen I found during my time in german army as mountain infantry in the mountains (in the alps)

@ Mr. Chair
nothing new from the minotaur. Soon I will return to the beastmen but I have to paint my infantry unit first.

@ Ardhun,
yes these are freehands
there is no conversion work on this miniature!

Regards GeOrc

Arduhn
04-04-2008, 18:20
I envy your skill. I am a competant painter, and I can paint the detail on the miniature, but I can't do anything freehand to save my life. That's why I love metal character minis with a lot of detail on them, and it's also why I fear standard bearers and other minis with a lot of open space to fill.

GeOrc
07-04-2008, 07:00
hi all,
for all who speak german this would be perhaps interessting
here a link to first issue of the Ezine of the German painting Team:

http://www.das-bemalforum.de/viewtopic.php?p=39401#39401

note, you have to be registered to download the file.

and for all others there are a lot of nice miniature pics in for those who donīt speak german but there exists a lot of web tools for translating a site if you are interessted in an article or two.

We also have a english board in our forum for foreign guests:
http://www.das-bemalforum.de/viewforum.php?f=46

Enjoy
Kind Regards GeOrc

GeOrc
07-04-2008, 19:05
EDIT: the pdf can now downloaded without registration ;)

Regards GeOrc

Arduhn
08-04-2008, 14:04
Wow, there is some amazing stuff on there!

Harry
08-04-2008, 14:34
There really is. Remarkable painting from the whole team. (Except for the stuff by that chap named Geog. His stuff sucks. :D)

Colonel Haizelhoff
08-04-2008, 16:21
I like the work you are doing it's really well painted. Hope you keep up the work.

jimmyk@mac.com
08-04-2008, 21:09
Please post more on that high elf, i really would like to see more of him.

GeOrc
15-04-2008, 19:17
Here a sign from my workbench,

this is a beastmen I need as concept for my new workshop "concept and conversion". I used this mini for my power point presentation for my students.
The mini on the left is the origin, a beastmen sculptured by werner klocke from freebooter miniatures:

http://www.dunkelelfen-georc.de/Bilder/Public/workshop32.jpg

Hope you like it and the return to my beastmen

Regards GeOrc

zealot!
15-04-2008, 20:20
lookin good