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alexh
13-11-2007, 15:36
Does anyone know where I can get a Masters' brush set from?

Agrip. Varenus Denter
13-11-2007, 16:09
The Citadel one?

The Games Workshop Online Store (http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=99199999022&orignav=9) seems to have it in... otherwise they pop up on eBay from time to time.

Some guy (UK)
13-11-2007, 16:32
It certainly doesn't look like a 75 item. Surely just getting a few W&N series 7 and a bar of brush soap from an art shop for example would be far superior and cheaper?

Or can someone who has used it actually recommend it?

SV_Harlequin
13-11-2007, 16:38
GW extra/hobby supplies are either terrible quality or something like 4 times overpriced. For tools and brushes etc you really should be buying from a proper shop.

alexh
13-11-2007, 17:48
Or can someone who has used it actually recommend it?

The Manager at GW Middlesbrough has had his since they came out and the brushes are still like new (he does use them every day).

The Judge
13-11-2007, 19:35
I was speaking to a friend of mine who's won a good few Golden Daemons and paints for Forgeworld, and he said that the brushes in that set are very good quality, worth probably 12 each. You get 5 brushes in there, plus a load of other swanky stuff, so I guess it works out.

I'm getting one for Christmas anyway.

Crube
13-11-2007, 20:05
I was under the impression from when it came out it was going to be a limited release. I take it that the fact GW stil has them, that it wasn't...

Mad Doc Grotsnik
13-11-2007, 20:06
GW extra/hobby supplies are either terrible quality or something like 4 times overpriced. For tools and brushes etc you really should be buying from a proper shop.

You've clearly never been into an Arts and Crafts shop!

Friend of mine works in our local one, and they send people to GW when they want fine brushes. Sable is top quality. And generally speaking, if they aren't lasting, it's the painters fault, not the supplier.

swordwind
13-11-2007, 20:09
For the love of God, dont! Everything in the kit can be had from elsewhere for less. This time you really are paying for a spraypainted eagle on the side and a brass tin can.

Crube
13-11-2007, 20:09
I must admit, that teh GW brushes I have had have been decent, even their standard ones. In contract, i've seen some truly awful W&N brushes in a local art store...

selfconstrukt
13-11-2007, 22:17
I was under the impression from when it came out it was going to be a limited release. I take it that the fact GW stil has them, that it wasn't...

They were a limited release, initially. GW overestimated the demand and made too many of them, but they did not sell very well so they have a surplus of stock leftover.

Before I left GW in Memphis, we had thrown out almost 11 pallets of product, one of which had several hundred of those brush sets.

And they all went into the trash!


You've clearly never been into an Arts and Crafts shop!

Friend of mine works in our local one, and they send people to GW when they want fine brushes. Sable is top quality. And generally speaking, if they aren't lasting, it's the painters fault, not the supplier.

It all depends on which companies brushes you buy. Granted the new GW brushes are much better now than they used to be, but you can still get the same or better quality at an art store, at half the cost of GW brushes.

Crube
13-11-2007, 22:26
And it depends on where you go for other brushes.

I have yet to find comparibale wuality of brush for the same price in the midlands or Grampian (UK)

Exterminatus
13-11-2007, 22:55
I think that is exactly the reason why they are 'overpriced'. It is a simple marketing trick. People tend to be lazy and I for one don't want to visit multiple stores to save a few pounds/dollars/euros.

Its basically the same as visiting a decent priced restaurant where the food is good. Are you going to buy expensive drinks at the restaurant or are you going to wait until you finished your food and go to the supermarkt to buy some drinks?

derv
13-11-2007, 22:57
I highly recommend the Windsor & Newton Series 7 brushes. I've used many brushes in my days and have found none to be close to the quality of these. They last for absolutely ages and keep a very fine point until the end of their life.

They also have a miniature range with shorter hair out the ferrule - excellent for doing very small detailed work such as eyes/gems etc.

Ken Bromley Art Supplies offer them at 30% discount (between 5-7 for the usual sizes 000-2 which is very reasonable given the quality). www.artsupplies.co.uk

Brandir
13-11-2007, 23:07
I have to pipe up and say that the brushes from the Master set are the best I have ever used. They are absolutely superb and have lasted ages.

However, the soon to be released Privateer Press brushes will be worth a look, especially the 'studio' line that was essentially developed by Mike McVey before he left PP. I suspect that these brushes, designed by the best miniature painters in the world (Mike & Ali Mcvey!!) will surpass even the GW master brushes.

SV_Harlequin
14-11-2007, 01:06
You've clearly never been into an Arts and Crafts shop!

Friend of mine works in our local one, and they send people to GW when they want fine brushes. Sable is top quality. And generally speaking, if they aren't lasting, it's the painters fault, not the supplier.

No of course not never set foot in one in my life..... Why are art supplies expensive?

Send people to GW for better brushes, can't be a very good art store then, but what would i know I haven't been in one.

Only there is is this one little store its only been there since 1855 called L Cornelissen & Son that i buy stuff from.


Any tool, brush, glue etc, hobby, basing product like flock etc you can buy other places cheaper than GW sell them for and usually at better quality.

Agrip. Varenus Denter
14-11-2007, 05:39
I don't think that the Citadel brushes are really that bad as far as quality goes, but when you look at price compared to quality - that's where I have an issue.

I use and recommend Kolinsky Sable Miniature Painting Series Brushes...aka the "Kappel Series" from Leonhardy, which were developed by one of the world's finest mini painters, Rune Kappel.

yabbadabba
14-11-2007, 07:33
And thus the usual round of GW bashing occurs ... ...:rolleyes:

The vast majority of GW hobby supplies are fine for the purpose that they are intended for. Yes you will pay extra, but that is not unusual considering these aren't GW made products, but bought off a supplier.

The main bonus about buying GW stuff is that you can buy it all from one place. If you are in a store or on the phone, you should also be buying from someone who can theoretically teach you how to use them.

From my own pov, if you want good general quality some W+N brushes have the edge over some GW brushes. I use a combination of both. The Masters brushes are excellent and are ideal for high quality work. Although I don't own them I have used them, I don't consider my painting good enough for that kind of investment!

I would recommned trying any of the brands recommended above, but keep you mind open when experimenting. Good Luck!

Some guy (UK)
14-11-2007, 10:13
I must admit, that teh GW brushes I have had have been decent, even their standard ones.

I agree on the older, red coloured brushes. I've got the starter box set one from 4 years ago when I began, and I still use it for transfering paint from pots to the palette, and non of the red has flaked off yet, even when I used to leave it in water for days at a time.

Can't say I've heard much about the new blue ones though.

Nyarlathotep
14-11-2007, 11:30
Ive got them, and have been using them every day for over a year now. They are the best brushes I have used during my 15 years in the hobby. You really can notice the difference. The 'Evy metal team use them as well.

Rick_1138
14-11-2007, 13:10
i bought the set because i liked the look of the box, and the brushes are very high quality, over the standard ones, it is noticable if you use them back to back.

However i have heard good things about Rune Kaple's stuff.

Google Rune Kapple. he is a mini painter who has produced a painting cd that is very good too.

Brushe set of 5 from 1 - 0000 i think, 25 euros i think or pounds, either way very good value.

ChaosMaster
14-11-2007, 16:12
GW extra/hobby supplies are either terrible quality or something like 4 times overpriced. For tools and brushes etc you really should be buying from a proper shop.

This is true in some cases, like the marked up Woodland Scenics products, brushes and a few other things. GW hobby tools and supplies are often marked up over buying the same items in their original packaging or similar items at other stores. However, I did some comparison pricing on the new hobby tools GW has coming out this month and they are quite reasonably priced compared to similar tools by other hobby tool vendors. It was a pleasant surprise, especially given the nice quality of many of the new tools from GW.

For example, the new Flush Plastic Cutters from GW sell for $15 US while similar cutters from Testors often sell for $16.98 and the handles are not as nice as the new ones from GW. An X-acto Pin Vice set with bits sells for about $12 US, while the GW sells for $15 and has a nicer, thicker, rubber coated grip. A GW file set of 3 files sells for $12 while a set of 6 files with a detachable wooden handle from X-acto sells for about $22. The hobby bench vice from GW is $15 and a similar by another company is similarly priced.

So, GW has become a lot more competitive in the pricing of their hobby tools, especially given the elevated quality of their new items over the older versions. Enjoy!

SV_Harlequin
14-11-2007, 21:52
This is true in some cases, like the marked up Woodland Scenics products, brushes and a few other things. GW hobby tools and supplies are often marked up over buying the same items in their original packaging or similar items at other stores. However, I did some comparison pricing on the new hobby tools GW has coming out this month and they are quite reasonably priced compared to similar tools by other hobby tool vendors. It was a pleasant surprise, especially given the nice quality of many of the new tools from GW.

For example, the new Flush Plastic Cutters from GW sell for $15 US while similar cutters from Testors often sell for $16.98 and the handles are not as nice as the new ones from GW. An X-acto Pin Vice set with bits sells for about $12 US, while the GW sells for $15 and has a nicer, thicker, rubber coated grip. A GW file set of 3 files sells for $12 while a set of 6 files with a detachable wooden handle from X-acto sells for about $22. The hobby bench vice from GW is $15 and a similar by another company is similarly priced.

So, GW has become a lot more competitive in the pricing of their hobby tools, especially given the elevated quality of their new items over the older versions. Enjoy!
See I can't compare it with US Prices as in Pounds wiht conversion everything you jsut mentioned it half that in Pounds then. But this http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=99239999045&orignav=300810 tool set is over priced you can get the same about of stuff for around 40 other places. Even less if you don't bother with the case, and less than that if you get most and even better/larger clamp in places like B&Q.

ChaosMaster
15-11-2007, 03:58
See I can't compare it with US Prices as in Pounds wiht conversion everything you jsut mentioned it half that in Pounds then. But this http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=99239999045&orignav=300810 tool set is over priced you can get the same about of stuff for around 40 other places. Even less if you don't bother with the case, and less than that if you get most and even better/larger clamp in places like B&Q.
Yeah, the set as a whole is painfully overpriced, apparently because of the carrying case, because the tools individually are quite reasonable for the most part from my comparison shopping this week. If you think the price of the whole set is bad in the UK for 60 pounds, it's an unbelievable $120 in the US. Ouch!

Rick_1138
15-11-2007, 08:54
The GW tool set isn't overpriced if you think about it. Yes you can get the same tools for about 1/3 cheaper at B&Q or home depot (for our american chums). but the stuff will be cheap crap, usually Chinese built rubbish that will snap at the first sign of tension.

I have seen the new tool sets and must say i am impressed, okay the bits tubs are a bit pointless, but a handy touch as i have many different woodland scenic materials that are all in plastic bags!

The GW tools of yore are good quality (appart from 1 set of clippers which broke whan a mate tried to cut a paperclip with them!!!!!, they are not designed for hard metal, i have medical snips for that, they cut through everything!

The new tools do look a lot more proffesional, the tacky yellow is gone and the blade handle is one of the best i have ever used, great for controlling, especially for conversion work.

The small vice is a nice touch, especially for scultping work for holding models whilst they dry etc.

the files havng small rubber handles to them is good, nwo my hands don't smell of metal for ages after use.

For a set of these tools from B&Q you could get the snips and the knife, but the knife wis a poor alloy handle. The razor saw and pin vice you could really only get from a specialist hobby shop, as less and less big retail hardware stores stock this kind of thing, its all stack it high sell cheap everyday stuff, like hammers and saws.

The mini files, i have yet to find in a shop (living in aberdeen, all of the little hobby shops are gone now, there is one left locally that is good, but there used to be lots.)

I think the set is good value, iots a nice thing with nice quality tools, you would be about 45-50 to get all the bits seperatly, and a cheap box would spoil it.

I for one will be getting mine next weekend!

Ravenous
16-11-2007, 06:27
GW brushes are only good for dry brushing and applying glue.

Lion Rampart started getting in some very fine brushes and they kick the ass out of GWs any day of the week in all aspects (cheaper, finer, last longer).

The master set goes for $180 here, and frankly GW doesnt have a good track record when it comes to high quality product that is worth the money. So until they start handing out free samples they can keep it.

alexh
16-11-2007, 09:09
I've managed to get one now so there is no need to discuss further.

Templar Ben
16-11-2007, 10:51
You can lock your own thread.