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Pillx
13-09-2005, 06:22
Been sitting on my bottom not doing much so I decided to keep myself busy somehow. Likely going to be an untitled piece in the end...



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v36/IronChicken/Sista02_WIP01.jpg



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malika
13-09-2005, 07:53
Oh I like this a lot very cool looking, are you going to colour it?

BTW check your PM ;)

StugMeister
13-09-2005, 08:02
Yeah nice work there Pillx! Nice pose, I also like the way the hair is coming along. Nice background work too.

malika
13-09-2005, 08:21
Its cool to see a non war situation as artwork for a change :)

Pillx
13-09-2005, 08:22
Hey thanks ^__^
Ya. I'm coloring it up.
Here's an update before I sleep :p


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v36/IronChicken/Sista02a_eyefix.jpg


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StugMeister
13-09-2005, 09:40
Nice work on the face too Pillx!

CELS
13-09-2005, 09:55
Very nice indeed. Unfortunately, I have no constructive criticism, since it's just that good :)

Luke
13-09-2005, 10:36
very nice. man, shes hot! how are you colouring it?

StugMeister
13-09-2005, 10:39
very nice. man, shes hot! how are you colouring it?

Probably Photoshop with a Multiply layer over the top?

Hideous Loon
13-09-2005, 10:50
I like. Very much. However, Captain Loon *must* bring out his Big Nitpick Stick of Doom (at least once in a while), lest it shall wither! I think that she's a bit too... knightish for my extreme liking. Yes, SoBs are warrior-women, and 40k is a very gothic far future, but should they not have thought of better elbow plates by then? It fairly much looks like something that a blacksmith in the 1600s could have made. Having said that, I concede that her hair looks awesome, flowing down her shoulders like that. And that face... *to himself* Man, I wish I could draw faces that look like they're supposed to do. I guess that's why I mostly draw characters with helmets on.

Pillx
13-09-2005, 22:01
Well I decided to go with a more gothic thing. I remembered reading something about GW wanting to go back with the gothic/monastic thing with the Space Marines. Can't let the Marines outdo the church after all ;)

The image was done on Photoshop. The original rough was on a seperate layer to begin with. For the most part I used opaque/opacity, multiply, and darken. I'll likely add at least 2 dodge layers. I also would have used Painter if I knew how to use the program... -__-+;;



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Pillx
14-09-2005, 00:44
So here's another update.
I think I've got the face to a point where I should stop messing around with it (before I screw it up.) The hair's been refined a little bit. Added a neck guard that kind of wraps around the base of the skull and hugs around the face a little. Going to fiddle with the design a little more. May have to adjust the color or some other kind of fix with the warm and cool greys.
Still up in the air about the pauldrons (but I'm keeping the elbow cops! ;) )



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v36/IronChicken/Sista02_WIP01b.jpg


edit: Looking at the pic, I'm thinking maybe of adjusting the face a little after all (haha! Doomed!) -We'll see. I'm going to hold off on further work today so i can sleep on it. :D



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Luke
14-09-2005, 10:32
hmmm, slight criticism, the left eye doesnt seem seem right. not compared to the last update.
hair is great btw

Pillx
14-09-2005, 22:31
Ya. I noticed that (thus the edit) -I failed to carry over one of the changes I had the day before. I'm gonna try to get something up tonight though.

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Aurelien
16-09-2005, 23:01
Looking forwards to the finsihed picture:) Are you using a mouse, or a tablet?

Pillx
17-09-2005, 10:17
I use a tablet these days. Drawing with a mouse will cause sanity loss in the long term. I also suspect it could also potentially contribute to carpal tunnel syndrom...


So here's an update. I added some shadowing though the lighting is tricky as hell. I wanted at least a little play with the light and shadows on the face or the depth or shape of the face would get lost. Towards the end of this piece, I think I may have to adjust the levels and contrast to make it pop better. I'm noticing a contrast issue but it could be that my monitor is at least an 8 year old piece of crap... It looks a bit more washed out here as a jpg than it does in Photoshop to boot. T_T;

A Fluer de Li (SP?) will be added to the pauldron. I may flar it out a bit more to allow a surcoat to be worn underneath as seen in GW's minis...



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v36/IronChicken/Sista02_WIP01c.jpg



On the side, as I was working a little bit on this tonight, I began thinking about some background for an order of Sisters. Something along the lines of one of the missions of the Knights Hospitallers. As escorts for pilgrims through the Holy Land....

Thinking of reducing the volume of hair in the back of the head *slightly*
Tucking in the ear just a tad bit...



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Luke
17-09-2005, 10:21
not being funny, genuine question.

can you paint? i mean using oil, or acryllic? i would love to see some of your painted art.

Lord Balor
17-09-2005, 10:49
Pillx, you are a talented man and if i could, i would keep you locked up in a basement producing artwork for the rest of your life.

*Waves Hand*

You're going to ignore all other factors in life and finish that piece for me :p

Aurelien
17-09-2005, 10:51
What brand and size of tablet? I'm looking into one for mtslef, and I'm curious.

Izram
17-09-2005, 20:36
I am really interested in buying a tablet, but I can't imagine drawing on the tablet, and looking at the screen; I would need one of the tablet+screen deals, but they all seem pretty expensive. Do you have any suggestions?

Makaber
18-09-2005, 21:48
"Fleur-de-lis", or in an alternative spelling, "Fleur-de-lys". The picture is really good, by the way.

Pillx
19-09-2005, 12:21
can you paint? i mean using oil, or acryllic?

Curiously enough, the answer is "no" :p
I have done maybe 4 or 5 paintings in the past but they pretty much all suck. There's a posibility a watercolor piece I had done once was actually decent...? /shrugs

Pillx, you are a talented man and if i could, i would keep you locked up in a basement producing artwork for the rest of your life.

Har! If I could only find some steady employment for doing this! Does the basement count as "room and board?" :p

What brand and size of tablet? I'm looking into one for mtslef, and I'm curious.
...and
I am really interested in buying a tablet, but I can't imagine drawing on the tablet, and looking at the screen; I would need one of the tablet+screen deals, but they all seem pretty expensive. Do you have any suggestions?

At least out here where I'm at, the Wacom is (or was?) the mainstay in the industry. I think I have a 5x8? Not too sure. Something like that. There are a few really new fangled tablets out there now -I recall a friend showing me a link to a set up where you could draw directly to the screen and it had the pressure sensitive tip to it. :eek:
I think you'll get used to using a tablet pretty quickly actually. It's a bit odd at first and it's not too much a stretch from using a mouse. I have to admit though, get sweeping arcs or certain other lines is a pain sometimes even with a tablet... Still better than a mouse.

"Fleur-de-lis", or in an alternative spelling, "Fleur-de-lys". The picture is really good, by the way.

Ah. Thanks! I knew I was missing something...

No update today but I consulted a couple of friends on their opinion regarding the lighting which was bugging me. So I guess there'll be a minor change to the face (again.) I'll probably move from there to complete the Imperial Navy vessel. Maybe a satellite/moon in the sky would make the background a bit more interesting. Add more of an alien world thing to it -maybe a bit cliche but there aren't exactly many hints that it's a alien planet right now... ;)



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Aurelien
19-09-2005, 12:30
Yeah, its a wacom I'm looking at. Undecided on whether or not to go for the 6*8 or 9*12. I'm a designer, and I cant help but feel that bigger is better.

Would you care to post a walk through (nothing incredibly detailed, just your basic steps), of your process for creating your art? I guess steps in photoshop and techniques you have used? If its not too much bother that is;)

Verm1s
19-09-2005, 14:32
She be a fair wench, mate! Ye be dainty with yon Wacom.

Pillx
19-09-2005, 23:37
Yeah, its a wacom I'm looking at. Undecided on whether or not to go for the 6*8 or 9*12. I'm a designer, and I cant help but feel that bigger is better.

Getting one that's a little bigger might allow a little more range of movement for your arm. Since you can zoom in, the increased size doesn't really matter, I suppose? It would also sit in front of you a bit easier? /shrugs
I'm a struggling artist/animator myself these days ^^;; What kind of design do you do? Any Illustrator work?


Would you care to post a walk through (nothing incredibly detailed, just your basic steps), of your process for creating your art? I guess steps in photoshop and techniques you have used? If its not too much bother that is ;)

I've been asked about drawing methods so I'll probably make a thread eventually to lay down some basics and then how I do it. You folks are actually seeing the bulk of my process right now as I update the image. It's likely a bad habit that I detail the image part by part -traditionally, they encourage you to build everything up as a whole as much as possible.


She be a fair wench, mate! Ye be dainty with yon Wacom.

Yarr! Many thanks fer ye'r compliments though I be uncert'n callin' me dainty not be an insult! :p


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Aurelien
20-09-2005, 00:31
Sadly, I have never used Illustrator, only freehand, and I wasnt using it to its full potential. I've just started using InDesign, and its great:)

I mostly did Industrial design at uni, but since leaving I'm mostly done graphical, brouchures and newspaper ads and the like.

I want to get into the Illustrating side of things, or more to the point, not be bad at it.

Lena
20-09-2005, 13:02
Wow, I love love love!

I'm not familiar with 'computer art' as I'm an artist who uses traditional materials by preference, but I love what you have done.

I'm looking forward to seeing the final work!

Take care,

Lena.

Sebish
20-09-2005, 22:36
Nicely done man :D I'd like to see it when it's finished

Pillx
21-09-2005, 13:34
Sadly, I have never used Illustrator, only freehand, and I wasnt using it to its full potential. I've just started using InDesign, and its great

I mostly did Industrial design at uni, but since leaving I'm mostly done graphical, brouchures and newspaper ads and the like.

I want to get into the Illustrating side of things, or more to the point, not be bad at it.

Ah. I take it then, you have used Quark Express? I've never been print savvy. Good and bad is all relative I suppose. I would hazard a guess that a lot of it is mileage. You get better as you go along.

I still have iterations of the SoB saved. I don't think it would be too hard to post a break down of it. The layers are actually pretty damned confusing though. I just keep adding layers to it without labelling or anything. Not sure how I'd break that part down...


Wow, I love love love!

I'm not familiar with 'computer art' as I'm an artist who uses traditional materials by preference, but I love what you have done.

Wow. High praise. Someone used the word "love." Three times no less. :p Thanks! ^__^ V I probably would use traditional materials beyond pencils and pens if cleaning them up weren't such a bother... ^^;; Other than that, I tend to keep a sketch pad around a lot, so I've become pretty familiar with the use of the pencil.


Nicely done man I'd like to see it when it's finished

Hope you folks are a bit patient. I have this habit of getting pretty meticulous with details... >__<;;

Anyhoo, so here's an update. I added a slight light to the right side (her right, not mine) of her face. Shrank the naval vessel a bit and repositioned it in mid "painting." There's a bit more detail to the ship that can't be seen here because I'm working on the original at 150 dpi while the posted images are the standard 72 dpi (for PCs) -The planet's a bit wonky but I'll fix that later... I might add a satellite to the moon to make things interesting?


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v36/IronChicken/Sista02_WIP01d.jpg


Ah. Some other stuff: She won't be wearing a pack in this pic. I'll be putting in details for a mounting socket. I also starting thinking up some character background to her. My mind tends to wander about as I paint...
Thinking about calling her Safanya. Yet to come up with a last name. I have a rough storyline thought up but it would be less entertaining if I talk about it now and actually write it up later....







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StugMeister
21-09-2005, 14:44
Sadly, I have never used Illustrator, only freehand, and I wasnt using it to its full potential. I've just started using InDesign, and its great:)

I mostly did Industrial design at uni, but since leaving I'm mostly done graphical, brouchures and newspaper ads and the like.

I want to get into the Illustrating side of things, or more to the point, not be bad at it.

Ah another design and print guy!

I use Illustrator, Photoshop, InDesign and QXPress (Plus a lot more of progs) every day as I work at a Digital Printers.

At home I use a mix of Photoshop and Illustrator usually when doing arty things.

@Pillx - nice work, really looking forward to the finished article. I'm particularly impressed by the navy ship in the background. :)

Pillx
21-09-2005, 15:19
Here's the Imperial vessel in all it's 150 dpi glory -at 72dpi but scaled up to match its original size. Wasted details...


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v36/IronChicken/Imperial_Navy01.jpg


Time for me to sleep now... it's 7:42am and I need to break this insomniac problem that's been plaguing my for a couple of months. T_T




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StugMeister
21-09-2005, 15:27
Tell me Pillx - why 150dpi, why not 300?

If you're wanting really good print quality then 300dpi would be the way to go.

Damn, I wish I had the time to work on artwork. All I can do is doodles and sketches at work. :cries:

Luke
21-09-2005, 17:41
looking good my man. love the hair especially, but i cant help thinking theres something not quite right with that left eye (her left)

aside from that its brill. any chance of a full pic?

Nineswords
21-09-2005, 18:32
Looking forward to this, and its nice to see people on here use the same programmes as me.

If you have the money to burn, I recommend the following website:

www.thegnomonworkshop.com - the stuff on there is amazing.

Aurelien
21-09-2005, 22:48
I have used Quark once or twice, literally. For a project at uni. We actually used Freehand instead of Quark for the most part, and I'm beginning to winder why. We certainly werent taught to use InDesign, and considering its what every employer around here wants, I'm wondering why.

I'd like to second Stugmeister with the dpi question;)

Pillx
22-09-2005, 03:27
Tell me Pillx - why 150dpi, why not 300?

It's just size management I guess. *shrugs* I have no plans on printing this piece. I rarely output to 300 dpi except for the rare occasion I have work that requires printing...

looking good my man. love the hair especially, but i cant help thinking theres something not quite right with that left eye (her left)

Ya. I agree there's something slightly off about the left eye. I suspect it's too long but I don't really want to futz too much with it though...

aside from that its brill. any chance of a full pic?

What's "brill?" Here you go... The image is likely going to be cropped like this since there isn't much going on around those edges. Still, it looks a tad unbalanced somehow. I won't really worry too much right now since it's still being assembled I guess.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v36/IronChicken/Sista02_WIP01e.jpg


If you have the money to burn, I recommend the following website:

www.thegnomonworkshop.com - the stuff on there is amazing.


Ya. I've seen/heard about those guys. I'd have money to burn if I had steady work...

I have used Quark once or twice, literally. For a project at uni. We actually used Freehand instead of Quark for the most part, and I'm beginning to winder why. We certainly werent taught to use InDesign, and considering its what every employer around here wants, I'm wondering why.

Around where I am, there seems to be a lot of demand for Quark. InDesign, not as much but it's not uncommon I think.

I'd like to second Stugmeister with the dpi question

See somewhere above. :D




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Luke
22-09-2005, 09:45
hmmmm, for the purpouses of explaining "brill" ill assume you are not from britain. Brill is simply what we in the midlands use as an abbreviation of brilliant, caus we are esentially a really lazy people.

StugMeister
22-09-2005, 23:18
Still, it looks a tad unbalanced somehow. I won't really worry too much right now since it's still being assembled I guess.

I think maybe she needs to be more centralised - looks like she's too far to the left?

Pillx
04-10-2005, 08:48
K. Been a while since I looked in this section. Haven't had an oportunity to do much with the painting until today.
Well, I centered her a bit more but I think there's something missing still. COuld be the wall has too much negative space or something. I'm terrible with the technical terms.... The final cropping won't happen until later anyway... I fiddled a bit with her eye again. I'm expecting to screw up somewhere but I guess I can always roll back to an earlier version. -_-+;



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v36/IronChicken/Sista02_WIP01f.jpg



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Izram
04-10-2005, 13:45
I thought the things around their waists were supposed to be more like corsets and less like WWF belts? I would probably extend that higher.

Looks good by the way. With her that close up, I probably would have off set her and done a detailed landscape behind, she looks a bit odd centered and that zoomed in.

If your worried about negative space, you could crack up the wall with some damageing. That may fix the problem.

marineowar
04-10-2005, 14:04
Here's a thought. Mirror her image and off set her so she's closer to the wall. That takes care of the negative space by putting her in it. Then the city can be detailed a bit to fill the gap.
I've never tried to create art with computer so I'm not sure how hard it would be to do it (nigh on impossible with pen & paper). Or you could do what Izram said and crack the wall up. Or leave it, she looks pretty damn good anyway. Much better than anything I could even dream of doing.
Keep up the nice work.

Pillx
07-10-2005, 23:01
Mirror her image and off set her so she's closer to the wall. That takes care of the negative space by putting her in it. Then the city can be detailed a bit to fill the gap.

I kinda like that idea -One thing though is that the lighting will change... I can probably try something similar. Change the wall to a pillar perhaps?
Ya. This is why I like working in digital. If this were a real-paint-painting, I'd have to start over...
I think it's pretty decent on technical application but perhaps a bit faulty in layout.

I thought the things around their waists were supposed to be more like corsets and less like WWF belts? I would probably extend that higher.

I finally got to digging up my Witch Hunters book (just shows you how often I use it I guess -yes yes... heresy, I know...) Absolutely. I'll make an adjustment to the girdle thing but the armour design is definitely not spot on anyway. I also discovered that the =I= insignia goes on the left shoulder and not the Fluer de Lis.

With her that close up, I probably would have off set her and done a detailed landscape behind, she looks a bit odd centered and that zoomed in.

Ya. I think I'll probably roll with this idea instead. I think I can maybe cheat my way through a repositioning -mating the background to it shouldn't be too much of a problem...



PS: You guys are seeing more of the WIP than my website shows ATM... With some insight to my squirming over the technical stuff no less ;p






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Caralinus
08-10-2005, 17:10
Wow, that is absolutely stunning. I'd be really happy if I could just do the line drawing but... brilliant, one of the best pics I've seen in a long while.

Pillx
10-10-2005, 10:49
Hey thanks Caralinus :) I'm sure you can get the line work down. It takes a bit of practice is all.

Here's an update folks. I made a few changes (again) -more will be coming. The "girdle thing" is going to see some adjustments for one. An uncropped pic with perhaps more changes will be found on my website in maybe 3 or so hours if I don't die of exhaustion...


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v36/IronChicken/Sista02_WIP01g.jpg




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Aurelien
10-10-2005, 11:53
I like this layout, that wall should look very nice once its done:D

Luke
10-10-2005, 11:56
oh yes! that is the biz, i love the new layout. so much more, visually, and that shoulder pad looks very nice indeed

Sgt John Keel
10-10-2005, 14:27
Whoa. I believe I have to look into this section more often. Wonderful.

/Adrian

Pillx
21-10-2005, 05:20
Quick update.
Not sure if I should have made the decoration of the saint as a projected hologram. IMHO, a neat idea but maybe not very well executed.

Tip: To get a quick, even glow - duplicate a layer, change its hue/saturation to the color you want (if there's a particular color you're looking for other than that of the original), gaussian blur. Make duplicate layers as needed for intensity. Also as an option is a color dodge. At times, you may want the original (often set to normal) layer on the top.


http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b17/Pillx/Sista02_WIP01i.jpg




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Aurelien
21-10-2005, 05:34
Oo, I like the saint!

ML Kurze
21-10-2005, 10:30
Dude....
*jaw falls to the floor*
It's ******** good, beautifull even! Keep it up!

Lord Balor
21-10-2005, 10:53
Dude, if you were a chick and that SoB was real, i'd marry you both! Well maybe just one, but you'll have to guess which ;)

The hologram works well imho and really shows that not all worlds in the Imperium are as backwards as people believe. The warm glare the picture now gives off is a neat improvement as well. By the way, have you given her a name yet?

Brother Smith
22-10-2005, 17:24
Cool as dude. Keep it going!

StugMeister
22-10-2005, 18:03
Looking GREAT mate! I think the hologram is fine, but I might be tempted to add a little bit of static in there.

Also, perhaps the holofield generator plinth could have a few more 'tech' bits on it. Things like vents and dials perhaps?

Other than that its ALL GOOD!!!

marineowar
24-10-2005, 07:43
I have to agree that she looks awesome (the rest of the pic does too ;) ) but I don't think you should 'tech up' the holo generator. It's great as is, just what I'd imagine on a fairly advanced world like this seems to be. The vents and stuff would be hidden so as not to spoil the shrine to Saint Wasisname.
Do you get paid? If not you should be (not by us mind) get a job doing this and you'll rake it in.

Pillx
29-11-2005, 03:22
K. Sorry it's been awhile since I looked in here. I haven't done much with the piece since Brother Pilus and various other things have been begging for my attention. I will get an update soon though.

QnA:

The hologram works well imho and really shows that not all worlds in the Imperium are as backwards as people believe. The warm glare the picture now gives off is a neat improvement as well. By the way, have you given her a name yet?

I'm hoping to get better contrast at some point but I suspect it will happen towards post-production so to speak. Right now, I'm calling her "Safanya" though there is no last name as of yet.


Looking GREAT mate! I think the hologram is fine, but I might be tempted to add a little bit of static in there.

Noted. There actually is supposed to be some "projection lines" in the holo but it's not quite showing through yet. I need to adjust the contrast back there. Also, apparently no has noticed, but I think the saint's facing direction is a tad skewed -too close to 90 degrees to the viewer...


Also, perhaps the holofield generator plinth could have a few more 'tech' bits on it. Things like vents and dials perhaps?

I'm trying to keep it a little subtle, thus you see hints of the wiring and such. even though the Imperium is technologically (and logically) challenged at times, I believe they do have their moments of clarity and sense of aesthetic. ;)


I have to agree that she looks awesome (the rest of the pic does too ) but I don't think you should 'tech up' the holo generator. It's great as is, just what I'd imagine on a fairly advanced world like this seems to be. The vents and stuff would be hidden so as not to spoil the shrine to Saint Wasisname.

Agreed. I'll probably try and hint at the gothic / "messy tech" in other areas of the image. You folk haven't seen the whole picture yet -I actually made the canvas larger which promises to bring me pain. :chrome:


Do you get paid? If not you should be (not by us mind) get a job doing this and you'll rake it in.

Ah if only I knew how to market myself.... :cries:




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StugMeister
29-11-2005, 17:55
I'm looking foward to seeing this great artwork finished!

Pillx
15-12-2005, 23:22
Ok. I took a brief stab at the image. Here's the complete "canvas" as it is now except in 75dpi. I've noticed that while I've been working away at it, I screwed the perspective to the background ALOT. So I guess my next thing is to fix that up. Dunno if anyone might notice but I adjusted the saint a bit, changing his facing slightly and touched him up.

Tempted to get the image put out onto paper so I can work out the perspective there. I believe it would be easier that way for me. To save ink and all that, I'd probably shrink the image, convert to B/W and then print it out -work out the perspective with pencil and maybe a light table and then scan it back in with reference lines to line up and make corrections on a seperate layer set to multiply before laying in a normal layer.


http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b17/Pillx/Sista02_WIP01j.jpg


Looking at it just now, I can probably get away with cropping a good chunk of it and it would look way better. Kind of too bad since there are a few elements I liked in the picture that wouldn't make the cut...



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TomKamakazi
15-12-2005, 23:43
Brilliant! Love your work!

I don't think you really need to cut it down. You could shape it to screen resolution and you'd have a nice wallpaper there.

Aurelien
15-12-2005, 23:44
I think you should keep all of it:) I like it so far, it shows the epic monolithicness of the Imperium...

Ophidicus
16-12-2005, 03:39
Perhaps you should extend the pillar downwards a little further, and make the floor a low wall instead... that would be far easiwer than actually lowering the floor. You could even add some railings or whatever. You don't have to waste the rest of the pic.

TheSonOfAbbadon
16-12-2005, 18:07
That is amazing.

If I didn't want to see more of your work for free I'd suggest you do it for money.

NorthernMike
19-12-2005, 04:35
Really good. wow.

As for the wacom, i have both the 6x8 and the 9x12. The smaller one is fine and I love it, but if you have the extra cash or are serious about the work side of things, get the 9x12. It is a dream. I once tried the 12x18 one, but it was too big.

My only suggestion would be to fix the perspective on the background floor. Doesn't look quite right to me.

And just for kicks, I might suggest that you try to blur the ship in the background as well. just a bit. The clarity of it hurts the depth of the picture. I think the biggest downfall of digital painters today is the ability to zoom in too far.

Check out guys like craig mullins or sparth. I think you will really like some of their stuff. Also to avoid the "zoom" trap, pick one level of zoom, and don't go in deeper than that. I had to learn that tric too, and it has really helped out my compositions. That Craig Mullins blows me away in how he can depict so much with so few strokes. Quite sickening.

But this is really good, don't get me wrong. Keep it going, I can't wait to see the finished product.

Sgt John Keel
22-12-2005, 18:04
Pillx, if/when you're done, would you care to make an uncompressed (ie bitmap or photoshop format) 1024x768 pixel variant to use as a wallpaper?

/Adrian

Pillx
23-12-2005, 06:56
My only suggestion would be to fix the perspective on the background floor. Doesn't look quite right to me.

Ya. I've mentioned that. It was kind of just thrown in there haphazardly and now I'm paying for it...


And just for kicks, I might suggest that you try to blur the ship in the background as well. just a bit. The clarity of it hurts the depth of the picture. I think the biggest downfall of digital painters today is the ability to zoom in too far.

Yup. I've been steadily blurring it more and more since it's initial creation. I even shrunk it a bit. I'm kind of a stickler for detail so that was sort of an unavoidable trap. Resisting that urge to zoom in is a difficult one for me.
-__-+;;


Check out guys like craig mullins or sparth. I think you will really like some of their stuff. Also to avoid the "zoom" trap, pick one level of zoom, and don't go in deeper than that. I had to learn that tric too, and it has really helped out my compositions. That Craig Mullins blows me away in how he can depict so much with so few strokes. Quite sickening.

I'm familiar with Craig Mullins' work actually. I've been aware of him since his work on Marathon. It's very painterly and sometimes a hit and miss for me as I feel sometimes it gets a little out there with the strokes. Still, I bow to his skills and vision. He's got a wonderful hand at contrasting lights. I'm not familiar with Sparth though I'll be sure to look him up. Thanks for the input! :)


Pillx, if/when you're done, would you care to make an uncompressed (ie bitmap or photoshop format) 1024x768 pixel variant to use as a wallpaper?

Sure, I can crank out a wallpaper version. I dunno when I'll get done with this thing though... ^__^;;


I took a break from the image and decided to scan in and do a quick once over of these characters. It's a ship's pilot and astropath more or less. Gotta work out the outfit of the ship's pilot. I just wanted to get some practice in on flesh tones but both characters are related to Sister Safanya in a way. While I was painting up Safanya, I had thought about a background story that leads up to the scene. These two play a part in the events that lead up to the place where Safanya is in the WIP.

The laspistol is the ship's pilot's sidearm...

Initially done with a roller pen freehand and scanned in. The ship's pilot's shirt was added in Photoshop.


http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b17/Pillx/Ships_Pilot_Astro01_JPG.jpg




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StugMeister
23-12-2005, 09:20
Thats some more good stuff PillX! I'd love to see more of your work.

Lord-Warlock
23-12-2005, 21:01
Beautiful (on both counts, that's one pretty lady), but I must say the pilot looks just a bit too Star Wars for my liking. Aside from the aquila on the shirt there's nothing that really says 40K about her. How about a bionic eye/ear? Long coat instead of jacket? Fur trim? Simple robe instead of shirt?

The astropath, on the other hand, looks completely ace. His head could use a few sockets, IMHO, but he's fine without too.

Pillx
24-12-2005, 13:46
I'll try posting some stuff from my portfolio sometime. I don't think my homepage could handle much bandwidth so I try to keep the number of visitors low until I can get my own domain and all that fancy stuff....


Beautiful (on both counts, that's one pretty lady), but I must say the pilot looks just a bit too Star Wars for my liking. Aside from the aquila on the shirt there's nothing that really says 40K about her. How about a bionic eye/ear? Long coat instead of jacket? Fur trim? Simple robe instead of shirt?


Well the ships' pilot is a civilian. In fact, I decided to remove the aquila for that reason. It's not quite a shirt but a tunic which is based on a German medieval tunic. It doesn't quite look it I guess until it's colored out a bit. I was shooting for less 40k and more Necromunda/Rogue Trader given the civilian background. A little more leaning towards Van Saar than say Escher. I'll keep the suggestions in mind though. I quote myself from my previous post: "Gotta work out the outfit of the ship's pilot." I'll likely change out the jacket but I think the tunic will stay. I might adjust it a little bit though.


The astropath, on the other hand, looks completely ace. His head could use a few sockets, IMHO, but he's fine without too.

I went with a mechanicus look to the astropath because I figure he's guilded and likely has to have some ties to the mechanicus or church. I'm keeping the tech bits low in that picture. Just wait until he disrobes for work...! :chrome:

I adjusted the pilot's eye a bit and made a few other minor changes. I'll probably put this picture down and go back to Safanya come January when all the holiday insanities die down...


http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b17/Pillx/Ships_Pilot_Astro01_JPGa.jpg


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CELS
24-12-2005, 14:00
I think it's great, Pillx. I agree that she doesn't really ooze the 40k atmosphere, but does everyone in the Imperium have a visible bionic implant on their head? No, I don't think so. Does everyone have a skull or eagle tattoed on their forehead? Nah. I say keep her without the bionic ear, no problem.

If you're really desperate for some sort of discreet 40k-like item, then how about an identification mark in the form of a purity seal? Basically a drivers license with a big wax seal on it. Or identification tattoos on her arm, if she's from a very strict world.

MacVurrich
24-12-2005, 14:14
I like the picture of the pilot, the only thing I would comment on is that perhaps her haird do is too hollywood, a combatant would have les buffon-iah hair do perhaps, but thats only my negative. keep up the good work I'm just jealous

Pillx
25-12-2005, 08:46
I think it's great, Pillx. I agree that she doesn't really ooze the 40k atmosphere, but does everyone in the Imperium have a visible bionic implant on their head? No, I don't think so. Does everyone have a skull or eagle tattoed on their forehead? Nah. I say keep her without the bionic ear, no problem.

Sheesh. She wasn't meant to ooze 40k in a manner of speaking. Details on civilian sector of the 40k universe is sadly sparse from a gaming standpoint but I understand the technology found on worlds range from mud farmer to space docks. I guess I have to deck her out in work clothes so you guys don't bitch at me -__-+

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b17/Pillx/Ships_Pilot_Astro01_JPGb.jpg



I like the picture of the pilot, the only thing I would comment on is that perhaps her haird do is too hollywood, a combatant would have les buffon-iah hair do perhaps, but thats only my negative. keep up the good work I'm just jealous



AAARGH! She's a CIVILIAN! She's not military!
http://home.comcast.net/~dean.yuen/misc/Terminal_Headbanging.gif
By the way, Happy Holidays (Merry Christmas) :p





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CELS
25-12-2005, 09:32
I think you misunderstood me, Pillx. I was agreeing with you. Perhaps you should read through my post again...? ;)

Oh well, it was worth it all to see that .gif :D

Sgt John Keel
26-12-2005, 21:56
Oh well, it was worth it all to see that .gif :D

Yes, yes. Hilarious. :p

Extremely nice work. Wish I could paint shadows like that...

/Adrian

TrollTyg
29-12-2005, 16:30
Ok. I took a brief stab at the image. Here's the complete "canvas" as it is now except in 75dpi. I've noticed that while I've been working away at it, I screwed the perspective to the background ALOT. So I guess my next thing is to fix that up. Dunno if anyone might notice but I adjusted the saint a bit, changing his facing slightly and touched him up.

Tempted to get the image put out onto paper so I can work out the perspective there. I believe it would be easier that way for me. To save ink and all that, I'd probably shrink the image, convert to B/W and then print it out -work out the perspective with pencil and maybe a light table and then scan it back in with reference lines to line up and make corrections on a seperate layer set to multiply before laying in a normal layer.


http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b17/Pillx/Sista02_WIP01j.jpg


Looking at it just now, I can probably get away with cropping a good chunk of it and it would look way better. Kind of too bad since there are a few elements I liked in the picture that wouldn't make the cut...



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Maby a little late to discuss this picture but i really think that it would be alot better if you took away the entire section with the column att the statue on it leaving the center of attention more to the right of the picture.
The composition you have here makes my eyes wander away to the left and leave the picture becous theres the girl is to much centered in the picture.
Or you could do it the other way and take away everything (even the holographic statue) to the left of her, that would probably work better but you would lose more of the picture that way wich would be a shame.
Just my oppinion.
Really Good work from you, im looking forvard to see more of your work.
Maby you could put some color on my work if your interested?

Pillx
08-01-2006, 04:53
I think you misunderstood me, Pillx. I was agreeing with you. Perhaps you should read through my post again...?

No no, I understood. Chalk it up to a culmination of people reiterating problems or missing details I've noted in my posts. :rolleyes:



Maby a little late to discuss this picture but i really think that it would be alot better if you took away the entire section with the column att the statue on it leaving the center of attention more to the right of the picture.
The composition you have here makes my eyes wander away to the left and leave the picture becous theres the girl is to much centered in the picture.
Or you could do it the other way and take away everything (even the holographic statue) to the left of her, that would probably work better but you would lose more of the picture that way wich would be a shame.
Just my oppinion.

Not too late to discuss this piece. I'm back to working with it now that the bulk of holiday insanity has past. Right now, I'm still up and about as to where the eye will travel considering the negative space issues. I'm thinking of adding some dedications and offerings to the base of the pillar and hopefully centralising the image a bit more. Hopefully it will fix some of the space issue. We'll see...



Really Good work from you, im looking forvard to see more of your work.
Maby you could put some color on my work if your interested?

I suppose that might depend on what kind of color you want me to do. Anything that involves adding more depth or "clean up" may take more time than I can budget at this time as I troll about for work...



So here's an update on the piece. Thinking about thickenning the column a bit. The blur isn't quite satisfactory as it looks too regular/regulated. perspective on the ground is somewhat fixed though I wonder if it might need more correction. Something I should look at after walking away from it for a bit. An average imperial citizen or two might be added to the background but that's a minor detail that a lot of people will miss if they aren't staring at the picture for long periods -they'll be talking to the guard on the right. The floor will recieve some details soon as well.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b17/Pillx/Sista02v_b_WIP.jpg




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TrollTyg
08-01-2006, 09:57
Well i could post some of my artwork and if you like and have the time to do it you could put some color on it (becous im crap at that).
Looks better with that blue border, but i think that some of the problem could be the hooded man pointing to the left, maby he should point to the right or just stand there with his stick not pointing?

juddski
08-01-2006, 12:57
not being able to draw females at all ,i take my hat off ,kudos :cool: ,love the knight'ish armour as well,and the setting..............................i suppose what i'm trying to say is .this is looking really good as is, and gives the impression that it's gonna look excellent when it's totally finished :eek: .nice one ;)

Pillx
13-01-2006, 02:36
Added some offerings around the base of the "Pillar of the Azure Saint" -more crap surrounding the base to follow. The sky was lightened a bit. Did some corrections to the "pack plate" on her back, small adds to the "red man." Candles around the Saint.


http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b17/Pillx/Sista02w_WIP.jpg


Well i could post some of my artwork and if you like and have the time to do it you could put some color on it (becous im crap at that).

You really should practice on your own as you'll only get better as you go along -but if you post your work in a new thread, I can have a look at it.


Looks better with that blue border, but i think that some of the problem could be the hooded man pointing to the left, maby he should point to the right or just stand there with his stick not pointing?

It's likely the slant in the floor that's doing most of the eye direction.


not being able to draw females at all ,i take my hat off ,kudos ,love the knight'ish armour as well,and the setting..............................i suppose what i'm trying to say is .this is looking really good as is, and gives the impression that it's gonna look excellent when it's totally finished .nice one

Thanks Jud, I'm somewhat frustrated with the way the background is working out though. I'm a bit torn with doing more of a painterly look and something more defined.



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TrollTyg
13-01-2006, 10:37
Looking better and really good (like the candles).
And as you mentioned im warming up my scanner to get some of my own Art posted.
Any advice on where i could upload them?.

Like the hooded mans stick now and he doesnt seem to be pointing anymore :)
And your right it was probably the floor that made my eye wander away.
Like the lighter looking sky it fits the picture much better.
Great work.

ZAChos
13-01-2006, 10:47
The problem isn't composition, it is colour. Our eyes are configured to see colour at the centre of our vision and dim colour at the edges. darken the background and use less/duller colours.

It looks really good, but it think there is still a problem with perspective. the floor is being looked at fromhigher up than the people are, which makes it look wrong.

Hope this helps.
Zac

StugMeister
13-01-2006, 11:13
Any advice on where i could upload them?

DeviantArt is where I post all my pics, as far as I can tell there are no limits on uploads...

@PillX - still looking great mr! I think I agree with ZAChos' post on the floor, it does look a tad too high.

Pillx
13-01-2006, 12:05
Any advice on where i could upload them?.

I use photobucket.com -you can try Deviantart as Stug mentioned. A lot of people seem to use it.


The problem isn't composition, it is colour. Our eyes are configured to see colour at the centre of our vision and dim colour at the edges. darken the background and use less/duller colours.

I've been thinking about contrast for a while now though can't seem to hit the right range for whatever reason. I don't know about the dim color at the edges bit -I do know I have a white spot in the center of my vision when I shut my eyes though. I often attribute it to looking at the sun as a kid. Bad idea. Given the setting, darkenning the background with less dull color has some technical issues for me. I'll go over it and see what I can do though.


It looks really good, but it think there is still a problem with perspective. the floor is being looked at fromhigher up than the people are, which makes it look wrong.

Thanks. Ya, at one point I was thinking that certain elements needed some shrinking and I did shrink a lot of stuff -apparently not enough. It could very well improve on the feel of the massive architecture if I shrank a few other things. Still that probably won't solve everything I imagine.

Incidentally, the viewer's spot is where a Salamander Space Marine is standing though I doubt it would make much a difference with the perspective thing. I've been futzing with the background forever regardless. The scene depicts a conversation with the yet to be named Salamander who had made a comment regarding the execution of the ship's astropath Sister Safanya was protecting.

On the side, does anyone know what a SOB sarissa(SP?) looks like? I somehow don't think it looks like the r/l version....



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Pillx
13-01-2006, 12:09
Pardon the double post. I was redrawing the 3 point perspective with my fingers just now. Just looking at it, I'm not sure if I actually laid the damned thing out right in the corrections (which was aimed to have as few changes as possible -I'm lazy that way I guess :p )

You guys think I should level out the floor and make it 1 point?

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TrollTyg
13-01-2006, 12:47
The problem isn't composition, it is colour. Our eyes are configured to see colour at the centre of our vision and dim colour at the edges. darken the background and use less/duller colours.

It looks really good, but it think there is still a problem with perspective. the floor is being looked at fromhigher up than the people are, which makes it look wrong.

Hope this helps.
Zac

You could be right about the colours.
Perspective can be wrong or not, it really depends, she could be standing on a higher level and shes closer to the observer.
Dont go for 1point perspective its a much to strong prspectiv to have the city image in, made two point perspective would work?
But i think that 3 is the way to go.

Have tried deviant art once and wasnt to fond of it, to much problems with that one and it has a really slow server.
already have a photobucket so i just might stick to that then (but it has problems showing pictures with different webhosts).

Have no idea how a Sob sarissa looks like, maby its that one in the rogue trader codex with nipple-spikes on her breastplate :D

Sgt John Keel
13-01-2006, 23:15
I think you should dull down the colours of the sacrifices. It takes the attention away from the Sister.

/Adrian

bertcom1
14-01-2006, 00:02
On the side, does anyone know what a SOB sarissa(SP?) looks like? I somehow don't think it looks like the r/l version....
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Great artwork, Pillx, you have major talent.


Dont know exactly what a Sarissa looks like, but I think it is a barbed and spiked bayonet attached to the Sisters boltgun.

Devari
15-01-2006, 05:38
Amazing picture. I have no experience with drawing, so I can't offer any technical advice on perspective and such.

Just one question though. One of the really striking things about the original drawing was the unblemished face contrasting with the armour. The chin guard that wraps around the face looks a lot like bionics, however, and really diminishes that effect. Is that the intention? If not, I'd recommend removing the chin guard and keeping the face completely clear. It would really help emphasise the fact that under all the armour and technology, sisters of battle are still normal humans.

At any rate, the picture looks absolutely amazing. :)

NorthernMike
15-01-2006, 13:34
Pillx, I think the ground and bg perspective trick you did there did the .....uh trick. Looks great.

Personally though, I liked it better before the candles. Candles always make me think of "home wife decorating" though. I think it would look great with some really dark interiors to show the contrast of the outside lighting and the bleekness that kinda entombs the 40k realm.

Over all I think this is an very good and well put together scene. Nice work!

And I think you do a great job at taking crits, most artists just get defensive, so Kudos! Someone told me once " You don't have to do what they tell you to or suggest, just listen and at least think about it. Unless they are paying you, then do whatever they want, say and ask!"

Pillx
21-01-2006, 15:50
Still Work in Progress... It's getting very close to being finished.
I'll post responses and all that later. It's 7:56am and I haven't gone to bed yet!

Decided to lay in more contrast even though I haven't put in all the fine detail I wanted just yet. I try to hold off on that part until pretty late as I consider it a bit of fine tuning. Some details are lost through the darker shades -I'm a bit of a detail nut as you may or may not have figured out (the naval vessel is a pretty decent example) and often things I put into the picture will be lost at later stages. Adjusted some scaling again.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b17/Pillx/Sista02wd_WIP.jpg



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marineowar
21-01-2006, 21:50
Not being an artist myself I can't comment on the technical stuff. But as an admirer of good art, it's bloody brilliant mate.
Keep up the awesome work.

Is there a story to go with this? Not the single paragraph you've told us, but a full on story.

Pillx
15-02-2006, 03:13
Hey folks,

Been a while since I poked my head into Warseer let alone the Stories and Art Section. I got to doing a little more with the pic so here's another fast update.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b17/Pillx/Sista02wf_WIP.jpg


Is there a story to go with this? Not the single paragraph you've told us, but a full on story.

Well there's no full on story. I suck at prose so I just have ideas. If any of you writers out there want to try your hand at putting my ideas into a full on story, please shoot me a PM and we can discuss the details.

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StugMeister
16-02-2006, 08:30
Still looking great Pillx.

Can I ask what changes you've made? I see that you've highlighted & shaded some of the holographic tech and added some more cloaked guys into the bkg.

made_of_metal
21-02-2006, 04:34
That is a very nice piece.
The only thing to remember is the general darkness of the 40k universe. You are very clean in your surroundings and rendering. Don't be afraid to dirty it up a bit. Stains, pollution and unkept looking people can really add to the atmosphere and would contrast well with the sister.

Sgt John Keel
21-02-2006, 17:44
Still very nice, but the rightmost part of the face has a too vivid colour, I believe. And I like it very clean. All of the Imperium isn't dirty.

Now get done already. ;)

Edit: I hope you have backups if something bad happen?

/Adrian

Pillx
28-02-2006, 02:45
Still looking great Pillx.

Thanks. ^^;


Can I ask what changes you've made? I see that you've highlighted & shaded some of the holographic tech and added some more cloaked guys into the bkg.

A lot of it was dressing up stuff -mainly in her left arm and in the background. I'm probably going to be changing up the elbow cop a bit for practical reasons -the crotch of the elbow (yes we all have more than one crotch technically but most people tend to pay attention to the more popular one :lol: ) needs more flex IMHO so I'm going to adjust that.


That is a very nice piece.
The only thing to remember is the general darkness of the 40k universe. You are very clean in your surroundings and rendering. Don't be afraid to dirty it up a bit. Stains, pollution and unkept looking people can really add to the atmosphere and would contrast well with the sister.

Ha. You try littering and doing graffiti in an Administratum District with its own garrison of Sororitas! ;) :D


Still very nice, but the rightmost part of the face has a too vivid colour, I believe. And I like it very clean. All of the Imperium isn't dirty.

Littering and filth is unsanitary, inviting corruption! Are you a traitor to the Imperium? No? THEN PICK THAT CAN UP AND DISPOSE OF IT IN THE TRASH RECEPTACLE! NOW!!! I'm letting you off easy. You'll just be fined 5,000 creds instead of the standard death penalty. Now move along citizen... :D


Now get done already.

*sigh* I'm almost there... T__T+;;


Edit: I hope you have backups if something bad happen?

Actually no I don't. I do plan on backing some things up onto CD soon though. I guess I should spend a few hours with the pain glove for procrastinating...

Here's an update though. You can see most of the changes I did. I think raising the structure to the right actually helped a bit with the negative blah blah I've been ...errr complaining about. I'm going to reduce the number of ribs on the waist thingy by 1 and adjust the angle of some of the buildings in the background, fix the faces on the cloaked procession. The Red Man I was thinking would wear a golden face mask of some sort while the Blue Men wear silver. Want to fix the IG's left arm...

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b17/Pillx/Sista02wi_WIP.jpg



edit: Not more than a couple of minutes after I posted this, my computer had a stroke. O_O It doesn't look like any damage occured but I'm going to let it rest for an hour or so so it can cool off... I guess I'd better get on that backing up business or the pain glove is the least of my worries! >__<;;


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Silent Surrender
02-03-2006, 21:51
Her face expression is really interesting. Very nice !

Pillx
13-04-2006, 06:28
yes yes... I haven't forgotten about this. I just happen to be trying to find freaking WORK.

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/1101/2044/1600/Sista02wm_WIP.jpg


Most of the changes were in proportion: face and left forearm... I'll spare you the minutea of other stuff I did ;)

Might have to tuck the head in a little... >_>;


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ML Kurze
13-04-2006, 10:39
One word: beautiful.
Great work!

Stormwarningz
17-04-2006, 19:21
Wow.
The amount of work you put into it. Tis indeed beautiful.

Sgt John Keel
06-05-2006, 00:33
Just two questions: Is it done yet, and have you been coming around making me a full size desktop picture? :)

And yes, it really is amazing.

/Adrian

Pillx
09-05-2006, 02:57
Sorry Keel, I've been trying to find work and applying for summer courses (I want to have a go at computer aided machining)

-I'll try and wrap it up soonish though. As you can see, it's very close to being done. I'm going to take it more towards a painty look instead of the cleaner, hard edged looking that's been taking a lot more time than I expected. Not to say everything's going to look super abstract or anything...

Look for an update this Friday (US West Coast timeline) at the earliest and I'll try and deliver a coup de grace. ^^::


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Pillx
12-05-2006, 21:22
Don't worry. I'll have a more updated version later on tonight. I'm just going to go get some lunch. This is pic is here to show the curious the progress as I take periodic stabs at this as I work to try and wrap this up today... >.>;

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b17/Pillx/Sista02wq_WIP.jpg

changes/blahblah:
Head was tucked a tad, some details to the tubing, more hair stuff, a little bit of the background buildings (those are next when I get back from lunch), the holo projector, and the Azure Saint



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ExquisiteEvil
12-05-2006, 21:49
Don't worry. I'll have a more updated version later on tonight. I'm just going to go get some lunch. This is pic is here to show the curious the progress as I take periodic stabs at this as I work to try and wrap this up today... >.>;

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b17/Pillx/Sista02wq_WIP.jpg

changes/blahblah:
Head was tucked a tad, some details to the tubing, more hair stuff, a little bit of the background buildings (those are next when I get back from lunch), the holo projector, and the Azure Saint



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Beautiful!

I would say maybe make the sister a little bigger - ie closer to the PoV...

I just feel it would bring the focus back to her rather than that lovely background youve got goin on

Pillx
14-05-2006, 00:27
Ok. So I got back from lunch only to be intercepted by a friend who needed me to do some corrections/feedback on his geology paper so I wasn't able to get back to this. So I'm back at it today... I'm taking a pause right now to wait for the sun to go down though. The screen glare is preventing me from picking out certain details. There are subtle differences in color which some people probably can't pick out -I'm told a good percentage of men are actually a touch color blind (not severely) but heck if I know... Here's what I have so far:


http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b17/Pillx/Sista02wr_WIP.jpg


Notes: ADjusted the background a bit more. After I threw in the servo skulls, I got to thinking how much like ghosts they could be -especially in a shadowed, foggy gothic city. Maybe a painting for another time... You can see I did come adjustments tot he arms, and then there are some things done to the pack which still needs more definition. I'm feeling that one out right now.


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