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Malorian
21-11-2007, 21:25
I've never seen any ones use them but they look cool and their sats seem good on paper.

Am I missing something?

Bloodknight
21-11-2007, 21:37
Metal models. I think that's it. They are expensive to buy and due to the points drop in Warriors not as good as they used to be in comparison. Before the army book update corsairs were seen quite often.

theunwantedbeing
21-11-2007, 21:38
Er the models being metal probably has something to do with it.
Seeing as they cost 7 for 2 making a unit of 20 of them 70, as opposed to the 20 or so it'll cost for simple spearmen or repeter crossbowmen.
Assuming they were plastic you'de see a lot more of them.

Malorian
21-11-2007, 21:41
It always sucks to have a great unit that no one takes just because it's too costly $ wise... oh well...

Gorbad Ironclaw
21-11-2007, 22:02
It's not really the cost of the models. I got two big units of Elite infantry, it's more that I don't see any reason to. At 10 points a model, I could get an executioner for just a single point more. And 2 str 3 attacks just doesn't hit that hard in combat. There problem is that if you want cheap block troops warriors are better, if you want combat infantry Executioners and Witch Elves are better, for not that many more points. Yes, they do have a 4+ save vs. shooting, but I think they really struggle for a real role in the army.

Makaber
22-11-2007, 03:06
Well, people used to take Corsairs all the time, back when Spearmen was overpriced. At the time, they presented the best option for infantry. Then Spearmen got their price drop in the revision, and suddenly, Corsairs didn't seem such a good deal anymore. They're both 5+ save infantry with (what amounts to) two attacks each, and their differences (4+ save against shooting and a base A2 vs. fighting in 2 ranks and possibility of 4+ armour save) more or less even out, so the Spearmen comes out ahead due to lower points cost and miniature expense.

But by all means, Corsairs aren't bad troops per se.

nikkcookie
22-11-2007, 03:19
alot of armies have that type of unit but its just too costly to play them money wise (unless your a hard out fan of that army) ive seen my share of corsair units ..... honestly it gives me as much satisfaction when there dead as when ive crushed a unit of spearmen. i know they dont play a big role in the DE army.

Makaber
22-11-2007, 12:56
honestly it gives me as much satisfaction when there dead as when ive crushed a unit of spearmen. i know they dont play a big role in the DE army.

Wow, you rock.

kingpinuk24
23-11-2007, 15:20
the only reasin is the points factor for most darkelf players as ive got over 80 corsairs for gaming till spearelf's came down in points now there not realy worth usimng in competive games when for 8 points you can get spear elf and 10 points for a corsair with just 4+ against range weapons and in close combat exactly the same profile and attacks its just not worth it save the points and get somthing worth geting like witch elves:skull::chrome:

Holy Crap! Manticores!
24-11-2007, 10:08
I've never seen any ones use them but they look cool and their sats seem good on paper.

Am I missing something?1. With the expensive elites, most players bring minimal Core for shooting support. This means RxB Warriors and Dark Riders (with RxB's.)

2. As mentioned, metal models, menaing $$$ for Core.

3. Their stats aren't that good on paper.

That said, I bring them somewaht regularly. Two primary purposes. Missile screening and static CR.

For missile screening, I'll bring a unit of 15 (no command)and deploy them 15 wide in front of some Witches. Not only does this keep the Witches from getting shot up by ground-level missile troops, but it also blocks LoS for compulsary charges I might not want them to make. They are pretty resilient to shooting, and if they do flee, the Frenzied Witches don't care about that kind of thing.

For static CR, I bring 24 with FC and the Warbanner, and let them escort a Noble or Sorc. Again, being resilient to shooting, they either get into combat with two or three ranks, or my opponent has invested a lot of shooting to kill that many of them. Assuming two ranks and no flankers, that's 2(r) +1 (sb) +1 (warbanner)= 4 CR before combat has started. Not a bad start, and if the unit actauly kills people, my opponent's in trouble. For some real nastiness, I like to hide an tooled up Assassin on occasion.

Good unit, but not great.

Grinloc
24-11-2007, 20:43
One thing about assassins i've experienced so far:
My opponents don't expect them being hidden in a corsairs unit.
They often expect them in a unit of witches, as a tool to prevent the naked ladies from being slaughtered when charged by nasty units.

Often enough hiding in corsairs will take your opponent by surprise, up to 6 attacks coming from just one guy in there turns your otherwise average corsairs into a nasty unit.

Makarion
24-11-2007, 22:55
Why would anyone deal with dark elves in melee, anyway? They are easily shot to half their unit size before engaging by most armies, at which point all the assassins in the world cannot save it.

If my opponent were to pack assassins instead of more levels of magic user (or a BSB), I'd feel pretty sure of a victory. They are a huge waste of points compared to just adding models to the unit they are hiding in, or adding an extra unit of dark riders for flank / harasment attacks.

Shank
25-11-2007, 03:55
For me, I always choose a unit of Corsairs over there buddies the SpearElves. Sure they are a few points more but they do a few things a little better. 1- they have a better save against shooting, 2- they can take a magic banner 3- they have 2 attacks all the time and are much more offensive rather than defensive. You can use their above average movement to get the charge on other infantry. Movement with the SpearElves is wasted because in order to get those extra ranks to attack, you need to get charged. And we all know with T3 and a 5 armor save, Dark Elves do not stand up well to a charge (against anything).
But all this talk really doesn't matter. Neither units are all that good compared to the High Elves core or really any other core unit in the game right now. My Dark Elves will wait in storage till the new book. Then, Watch Out!!

Luisjoey
25-11-2007, 03:58
Good reason for make them plastic for the new DE rulebook :D