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ThousandPlateaus
25-11-2007, 20:57
I keep forgetting that this is due for release in February but the news has me very excited; I've been waiting for a good 40k rpg for decades.

Is there already a Warseer discussion about it anywhere? I can't seem to find one anywhere. Surely there must be some buzz about the product about?

*Especially because of this:http://www.blackindustries.com/?template=40K&content=40K-dh-rulebook-ce

Permanganate
25-11-2007, 21:18
Oddly, there isn't any buzz about it, AFAIK. There have been a few short threads, but probably less than 60 posts overall. Hopefully there will be more when it comes out, because it looks mildly interesting - and I've never played a P&P RPG.

ThousandPlateaus
25-11-2007, 21:52
I'm really looking forward to it, even just the artwork and amount of detail will be enough for me without actually playing it (which I do also hope to do at some point). It should be a sumptuous tome. I can't quite understand why there's not much clamour on here.

Templar Ben
26-11-2007, 00:45
Because GW isn't really trying to market this. I know they want to keep their focus on the minis since they pay the bills but this will be a game that is a sop to the faithful when it could be an avenue to bring more people in.

Hellebore
26-11-2007, 00:59
It's being advertised in the RPG scene, but not anywhere else. They are running demos at various Cons around the place, and expounding its virtues through RPG fansites etc.

Why would we see it being advertised anywhere else?

Hellebore

brother malthius
26-11-2007, 03:05
Why would we see it being advertised anywhere else?
Hellebore

Probably they are afraid those of us in the know will find out the rules are written by Gav or Jervis or someone equally as *ahem* talented.

yabbadabba
26-11-2007, 09:29
Nice and balanced approach there - shoot it down before you have even looked at it :rolleyes:

Saw it at Games Day. I am looking forward to getting my hands on it. What will be more enticing for me is the support it gets over the coming years - supplements e.t.c.

ThousandPlateaus
26-11-2007, 10:27
Nice and balanced approach there - shoot it down before you have even looked at it :rolleyes:

Saw it at Games Day. I am looking forward to getting my hands on it. What will be more enticing for me is the support it gets over the coming years - supplements e.t.c.

Yeah, exactly - and if WFRP is anything to go by, there should be tonnes of support and fluff for 40krpg.

Dragonlover
26-11-2007, 13:52
OMG I want the Collectors rulebook, but I'm not gonna have the cash for it. It might get a mention in WD closer to release, I seem to remember they used to put the WFRP books in 'this months releases', but I could be wrong.

Dragonlover

leonmallett
26-11-2007, 14:58
Probably they are afraid those of us in the know will find out the rules are written by Gav or Jervis or someone equally as *ahem* talented.

...in your view.

:eyebrows:

Some of us like their work and contribution to thw GW hobby.

As for the writing/design: probably down to Green Ronin who did the recent WFRP update.

Agrip. Varenus Denter
26-11-2007, 15:16
...in your view.

:eyebrows:

Some of us like their work and contribution to the GW hobby.

QFT and Ditto and all that.

I was hoping that it was them... but I'm guessing we'd have heard already if it was.

Brother Loki
26-11-2007, 15:17
It's written primarily by T S Luikart, who's done quite a bit of WFRP stuff and a variety of D20 books for Green Ronin. There are plenty of others involved, but he's the lead designer. He's a pretty active poster on the BI forums.

I must say, I am rather drooling at the prospect of the limited edition rulebook - but I don't know how I could possibly justify spending 65 on a book that's likely to see heavy use, and get passed around a lot.

And can we please have a thread without people slagging off Gav and Jervis?

leonmallett
26-11-2007, 15:29
It's written primarily by T S Luikart, who's done quite a bit of WFRP stuff and a variety of D20 books for Green Ronin. There are plenty of others involved, but he's the lead designer. He's a pretty active poster on the BI forums.

I must say, I am rather drooling at the prospect of the limited edition rulebook - but I don't know how I could possibly justify spending 65 on a book that's likely to see heavy use, and get passed around a lot.

Maybe buy a 'regular' gaming copy (okay cash outlay racks up then!)? What is the LE - any details?


And can we please have a thread without people slagging off Gav and Jervis?

Agreed.

Hellebore
26-11-2007, 16:16
Yeah, exactly - and if WFRP is anything to go by, there should be tonnes of support and fluff for 40krpg.

You mean like this (http://www.blackindustries.com/?template=CX&content=calixis-index) - an entire sector described?

Or that the briefly mentioned planets in the list are going to be up for fan submission? (http://www.blackindustries.com/?template=CX&content=calixis-submit-planet)

(10 planets were up for all of ~3 days before they had to take the form down due to an inundation of submissions).:cool:

Yeah, I think this is going to be good.

Hellebore

Lastman
26-11-2007, 16:31
This might be the RPG of my dreams, if I dreamt of RPGs.

I've got to finish grinding out my army before I delve into the RPG. Seems like perfect synergy.

http://www.blackindustries.com/?template=CX&content=calixis-index

Emperor's Grace
26-11-2007, 16:34
Because GW isn't really trying to market this.


It's being advertised in the RPG scene, but not anywhere else. They are running demos at various Cons around the place, and expounding its virtues through RPG fansites etc.

Why would we see it being advertised anywhere else?

Hellebore

Actually, my FLGS had booklets with an intro and sample adventure (against a Nurgle demon). The booklet was about half the size and twice as thick as most comic books. The booklets were on the shelf next to the WD's third or fourth week of October. I managed one, but they seemed to be going fast.

@ Hellebore - Cross promotion is good. I wasn't a mini gamer until some of my P+P RPG buddies thought that it would be cool to get mini's to represent our heroes. That started me on a road (14 yrs ago) that lead me to GW (10 yrs ago and going).

Hellebore
26-11-2007, 16:40
That would be shattered hopes - you can download it from the BI website if you want a copy.

Cross promotion is ok, but I think GW wants its divisions to concentrate on the areas they specialise in, rather than drifting across others.

I have no doubt that WD will have a news feature about its release either just before or after it comes out.

Hellebore

brother malthius
26-11-2007, 18:02
...in your view.

:eyebrows:

Some of us like their work and contribution to thw GW hobby.

As for the writing/design: probably down to Green Ronin who did the recent WFRP update.

I don't doubt that the fluff will be interesting, and a great read. I'm still likely to think about picking this up myself.
But I have to worry, given the sloppyness of some of the rules lately, and the lack of extensive playtesting, that the rules may be sub-par. Also, how much is it going to be? Is it going to follow the usual GW pricey-ness and be $50 for the CRB? Then expansions?
I don't know the answers to all of this. Just things to think about.

ThousandPlateaus
26-11-2007, 18:16
In the UK the core rules will be 35, and given it's size, that's a very good price, so I expect it to be US$50, yes.
As for playtesting, afaik, the rules are pretty identical to the most recent WHFRP which has been very well received.

Emperor's Grace
26-11-2007, 18:44
That would be shattered hopes - you can download it from the BI website if you want a copy.

That's the one! I couldn't remember the title for the life of me.

I've got one in paper.

Wasn't aware that it was available otherwise.

Maybe I'll save the paper copy for the collection and get the e-file for use when my group wants a read. :p

leonmallett
26-11-2007, 19:51
I don't doubt that the fluff will be interesting, and a great read. I'm still likely to think about picking this up myself.
But I have to worry, given the sloppyness of some of the rules lately, and the lack of extensive playtesting, that the rules may be sub-par. Also, how much is it going to be? Is it going to follow the usual GW pricey-ness and be $50 for the CRB? Then expansions?
I don't know the answers to all of this. Just things to think about.

Green Ronin sloppy or GW? In rpg terms, Green Ronin have always seemed to strive for cohesive and elegant design in my view, so I wouldn't worry.

As for GW sloppiness - I think things are far tighter than in the worst excesses of 3rd edition WH40K.

RobC
27-11-2007, 14:38
You're best off treating BLP and GW as separate entities when it comes to product – they work as independent companies when it comes to most things, so making blanket statements about the rules quality of GW releases means little to nothing on BLP releases.

Having seen the finished rulebook I can confirm that it looks gorgeous. Those of you who can't afford the limited edition can rest assured that the 'normal' edition is rather luscious as it is!