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RUSSADER
28-11-2007, 01:29
What are/were the squats?

I know this has to be an embarrassing question, but if I donít ask I fear Iíll never know.

I come from a heavy Chaos back ground and know only little bits of other armies fluff. Iíve been in the game since 2000 and around it since 1996 but nobody ever brought a squat army into our local store. I see it referred to ocassionally, but donít even know if they were an army of their own or part of another army.

Sorry I guess I just donít know squat.

Can anyone enlighten me.

Lycannus
28-11-2007, 01:33
they were abhumans from a heavy grav world
think Dwarves in space
the army was like what what happen if you mixed Spacemarines and guard
but they got eaten by the 'nids

Lycannus
28-11-2007, 01:35
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squats_(Warhammer_40,000)

is pretty accurate

Agrip. Varenus Denter
28-11-2007, 04:47
This thread (http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46402) may also give you some insight into the late space dwarfs.

Qualdinesh
28-11-2007, 05:39
Thats what I like about this forum, you can ask anything without being worried about being called names and everyone is so helpful.

Squats are just like the others said, Space dwarves. They have some really neat fluff and such. The wikipedia link is a great source too.

Luisjoey
28-11-2007, 05:48
Poor space dwarves :(

Their background was cool :D

Jester Boy
28-11-2007, 06:27
Ross had a nice little army of them. There is a project log of his somewhere on here. I'll go look now...


Here it is http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77633

Darnok
28-11-2007, 07:40
The day has come: there is somebody not knowing the Squats anymore. :cries:

Gorbad Ironclaw
28-11-2007, 07:53
Not much to know. They made an interesting army in Epic, never were all that good as a 40k army tho.

Vaktathi
28-11-2007, 08:01
Don't talk about Squats! GW made them into the new Candlejack, talking about them makes you disapp

pookie
28-11-2007, 08:08
The day has come: there is somebody not knowing the Squats anymore. :cries:

Aye Tis a sad day ( im feeling OLD) :cries:

forthegloryofkazadekrund
28-11-2007, 08:13
ive done a search and cant find a great deal on here but does anyone know of a good up to date site with a good squat army list for the current edition

thanks

EldarWolf
28-11-2007, 09:52
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squats_(Warhammer_40,000)

is pretty accurate

But leads to a blank page now, try this one
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squat_%28Warhammer_40%2C000%29

Captain Micha
28-11-2007, 12:30
Squats were space dwarves. Apparently Gw felt they were naff or had diseases or gave their players diseases. (Which I have to say given the foaming at the mouth love some of these old timers have of them, there might be some credit to that last part)

They basically were space dwarves. I'm not all that familiar with them but from the one novel I read that had squats in it, I wasn't all that impressed with them. I did however like how they thought the mechanicus was just full of religious tards.

If it makes any of you old farts feel better, I've only been playing for a couple of years *L*

Ghudra
28-11-2007, 12:59
They were sort of mini-Norse biker guys with a love for SUPER super heavy vehicles & gigantic artillery.

They made the jump from WFB to the fledgling 40K game along with orcs, halflings, elfses, slann, ogres, goblins, zoats, & beastmen. Quite a few of the latter suffered the same fate as the Squats as 40K severed it's ties with WFB and became it's own game.

*derail*
The real question is, now that dark elfs and undead have made the leap to 40K, where are the Space Skaven?!

Gen.Steiner
28-11-2007, 13:09
The real question is, now that dark elfs and undead have made the leap to 40K, where are the Space Skaven?!

They're either the Hrud or the Nicassar.

FruitSmack!
28-11-2007, 13:43
The Hrud seem similar to Space Rats.

I never really liked the Squats as "space dwarf, Norse, biker gang". I hope that if they ever expand on the Demiurge, they make them unique, not just Dwarfs in space.

aaron

Gen.Steiner
28-11-2007, 13:53
I never really liked the Squats as "space dwarf, Norse, biker gang". I hope that if they ever expand on the Demiurge, they make them unique, not just Dwarfs in space.

aaron

There are two threads on Warseer about that very topic; the Warseer-Squat is known as the Varyngr, Varingyr, or Varingr depending on who you ask. See here (http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46402) for more info.

FruitSmack!
28-11-2007, 14:03
Very cool! Thanks for the link General!

aaron

Gen.Steiner
28-11-2007, 14:06
Any time. Even if you are an anti-2nd Ed heretic. ;)

FruitSmack!
28-11-2007, 14:11
Heh, remember, even the Imperial Cult started small and look where it is now! :p

aaron

Emperor's Grace
28-11-2007, 14:13
They're either the Hrud or the Nicassar.

Hrud.

Nicassar resemble polar bears, if memory serves.

Gen.Steiner
28-11-2007, 14:13
Smaller than the Official Church of the Burnt Biscuit? ;) :p

Each to their own. It'd be good to see official Squats or Squatalikes from GW, but until then the Varingr mercenaries in my Tau army are good enough for me.

ChaosMaster
28-11-2007, 14:23
There should be an FAQ about Squats on every 40K forum. This question comes up repeatedly and often in probably every 40K forum. When GW had their own online forum, I used to see a new post with this exact question at least once or twice a week.

I sold my last Squat model at the GW Battle Bunker Bizarre Bazaar back in late May 2007. I'm off Squats for good. Squats are right out. :D

Gen.Steiner
28-11-2007, 14:25
Bring back the Squats, that's what I say. And the Zoats while you're at it. Oh, and some Cult lists would be cool too. And maybe... then... and... also... :p

FruitSmack!
28-11-2007, 14:26
Nicassar resemble polar bears, if memory serves.

I could get behind this. That. Would. Be. Awesome.

So awesome in fact, I might go pick up a block of green stuff from the plumbing store and get cracking on a sculpt of one. :D

aaron

FruitSmack!
28-11-2007, 14:27
Bring back the Squats, that's what I say. And the Zoats while you're at it. Oh, and some Cult lists would be cool too. And maybe... then... and... also... :p

I'd really like to see the Genestealer Cults back. They'd actually fit in well with the current background tone, honestly.

aaron

ChaosMaster
28-11-2007, 14:29
Bring back the Squats, that's what I say. And the Zoats while you're at it.
I also sold my Zoats at the last Battle Bunker flea market. Zoats are also right out! It's a Zoat free zone from now on. :cool:

Ddraiglais
28-11-2007, 14:30
To answer one of your questions, the Squats were both their own army and part of another army. Fluff wise, most of their worlds were independent from the Imperium. However, some were a part of the Imperium. In 2nd ed there wasn't a FOC. You could take up to a certain percentage of points in troops, characters, and support. Support also meant allies. Imperial armies could take Squat allies. If I'm remembering any of this incorrectly, somebody please say so. It's been a while since 2nd.

As others have said, Squats really came into their own in Epic. They had huge land trains, the biggest cannon I've ever seen anyone field (goliath), and some other cool toys. They also had Imperial super heavies and regular tanks. They had a terminator equivelent in both Epic and 40K. They were pretty cool in 40K and way cool in Epic.

I miss the Squats and am half tempted to do an army of them for Apocalypse. Apocalypse is the only place you could really do them. You'd have to take (counts as) Ork bikers, land raiders, chimeras, rhinos, IG artillery (especially thudd guns), some super heavies, some IG tanks, (counts as) terminators, tons of heavy weapons teams... am I missing anything?

Gen.Steiner
28-11-2007, 14:31
Nicassar resemble polar bears, if memory serves.

Where's that from? Seriously, I've never seen them described at all anywhere..!


I'd really like to see the Genestealer Cults back.

So would I. Half-breeds and Genestealers and PDF and and and :D


I also sold my Zoats at the last Battle Bunker flea market. Zoats are also right out! It's a Zoat free zone from now on. :cool:

:cries:

Grimtuff
28-11-2007, 14:44
Where's that from? Seriously, I've never seen them described at all anywhere..!


I believe it was a quote from Andy Hoare on the Fanatic forums. He said they we're "giant psychic Polar Bears" more an explanation as to why you would not see them on the 40k battlefield as they're physically weak.

Gen.Steiner
28-11-2007, 14:46
Ahhh. OK. Would be interesting to see them in Codex: Xeno Hunters if it ever appears. :p

FruitSmack!
28-11-2007, 15:05
I believe it was a quote from Andy Hoare on the Fanatic forums. He said they we're "giant psychic Polar Bears" more an explanation as to why you would not see them on the 40k battlefield as they're physically weak.

Pft! Nuts to this!

Why go through the coolness of having psychic polar bears if they suck at dismembering things!? They're POLAR BEARS for God's sake!

Mark my words, I'll make a Nicassar and it will be bad ass. No wimpy, skinny bear xenos for me.

aaron

Gen.Steiner
28-11-2007, 15:07
They're POLAR BEARS for God's sake!

No, they just look like them. Appearance does not equal function - otherwise people would seriously fear the three-toed sloth's claws. :p

FruitSmack!
28-11-2007, 15:14
No, they just look like them. Appearance does not equal function - otherwise people would seriously fear the three-toed sloth's claws. :p

What if it was a Giant Ground Sloth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_Sloth)? I'd seriously fear that big boy. ;)

Maybe I'll sculpt up two Nicassar; one skinny and brainy, and one big and killy (but still brainy) and see which looks better.

aaron

FruitSmack!
28-11-2007, 15:44
Also, did you see that the Bell of Lost Souls (http://belloflostsouls.blogspot.com/) is going to be doing some mini-dexes and one will be the Genestealer Cult?

Looking at the quality of their Warhammer 30k supplement and their Apocalypse Datafaxes, this will probably be a fun and well made little set of rules; even if they'd only be usable for friendly games.

aaron

BrotherAdso
28-11-2007, 15:53
Woop! Nicassar mis-information alert!

Hoare's quote there actually said "They might as well look like giant polar bears for all we know". It was an offhanded comment, intended as a silly way to illustrate how little work had been done on them, and how open they were to development. I love the idea of the Nicassar as physically weak / psychically strong. Their appearance could fill a gap we have in 40k at the moment for something ethereal-looking...I've always imagined the Nicassar as looking like large flying-squirrels or marmosets or praire dogs....

....THAT CAN KILL WITH THEIR EYES.

Way cooler than space dwarves. Or maybe that's just me. <chuckle>.

-Adso

Ghudra
28-11-2007, 16:08
Also, did you see that the Bell of Lost Souls (http://belloflostsouls.blogspot.com/) is going to be doing some mini-dexes and one will be the Genestealer Cult?

Tim Huckelbery already has a dex at http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/GenestealerCults/ . From the sound of things, I doubt we will ever see a true Cult dex and most will probably continue using LaTD lists with "counts as" models.

Oddly enough, my old discontinued Squat models live on somewhat in my discontinued Genestealer Cult. :D

FruitSmack!
28-11-2007, 16:15
Tim Huckelbery already has a dex at http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/GenestealerCults/ . From the sound of things, I doubt we will ever see a true Cult dex and most will probably continue using LaTD lists with "counts as" models.

Oddly enough, my old discontinued Squat models live on somewhat in my discontinued Genestealer Cult. :D

I've seen that one before. Not bad. I'm curious to see how the guys at BoLSs' take is. I really enjoyed their Age of Heresy and Apocalypse Datafax.

aaron

Coragus
28-11-2007, 16:34
I loved Squats. It was legal to give every non-character model a heavy weapon. Imperial Guard? Big deal!

During 2nd edition, Squats were great if facing an enemy that might have a Polymorphine-equipped assassin. Polymorphine couldn't be used on a model carrying a heavy weapon or riding a bike. I finished 2nd in a tourny with a build very similar to this. I had 6 models that DIDN'T carry a heavy weapon, and one of those models was a Rhino.

Duluoz
28-11-2007, 17:19
http://web.archive.org/web/20060129002420/http://forums.specialist-games.com/epic/forum_b/topic.asp?ARCHIVE=true&TOPIC_ID=2532&whichpage=3 that's an explaination on why they're not around no more(scroll down) by Jervis Johnson.

Wintermute
28-11-2007, 18:15
I'm moving this thread to 40K Background.

Wintermute
The WarSeer Inquisition

Emperor's Grace
28-11-2007, 20:00
Where's that from? Seriously, I've never seen them described at all anywhere..!


I believe it was a quote from Andy Hoare on the Fanatic forums. He said they we're "giant psychic Polar Bears" more an explanation as to why you would not see them on the 40k battlefield as they're physically weak.


Maybe I'll sculpt up two Nicassar; one skinny and brainy, and one big and killy (but still brainy) and see which looks better.

Actually, I seem to remember it being in a BFG article (maybe on the Dhows?). (I don’t read the Fanatic Forums).

They were described as resembling (not being) polar bears in appearance with very powerful psychic abilities. And as pacifistic explorers with a kind of slow paced outlook - hence never appearing on the table. The Tau provide defense in exchange for transport and data from the explorations (stellar maps, etc...).