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Wez
16-09-2005, 14:24
I've got too much free time and winter is approaching fast! Unfortunately, I can't hibernate, so I want to do the next best thing and get sucked into a game for the crap season.:)

I'm looking for a game where you command an Empire. I don't want a game where you specifically build houses and such, but rather one where you control a whole county/country that expands and eventually conquers the neighbours. Think along the lines of "Risk 2", but I'd want it to be much more in depth. If possible, it should be on earth and shouldn't be sci-fi. I don't mind mythical monsters and such, but I want humans and empire expansion to be the main part of the game. Any suggestions?

Thanks in advance.

-Wez

hairyman
16-09-2005, 14:29
Europa Universalis 2 is what you're after. Steep learning curve, but absolutely brilliant. Try the grand campaign with England, Denmark, France or the Ottoman Empire for a good game first time out. Deep, complex empire building with an amazingly accurate historical backdrop. You will lose days to this if you get into it.

Alternatively Warlords 4 or any of the Total War series might float your boat, although neither really match what you're after (Warlords 4 doesn't have the re-playability to last all winter, either).

Son of Morkai
16-09-2005, 15:00
It's on a much smaller scale (a couple of countries, not the whole world), but I enjoy Lords of the Realm II and III.

Also, there is the Heroes of Might and Magic series, which has serious replay value and very long games. I've only played Heroes 3, but highly recommend it.

ScouserInExile
16-09-2005, 15:44
I've got too much free time and winter is approaching fast! Unfortunately, I can't hibernate, so I want to do the next best thing and get sucked into a game for the crap season.:)

I'm looking for a game where you command an Empire. I don't want a game where you specifically build houses and such, but rather one where you control a whole county/country that expands and eventually conquers the neighbours. Think along the lines of "Risk 2", but I'd want it to be much more in depth. If possible, it should be on earth and shouldn't be sci-fi. I don't mind mythical monsters and such, but I want humans and empire expansion to be the main part of the game. Any suggestions?

Thanks in advance.

-Wez

Pick up one of the Civilisation games, that sounds exactly like what you are talking about.

hairyman
16-09-2005, 15:49
^ = very good call, if you haven't played them already. If you get the latest one, it's worth getting the expansion as well.

Isn't there a new civ out soon?

ScouserInExile
16-09-2005, 15:50
Yup. Civ IV (cIV?)

New Cult King
16-09-2005, 15:59
Medieval: Total War sounds much like that... Bit much for me to get into though :(

pnweerar
16-09-2005, 16:46
You want to try any of the "Disciples" games, from Ubisoft I believe.

Stunningly beautiful art, and its mostly (all?) 2D so its light on your computer system.

The best fantasy empire builder game I've ever played -- the focus is on heroic characters and their warbands, and building maintenance issues are extremely low.

Navin

Oldbury
16-09-2005, 16:51
if you like Europa Universalis then give Hearts of Iron a try a damn good game

Regards Oldbury

Wez
16-09-2005, 16:55
Thanks for info.


Europa Universalis 2 is what you're after. Steep learning curve, but absolutely brilliant. Try the grand campaign with England, Denmark, France or the Ottoman Empire for a good game first time out. Deep, complex empire building with an amazingly accurate historical backdrop. You will lose days to this if you get into it.
This looks very promising.:) What about "Europa Universalis: Crown of the North"? Any idea if that's any good?


Alternatively Warlords 4 or any of the Total War series might float your boat, although neither really match what you're after (Warlords 4 doesn't have the re-playability to last all winter, either).

I've heard good things about Rome: Total War. I don't really know much about it though.


It's on a much smaller scale (a couple of countries, not the whole world), but I enjoy Lords of the Realm II and III.
The google results look good.


Also, there is the Heroes of Might and Magic series, which has serious replay value and very long games. I've only played Heroes 3, but highly recommend it.

Googling it, it looks ok, but nothing great.


Pick up one of the Civilisation games, that sounds exactly like what you are talking about.
From memory, aren't they more about building than controlling a country?

Any idea where I can get online demos for these games?

-Wez

TenTailedCat
16-09-2005, 17:00
The Total War games are very good, but they tend to be geared towards the battles, with territory mainly serving as somewhere to build troops and something to fight over, rather than having to do much actual management.

The CIV games are the best, CIV III has quite a detailed politics and negotiation system, there is plemty or moving around and building stuff, but generally you can delegate tasks or get advice from your advisors so that part is easy enough.

Archaon
16-09-2005, 17:31
I'd recommend Hearts of Iron 2.. worldwide WW2 strategy game. You can basically play any nation and try to dominate the world or special scenarios and famous campaigns.

Technically it is a old school game.. no flashy graphics, very detailed and complicated but much fun (it even runs on the ancient computer of one of my friends)

Cheesejoff
16-09-2005, 17:38
Rome Total War is very good but mainly battle-based. Civ III is also a supoerb game but base much more on building and growing your Empire. So it depends what you want really.

StugMeister
16-09-2005, 17:41
I'd gor for CivIII, or Hearts of Iron (WWII based) perhaps?

Wraith
16-09-2005, 19:09
I'm awaiting the release of Black & White 2, it is fairly different from it's predecessor -- you can have (basic) but huge armies (no population limit) with soldiers, archers, catapults, very cool and dynamic cities. Your units gain experience, and can differ massively -- Japanese, Norse, Greek, Aztec, and I think Egyptian are in each with their own buildings and soldier models (think samurai armies with katanas and back flags, and norse warriors with axes and wolf furs etc :D ).

The only cap on troops as before mentioned is how many people are in your town(s) and with the physics system and miracles you can set up strategic traps etc like boulders on hills that can be set alight and sent rolling into enemy formations.

You can also 'conquor' peacfully via making a city so big and desireable the population of other god's towns leave to come live in yours, you can trade, and even build huge defensive walls to protect against other war like tribes..

The monster element is in with the reworked 'creatures' which are much more of a 'uber unit' than a 'pet' that needs constant attention. Your followers are actually are less 'needy' this time and can get on with things themselves, they have for example the intelligence to only cut down mature trees allowing the young trees to mature and the forest to live on.

The only down side is the multiplayer element is not released within the game but rather will come along with a patch or maybe even an expansion.

I highly reccomend the game, it is perhaps one of the most beautiful games I've ever seen, the water, the islands, the weather, the transition from night to day, the epic sized battles, the creatures...

hairyman
16-09-2005, 20:40
What about "Europa Universalis: Crown of the North"? Any idea if that's any good?



Not as good at all. For some reason I never really got into the spin offs as much as the original game. EU2 should be pretty cheap now, it's an old game.

Civ is a bit more build and move and stuff.. for pure strategy and empire building you want EU (although it looks pretty pants.. all about the gameplay).

WLBjork
17-09-2005, 19:20
Not sure if anyone sells it now (the company that made it has closed), but you may want to look at SSI's Imperialism.

It was made around 95-98, not sure when.
It's turn based, and you fight to control counties, which are similar to countries in RISK.
The setting is roughly 18th-20th Century. Technology is purchased rather than researched.
However, you need to develop your resources by building railways, stations and ports to create a transport network. You also need to contol the workforce in your Capitol (who can be developed into Specialists [Miners, Engineers, Prospectors etc.] or Military [Light, Medium and Heavy Infantry, Light and Heavy Cavalry, Light and Heavy Artillery and Sappers]).
There is also a sequel, but that has a different style - it requires a lot more resource management.

Wez
17-09-2005, 19:39
Thanks again for info.

Any idea where I can best get "Europa Universalis 2"? None of the shops in town have it in new/2nd hand. I guess ebay's the answer, unless someone has a better idea?

-Wez

Sanjuro
18-09-2005, 09:53
Perhaps order it from the... whatchamacallit... oh yes, the Internet?

;)

Brimstone
18-09-2005, 10:31
Yup. Civ IV (cIV?)

Not until March next year according to Amazon :(

However this does mean that you can pick up Civ III cheaply.


From memory, aren't they more about building than controlling a country?

You do both, building your countries infrastructure allows you to control your country and make your armies more effective.


Any idea where I can get online demos for these games?

You can get a demo of Civ III here (http://downloads.gamezone.com/demos/d9479.htm) but there are other sites if this is too slow.

Shuya
18-09-2005, 11:32
Rome total war is good

You could wait for Black and White 2 i am :D

athamas
18-09-2005, 12:12
How about space empires...

the ones out currently are 2, 3 and 4, with 4 being the only one with any semblence of graphics...

its great fun for spending hours wasting time...

5 will be coming out soon, and looks very promising!

Wez
23-09-2005, 23:29
Back again. Thanks for all your input.

I've got Europa Universalis 2 and it's amazing.

Thanks again.

-Wez

chaos god
26-09-2005, 06:48
Get one of the Civilisation's games. You wont regret it.

hairyman
26-09-2005, 11:25
I've got Europa Universalis 2 and it's amazing.




:D

Glad you like it... which country have you gone with?

Wez
26-09-2005, 16:30
:D

Glad you like it... which country have you gone with?

The grand campaign with England.

I started with conquering Ireland (bar of course the capital, which afaik you can't control) and then moved onto Scotland, conquering all of that bar the capital. France then declared war on me... and now I control all of France bar the capital, along with all the Provence, Orleans bar the damn capitals. Next on the list of idiots to declare war on me were Castile, Portugal and Aragon. I made a peace with Castile and Portugal and currently the whole of Aragon is besieged by me. It's only 1463 as well.:p

I think after Aragon, I'll try and nab some of the North of Africa, so I've got some seaports to go after Eastern Europe with. I need to suck up to castile and Portugal for a while, so I've got allies against the Turks.

-Wez

hairyman
26-09-2005, 16:36
You can annex a whole country, they just have to have only one province. So, when your ceasefire with Ireland has elapsed, if you conquer them again you can choose to annex them completely, although this makes all the other countries hate you.

Good going on the war front, that's some progress! Dunno how much history you know, but you might want to slow down and consolidate before you get hit by the war of the roses.....

Watch out if your land empire gets too big as well. There's a random event called civil war (not a historical event) that it occasionally hits you with if you've got too big for your boots, and your inflation gets too high. I've had it with England and with Austria when I've ruled most of mainland Europe, and it's horrible. Truly painful, in fact.

salty
26-09-2005, 17:52
Try starting a Grand Campaign as Aragon, ally with England and invade France. I just took the whole of the French territories in the South of France, plus Friesen in Holland (EDIT: And now Toledo from Castile and all of the Kingdom of Naples) :D

Also, if you want a REALLY long campaign, buy Crusader Kings, EUII, Victoria: Empire Under the Sun and Hearts of Iron/Hearts of Iron II. Apparantly you can now patch all for games together, allowing you to play through from 1066 - 1945.

Salty :)

EDIT: You might also want to consider downloading the patches from here: www.europa-universalis.com. They really do add to the game, giving you all sorts of stuff such as rectified bugs in the system, new provinces, new events, new nations etc.

Wez
27-09-2005, 17:43
Thanks for info.

I've had the war of the roses by now but they didn't really do anything to me.

I was a bit worried about them, studying English and European history from the late 15th century to the beginning of the 17th century, but so far nothing that major has happened. France has somehow managed to get military land technology 5, despite only having 1 province and me investing nearly all my money in my land technology which rose by 1/3 the speed of France's... :wtf: Annexing France is out of the question anyway now; they've got 72 land units, packed into that one tiny territory.

I'm not sure what the reformation, counter-reformation and Napoleon are going to do to me, but I'm not looking forward to it.

@Salty: I have the 1.05 patch, but not the others... is it worth getting teh rest? The first few patches tend to be more important than the later ones.

-Wez

salty
27-09-2005, 21:51
Its especially important if you want to play Multiplayer games. Basically, the extra patches just change the odd thing, iron out slight wrongs etc. Not necessary, but it doesn't take much effort to download them anyway.

And yeah, everyone seems to get tech levels quicker in my games too. I think it is something to do with neighbour bonuses, but I am not sure.

Salty :)