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ReveredChaplainDrake
03-12-2007, 03:06
I've heard, and told, one too many "it's fun / not fun if..." rants lately. So I wanted to acutally ask the question. I'm sure that this has probably been asked before until you're sick of it, but with all the posts cropping up nowadays (frankly I'm glad I was out of Warseerville for when the infamous Eldar Falcon debate-thingy finally blew up...) I think we could use the refresher.

The question: What is fun for you in Warhammer 40k? Or, in any GW system for that matter?

For me, I see 40k for what it truly is: a tactical contest. I build one list, tailored to be theoretically omniflexible, and I use it against as many different armies as possible until I lose, and I don't change my list until somebody beats me. I want to see how long I can keep it up. It may sound boring as mud, but it makes for some great tactical countermeasure exercises versus certain army styles. My primary armies are Chaos and Tyranids, and right now my Chaos Marines are currently on their sixth win while my Tyranids are on hiatus. But unfortunately, the crowd of opponents has deteriorated after everybody that I used to play my Tyranids went back over into Fantasy, so the competition against my Chaos tends to be a bit hollow.

40k lends itself very well to exciting games, and I think this is even moreso than in Fantasy. In Fantasy, winning and losing has a snowball effect. Make just one minor mistake in Fantasy, like botching a charge, getting a miscast, or getting boxcars on a Panic Check for a combat that you lost by a Musician, and your chances of winning the game are pretty much tubed because if something goes wrong, you can't easily react to it. 40k has many options in movement, shooting, and assault, such that if something goes wrong, a pessimistic general who saw it coming will have a backup plan. So what if that Lascannon failed to knock around that Hammerhead? I'm sure glad I've got a spare Rocket Launcher.

Also, 40k puts you on an individual level with your models as you lovingly paint each and every one of them. As no two Chaos Marines ever seem to look alike (if assembled properly), this is perfect for them because you get to give every guy a personality that you can see in the game at a glance. ("Cool, it's that guy with the two Bolt Pistols! Hey buddy, how's war been treating ya'?") However, for Fantasy, you paint a Saurus Warrior or a Dark Elf Spearmen with the same loving effort only to basically set them aside to let the paint dry and wave goodbye because you'll never see that individual model again until and unless they break. Of course, the heroes are the exception, and I always make sure to go to town on them because they're the only poor guys I'll recognize. But when footblocks make up a good 3/4 of my collection (it's even worse for the Lizards), painting Fantasy models becomes a thankless chore sometimes. My Dark Elves are another exception, as I've moved on to a list of all RBTs, Crossbowmen, Chariots, Dark Riders, Caddies, and a Dragon Highborn, I haven't had to worry that much about blocks of folks on feet.

killa kan kaus
03-12-2007, 03:12
for the variety in game style and seeing those cool models and at the same time in a tactical contest

cuda1179
03-12-2007, 03:15
I think it is fun when crazy things happen. Like when you shoot a squad of chaos marines with lasguns and make them fail a moral test that makes them run off the board.

Other than that, when I am with CLOSE friends I like when we each try to cheese out our lists and tear eachother a new one to see who is the best.

JimmyP0567
03-12-2007, 03:16
I would say 'fun' in my eyes, is putting together, and running a House Campaign with my friends and I. Assuming that it doesn't get bogged down by Halo 3 or a trip to the park.

Repzik
03-12-2007, 03:49
I really really enjoy putting together the models, and painting them. its very relaxing. and as far as playing goes, i like to see a lasgun kill a flyrant, or a 12 man kroot squad run down a mob of 30 boys. i play 40k for those hilarious moments. i also have a group of about 30 friends at my gaming club. i dont even mind if i dont play or model the entier time while im there, i just enjoy talking to them about 40k.

Ronin_eX
03-12-2007, 04:22
Currently for me it is the background and the models. In a few weeks when I start completing my 2nd edition collection it will be playing the game. ;)

big squig
03-12-2007, 04:42
For me, it's playing an objective on a great table that has had a lot of work put into it with armies that look really great. We always take the time to plan out who is attacking who, if there needs to be any special terrain, and then build out armies to fit the scenario.

Rikens
03-12-2007, 04:45
Hanging out with my friends, pushing plastic around, and laughing about it.

Xenocidal Maniac
03-12-2007, 04:48
What is "fun" for me in 40k?

To crush my enemies. To see them driven before me. And to hear the lamentations of their women.

Sister_Sin
03-12-2007, 04:58
To spend time with like minded folk and friends, play a solid scifi game with outstanding background and story, chat, eat, and watch the weirdness that comes forth in every game.

Long as I have a good time, I win. Doesn't matter how the army does.

Sister Sin

fwacho
03-12-2007, 05:41
i get my kicks out of fighting from a losing position. the challenging games are my favorite. In fat whenever my win streaks start up I begin to worry. There is notign better than winnning a game with single squad left standing, or loosing becasue you oppoent does.

Agrip. Varenus Denter
03-12-2007, 05:44
Fun for me is buying, building / converting, painting, and immersing myself in the fluffy goodness that is Black Library. And I love victory.

What is victory? Is it to defeat your enemy on the field of battle? Is it to simply repulse his armies and slay his misguided warriors? No, this is only the very beginning!

True victory is to crush your foes utterly, to shatter his armored legions and run down his fleeing troops as they scatter. Pursue them to their lairs and burn them out. Burst into his unholy temples, smash down his icons and topple his foul idols. Burn his heretical works and leave no stone upon stone. Slaughter his followers, their families and their livestock lest any of their taint remain. And when that is done, put the ruins to the torch.

Any that have dealt with them or given them succor must be obliterated, for memory is insidious and though you have crushed their will and their bodies they may yet return. Send warrior scribes to excise the records of their name, expunge their deeds from the annals of history and remove even the memory of your foe's existence. Only then have you truly won.

This is the meaning of victory.

DEADMARSH
03-12-2007, 07:37
i get my kicks out of fighting from a losing position. the challenging games are my favorite. In fat whenever my win streaks start up I begin to worry. There is notign better than winnning a game with single squad left standing, or loosing becasue you oppoent does.

I'm the same way, man. Fun for me is when my Guardsmen get assaulted by CSMs and it doesn't result in a massacre.

To me, the best games I've played are when I'm losing after the first couple of turns, turn it around in turn 4, and end up winning.

The least fun games are when I massacre or get massacred. That's why I hate playing one-trick pony lists. Outcome regardless, I'm not having fun either way.

Nice topic, BTW. Cool to see something positive around here once in awhile.

Ronin_eX
03-12-2007, 08:42
What is "fun" for me in 40k?

To crush my enemies. To see them driven before me. And to hear the lamentations of their women.

I was wondering when that would come up. :p

Logarithm Udgaur
03-12-2007, 09:17
Crushing my enemies, driving their children before me and hearing the lamentations of their women. It really is that simple.

Chaos and Evil
03-12-2007, 09:44
For me, I see 40K for what it truly is: a tactical contest.

I find 40k fun because it largely lacks tactics (Other than a few obvious ones), and I can just roll loads of dice and relax to the sound of toy soldiers dying.

So 40k is fun because it is a cartoon-style game, where lots of crazy things happen.

MrBigMr
03-12-2007, 12:25
Background, modelling, fluffing, making armies that I'm free to make with the tools given to me, customization, playing friends, etc. I rarely win anyways (I've never been big on large scale tactical thinking), so I take my enjoyment from other aspects of the game. Maybe it's some childhood trauma when all my legos were given away without me even being consulted. Not I have to find new, more exiting legos to play with.

bram kuijpers
03-12-2007, 12:30
the fun?

painting : getting better at it and having something to do that doesnt have something to do with tv , games or porn

modeling : making your own special characters that you want to make

playing : getting to points like a gaurdsmen thats kiling a carnifex in close combat

and of course its just a game , nothing real about it

Easy E
03-12-2007, 12:32
I enjoy creating stories for/from my models and their battles.

Campaigns rule.

sigur
03-12-2007, 12:36
Well, I fully agree point to point with bram kuijpers and Chaos and Evil, I have to say. 40k hardly happens on a tactical level; to me, the best thing I can see on the tabletop is my little guardsmen running towards something that will probably kill them. And yet they run. Because I told them so. On a 28mm scale, I'm god, MUAHAHAHAHAHA.

...
:eyebrows:


40k is just plain, old fun. I really should have a game again now and then.

lordbeefy
03-12-2007, 12:47
Because I told them so. On a 28mm scale, I'm god, MUAHAHAHAHAHA.

hehehe....god complex...as good a reason as any

I agree with an earlier poster in that i like to fight that which cant be won. I love the hold out missions, or kill as much as you can before you die scenario. Very entertaining, great last stands, you know the sort of thing.

The fact that I can do this with an army I have designed, modelled, converted, made up fluff for and bought myself, is just the icing on the cake.

Its also a great mental escape from the monotony of real life.

RaGDoLLRaY
03-12-2007, 12:50
I just feel 40k has an outstanding amount of freedom more so than any of the other GW game. whether that you have to ability to redirect your mistake or just to have the ability to daristically change your army list depending of the events at hand.And in 40k no matter who you are there will be an army made for you

Dav0r
03-12-2007, 12:51
Khitan General: Wrong! Conan, what is best in life?
Conan: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women!
Khitan General: That is good.

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Conan_the_Barbarian

Ok, J/K ;)

Same as Bram Kuijpers and Easy E.

Chaos and Evil
03-12-2007, 13:02
I just feel 40k has an outstanding amount of freedom more so than any of the other GW game. whether that you have to ability to redirect your mistake or just to have the ability to daristically change your army list depending of the events at hand.And in 40k no matter who you are there will be an army made for you

How many GW games have you played?

chaotic
03-12-2007, 13:03
themed armies, being able to make a list that suits your choice of background

Ironhand
03-12-2007, 14:47
For me, fun in 40K is first and foremost getting together with my friends to play an enjoyable game. No rules lawyering, no super-cheesy armies - just a bunch of folks rolling dice and having a good time.

A close second is painting and modelling.

HughbertofKhorne
03-12-2007, 14:54
oooh fun.

my favourite games, are horde vs horde which take forever (getting really into apocalypse at the moment as it goes.) because half way through the game all your tactics have changed along with your army composition, mass slaughtering on all sides and *drools*

but yeah, for me. its lots of killing all the way. *thinks theres nothing better than flaming a guard squad*

nojinx
03-12-2007, 15:44
Outside of games, assembling models is great fun. I enjoy doing conversions.

My favorite games are those that are close and competitive. There is something to be said for seeing two fully painted armies on a table, but nothing is as important as a game being a well-matched contest.

ChaosMaster
03-12-2007, 15:57
The models are the thing that attracts me to the hobby. Assembling, converting and painting the already imaginative little sculptures into even more unique creations is what I enjoy the most. Seeing them on the table with nice scenery and someone else's unique army is also a lot of fun as it brings the figures to life. Friendly games with lots of action and memorable story-like moments is the next most fun thing about it for me. :cool:

What is not fun about it are the people who constantly look for tactical advantages by bending the rules, searching for loopholes or making things up and then saying they are legal because the rules don't mention it and therefore don't forbid it. Threads in the rules section of the forum give many examples of this type of cheating, such as the people arguing that you can move models under skimmers or avoid Chaos Dreadnought "Fire Frenzy" by firing the Dreadnought's smoke launchers. I've never seen such blatant examples of cheating and it's rotten behavior like that which ruins games for honest players every day all over the world. It's why many people, myself included, won't play "pick-up" games with strangers as you really don't know what you might be getting into. Some people twist the rules so much it's like they're playing a different game than the rest of us. :mad:

Skyth
03-12-2007, 16:03
Fun is taking two equal armies (Perferably two powerful armies as that's the easiest way to make them equal) against each other with someone who plays by the same rules as I do.

Cry of the Wind
03-12-2007, 16:12
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You have some interesting points there about the differences between Fantasy and 40k. I think we feel pretty much the same about those two games.

For me fun in 40k comes from finding some really cool looking models (or sometimes only one even) and then building a list around them. I play in a lot of tournaments so forgive me if the most fun I have in list desgin is making the army the most tricked out it can be with every point accounted for. The challenge of making a list like that is what fires me up to see the project to the end.

I also have a fondness for the background and will try to put that into the models as much as I can and to a lesser extent the army list itself. If I'm slowing down in the painting I'll write some background to bring my interest back up.

As for building and painting I must admit I hate the painting part. I love building and converting but the second primer hits a model I no longer want any part in it. Of course I'll never let anyone else paint them either because of my own personal pride at finishing the task.

The game itself is the most fun I have though by far. Generally I'll consider every move and placement as well as ponder target selection so as to make the best tactical decisions. Now that sounds like any other gamer and I'm sure most are like that too, but it is the making of those choices that I find the fun part of the game, only thing better is seeing the plans work out right in the end. Because I play mostly in tournaments this means that more often than not more thought needs to go into every move since I can't count on my opponent falling into my traps or having a poor army list. This challenge is what brings me back again and again.

For Fantasy just cut and paste ReveredChaplainDrake's comments. I don't have as much fun there simply because I've lost too many games or even won too many games on some random lucky dice roll.

Now what I find fun in Epic, BFG, Necromunda, Inquisitor, Aeronautica Imperialis, Warmaster, Warmachine and Battletech.... Well those are all closely related to my 40k answer just putting more focus on either models, background or gameplay depending on the system.

Imperialis_Dominatus
03-12-2007, 17:15
What is "fun" for me in 40k?

To crush my enemies. To see them driven before me. And to hear the lamentations of their women.

You, sir, win.


What is victory? Is it to defeat your enemy on the field of battle? Is it to simply repulse his armies and slay his misguided warriors? No, this is only the very beginning!

True victory is to crush your foes utterly, to shatter his armored legions and run down his fleeing troops as they scatter. Pursue them to their lairs and burn them out. Burst into his unholy temples, smash down his icons and topple his foul idols. Burn his heretical works and leave no stone upon stone. Slaughter his followers, their families and their livestock lest any of their taint remain. And when that is done, put the ruins to the torch.

Any that have dealt with them or given them succor must be obliterated, for memory is insidious and though you have crushed their will and their bodies they may yet return. Send warrior scribes to excise the records of their name, expunge their deeds from the annals of history and remove even the memory of your foe's existence. Only then have you truly won.

This is the meaning of victory.

I lost my third ed rulebook. :cries:


What is not fun about it are the people who constantly look for tactical advantages by bending the rules, searching for loopholes or making things up and then saying they are legal because the rules don't mention it and therefore don't forbid it. Threads in the rules section of the forum give many examples of this type of cheating, such as the people arguing that you can move models under skimmers or avoid Chaos Dreadnought "Fire Frenzy" by firing the Dreadnought's smoke launchers. I've never seen such blatant examples of cheating and it's rotten behavior like that which ruins games for honest players every day all over the world. It's why many people, myself included, won't play "pick-up" games with strangers as you really don't know what you might be getting into. Some people twist the rules so much it's like they're playing a different game than the rest of us. :mad:

Post about the Dread smoke launchers thing much? Don't worry, I agree, I've just seen this paragraph a few times today. ;)

SevenSins
03-12-2007, 19:47
modelling, painting and gaming. As well as spending time with like-minded people. Also fond of the background, although many of the novels are rather run-of-the-mill.

My personal highpoints has to be close-matched games and freak occurences

Zerosoul
03-12-2007, 21:01
How many GW games have you played?

Dude. We get it. Epic is awesome. Real Gamers play Specialist Games. Relax about it, will you?

As a general point I've seen a couple of times in this thread, it's kind of silly to say 40k doesn't have tactics. Of course it does. It's not the designers' fault that all anybody does is Seek and Destroy, which is precisely where 40k sucks the hardest.

What's fun in 40k is playing the game. Not sitting around on the forums complaining about how Falcons are overpowered or there are too many Assault Cannons or Marines wah wah wah wah. Not hitting the rules forum with your newest "Ah-HAH! Gotcha, GW!" moment. Not sitting around the army list forum or tactics forum and talking about how awesome your new army list is and nobody can ever beat it, or running the math to tell someone what an idiot they are for running Swooping Hawks instead of Warp Spiders or Banshees instead of Harlequins.

Nah, what's fun in 40k is the game. The fun, crazy stuff that can happen. The laughing about it with your buddies. Actually playing is what's fun in 40k, and that's precisely what people forget online all too often. What's not fun? Half of the Internet community.

The Guy
03-12-2007, 21:10
Saving up to buy the models
The anticipation in the car on the way to GW
Those precious few minutes I spend inside GW
The euphoria as I look what I got on the car ride home
Glueing them all together within the first hour of getting home
The excrutiatingly painful headache I get in the middle of the night from all those excess glue fumes
Painting them
End result
=Win

madden
03-12-2007, 21:27
The best fun is the wacky stuff that crops up now and then like 8 gaurdsmen killing 5 necron destroyers in the shooting phase and then getting hit by there own scattering battalcannon shot. Mainly it is the laughter and escapism of the hobby.

RaGDoLLRaY
03-12-2007, 22:03
How many GW games have you played?

I Play Blood bowl and dipped into fantasy a bit, but to better re-establish my reply I feel that i have more freedom with creating background fluff an creating a more specified army list. Thats my personal opinion it could be that I can't relate my-self so well to the fantasy. Also I could never get into the LOTR table top game.

Zanzibarthefirst
03-12-2007, 22:07
as long as I get a blanced game i'm good. If a game is one sided then its not very fun. Devastor gunline against necron warriors in combat patrol is not fun

rintinglen
03-12-2007, 22:16
The social interaction and the modeling aspects go hand in hand for me. Though in fairness to the truth, I spend alot more time modelling than I do playing. There is a bane blade on my bed right now that is calling my name.

kishvier
03-12-2007, 22:18
Saving up to buy the models
The anticipation in the car on the way to GW
Those precious few minutes I spend inside GW
The euphoria as I look what I got on the car ride home
Glueing them all together within the first hour of getting home
The excrutiatingly painful headache I get in the middle of the night from all those excess glue fumes
Painting them
End result
=Win

Amen, you said it!

JOBusse
03-12-2007, 22:18
For me, the best part about 40K is hanging with my friends once a week. We talk, laugh, play or watch a game, and get away from all those things in life that just aren't fun.

Secondly, it's getting to be creative, either in painting, army fluff, conversion, whatever. Getting a little right-brain time in is always fun.

kishvier
03-12-2007, 22:28
Really, besides the joy of a crushing win the most fun part is hanging out with friends.

Chaos and Evil
03-12-2007, 23:00
I Play Blood bowl and dipped into fantasy a bit, but to better re-establish my reply I feel that i have more freedom with creating background fluff an creating a more specified army list. Thats my personal opinion it could be that I can't relate my-self so well to the fantasy. Also I could never get into the LOTR table top game.

You don't rate Inquisitor?



Real Gamers play Specialist Games. Relax about it, will you?

*counts to ten obediently*

Lord Raneus
05-12-2007, 03:29
What is "fun" for me in 40k?

To crush my enemies. To see them driven before me. And to hear the lamentations of their women.

Sigged, could not resist.

Codsticker
05-12-2007, 05:30
Great terrain makes this game fun for me- the terrain and tables are what actually got me interested in the first place.

Burning Star IV
05-12-2007, 05:49
Painting, designing army lists, aesthetically pleasing battlefields, innovative tactical maneuvers, freak occurrences ( Hey, my fire warriors killed one of your terminators when you charged them! What fun!) assembling models, reading fluff, discussing fluff in-game, designing mission scenarios.......so....just about everything except for unpainted armies setting up on the field and boring army lists.

TheMartyr451
05-12-2007, 06:02
What is "fun" for me in 40k?

To crush my enemies. To see them driven before me. And to hear the lamentations of their women.

That is good. :D

One of the greatest, cheesiest movies ever.

Dr.Clock
05-12-2007, 06:07
what he said...

I can't really decide what I enjoy most... from the feeling of completing a squad to setting up the table (how to make my terrain collection look a liiiiitle different each time) to the rush of the turn three assault phase to the afterglow of either glorious victory or ignominious defeat, my 40k experience has never been richer.

Cheers,

The Good Doctor.

Sekhmet
05-12-2007, 07:05
Winning.

ibwaacer

shabbadoo
05-12-2007, 07:13
The background and models have always been fun for me. With regards to actually playing the game, battles that are linked through short story lines are my favorite thing.

The 2nd Edition "Storm of Vengeance" scenario pack is a good example of how to link a series of games. Map campaigns can be fun too when using the right set-up(the Vogen Campaign worked pretty well), but I have to put the linked battle story vignettes at the top of my list.

Cutty Sark
05-12-2007, 07:15
fun for me in 40k is all about having a good match. A good strategical match. I like to build strong lists, and see how long i can go without losing, lot of times i'll build a new list each week to challenge myself.

its a war game, i play for fun but i also play to win, the more challenging the opponent, the more fun the game

MadJackMcJack
05-12-2007, 07:36
What is "fun" for me in 40k?

To crush my enemies. To see them driven before me. And to hear the lamentations of their women.

Damnit, too late!

MuttMan
05-12-2007, 09:12
People expect too much when comming into a game. Or they dont know what they want as their reward source. Some people just go with the flow of their emotions during a game without paying attention. Getting all moody and pushy.

I say pay attention to yourself during the game, and make sure your being fair (socially) to your opponent(s). If your the anchor player, change your act!

To each their own, and to each their own devices make their own fun in their own ways.

For me, its challenging people who think they got a top notch army, and have a match to challenge their ideas, or their strategies to their fullest. Sometimes going out of my way to fluke their plans, even if it means exposing something vital, just to see if they can manage. Thats fun for me. Other then that, its the basic games that end up being close to a draw, at that point you know it was a good game.

I cant have fun if the other guy doesnt seem to be having fun though, I get a guilt feeling and ask him/her if he wants to restart or play someone else.

Besides all that, if I get a jerk gamer, I get irritated to the point of wanting to beat his army into the mud. (I powergame hard against those types) Just to show his 500 dollar army isnt what he bragged them to be. *snickers*

Kriegschmidt
05-12-2007, 09:21
Making up afterwards ;)