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NerdyOgre254
03-12-2007, 10:40
Hey all
Just having an eye-wander through GW's product range, and i realised that there are some really dumb sculpts in there. no offense to the people who sculpted them, but some just look plain silly.
For Example:
1. Vostroyans - The handles on their lasguns, and the size of the lasguns themselves. They don't have lasguns, they have 10ft poles and a lasgun on the end.
2. Eldar Jetbikes (the ones where they lean back) - my biggest problem here was the leather jackets :wtf: .
So what do you guys think?

Col.Gravis
03-12-2007, 10:48
Hey all
Just having an eye-wander through GW's product range, and i realised that there are some really dumb sculpts in there. no offense to the people who sculpted them, but some just look plain silly.
For Example:
1. Vostroyans - The handles on their lasguns, and the size of the lasguns themselves. They don't have lasguns, they have 10ft poles and a lasgun on the end.
So what do you guys think?

They're based roughly on historical troops, and the truth is historical rifles were often that long, by way of example the Long Land Brown Bess of 1722 was 62" (about 1.5meters) long WITHOUT a bayonet fitted, which was upto another 30" IIRC.

MrBigMr
03-12-2007, 12:28
For the Emperor, comrades.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/images/mosin-nagant-294145.jpg
Mosin-Nagant circa long time ago.

Easy E
03-12-2007, 12:35
I say that every time I finish sculpting one.

"What a stupid sculpt this is."

Fixer
03-12-2007, 12:38
Well, ignoring the very old sculpts which could be very silly (Marneus Calgar's concerned constipation pose http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=99060101292&orignav=9 ) there have been some very odd sculpts in recent times.

I think first and foremost, Captain Cortez. His poor proportioning compared to other regular marines and his disco pose just made him look terrible. Combined with the fact that he was also released at the same time as the awesome black templars champ to make him look even worse.

Afterwards, we also had the Melty faced power fist veteran from the box set.

After that, the happy-goofy models that were the Tyrant guard and Carnifex in 3rd Ed.

RampagingRavener
03-12-2007, 12:41
the happy-goofy models that were the Tyrant guard

Huh. And they're still better, albeit once you've swapped out the rubbish metal rending claw for a plastic one, than the tiny, stunted carapace-bulldogs that we get now.

I'm suprised that the old, metal possessed released for Medusa V havn't gotten a mention yet. Dayum, those things were nasty.

Captain Micha
03-12-2007, 12:43
The world was trying to forget those even existed man...

MrBigMr
03-12-2007, 12:45
The world was trying to forget those even existed man...
To forget, is to make the same mistakes again...

Dav0r
03-12-2007, 12:45
Marneus Calgar's concerned constipation pose http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=99060101292&orignav=9 )

Four letters : r, o, f and l. (just spilled my coffee all around) :D

Anyway, I'd never had begun a nid army before the latest edition of the carnifex and the zoanthrope. I don't like the old ones, at all.

RampagingRavener
03-12-2007, 12:47
Anyway, I'd never had begun a nid army before the latest edition of the carnifex and the zoanthrope. I don't like the old ones, at all.

Oddly enough, I can't stand any of the new metal Biovore (ugly sculpt), Zoanthrope (way too big and bulky for a frail Psychic bug), or Tyrant Gaurd (too small) models...mabey I'm just weird.

leonmallett
03-12-2007, 12:57
Putting aside sculpts regarded as bad (which is a different matter to those that seem silly or stupid), the silliest example I can think of is not a sculpt but a kit - the Land Raider Terminus Ultima with the rear guns with highly restricted field of fire.

bram kuijpers
03-12-2007, 13:00
while i was browsing through the clasic models i noticed that some clasics look WAAAAY better then the now a days models

like space wolf scouts link is here (http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=List_Models&code=301166&orignav=301117)

Captain Micha
03-12-2007, 13:07
To forget, is to make the same mistakes again...

Like the new daemonettes? *gags*

leonmallett
03-12-2007, 13:21
The new daemonettes may be better up close or when modelled than they at first appear. I'll reserve judgement on them until then. Are they 'stoopid', though?

EVIL INC
03-12-2007, 13:28
Nah, but you will always find someone who thinks any particuler model looks stupid.
My idea of a stupid sculpt is one where it wont stand up without weighting the base. In the fantasy range, it is those that wont stand up without a weighted base and wont line up in regiments because of overhang.
As a biker, I rather like the leather jackets. Probobly why I also liked the squat bikers. I was also rather fond of that old throne marneous model. (maybe I shouldnt have used the word "throne" ) Now, I will never look at it the same way again. Thanx.:p

Jedi152
03-12-2007, 13:32
Yes, i would define stupid as 'designed poorly' - like Evil says, fantasy models that don't rank up well leap to mind, namely clanrats and glade guard.

New Cult King
03-12-2007, 13:34
while i was browsing through the clasic models i noticed that some clasics look WAAAAY better then the now a days models

like space wolf scouts link is here (http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=List_Models&code=301166&orignav=301117)

Have you seen these in person?

*shudder*

Give me the plastic Scouts (and a knife to trim down their enormous jawlines) and the SW box set thingers anyday.

sigur
03-12-2007, 13:36
...
1. Vostroyans - The handles on their lasguns, and the size of the lasguns themselves. They don't have lasguns, they have 10ft poles and a lasgun on the end.

What Col.Gravis said. I prefer historically influenced IG to "sci-fi" one any day.



2. Eldar Jetbikes (the ones where they lean back) - my biggest problem here was the leather jackets :wtf: .

Aaaaalright...so leather jackets are stupid.....:eyebrows: What the hell is wrong with people nowadays?!:p

Jedi152
03-12-2007, 13:37
He can't have seen Grease. :p

leonmallett
03-12-2007, 13:41
Nah, but you will always find someone who thinks any particuler model looks stupid.
My idea of a stupid sculpt is one where it wont stand up without weighting the base. In the fantasy range, it is those that wont stand up without a weighted base and wont line up in regiments because of overhang.
As a biker, I rather like the leather jackets. Probobly why I also liked the squat bikers. I was also rather fond of that old throne marneous model. (maybe I shouldnt have used the word "throne" ) Now, I will never look at it the same way again. Thanx.:p


Yes, i would define stupid as 'designed poorly' - like Evil says, fantasy models that don't rank up well leap to mind, namely clanrats and glade guard.

3rd edition Zoanthropes go in as well then - they are so top heavy it is silly. Well, stoopid, actually. :)

Joewrightgm
03-12-2007, 13:46
I think people have a problem with the leather jackets on the eldar jet bikers, because you'd think that (craftworld at least) eldar would be past using leather jerkins when they have access to psycho-plastic, ballistic weave body armor, and all sorts of other nonsense.

to me, the leather biker vests are simply surpurflous.

As far as poorly designed or just down right silly sculpts: Ork Wartrakks and Buggies (leaving the trukk out because its going away soon). They're just not nice to look at models, and the driver and gunners are simply poorly proportioned when you look at the Brian Nelson Ork models they're forced to serve alongside.

WorLord
03-12-2007, 13:47
Let's go back in time to the days of 1st edition - the Squat Hearthguard in exo-armour was silly! It looked like Mr Potato Head coming to get you... I think some people called them faberge eggs or something along those lines.

Galatan
03-12-2007, 13:49
Somehow I instantly thought of GW most useless model ever: http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=9947029901009&orignav=9

A real classic:p

Captain Micha
03-12-2007, 13:52
But that's not their ugliest model by anymeans. Did anyone actually like the Medusa V possessed?

ehlijen
03-12-2007, 13:55
I dunno, for a rock that one actually looks pretty good. Useless, but accurate.

IJW
03-12-2007, 13:57
Let's go back in time to the days of 1st edition - the Squat Hearthguard in exo-armour was silly! It looked like Mr Potato Head coming to get you... I think some people called them faberge eggs or something along those lines.

http://www.ianjameswood.co.uk/warseer/40k_squat_warlord_exo-armour_3.jpg

'Say I'm short and I'll multi-melta your kneecaps!'

We did use to joke that their favoured tactic was to line up at the top of a hill and simply roll over the enemy. Actually, they weren't too bad apart from the arms - there's something seriously wrong if you can touch the ground without bending over. I suppose that's what happens if you leave out the knees...

TheMartyr451
03-12-2007, 13:58
But that's not their ugliest model by anymeans. Did anyone actually like the Medusa V possessed?

I really don't like those possessed, they were horrible...*proceeds to begin vomiting everywhere, and then head explodes*

squilverine
03-12-2007, 13:58
I cant believe that no one has mentioned the NaGASH model by Gary Morley.

What makes matters worse is that when it was out I actualy bought it!

Who would of thought that the dark lord of death himself would be a 9 foot tall manicaly grinning skeletal transvestite?

Keichi246
03-12-2007, 14:10
Who would of thought that the dark lord of death himself would be a 9 foot tall manicaly grinning skeletal transvestite?

You mean he isn't? :D

Wait... what's that sound?
*splorch! *

***
Aesthetics vary from person to person. Some people will find some models stupid while others think they are great.

To me - Stupid is incredibly poor design choices. Stuff that may or may not look good - but otherwise have severe issues.

To me - the plastic tyranid hormaguants are "stupid". Just poorly designed. Far too often - they want to face plant themselves. The point bits CONSTANTLY tangle with each other, and if you are lucky - they WON'T break off their bases at the first time they get dropped.

The "old" Crisis Suit (and particularly Broadside) ankles were pretty awful too. Since they recut the sprue, it's been less of an issue - but *every* crisis suit and Broadside I had of that era snapped off at the ankles once...

Galatan
03-12-2007, 14:23
But that's not their ugliest model by anymeans. Did anyone actually like the Medusa V possessed?

I think there was this one guy that actually liked them....but he was know for his wierd tastes.

And yes....The ugliest most recent GW model are without a doubt the possesed.
But the new possesed are awesome:D and give great bitz for converting your champs.

Yeeeey 100 posts, now I'll be seen as a more experienced warhammer player :P

Micro
03-12-2007, 14:30
Somehow I instantly thought of GW most useless model ever: http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=9947029901009&orignav=9

A real classic:p

omg, and it's $2. what the hell where they thinking. i guess they had some green-stuff leftovers and thought: 'hey, we could use it to sculpt a rock. it will sell like freshly baked choclate muffins!':wtf:

scheppo
03-12-2007, 14:34
http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=99110102003&orignav=10

I think GW should have changed this fella before touching anything else in the chaos range...

Temprus
03-12-2007, 14:48
Well, ignoring the very old sculpts which could be very silly (Marneus Calgar's concerned constipation pose http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=99060101292&orignav=9 ) there have been some very odd sculpts in recent times.

Well, he has been sitting on the throne for nearly 20 years. :rolleyes:

He who is doom
03-12-2007, 14:49
http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=99110102003&orignav=10

I think GW should have changed this fella before touching anything else in the chaos range...

that is a singular truth.
i like the medusa v possesed with his talons open and saying shoot me

Stella Cadente
03-12-2007, 14:50
stoopid sculpts hey, easy

Anorexic dreadnought O doom
http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=99110101321&orignav=10

"OH GOD WE HAVE NO NECKS"!!!!!!
http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=99120101036&orignav=10

Umm........yeah, really scary guys *yawn* we supposed to laugh to death?
http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=99069915014&orignav=10
http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=99069915016&orignav=10

Everything here
http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=List_Models&code=300919&orignav=10

Christ almighty, no wonder some kids are scared of clowns
http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=List_Models&code=302032&orignav=10

more chainmail than a knight, and they expect it to protect them.........yeah
http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=List_Models&code=301819&orignav=10

Great...pitbulls
http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=99060106042&orignav=10

W...T...F...?
http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=99110108051&orignav=10

There the ones that make me cringe in terror
and of course the old possessed

Logarithm Udgaur
03-12-2007, 15:22
I will probably get flamed for saying this, but the new Ork weirdboy is pants. He is way to fearsome looking for a model that will run away unless forced to fight (unless he got some rules changes also).

IJW
03-12-2007, 15:38
Logarithm - that's a Warphead, not a regular weirdboy.

sjap98
03-12-2007, 15:47
I've always disliked the all the biovores sculpts, I was going to make some of my own, until I stumbled over these: http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/home/detail.php?qsID=877&qsSeries=26#
Now I've got 2 of those, they look more like proper biovores to me.

AdmiralDick
03-12-2007, 16:13
Aaaaalright...so leather jackets are stupid.....:eyebrows: What the hell is wrong with people nowadays?!:p


I want to this party and saw a guy wearing a leather jacket, and i thought, 'Man, he's cool'.

Then i saw a guy wearing a leather vest and i thought, 'Man, he's so not cool'.

Then i realised. Cool is leather sleeves.

as for my own view i'd have to disagree with the whole Tyrant Guard and Horror dislike that Stella Cadente's got going on. i quite like them (in fact i think the Horrors are some of the best models made by GW).

IJW
03-12-2007, 16:19
Agreed on the Horrors, they're great sculpts.

Galatan
03-12-2007, 16:30
wow Stella...that's some list, but I kinda disagree with most of them:p.

Well ya the venerable dread is not really the coolest model I've ever seen...actually I don't like it at all. Same with the scouts, the old metal ones are a lot cooler (same with the old wold scouts...10x better than the new ones).

The dark eldar are 2 extremes IMO either the sculpt is great (witches and incubi) or horrid (well to be honest....the rest).

But I'm suprised about the harlies....they are just awesome IMO together with the demon models (except the flamers).

Blarp
03-12-2007, 16:32
For the Emperor, comrades.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/images/mosin-nagant-294145.jpg
Mosin-Nagant circa long time ago.

WWII

Anyway, I'd have to say the dark eldar range in general. It's LAME. The current Bloodthirster is also pretty stupid looking. He's got a colossal head and massive hands, and then these scrawny little legs. The new daemonettes are absolutely horrendous, as well. Oh, and the Marneus Calgar takin' a dump is pretty bad too.

Edit: lol... 1.25 pound rock.

srg.cutter
03-12-2007, 16:38
Like the new daemonettes? *gags*

hey i thought the new demonettes were pretty good. i even converted one into a imperial nurse

srg.cutter
03-12-2007, 16:43
Somehow I instantly thought of GW most useless model ever: http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=9947029901009&orignav=9

A real classic:p

rofl <------ yeah i said it never before or ever again will you hear me say such pigs slang but dammit this is worth it

Irisado
03-12-2007, 16:53
I loved the quote about Nagash! Very funny! I contrived to buy the model as well, but I don't think it's all that bad, although it's not all that great either.

The old possessed were terrible, I agree with everyone who has said that.

For really bad sculpts though, my mind is instantly drawn to the old metal Empire Knights and Kislev Winged Lancers and Horse Archers. The horses that came with them looked like they were fit to pull a cart, and as for the models themselves, the poses were just dire. If that wasn't bad enough, trying to glue the things together was a nightmare. They are the only models in my collection which have been treated to pins and araldite....Enough said.

Imperialis_Dominatus
03-12-2007, 16:56
http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=99110102003&orignav=10

I think GW should have changed this fella before touching anything else in the chaos range...

True. And they never should have redone possessed in metal. Jump straight to the awesome plastics of today.

Stella, don't agree. Though the DE could use a boost of model-quality, to be true.

Leunam
03-12-2007, 16:57
For all the Captain Cortez bashing, I don't think I've ever seen a decent shot of the model to get a good idea of how horrible it is.

Logarithm Udgaur
03-12-2007, 17:04
Logarithm - that's a Warphead, not a regular weirdboy.

Well that makes more sense then, still not a big fan of the model. It is listed as a weirdboy in the store though.

wickedvoodoo
03-12-2007, 17:18
To me - the plastic tyranid hormaguants are "stupid". Just poorly designed. Far too often - they want to face plant themselves. The point bits CONSTANTLY tangle with each other, and if you are lucky - they WON'T break off their bases at the first time they get dropped.

QFT

The nid line is one of the prettiest GW have ever done but... it also hosts two of the worst designed models. The Zoanthrope is sssooo top heavy, i am forever having to redo the paint where mine has fell over on the table and got chipped. Also the hormies, my god, they are connected to the base by their tip toes, so easy to snap.

I would also like to give a honourable mention to the new troupe master. He is a fantastic sculpt, exept for the ridiculously thin tab that holds him aloft, from the base to the bottom of his coat. Its a matter of when he breaks, not if he does.

Fixer
03-12-2007, 17:19
Captain Cortez, in all his Saturday night fever glory.
http://uk.games-workshop.com/spacemarines/miniature-gallery/33/

Inquizitor Aohd
03-12-2007, 17:50
I always thought the Avatar was Kinda a style clash with the rest of the Eldar range.

Nephilim of Sin
03-12-2007, 18:02
Nagash was not bad for its time, but it was horrible to put together. Too many gaps, and seems to lean foward a little too much. I have to say I actually prefer the DE Raiders and jetbikes, but not the jetbike riders (or the raider crew). Are they wearing pants? Or are those tights? I still haven't figured it out. The metal jetbike riders aren't bad though.

Although two models do make me cringe; Greasus Goldtooth, and Skrag the Slaughterer. The second could have been done a lot better...

floyd pinkerton
03-12-2007, 18:34
the soon to be replaced ork trukk comes to mind. I might still buy a load to convert when the new one comes out though

superknijn
03-12-2007, 19:08
WWII
No, also WWI; the WWI version was about 4 inches longer, and so almost of comparable length with the Vostroyan Lasguns.

The Mounted Wight Lord looks daft with his huge helmet-wings.

MrBigMr
03-12-2007, 19:27
No, also WWI; the WWI version was about 4 inches longer, and so almost of comparable length with the Vostroyan Lasguns.
Even before that. The Mosin-Nagant 1891/30 was adopted into use in 1891. But it has a scope, and the first (and best, and rarest) one was taken into use in 1932. I have one. Grandpops brought it from the war and few years ago it was given to me.


The Mounted Wight Lord looks daft with his huge helmet-wings.
I think the person who designed the Eldar shining spear exarch (http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=99140104089&orignav=10), is a twit. Ok, you have a helmet with massive fins, spreading to the sides. So it's like a fighter jet nose down. Now imagine you step on the gas on the jetbike. What do you think will happen to your neck?

SneakyChris
03-12-2007, 21:53
The only way i can fit my 10 boyz onto an ork truk is to not assemble them....... just stack all the bits from the sprues onto the back! I mean why!

MrBigMr
03-12-2007, 22:19
The only way i can fit my 10 boyz onto an ork truk is to not assemble them....... just stack all the bits from the sprues onto the back! I mean why!
Maybe not the models, but in real life you wouldn't be attached to a large base and stand in a pose like a statue. If you have ever been in the military, those transports can get a little crowded. Packing to the back of a truck with 29 other dudes, and your gear, for few hours in the dead of winter is no picnik.

catbarf
03-12-2007, 22:46
Now imagine you step on the gas on the jetbike. What do you think will happen to your neck?

Mental image made me literally laugh out loud.

The Guy
03-12-2007, 22:51
Captain Cortez, in all his Saturday night fever glory.
http://uk.games-workshop.com/spacemarines/miniature-gallery/33/

LMAO
I'm tempted to buy that and paint "Disco Stu" on the shoulder pad :p
I hate vostroyans. IMO they look absolutley ridiculous. What are the supposed to be? Russian+Scot's guard+18th century? :wtf:
GW you could have just made a regiment for each and made extra money...
Oh and those don't even resemble scot's guard hats....

Jim
03-12-2007, 22:56
The chaos marine plastics annoy me (good sculpts though) - Why o why do they mostly have Mark VII helmets on :wtf: ???

Should have made them all Mark IV & V - anything else makes no sense!

Jim

Patriarch
03-12-2007, 23:43
For all the Captain Cortez bashing, I don't think I've ever seen a decent shot of the model to get a good idea of how horrible it is.

That's because no-one with the wit to use a digital camera would ever think of buying the model. :D

My own take on a "daft" sculpt rather than a merely bad one: the old Empire War Wagon.

http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=9911020204100&orignav=9

12 foot high wood and iron mini fortress stuffed with six armed and armoured empire soliders. Pulled by two horses. Apparently this thing was supposed to outrun the Knights Panther.

violenceha
03-12-2007, 23:52
The chaos marine plastics annoy me (good sculpts though) - Why o why do they mostly have Mark VII helmets on :wtf: ???

Should have made them all Mark IV & V - anything else makes no sense!

Jim
I agree, they stick with the heresy era weaponry but update their armour? Oh no, that's right, now they're all renegades that happened to throw away all their newer weaponry. Up yours GW:D
IV and V are the coolest marks of power armour.

SV_Harlequin
04-12-2007, 00:27
Anar and the new Shadow Warriors with the Parachute pants
Silver Helms
parts of the Spearelves
Swooping hawks on tiptoes
teh previous Striking Scorpions liek the one holding his leg
Karandras - his helme is to big and really all the Phoenix Lords, there poses are nearly all the same and static.
The Harlequin troupe leader jumpy pose with both legs in the air like he's about to land sitting cross legged
Warp Spider Exarch - the spinners look more like his arms than his arms do.

Count Sinister
04-12-2007, 03:37
Stupid sculpts and ugly sculpts aren't the same thing, are they? There are plenty of ugly GW sculpts out there (and there are lots of beautiful ones too), but for sheer stupidity, look no further than the old Empire range, in particular, the old state troops standard bearer. No amount of metal glued to the underside of the base could prevent the damn thing from tipping over onto his face. Who would sculpt something like that? I know they playtest rules, but do they ever playtest models?

catbarf
04-12-2007, 11:17
I hate vostroyans. IMO they look absolutley ridiculous. What are the supposed to be? Russian+Scot's guard+18th century? :wtf:
GW you could have just made a regiment for each and made extra money...
Oh and those don't even resemble scot's guard hats....

Vostroyans are based on Tzarist Russians. They embody 40k perfectly in the gothic historical sense.

They're also very, VERY nice models. Even if you don't like the design, you can't argue poor sculpting.

Supremearchmarshal
04-12-2007, 12:29
For impractical, I look no further than the DE Raider. Whoever designed that one obviously never ha to transport his minis...

The runner-up is the Defiler - a huge model with AV 12.

As for ridiculous... (click the pics to enlarge, if you dare)

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Think the 40k Bloodthirster is bad? How 'bout this one from old Epic? And what a pose!

31313

Interesting appendage there.

31315

The old SM Dread looked real cartoony. I always wondered how it could actually move since its feet were as long as its legs.

31314

This is an Imperial ship...

31311

This Genestealer Patriarch model is quite stunning... in the wrong sense of the word.

Honourable mention goes to the Chaos Warriors whose hands were as big as their heads.

scheppo
04-12-2007, 12:32
That barbarian/tiger/snake may look silly, but you need to keep in mind, that it`s just a conversion.

Astromarine
04-12-2007, 12:40
Afterwards, we also had the Melty faced power fist veteran from the box set.

No. Just, no. I used to think his face was all *wrong* when I only saw him in pictures, but after buying and painting one I think it's actually a pretty great sculpt. Here's the picture of mine:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/Astromarine/Monster%20Paint%20Log/DASargeFront-01.jpg

pookie
04-12-2007, 12:44
For impractical, I look no further than the DE Raider. Whoever designed that one obviously never ha to transport his minis...

The runner-up is the Defiler - a huge model with AV 12.

As for ridiculous... (click the pics to enlarge, if you dare)

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This is, believe it or not, a Chaos Spawn. Real scary.

31312

Think the 40k Bloodthirster is bad? How 'bout this one from old Epic? And what a pose!

31313

Interesting appendage there.

31315

The old SM Dread looked real cartoony. I always wondered how it could actually move since its feet were as long as its legs.

31314

This is an Imperial ship...

31311

This Genestealer Patriarch model is quite stunning... in the wrong sense of the word.

Honourable mention goes to the Chaos Warriors whose hands were as big as their heads.


intresting how they are all oop models, some at least 10 years old, what do you exepct? if they were sculpting those these days then id agree, but at the time they were quite good.

Supremearchmarshal
04-12-2007, 12:57
intresting how they are all oop models, some at least 10 years old, what do you exepct? if they were sculpting those these days then id agree, but at the time they were quite good.

I disagree, there were far better models those days. Besides, horrible proportions (like the SM Dread) and poses (Bloodthirster) as well as ridiculous concepts (the Imperial Battleship and Spawn) have nothing to do with the model's age. All these can be found in the current model range as well.

Logarithm Udgaur
04-12-2007, 15:24
I would like to nominate the entire Nightlords range. OoooOOoohh, look at us we is scary because our helmets are about to fly away.

On Captain Cortez, when I read the description of how he took out the Ork Warlords weapon with a torso twist I just had to laugh.

pookie
04-12-2007, 15:48
I disagree, there were far better models those days. Besides, horrible proportions (like the SM Dread) and poses (Bloodthirster) as well as ridiculous concepts (the Imperial Battleship and Spawn) have nothing to do with the model's age. All these can be found in the current model range as well.

what i meant was that the quailty was fairly low in those days, the tech they used, the materials even the sculpters were no where near as advanced/experianced as these days.

i agree that these days there is no excuse for poor models ( cortez being an example ) but back then ( and those dreads were RT era, the Ship - dominator irrc? was Space Fleet - which is also Rt era ) well its hard to be negative about the models as they were at the time quite advanced for what they are.

Zink
04-12-2007, 18:33
I'm not fond of the huge helmets myself. I got used to elven coneheads and can live with that. But some of the characters coming out now have hats the size of their torsos! I also don't like when flying creatures have some sort of 6 foot tall chair strapped to their back. Imagine the wind drag on a 3 foot helmet with 2 foot long wings attached and then the kings throne strapped on as well.

yabbadabba
04-12-2007, 18:47
That's because no-one with the wit to use a digital camera would ever think of buying the model. :D

My own take on a "daft" sculpt rather than a merely bad one: the old Empire War Wagon.

http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=9911020204100&orignav=9

12 foot high wood and iron mini fortress stuffed with six armed and armoured empire soliders. Pulled by two horses. Apparently this thing was supposed to outrun the Knights Panther.

It's based on the real one, but just "fantasyed" up. Although initially I would agree with you comment about the Knights, Knights are supposed to be that quick either. It's al just game mechanic.

sigur
04-12-2007, 20:14
intresting how they are all oop models, some at least 10 years old, what do you exepct? if they were sculpting those these days then id agree, but at the time they were quite good.

Indeed. And the first one is a conversion, by the way.

The Warwagon still is one of my favorites from the Empire range. The concept is just cool and it looks good.

Supremearchmarshal
04-12-2007, 22:36
what i meant was that the quailty was fairly low in those days, the tech they used, the materials even the sculpters were no where near as advanced/experianced as these days.

i agree that these days there is no excuse for poor models ( cortez being an example ) but back then ( and those dreads were RT era, the Ship - dominator irrc? was Space Fleet - which is also Rt era ) well its hard to be negative about the models as they were at the time quite advanced for what they are.

Well its not the quality that bothers me, but rather how ridiculous their concept/design is. Especially when there were contemporary models with no such problem.

For example, the SM Dread has ridiculously short legs, but the CSM Dread has perfectly normal legs, and would have actually been a decent model for its time if it were not for the appendage.

As for the Battleship, it's actually kinds cool, but it looked horribly out-of-place next to the other Imperial ships.

The Bloodthirster's pose is horrible (and the model is poor too IMO, especially compared to the Lord of Battle it usually played alongside), and the Patriarch is just overall a really bad model.

I didn't realise the Spawn was a conversion, so ok you got me there.

Patriarch
05-12-2007, 13:41
To be fair, the old SM dreadnought had two kinds of legs (and two choices of torso). That model shows the short legs, the longer ones were better proportioned. Like the Chaos dread photo.

Patriarch
05-12-2007, 16:37
It's based on the real one, but just "fantasyed" up. Although initially I would agree with you comment about the Knights, Knights are supposed to be that quick either. It's al just game mechanic.

I didn't know there had been a real one...was it only pulled by two horses though?

IJW
05-12-2007, 17:09
I didn't know there had been a real one...was it only pulled by two horses though?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagenburg
http://www.warfareeast.co.uk/main/Warwagons.htm
http://www.irregularminiatures.co.uk/25mmRanges/25mmSiegeEquipment.htm

yabbadabba
05-12-2007, 18:12
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagenburg
http://www.warfareeast.co.uk/main/Warwagons.htm
http://www.irregularminiatures.co.uk/25mmRanges/25mmSiegeEquipment.htm

Thanks IJW - I have been serching under all manner of Eastern European countries but I had forgot it was Zizka and the Hussite wars!

unclejimbo827
05-12-2007, 19:39
LotR's infamous monkey bros. - Elladan and Elrohir

http://store.us.games-workshop.com/storefront/newimage.asp?Size=A&Img=250905

(Face-palmy goodness courtesy Gray Morley. :D)

twisted_mentat
06-12-2007, 05:08
Anar and the new Shadow Warriors with the P
Karandras - his helme is to big and really all the Phoenix Lords, there poses are nearly all the same and static.


Thats what models looked like back in the 90s. They all looked like they were posing for a photo or a portrait, rather than looking like they're actually in combat or doing anyhting other than "are you done yet?"

A Number of models from that era are still out there, Eldrad, Kharn...though some like Abbadon still hold up.

Old Chaos Warrior Plastics still haunt my dreams along with giant spiders. The guy who sculpted them clearly though they were a skimirshing unit or something. It was possible to get them to rank up, just the effort to do it was not worth it.

Dr Death
06-12-2007, 11:08
Ahhh, the thread i've been waiting for!

My thoughts on bad GW sculpts have been voiced in other threads so my definition of stupid is therefore: A good model or concept ruined in part or in whole by a seeming brain-fart on the part of the designer, specifically a fault which is goofy or comical and renders the veiwer unable to appreciate other successful elements such as overall sculpt quality or design without contemplating those elements independently of the faults:

Pestigor: Difficult to know where to start with these... (http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=99060201149&orignav=13)
A cross between greyhound and bear apparently (http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=99069915017&orignav=13)
Love the Slann but it's the floaty glyph plate of doom i have a problem with (http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=99110208044&orignav=13)
Quite frankly bizarre with their malnourished bodies weird heads and saurus skin shields (http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=99120208003&orignav=13)
Dont you think they take the bird look a little far? (http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=99110102071&orignav=10)
All together now: I beleive i can fly, I beleive i can touch the sky, i think about it every night and day, spread my wings and fly away! (http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=99110102081&orignav=10)
Specifically the techmarine's 'Doctor Octopus' backpack (http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=99110101312&orignav=10)
Very well translated from the design but by god does the design in question need looking at (http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=99110113019&orignav=10)
A clear contender to Marneus' throne (quite literally) for 'most constipated looking' model (http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=99110106055&orignav=10)
The words "i kick **** for the lord" spring to mind (http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=99140108054&orignav=10)

To be honest i've had a very hard time seperating Stoopidness from just plain awful so if any of the above do cross the line i can only beg forgiveness: both for the mistake and for damage to your individual states of mind for reminding you of these 'unique'...specimens.

Dr Death

Red_Duke
06-12-2007, 12:02
The DE i think do quite well for stupid on a number of fronts - first off - most stupid transport. The Ravager looks... ok - however, it has soooo many spindly bits to snap off (not even bothering to include the base there either) that its unlikely to survive that long intact. Then theres the warriors. Hate the models for their a. poor looks, and b. again, too many spindly bits. On to the worst though...

What is THESE supposed to be exactly? http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=99060112005&orignav=10 totally suckass models...

Scourges win the DE award for most poorly designed however - the flying ones just fall over, and then the wings fall off.

I really dont like the wych models personally either.

And as for the DE Lord - WTF has happened to his FACE? http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=99060112009&orignav=10

Yes, i really dont like the DE model range ;)

Curufew
06-12-2007, 12:16
I think his face is covered by a hellmask thingy? The -1 LD leadership item

Remoah
06-12-2007, 12:21
Ratlings... damn ratlings.
And the old Ogryns

Logarithm Udgaur
06-12-2007, 13:14
And as for the DE Lord - WTF has happened to his FACE?

That is not his face, it is the face of some newjack that insulted him. He just wears it to keep the wind off.

Orlanth
10-12-2007, 01:02
I cant believe that no one has mentioned the NaGASH model by Gary Morley.

What makes matters worse is that when it was out I actualy bought it!

Who would of thought that the dark lord of death himself would be a 9 foot tall manicaly grinning skeletal transvestite?

I really will have to second that. Nagash looked particularly crap.

ExquisiteEvil
10-12-2007, 01:12
hmmm lets see...

Nagash - Sculptor: Gary Morley

SKoDA(foot and mounted) - Sculptor: Gary Morley

elladan and elrohir(someone pointed out before) - Sculptor: Gary Morley

Plastic HE - Sculptor: Gary Morley

Dark Eldar - Sculptor: Gary Morley

Alith Anar - Sculptor: Gary Morley

new shadow warriors - Sculptor: Gary Morley

hmmm i see a pattern....

Metal Possessed - Sculptor: Gary Morley

I wont go on....

Nephilim of Sin
10-12-2007, 01:51
The DE i think do quite well for stupid on a number of fronts - first off - most stupid transport. The Ravager looks... ok - however, it has soooo many spindly bits to snap off (not even bothering to include the base there either) that its unlikely to survive that long intact. Then theres the warriors. Hate the models for their a. poor looks, and b. again, too many spindly bits....

Stupid Transport? I thought it was an awesome idea for a transport (although not for deepstriking). It reminded my of Jabba's skiffs from RotJ. I seemed to capture a pirate image, at least in my mind.

As for the warriors, I do not know what to say. I want to like them. They are just...eh. Even with the spikes, they are too plain. And "stoopid" because as you pointed out, they can break very easily. The heads aren't bad, except for the gawd awful frizzy raver head. There is no way that much hair could ever fit under a helmet.


...Old Chaos Warrior Plastics still haunt my dreams along with giant spiders. The guy who sculpted them clearly though they were a skimirshing unit or something. It was possible to get them to rank up, just the effort to do it was not worth it.

I had some sitting around and last month I decided to assemble them. it took me between six and eight hours to have them rank up. Not to assemble, but to rank up. I was doing two units of 6x2. Definately "stoopid".

Edit: I almost forgot, what about the Blood Dragon on winged nightmare. The winged nightmare is one of the worst and "stoopid" looking sculpts that I have seen in a long time.

billr
10-12-2007, 04:10
Nagash: http://de.games-workshop.com/storefront/newimage.asp?size=B&img=253791


Furies: http://uk.games-workshop.com/hordesofchaos/miniature-gallery/images/furies.gif
Just bad. Mine look o.k. but that's because they're midnight blue with very little highlighting so you can't see the detail. ;)

I can't find a picture, but the Mutie Unk Raiders. Or maybe just about anything from gorka morka.

twisted_mentat
10-12-2007, 07:45
I had some sitting around and last month I decided to assemble them. it took me between six and eight hours to have them rank up. Not to assemble, but to rank up. I was doing two units of 6x2. Definately "stoopid".
.

Yep. PLus their bodies were two spinly to make a convincing chaos warrior. Sort of like old RT01 Marines, which were really small when compaired to other early 40k models.

People complained that the new Chaos Warriors are too static and monopose. Yes that may be true but they at least look like chaos warriors; they're big, massive, heavily armored and RANK UP!

DE warriors look okay for models you'd get in a basic game, but then they're packaged with what i think is the best plastics GW has ever made; the basic multipart marines. You can do ANYTHING you want with those. THe DE Warriors, you can make them...um...warriors. Also Mandrakes (i think thats the units name) with some imagination.

They're not bad, just nothing you can do with them outside of make DE warriors.

Logarithm Udgaur
10-12-2007, 08:10
I think this is a conversion but it makes Nagash look cool
http://whfb.lexicanum.de/mediawiki/images/thumb/9/97/NagashFlorianKniep.jpeg/300px-NagashFlorianKniep.jpeg

Cuthullu
10-12-2007, 09:38
Ratlings, they look lice mice instead of halflings.

The old Bretonian Knights, a headache is the best thing they will get when wearing this helmets with this big decorations on it.

The Sisters Excorcist: Yeah, shooting with a music instrument, of course, and i am the king of china.

Old Metal Sentinel: Looked like an egg with feet.

Current nad Old Marine Heavy Weapons of all kinds: Yeah of course, even a marine cannot hold a 30kg or more weapon AND shoot with great accuracy.

Forgeworld Thunderbolt: Can anybody tell me how the pilot can look straight forward and see something beside his flyers nose?

40k and Fantasy Elve´s Helmets: Oh yeah, it is no problem wearing a helmet which´s balance point is half a metre over my neck.

Biker, Jetbiker: Look, i can drive with a big weapon in my hand and not touching the handle with the brakes or gas.

Old Phantom Lord: Another Egg on foot.

Oversized Shoulder pads, all ranges: Sir, no problem here sir. I can see whats happening right or left of me.

Supremearchmarshal
10-12-2007, 09:56
Current nad Old Marine Heavy Weapons of all kinds: Yeah of course, even a marine cannot hold a 30kg or more weapon AND shoot with great accuracy.

They have suspensors which reduce their weight.

Besides, oversized weapons are a staple of Warhammer in general (Ork Choppas are even worse - look like they would weigh 50kg)


40k and Fantasy Elve´s Helmets: Oh yeah, it is no problem wearing a helmet which´s balance point is half a metre over my neck.

I think GW actually picked this up from someone else.

MoopMoop
10-12-2007, 10:17
Besides, oversized weapons are a staple of Warhammer in general (Ork Choppas are even worse - look like they would weigh 50kg)


I actually recall a passage in some publication (WD? Old Ork Codex?) which states that Choppas actually DO weigh 50kg. And that Power Klaws were in the range of 500kg... :wtf:

efarrer
10-12-2007, 14:21
Not a GW model but Irix the Sybalite (3rd Incarnation) from Rackham drives me bonkers. The centre of gravity is about 5 inches off the ground, good for a flat table, I guess.

For GW models

Raptors- Again soooo tippy, always have to repair dings.
Coretez- Nuff said
Lameartez- Stupid rosarius, HUGE terminator honours, ***** helmet
Metal possessed- nuff said

bluey
10-12-2007, 16:11
if this has been posted somewhere else im sorry but just check this out

http://www.collecting-citadel-miniatures.com/wiki/index.php/Image:Unreleased_-_Chaos_Beastman_Penis_headed_2.jpg

if it doesnt work im going to tell you its a beastman with a penis head:eek:

reminds me of me actually..............

DartzIRL
10-12-2007, 17:37
if this has been posted somewhere else im sorry but just check this out

http://www.collecting-citadel-miniatures.com/wiki/index.php/Image:Unreleased_-_Chaos_Beastman_Penis_headed_2.jpg

if it doesnt work im going to tell you its a beastman with a penis head:eek:

reminds me of me actually..............

Horny bugger....

May I add the older Imperial Vehicle searchlights, with the pointybits on top. They would have been cool but for that. Better than the current sunspot infact.

Also, the Leman Russ turret being too small for it's gun, and the general big blunderbuss syndrome that affects some of the older tanks. The Basilisk is the best, with the most believable weapon scale, followed by Vanquisher and exterminator variants..

ScooterinAB
11-12-2007, 07:41
I'm supprised this one hasn't been mentioned...

NAZDREG!!!!

Possibly the worst sculpt of all time. Except for his power fist (which goes great on Chaos Marines), the model looked like crap. And for those who are new to the scene, the model is so terrible that I can't even find a picture of that piece of ****.

Nazdreg was my fav special character, and I died a lot inside when I saw that model. Didn't even look a thing like the picture or description. It'd be like giving Calgar a storm bolter and Power sword.

Guyver OmegaX
11-12-2007, 08:46
the model is so terrible that I can't even find a picture of that piece of ****.

It's a bit small, but it this (http://www.legriffon.com/images/catalog_100/gw8039a.jpg) the one you mean?

Good old Nazdreg Ug 'Wavey' Urdgrub...

ScooterinAB
11-12-2007, 16:23
Ya. That's the only picture I could find too.

runepriest
12-12-2007, 15:31
Well, ignoring the very old sculpts which could be very silly (Marneus Calgar's concerned constipation pose http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=99060101292&orignav=9 ) there have been some very odd sculpts in recent times.

I had forgotten about this mini until I clicked that link.............I actually have two of those :angel:

In my opinion, one of the worst sculpts has to be Chaplain Lemartes, followed by Captain Shrike as a close second.

Mike McVey has some interesting figs, but what was he thinking with Lemartes?? :wtf:


Runepriest

daemonkin
12-12-2007, 15:34
I actually like Shrike in his 1 dimensional pose but I did have a successful Raven Guard army before the current Codex came out.

D.

scarletsquig
13-12-2007, 14:09
Well, ignoring the very old sculpts which could be very silly (Marneus Calgar's concerned constipation pose http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefr...1292&orignav=9 ) there have been some very odd sculpts in recent times.
http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/newimage.asp?Size=A&Img=255402

Heh, he looks like Gordon Brown! :D

Hrafn
13-12-2007, 14:50
In my opinion, one of the worst sculpts has to be Chaplain Lemartes, followed by Captain Shrike as a close second.


Now, I'm all with you on Lemartes - but Shrike :confused:

I actually think it is quite a good mini and have used it for a conversion for my Blood Angels Commander. Yes, the pose is a bit two-dimensional, but IMHO very far either ugly or "stoopid". I am curious - could you elaborate why Shrike is so bad?

Leaving out ancient model which are mostly are product of their time (perhaps bar the notorious Nagash!), I think there are far worse contemporay sculpts out there than Shrike. The metal Poessessed and Captain Cortez spring to mind for 40K! But even then, I concur that Lemartes could be the very worst...
For WFB I feel especially spiteful towards the Wood Elf uglies - most notably the Eagle Rider, the female lord with handweapons and the Treeman. How on earth did they manage to release some of the most stunning minis in the entire game (e.g. Dryads, Mages, the two-handed weapon Lord among other) alongside some of the most *****? :mad:

Stella Cadente
13-12-2007, 17:50
I actually forgot about shrike and his..........unnatural weird stupid idiotic pathetic dumb pose

Supremearchmarshal
13-12-2007, 18:52
Now, I'm all with you on Lemartes - but Shrike :confused:

I actually think it is quite a good mini and have used it for a conversion for my Blood Angels Commander. Yes, the pose is a bit two-dimensional, but IMHO very far either ugly or "stoopid". I am curious - could you elaborate why Shrike is so bad?

I agree - I don't really find anything wrong with Shrike.

ScooterinAB
14-12-2007, 08:09
http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/newimage.asp?Size=A&Img=255402

Heh, he looks like Gordon Brown! :D

I wonder why GW is 1) still selling that model. We only need 1 Calgar model available, not 3. And 2) selling it with a circle monster base, as if you could actually use him in a game.

Supremearchmarshal
14-12-2007, 12:21
I wonder why GW is 1) still selling that model. We only need 1 Calgar model available, not 3. And 2) selling it with a circle monster base, as if you could actually use him in a game.

Now that you mention it I'm tempted to do just that, just for the look on my opponent's face :D

Dio´Ra
14-12-2007, 23:04
certain models have just ugly faces....the face is the hardest thing to sculpt, ill give them that......certain battle sister models have such a weird face, which makes you wonder if it are men with wigs and lip stick....

heretics bane
15-12-2007, 18:09
Im probebly the only one going to mention this gaming system but: The dwarf Tunnell fighting team from LOTR, the spear was freaken huge!!! In comparisong to the size of the dwarf appearantly holding it

Curufew
17-12-2007, 14:47
May I know who sculpted the High Elves Swordmasters model? In the HE artwork, the swordmasters look fantastic but the model is kinda....bad.

DarkSoldier
17-12-2007, 19:50
Im probebly the only one going to mention this gaming system but: The dwarf Tunnell fighting team from LOTR, the spear was freaken huge!!! In comparisong to the size of the dwarf appearantly holding itWhen it comes to tunnel fighting, you want a long-hafted thrusting weapon. It keeps the enemy away, and is pretty much the only viable weapon in an environment with negligible elbow room.

gitburna
18-12-2007, 13:13
Forgeworld Thunderbolt: Can anybody tell me how the pilot can look straight forward and see something beside his flyers nose?


Well,i had to take issue with this because of several real-world designs with similar problems [which werent even considered problems at the time]
especially during WW2

slightly more recently:- mig 21, 23 and 25, su 7 and 11 et al,

Its only since the experiences of dogfighting again in vietnam that fighter design changed back to more of the rounded high visibility cockpits and higher manouverability of the f 14/15/16/18 etc etc.

Most 40k flyers look heavily inspired by 40s and 50s designs with the notable exceptions of Eldar and Chaos [i include tau in the 50s because they look like the experimental designs of the time eg flying wings]

Patriarch
19-12-2007, 00:30
Priest with Plasma Gun.

OK, made sense when the model came out, but in the current rules almost impossible for him to fire it (always counts as moving, max range 12"; cannot fire if it if the squad is within charge range of enemy).

Tracked down a pic of Nagash (Stuff of Legends) - one of the few miniatures to look better unpainted...

http://warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=31823&stc=1&d=1198024070

Stella Cadente
19-12-2007, 13:12
http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/newimage.asp?Size=A&Img=255402
I actually like him in some ways, sure its not a fantastic sculpt, but the idea and pose is cool.

to bad GW won't let you use him:cries:

efarrer
19-12-2007, 18:07
I actually like him in some ways, sure its not a fantastic sculpt, but the idea and pose is cool.

to bad GW won't let you use him:cries:

Why? It is a vailid model.

Cactusman
19-12-2007, 19:39
I think the inquisitor who looks like a stripogram in a suit of armour is a little silly. And she doesn´t have eyes which makes her look like some racist 1930´s comic depiction of a chinese bloke.
Terrible.
All Inquisitors should be conversions. No respect should be earned by a non converted Inquisitor model.
None.

Logarithm Udgaur
20-12-2007, 03:17
Pretty much what he said, with the notable exception of the Van Hellsing look alike. That guy rocks!