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cincycody
05-12-2007, 21:50
First with the release of 15 Hours, followed by Death World, then Rebel Winter, and later this month Desert Raiders is this some kind of imperial guard unofficial series of novels of the different types of imperial guard or what?

rambler
05-12-2007, 22:34
It's a conspiracy. Just do what the Inquisitor tells you. :D

Cosmocrat
05-12-2007, 23:31
First with the release of 15 Hours, followed by Death World, then Rebel Winter, and later this month Desert Raiders is this some kind of imperial guard unofficial series of novels of the different types of imperial guard or what?

I would literally have an orgasm if they would do a Death Korps novel.

TheOneWithNoName
05-12-2007, 23:50
15 Hours was a terrible book. Are the others any better?

Cosmocrat
05-12-2007, 23:53
If you don't like 15 hours I don't know why you would like any of the others.

I thought the book about the Catachans was mediocre even for the BL.

spacemonkey
05-12-2007, 23:53
Is this some kind of imperial guard unofficial series of novels of the different types of imperial guard or what?
Probably just trying to shine the spot light on Guard units that aren't Valhallans (Ciaphas Cain series) or Tanith (Gaunt's Ghosts). Regardless as to why, I think it's great that they're doing it. As to a Death Korps novel, I'm sure it's crossed somebodies mind at BL.

srgt. gak
06-12-2007, 00:05
I liked them there really good. and yes i too would orgasm out of my chair for a death korps book.

legio mortis
06-12-2007, 00:08
Well, there were Death Korps in the second Ultramarines book..

catbarf
06-12-2007, 00:55
I need to read Rebel Winter. Is it any good?

Light of the Emperor
06-12-2007, 01:14
I'm a fan of Rebel Winter. It really depicts the Vostroyans like I imagined them. In fact, I should read it again...

Xomborg
06-12-2007, 01:48
Rebel Winter is good? I might have to try it.

I thought 15 Hours was great! What didn't you like about it? Don't you dare complain about it being depressing, after all, these are guardsman!

Captain_Ardias
06-12-2007, 01:57
I would say the ending to 15 hours was the best part about it. I don't think I've read any other 'lite' sf book that pulled that at the end (or should I just spoiler it?). Sign me up for a DK book too, I need a good 40k book that isn't from the horus heresy...

Lt.Bradford
06-12-2007, 02:13
Yeah, 15 hours had a great end. On the other books though, I'm not sure on the others as I've fallen behind on the Heresy series and the store I get my BL stuff never has them.

Nabeshin1106
06-12-2007, 02:46
This thread has made me want to re-read Rebel Winter. The fact that I'm currently working on my Vostroyans doesn't help much either.

The book ended in such a way as to set up for a sequel, so that's something I'm hoping for right now.

twisted_mentat
06-12-2007, 02:51
If you read the fluff in IA5, it kind of makes the DKoK out to have very little personalities.

They don't even have real names, just serials. 123413-apha78-Hans is what they're known as. They have no personalty, no personal glory or feelings, they only live to die for the Korps and the Emperor.

Cosmocrat
06-12-2007, 02:53
They don't even have real names, just serials. 123413-apha78-Hans is what they're known as. They have no personalty, no personal glory or feelings, they only live to die for the Korps and the Emperor.

Which makes them charismatic life-of-the-party types compared to Space Marines :evilgrin:

Gen.Steiner
06-12-2007, 09:34
I've got 15 Hours and Desert Raiders (although I spotted the twist in Raiders half way through, perhaps earlier); both are good pulp SF.

If you approach the Black Library as Pulp Fiction, its stuff is actually pretty good. If you approach it as tho' it's high-end SF literature like The Earth Abides or The Forever War, you'll be disappointed.

Rebel Winter and Death World are next on my purchase list, as I am a sucker for the Guard. :p

Baneboss
06-12-2007, 10:39
15 Hours is a great, mature approach to 40k universe. Great read.

Rebel Winter was fine but Im not a fan of it. Nice read but nothing out of place.

Gen.Steiner
06-12-2007, 10:52
15 Hours is pretty good, very harsh view of Munitorium incompetance and everyday insanity in a pansolar Imperium which should have a hundred words for Red Tape (and probably has about a million).

fengor
06-12-2007, 10:58
hmm dont know if it really fits into this thread. But i have the omnibus with the first 3 gaunts ghost novels. And i'm thinking about buying the other novels of this series. Is there a list or something with all gaunts ghost novels and the order in which they were published?

Gen.Steiner
06-12-2007, 11:06
Is there a list or something with all gaunts ghost novels and the order in which they were published?

Dunno about the order of publishing, but you should read them as follows:


First and Only
Ghostmaker
Necropolis
Honour Guard
The Guns of Tanith
Straight Silver
Sabbat Martyr
Traitor General
His Last Command
The Armour of Contempt
Only in Death

Baneboss
06-12-2007, 11:06
Ive got first 2 Tanith omnibuses (The founding, The Saint) but I only read first book. Im not yet tempted to read the rest. Second omnibus has following books: Honour Guard, The guns of Tanith, Straight Silver, Sabbat Martyr. Question to someone who read entire Tanith saga: are latter books better than first?

As a fan of IG I would also love DKoK novel. I wish it was written by Michael Scanlon, the author of 15 Hours. He really catched the theme of brutal trench warfare for me.

Gen.Steiner
06-12-2007, 11:18
Yes, the later books are better than the earlier ones. Even the best ones, however, are essentially good-quality pulp SF action stories. Not to say that that's bad! :)

fengor
06-12-2007, 11:24
sicne the second omnibus corresponds with the order to read of gen. steiner i guess i will add that to my wishlist for this year :)

thanks a lot

ps: there might even be an imperial guard box on it ;)

Mojaco
06-12-2007, 11:24
I thought 15 hours was great but terrible. Great writting and admosphere, but I don't recall having read a more depressing book. Poor sod...

I thought Armour of Contempt to be a great guard book. Just skip the gaunt sections and just follow the kid who's in training and you've got a great 40k battle unfolding. Proof that Abnett DOES know what 40k is about.

Gen.Steiner
06-12-2007, 11:36
sicne the second omnibus corresponds with the order to read of gen. steiner i guess i will add that to my wishlist for this year

I nicked that order from the front of Only in Death... :p


there might even be an imperial guard box on it ;)

Hurrah! Welcome to the Guard, fengor! :D


Proof that Abnett DOES know what 40k is about.

He also wrote the comic strip Titan, which is most certainly vintage 40K. Of course he knows. :p

fengor
06-12-2007, 11:45
thanx Gen. Steiner.

with all those serenity quotes flying aroudn warseer lately it really itches my fingers to try to do a small firefly based detachment of browncoats ;)

Too bad i suck ad modeling so i will go through hell to make the coats :( Well i could always start with a cadian box for a small alliance force i guess.

Bounou
06-12-2007, 13:37
hmm dont know if it really fits into this thread. But i have the omnibus with the first 3 gaunts ghost novels. And i'm thinking about buying the other novels of this series. Is there a list or something with all gaunts ghost novels and the order in which they were published?

Yup, should be in the inside cover of your omnibus but if you just need the title of the next one its Honour Guard (wich i am currently re-reading) great book.

catbarf
06-12-2007, 16:16
15 Hours was nice. It's just that it's too short. It ends rather abruptly...

As for the ending, what were you expecting? If in the first chapter he yadda yadda, you know that yadda yadda is going to happen.

cincycody
06-12-2007, 22:18
seriously 15 hours was bad, deathworld was good, and rebel winter is awesome

Gen.Steiner
06-12-2007, 22:29
seriously 15 hours was bad, deathworld was good, and rebel winter is awesome

Why? Why was 15 Hours bad, and Rebel Winter awesome?

Bregalad
06-12-2007, 22:45
As said: The "Warriors of Ultramar" (also in Ultramarines Omnibus) features DKoK fighting with Ultramarines and PDF against tyranids. Nice novel, but you don't learn too much about DKoK.

spacemonkey
08-12-2007, 04:06
Well, cincycody, turns out you might have been right after all. Just noticed that in their Coming Soon listing, Black Library has an Imperial Guard Omnibus Volume 1 slated for Dec 08.

azimaith
08-12-2007, 04:52
15 Hours is pretty good, very harsh view of Munitorium incompetance and everyday insanity in a pansolar Imperium which should have a hundred words for Red Tape (and probably has about a million).

I liked the lack of Superhero antics in 15 hours. No "oh look I just threw an ammo pack at a chaos dreadnaught and it died."

Theres no neo characters, no morpheus, not "Oh my god look how awesome I am" characters.

Gen.Steiner
08-12-2007, 13:14
I liked the lack of Superhero antics in 15 hours. No "oh look I just threw an ammo pack at a chaos dreadnaught and it died."

Theres no neo characters, no morpheus, not "Oh my god look how awesome I am" characters.

There are, however, greedy, grasping, shattered, war-weary, incompetant, self-serving, foolish, youthful, old, dying, real characters. The officers who refuse to think Orks can plan, the soldiers who discuss killing the Brass, and the corpse collectors...

El Presedente
08-12-2007, 13:21
Yeah I liked 15 hours, but I saw the ending coming a mile off. If they ever made a 40k film I think 15 hours would be the perfect choice.

I'd look forward to a Preatorian novel, but I can't see it happening, Mordian's are more likely, a DK one would be class if they ran with the serial numbers for names theme.

But I'd love to see a necromunda hive gang to the guard transition novel, showing how out of their depth they would be, I always thought it would be ace if Kal Jecrico ended up being conscripted into the guard, have his locks of hair shaved off and just have a really miserable time, but never losing the luck and optimsism.

Gen.Steiner
08-12-2007, 13:59
...I'd love to see a necromunda hive gang to the guard transition novel, showing how out of their depth they would be, I always thought it would be ace if Kal Jecrico ended up being conscripted into the guard, have his locks of hair shaved off and just have a really miserable time, but never losing the luck and optimsism.

The Necromundan 8th 'Spiders' are entirely made up of gangers from the Spiders gangs. As far as I know, all the Necromundan regiments are made up of hive gangers and underhivers - the Press Gang parties must go in tooled up to the back teeth! :p

In the background to Rogue Trader, all the Guardsmen started out as gangers - and they loved it! Are you kidding? They go from killing illegally with threat of punishment to killing and getting medals and rewards, as well as praise and the promise of paradise after death!

Bregalad
09-12-2007, 21:59
Can someone tell me what the adversaries of the IG are in those books (Rebel Winter, 15 Hours, ...)?

Cosmocrat
09-12-2007, 22:02
Can someone tell me what the adversaries of the IG are in those books (Rebel Winter, 15 Hours, ...)?

The covers show Orks both times. It was also Orks (with some freaky jungle spirits thrown in) in the novel Deathworld, which sucked.

Drogmir
09-12-2007, 22:43
I personally liked 15 hours more than Rebel Winter

Rebel Winter was pretty much (Liberal Commissar meets really gritty Vostroyans who die a lot and have to get to (insert place here) for rescue, and on the way Liberal Commissar makes friend with 2nd in command Vostroyan)

It was all pretty predictable.

In 15 hours you knew he was going to die, but how he got there was kinda depressing in a good way.

Gen.Steiner
10-12-2007, 04:02
Can someone tell me what the adversaries of the IG are in those books (Rebel Winter, 15 Hours, ...)?

Respectively, for the four Guard books that are out, it's Orks, Orks, Orks... and Tyranids.

bosstroll
10-12-2007, 08:39
I found the whole *a single platoon gets redirected because administratum drone screws up* in 15 hours a bit too far fetched. Doesnt the imperium have some sort of check on processed orders ?

reds8n
10-12-2007, 08:54
No, the Imperium is collapsing and essentially broken.

Wasn't that blown away by Deathworld, although the Sly Marbo cameo was a nice nod to us fanboys. Kept thinking there was going to be some big dramatic revealation about exactly how the planet was acting so .... so... well, as it did, but it kind of fizzled out to my mind. 15 Hours I thought was a greta look at how bleak a guardmans' life really is-- liked the contrast between the optimistic view of the people at the beginning and the actual harsh reality. I agree this would make a good 40k movie, it'd have to be that or the first Ragnar novel in my opinion.

Rebel Winter was a fun read, and definately seems set up for a sequel. Desert raiders has some nice touches, and I thougt read very cinematically, the second half of the book is much more enjoyable than the first half I felt.

With regards to the DKoK, Mr. Gascoigne let slip another guard book -- as yet not scheduled for release ( well, not that we know anyway) called Gunheads, which I reckon will be a DKoK novel.:cool:

Col.Gravis
10-12-2007, 11:14
15 Hours and Rebel Winter I both enjoyed quite a bit, Deathworld not so much.

I have to say too I think it would be a natural progression for a Death Korps book to follow, based on the success of the minature line and the fact even those who dont own them often aspire to own them - I mean who does'nt actually like the Death Korps?!?

Gen.Steiner
10-12-2007, 13:16
I found the whole *a single platoon gets redirected because administratum drone screws up* in 15 hours a bit too far fetched. Doesnt the imperium have some sort of check on processed orders ?

It was a company, not a platoon, and no, the Imperium doesn't have a check like that. It's a huge pan-solar empire with trillions of citizens and billions of soldiers, probably more, it has worlds that pop into and out of its sphere of influence depending on the Warp, it has wars going on that range from Northern-Ireland in the 1990s style engagements to huge sector-spanning conflicts that consume millions of lives a day...

Why would they care about a single company of troops? Or, for that matter, the world that it's sent to?

nazrag
10-12-2007, 15:04
15 hours is boring, thats why I dont like it at least..the only thing I remember from that book is the damned moaning about that damn freecard his grandfather stole...

Deathworld at least had some decent action-scenes in it..

Blood Pacter
27-04-2008, 03:13
I haven't read Desert Raiders but the other three were good i would compare the Vostroyan book to GG of Ciaphas Cain novels

Varath- Lord Impaler
27-04-2008, 03:36
I loved 15 hours, when the kid looks up into the face of the Gretchin...hehehehe


*splat*

VanHel
27-04-2008, 06:04
I didn't mind 15 Hours. I'm reading through Deathworld right now and it's meh. Will probably read the other two books over the summer.

Gen.Steiner
27-04-2008, 08:47
I don't care for Deathworld and I've never felt the inclination to buy Rebel Winter, but that's only because I don't like the Catachan or Vostroyan background. I am rather interested in the sound of 'Gunheads' tho'. :)

T_55
27-04-2008, 09:26
15 Hours was a fantastic read, the environment and conditions they fought in felt genuine. 15 hours probably didn't do the best job in some places but it was unique, filled with all kinds of little niches which made me laugh or intrigued me and for that liked it most amongst those i've read so far.

Rebel Winter was alright, some parts where excellent but at other stages i felt like 'oh great another guard regiment' and some of its ideas lacked flavour and then some scenes where rife with mystery.

I waiting on the uptight Mordians to show for a good laugh, death korps, not so much. Maybe its time for a new regiment.

Varath- Lord Impaler
27-04-2008, 09:45
I waiting on the uptight Mordians to show for a good laugh, death korps, not so much. Maybe its time for a new regiment.

You know this brings to my mind something ive been thinking about.

There are literally millions of Guard regiments in the 40k universe. But each of them seems to work only in certain ways.

The Mordians, for example, would probably make a very boring book (unless you broke from their background) but they make EXCELLENT Art. I still love that picture with the massive line of Mordians going off into the distance.

Tanith make great books, but their art isnt as good as others.

Death Korps have great atmosphere and would make great art, but their actual individual character is nonexistant.

i want more Imperial Guard art, dammit. Some of the stuff weve seen already is great, but i want more.

Imperialis_Dominatus
27-04-2008, 09:54
Which makes them charismatic life-of-the-party types compared to Space Marines :evilgrin:

I have little idea what you're on about, care to elaborate?


Why? Why was bad, and Y awesome?

Sorry to alter your nouns a bit, it's just that I think this is a great question for anyone who says "X sucks, Y is better, *verb* Y and *pejorative verb* X!"


Doesnt the imperium have some sort of check on processed orders ?

So a company goes to a different battlezone... throw another company in the direction you intended the first to go. Problem solved, in the Imperium's view. When you've got near-limitless manpower and resources, little motivation for efficiency from the bottom up, and a metric crapload of gribblies to kill, you've got the Imperium.

T_55
27-04-2008, 09:55
That was my thought as well Varath. Specialised regiments suffer the athema where theres this singular image of how they look, how they should be run and its rather boring to read stock standard, but if you don't do that you run the risk of completely ruining their background i guess. Its part of why the Ghosts could be moulded into a famous regiment so successfully, because they had no original prerequisites, nothing to live upto, you could do what you wish with them.

Then you break from an regiments imagery and suddenly your labelled the next greatest heretic, and then your shot. I think drawing comparisons between regiments can be very entertaining though, part of why i picked the high and mighty mordians. I'd like to see them paired with some savage regiment of a backwater world and being forced to bear with them, slightly comical but i think it'd be nice for a short book.

Gen.Steiner
27-04-2008, 10:16
Don't forget that the Mordians are already in at least one short story, penned by Dan Abnett for the (then new) Tyranid 'dex in late 3rd Edition. :) It involved the last survivor shooting himself in the face with his own lasgun rather than get dissolved by bio-acid and a big load of Space Marines get chopped to bits as well. I forget what it was called...

Commissar Holt
27-04-2008, 11:20
I read Rebel Winter and I enjoyed it. Admittedly, it took me longer to get into it than I have done with, say, the Gaunt's Ghost's books, but I still thoroughly enjoyed it. It was rather gritty once it got going.

The others I have not read though, but I would like to read Fifteen Hours.

Although for anyone interested in the Guard, read the Uplifting Primer, very cool stuff.

srgt. gak
27-04-2008, 11:42
Gen.Steiner, I dont have the book on me write know to check, but I think that story is actually called something like Death and Duty or something along thoose lines. Its in the omnibus Let the galaxy burn for thoose that are interested, Its actually a pretty good read.

The one thing I really enjoy about the guard boooks is how the Emperor is just kind of either overlooked or made fun of. It makes for much more intereting read than most space marine novels. I mean it makes sense that theres going to be a few in a billion of regiments that believe in the cause but not in the god man ideal

Gen.Steiner
27-04-2008, 14:24
I've always thought that the God-Emperor should be stressed a bit more, a la the religious fanatic armies that the world's seen.

Lord Cook
27-04-2008, 16:09
I loved the Gaunts Ghosts and Ciaphus Cain series. I also really enjoyed Rebel Winter, but I wasn't so much a fan of 15 Hours. It was good, but it basically came down to a narrative of the last day of this poor sods life, set against a backdrop of the worst examples of Imperial incompetence. Nothing wrong with the book per se, just utterly depressing. If anyone's seen the film Children of Men, you'll know what I mean.


I still love that picture with the massive line of Mordians going off into the distance.

Agreed. That is such a classic piece of Guard heritage, I dearly wish they would put it into the next codex.


i want more Imperial Guard art, dammit. Some of the stuff weve seen already is great, but i want more.

DeviantART (http://search.deviantart.com/?section=browse&qh=boost%3Apopular+age_sigma%3A24h+age_scale%3A5&q=40k+imperial+guard) has loads of great stuff. A lot is fairly rubbish, but there are plenty of real gems in there.

Guardsmen (http://duffield03.deviantart.com/art/Imperial-Guard-Infantryman-55984862)
Commissar (http://kriegsmachine14.deviantart.com/art/Komissar-68207589)
Pretorian (http://bazazatron.deviantart.com/art/the-imperium-wants-you-27003536)

El Presedente
27-04-2008, 16:31
Guardsmen (http://duffield03.deviantart.com/art/Imperial-Guard-Infantryman-55984862)
Commissar (http://kriegsmachine14.deviantart.com/art/Komissar-68207589)
Pretorian (http://bazazatron.deviantart.com/art/the-imperium-wants-you-27003536)

I've always loved that preatorian one, sadly alot of fan art is done in manga style these days, and for me it just dosn't gel, its lazy and/or self indulgent, and makes me rage, grrrr.

Crazy Ivan
27-04-2008, 21:35
Gen.Steiner, I dont have the book on me write know to check, but I think that story is actually called something like Death and Duty or something along thoose lines. Its in the omnibus Let the galaxy burn for thoose that are interested, Its actually a pretty good read.
Is it the Fall of Malvolion (http://uk.games-workshop.com/tyranids/malvolion/)? It's on the GW website, pretty good story indeed.

I read Rebel Winter, which I liked, but none of the others (except for the Cain novels). Of all the regiments mentioned, I'm surprised there is actually no novel about the usually so ubiquitous Cadians. Is there a story about them anywhere?

Lord Cook
27-04-2008, 22:51
I'm surprised there is actually no novel about the usually so ubiquitous Cadians. Is there a story about them anywhere?

Not that I know of. But Eisenhorn visits Cadia and we get quite a nice look at society in general.

RexTalon
28-04-2008, 06:49
I love my Imperial Guard army. They make my pants tight. But I refuse to read anything written by a certain person (who shall remain nameless), so I don't consider the recent books a series. I think Desert Raiders stood out but was somehow misnamed. Sure, it was about a Tallarn army and occurred in a desert, but it was far too short to carry such an epic title.

With all the Gaunt titles and Cyphus Cain novels, I don't see how you can consider a group of books written by different authors about almost completely unrelated armies a series... (I just know someone's going to apply the HH series to what I just said...)

Gen.Steiner
28-04-2008, 08:44
Is it the Fall of Malvolion (http://uk.games-workshop.com/tyranids/malvolion/)? It's on the GW website, pretty good story indeed.

Yes! That's the one. Poor bloody Mordians. :(

Promethius
28-04-2008, 12:38
The problem with 15 hours was that it read like a poor imitation of a sven hassel novel; the only positive I can say is that it made me pick up one of the hassel books and get a real taste of how depressing warfare is written.

Death World bounced along quite happily but didn't stand out from the crowd for me, although I enjoyed it.

Rebel Winter was very good imo. OK, so not a literary marvel, but it was a great introduction to the Vostroyans and made me much more interested in them as a regiment. the action was good and not ott, and some of the characters were quite likable.

Desert Raiders was completely ruined because I saw the 'twist' after the first couple of introductory pages. Other than that it was quite good.

Of all of them I'd most like to see a sequel to Rebel Winter. As for future regiments to cover, Cadians are a must, and I'd also like to see some Death Korp action and more Elysians (after their appearance in Dark Apostle that almost had me salivating at how cool they were, I'd love to see them featured as the stars).

On a side note, the Mordians are always getting stuffed in the fluff. In the first Last Chancers novel they are getting completely slaughtered until Kage shows them the way...

srgt. gak
28-04-2008, 21:43
Gosh darn son of a grot. I didnt want to buy that bok, but if it has elysians....

MrLiy
29-04-2008, 00:10
Read the first two guants ghosts, and fifteen hours, never quite got into rebel winter...

The ghost novels are very fun in a exciting adventure kinda way...kinda like watching Indiana Jones...you dont expect much social commentary or drama, just a lot of excitement and thrills.

On the other hand 15 hours felt like a cheap starship troopers(the original novel), or all quiet on the western front. Specially how 15 hours attempts to depict the dehumanizing aspects of war. It doesnt surprise me that the imperiums bureaucrats can make grave mistakes, since even the most organized armies of today can lose Soldiers in the paperwork shuffle. (Ask any Soldier about pay problems and you will get an earful)

Overall though I still prefer the IG novels to any marine novel...I find them to be too annoying and self-righteous. The only reason I am reading the heresy books currently is because the horus heresy is such a big part of the overall imperial fluff.

Mike Mikeson
29-04-2008, 01:12
Oh man this thread kinda makes me have to get them, thanks guys .