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Gilded Soul
06-12-2007, 15:00
Should there be one? Personally, I think the book series could make an amazing series of movies- if they were done right. Your opinion?

RobZie
06-12-2007, 15:05
hey man dare to dream, but i wouldn't hold my breath

szlachcic
06-12-2007, 15:11
I have thought about it and think it would make a great movie(s) along with the Eisenhorn and Ravenor series. However, I would also be afraid that it would be in the hands of someone incompetent, and would ruin the story.

Eulenspiegel
06-12-2007, 15:11
What a novel idea! I think I never thought about it, let alone anyone on these Forums!

Go for it, keep posting updates and early production shots please!

FooFighter
06-12-2007, 15:21
Eulenspiegel - I don't think anyone has volunteered yet on this thread for this mammoth task :)

It was a common topic in another Warhammer Forums - basically it boils down to leaving it to your imagination. I have spoken to GW once or twice about this, and they have said that it is generally in their best interests not to do a film. It could mess up the brand name if it were a bad film, and I don't believe they are willing to take such a risk.

k'ron
06-12-2007, 15:36
I have two view points when thinking about the horus heresy as a series of films.

The first point is about how bad it could turn out to be. If the script was badly scripted, acted and had poor special effects it would ruin a story which I have enjoyed so much and damage my views of the excellent background material as I would always remember the terrible film.

However if it was done well with a good script, director, cast etc. it would be amazing and could be good for the hobby by bringing in new players. I can even visualise the cast now...... (probably wouldn't work out too well, but on paper it sounds awesome)

Episode 1: Horus Rising

Director: Ridley Scott
Horus: Arnold Scwharzenegger
Abaddon: Steven Segal
Sanguinus: Jean Claude Van Damme

And staring ....

Chuck Norris as the Emperor of Mankind

They wouldn't even need any marines for the great crusade.

Cosmocrat
06-12-2007, 15:38
Wow, nice to see an entirely new topic which has never been touched on before.

Army Man
06-12-2007, 15:39
Hopefully they wouldn`t hire that Uwe Bolle guy to be the director...

k'ron
06-12-2007, 15:43
Hopefully they wouldn`t hire that Uwe Bolle guy to be the director...

I think we would only have to worry about that one if it was Dawn Of War the movie becuase he only seems interested in making terrible video game movies.

I never understand why film studios hire him because every movie he has ever mad has been terrible.

TheOverlord
06-12-2007, 15:46
K'ron- If those actors were really chosen for the movie, you'd need subtitles for the movie, no one can bloody understand a word they'll be saying.

And for God's sake those are about the 4 worst actors in the world >.< Even if it IS Chuck Norris.

Renagade
06-12-2007, 15:51
I have two view points when thinking about the horus heresy as a series of films.

Episode 1: Horus Rising

Director: Ridley Scott
Horus: Arnold Scwharzenegger
Abaddon: Steven Segal
Sanguinus: Jean Claude Van Damme

And staring ....

Chuck Norris as the Emperor of Mankind

They wouldn't even need any marines for the great crusade.

They wouldn't really need any script with those four, it would be probably best to keep it simple.:evilgrin:

Ren

k'ron
06-12-2007, 15:53
K'ron- If those actors were really chosen for the movie, you'd need subtitles for the movie, no one can bloody understand a word they'll be saying.

And for God's sake those are about the 4 worst actors in the world >.< Even if it IS Chuck Norris.

It wasn't an overly serious suggestion and I suppose your right with the point that they are pretty bad actors. But I think that they are perhaps the 4 best action movie stars even if they're are getting a bit too old now anyway for the big roles.

They could always overdub them like they did with darth vader in Star Wars.

If I was to think about it seriously I think I would like to see relatively unknown actors playing the roles with a well established producer/director in charge. Then I would assoicate the actors with that role rather than ones they may have played in the past.

MoopMoop
06-12-2007, 15:55
Nah... mainly because the beginning narration would either have to be like 15 min long, or the story would remain confusing for most people.

Another thing speaking against a w40k movie is the fact that Uwe Boll hijacks all game-to-film adaptions, and the quality of these adaptions should have earned him the most horrible and painful method of death known to man. Making him watch his own movies would do the trick.

Acutus The Unforgiven
06-12-2007, 16:09
You know what would be good if a movie was ever made doing it Via computer animated. Just imagine the graphics and they would be able to make the caracters look like they like the are detailed in the books.

SharpSilver
06-12-2007, 16:19
Don't think Games Workshop would ever allow it tbh.

Remember that Studio that wasted 20,000 euros on that film and GW Told them to cease.

synapse
06-12-2007, 18:12
ridley scott would be a dream...

is it just me or have i seen this topic somewhere before? ;)

swordwind
07-12-2007, 01:55
I never understand why film studios hire him because every movie he has ever mad has been terrible.

He owns his own studio. I'm not sure of the specifics but if a german made movie flops, the government will pay the investment fees or something like that.

TheMartyr451
07-12-2007, 02:29
Horus - Patrick Stewart
Euphrati Keeler - Milla Jovovich

Thats the only characters I could think of for good matches.

Ridley Scott would also make a good director for the films, he is my favorite. :)

Eulenspiegel
07-12-2007, 02:32
Horus - Patrick Stewart
What the ...
Now I cannot think of any reason why this thread shouldnt go to the Chaos Wastes.

Power Armored Zombie
07-12-2007, 03:33
I thought about this a long time ago

but after seeing transformers (probably one of the best movies i've ever seen) I think it could be done, because clearly we have the technology to make such a movie, bc the effects in transformers were amazing.

Although if it was live action it would be great, I really can't see that happening I think the film would be more akin to Beowulf, FF: Advent Children or the movie listed above.

I dont think the intro would have to be overly long, as anyone seeing it will either already know the story (pretty much EVERY warhammer player would probably go and see this) or it would be a bunch of little kids going to see it because it's huge superhumans fighting eachother.

Some of the pros about it though include:
It would massively promote GW products and bring in huge amounts of new players as said above
GW would be making a bucket load of money from it (if it did well that is)
and
it would just be a great thing to behold

on the other hand:
it could suck and completely be canned
or the project could be given to a horrible director (uwe boll, lol) and the above would happen

I do however doubt this would ever be made, but if it did, i would DEFF see it :)

PAZ

Hellebore
07-12-2007, 03:41
Whether they make a movie or not, this is how I'd do one:

I would do the Horus Heresy in a trilogy (cliched perhaps) told from the perspective of an Imperial Scribe who is cataloguing it in the 41st Millenium (thus acting as narrator and putting the story in 40K perspective).

It would have a narrator voice over at the beginning from this scribe, explaining the existence of the god emperor and his great work.

SCRIBE: Terra, cradle of Mankind and Throne to Lord of us all, The Undying Emperor. It was here that the Blessed race of Man took his first tentative steps into the Void.

These words being scribed onto parchment as a scribe's voice reads them. This is superimposed over an image of the Earth.


As the voice continues to speak the numbers of years climbs higher at an ever increasing rate. As it flies past 2000 we start to see signs of activity. As the decades and centuries pass more and more activity begins to surround the planet. Rockets, shuttles and stations appear then disappear only to be replaced by bigger and better structures. The Green and blue masses of the planet morph into different shapes, more and more land disappears beneath the blue torrent. All the while, the white wisps of clouds appear, move then swirl around the globe at incredible speed.

SCRIBE: Many were the wonders our forebears encountered, and many were the horrors. Xenos filth, upstarts, usurpers possessed all that was Man's by divine right. War was waged, extermination achieved. Humanity prospered, ushering in the Golden Age of Man. Such hubris came at a price, and the follies of those who bent the dark sorceries of science to their wills were destroyed for their arrogance. And so, Man entered his darkest hour, the Age of Strife.

Here we see fading in and out images to accompany the narration, until we get to the earth being wracked with explosions and wars, ships being destroyed in orbit, and the colonies of man degenerating into barbarism.

SCRIBE: It was at our darkest that our brightest light appeared, delivering us from destruction. The God Emperor, Him on Earth, strode the domains of Man, raising us from our barbarism and bringing about a holy age. By his will was the Imperium forged. This is the tale of those times...

We follow the camera now, having flashed through history to the ~29th millenium, down through the atmosphere, across the ruins of ancient cities, the desolation of innumerable wars, and fields of the dead. We zoom to the walls of the Last Bastion, last wall between the Emperor and total dominion of Terra. The wall explodes inwards and the Custodian Guard pour through, killing all before them. Through the smoke and dust strides the Emperor, surrounded with a golden aura. Constantin Valdor strides forward dragging the last TechnoBarbarian chief of Earth to kneel before the Emperor of Mankind.
"It is done my Lord. Your Dominance is assured."
"Excellent Captain." The Emperor turns his gaze to the Barbarian. "Do you surrender yourself to me, to the Imperial Truth? Will you join me in bringing enlightenment to the Galaxy?" The Barbarian chieftain is unbowed, and spits at the Emperor's feet.
"None of my men will follow your falsehoods, daemon! Your death is worth any price." So saying the chieftain leaps forward, powered dagger in hand. A split second look is passed between Valdor and the Emperor, and nodding, Valdor turns his back, as do all the Custodians. The chieftain charges the last 10 feet toward the Emperor, but never makes it.
"So be it." He says, no expression in his voice, just the weight of ages. He raises his hand, and the chieftain lifts into the air. His cries of rage turn to cries of terror as, slowly, the Emperor clenches his fist, and the chieftain slowly crumples, his chest collapsing and his skull shattering. We see a shot over the shoulder of Valdor as blood sprays across his gold pauldron. The shredded corpes slips to the ground almost gently.
"Now Captain. Now my dominance is assured. And the enlightenment of Humanity awaits."


***

The first film would follow the Emperor's conquest of the Sol System, his creation of the primarchs, their subsequent loss and his development of the Space Marines. Horus would be found toward the end of the film and the Great Crusade put in motion (mybe with the origins of some of the other primarchs).

I would film every single primarch's discovery, but put in only a few and leave the rest for the DVD.

The second Film would begin several decades later with the Great Crusade in full swing, Horus the loyal Primarch by the Emperor's side. We would see the finding of the rest of the primarchs, and watch legions of marines and their lords smiting the enemy.

Basically the 2nd film would be one huge extended battlescene, hoping from warzone to warzone, with the interaction of the primarchs for character development (scenes that show the animosity between certain primarchs or Angron's hatred of the Emperor).

Horus becomes the Warmaster about half way through, and the Emperor disappears almost entirely from the film. This is the beginning of the end for Horus.

The Lodge of Davin and Horus' corruption would be the last scene of the film.

The third film would begin with the attack on Istvaan, and show the legions turn traitor.

All the great marine vs marine fights in the background would be in this (Prospero et al), culminating in the storming of horus' battlebarge and the deaths of Sanguinius, the Emperor, and Horus (oh and an Imperial fist terminator and one Olanius Pious).

It would probably end with the Emperor's internment into the golden throne with the other primarchs returning to earth.

I think a fade scene would be cool - showing the grandeur of the 31st Millenium fading to the gothic ruin of the 41st (say, by fading from 31st Terra, to 41st Terra).

And it couldn't be more 40K than to end with the Inquisition storming the scribes quarters and executing him for committing heresy against the god emperor by compiling an account of the Heresy - an account sanctioned 300 years earlier and then rescinded (but of course the termination order had yet to be received by the adept before he finished it ).


CGI would play a big part, I'm talking an ork wavefront in the billions charging across a continent toward an Imperial gunline.

Spaceship battles where 10 km long ships are blown apart etc.

CG is the only way to capture the ridiculous scale of 40k effectively.


And what cooler promo teaser could there be than Orf's O Fortuna playing with a black screen and flashes of carnage interspersed with the tag line:

In the Grim Darkness - of the Far Future - there is only War.


Hellebore

Power Armored Zombie
07-12-2007, 03:58
seriously Hellebore
thats pretty genius

GW should really pitch this project to George Lucas, or someone of his caliber, although i dont want this to be a "PG star wars movie" this should be R or PG-13 atleast, to attract child viewers.

PAZ

Usiel
07-12-2007, 04:45
I think the new James Bond actor Daniel Craig (Casino Royal) would make an excellent Space Marine. Just watch the film then imagine him doing some of the action scenes in Power Armour. (He even has an appropriate Accent)

Usi :skull:

Inquisitor Engel
07-12-2007, 05:13
I've been pushing this since 2003. :P

The problem with creating a Horus Heresy film is picking which Primarchs get emphasized (since, logically, the first movie should be the Great Crusade or pick up somewhere in the middle of it, fighting lots of Chaos and daemons to set things up) and which ones get sidelined as side characters.

The only REAL necessities are Horus, Lorgar, Perturabo, Sanguinius, Dorn, Magnus, Russ and Jonson.

Good side-characters would be Curze, Fulgrim, Corax and Vulkan.

Everyone else shouldn't be any more than side characters. Well, except the Emperor, obviously. For the first one.

My thoughts... are above.

aad
08-12-2007, 20:46
well i would not choose a trilogy.
i would use 4/5maybe 6 films to tell the whole story.

if you do 3 movies it leaves to much answers to the viewers.

lotr is just small in comparison to 40k is so so so so much bigger, greater and larger than life :)


where lotr is:
-fellowship
-ring
-battle
-diferent races
-one yourney

40k gives the:
-emperor
-terra
-primarchs
-solarsystem
-universe
-spacemarines,imperial guards, aliens you name it
-titans(now that would be insane:evilgrin:)
-battlefleets
-intriges
-complots
-battles beyond anything you ever seen
-deamons
-4 chaos gods
etc etc etc.


i love the idea of watching such movies, but i won,t see it happen.
because of all the costs, efforts and troubles it has to make such movies.

plus it would make all sf movies look like crap when they come out after the HH movies.

scratchbuilt
08-12-2007, 20:54
Everyone who wants to see this movie made should send me their money so I can begin work on it.:p

Duoth
08-12-2007, 21:24
Honestly...If GW were to make a movie they should team up with the Blizzard animators or the team that did Beowulf.

I also believe that The Wars for Armageddon would make a better movie series than Horus Heresy, from the stand point that not as much back info is needed for people to understand the story.

The_Patriot
08-12-2007, 21:32
Honestly...If GW were to make a movie they should team up with the Blizzard animators or the team that did Beowulf.

I also believe that The Wars for Armageddon would make a better movie series than Horus Heresy, from the stand point that not as much back info is needed for people to understand the story.

Actually, I would go with the animators who did the LOTR movies because they have experience in doing mass combat of several hundred thousands of soldiers on each side.

If the Horus Heresy was to be done has a series of movies I would recommend going with the Star Wars approach. The first set of movies done from Horus's point of view with the remaining films done from Rogul Dorn's point of view. Horus would be the main character until he falls to Chaos since he commands all of the Imperial forces. Dorn takes his place after Horus betrays the Emperor.

The Orange
08-12-2007, 21:40
I'd like it, but I think their's too much info needed. So the project would be good until they decided to cut it to a 1 1/2 hour film. Then the first film would sink dooming the series. It's just way to epic for the big screen. Maybe a high end TV series though :angel:.

The_Patriot
08-12-2007, 21:47
I'd like it, but I think their's too much info needed. So the project would be good until they decided to cut it to a 1 1/2 hour film. Then the first film would sink dooming the series. It's just way to epic for the big screen. Maybe a high end TV series though :angel:.

Most of the information can be given in the opening narration. Keep in mind that every detail does not have to be shown or covered. Fulgrim's fall wouldn't be germane to the story, but Horus's would. Also the max time can be 3 hours long and due to LoTR people are willing to sit through 3 hour movies that are epic. A TV series would unable to do the story justice since every major event that occurred in the Horus Heresy could be several episodes long in an hour format. Add in commercials each episode would only be 40 minutes long, so a lot of the information will be edited.

The Orange
08-12-2007, 23:36
1. A tv series would have more time to cover the events rather then a move. Supposing 24 half hour episodes, thats 12h as opposed to a max of 3 for a movie (which is more likely going to be cut to the 2h mark).
2. IIRC LoTR only gut up to the 3h mark with the last movie because it was assured to be a money maker tanks to the success of the first 2 movies. (or maybe that was the one that was over 3h :confused:)
3. Hollywood moves usually cut out and re write parts of books to make them fit their time limits. Thats my biggest fear. And I doubt they'd have that much respect for the 40k universe as opposed to say a classic like LoTR. Look at AvP, they were in the arctic, predators like hot environments, I mean common :mad:!
I can just see it now...
"What what do you mean Dorn turned traitor and stabbed the Emperor in the Palace, this is heresy!" (picks up torch and pick fork)

Alessander
08-12-2007, 23:41
can't really do HH without a "present day" 40K film setting first, to introduce the "dark future". Part of the magic of the HH series is realizing how the Imperium has decayed over the past 10k years from Heresy to present day.

... and please don't say "flashbacks".

Grimbad
08-12-2007, 23:54
Speaking of flashbacks and Armageddon, it could be done based around the last few days of Tycho's life, which would get the horus heresy and the 41st millenium both in the same film as Tycho begins hallucinating. Of course, the chaplain would have to do some explaining as unlike in Tycho's hallucinations, Sanguinius didn't actually rip Horus's throat out.

Or, a war movie. It doesn't have to be an epic about a small band of heroes. More of a war movie type of feel would be great, especially if it were set on Armageddon.

garsty3000
09-12-2007, 00:06
i think the right way to show the grapics would be the same way they did beowolf as then we could get the right size marines and not just men in suits as for were to set it maybe do like DoW and make up a new planet and story so everyone is happy :)

ehlijen
09-12-2007, 00:48
It wouldn't really work. Most established stories are too long for action movies or too short to be anything but 'just action' movies. And that'd turn the movie more into a joke movie (predator? starship troopers? anyone?) which would be bad for the IP.

Also, if the prime content of the game (violence, and pretty graphic too) is to be visually captured, it would end up with a pretty strict classification, meaning one of GW's prime target age groups (10-15) wouldn't be able to see the movie. While that hasn't stopped dinosaur toys becoming popular after Jurrasic park, it is still a very real risk of alienating a customer group (or their parents into forbidding them to be customers).

For the Horus heresy specifically: It has too huge of a primary cast, and as of now, there is no high profile role for a female lead character (yes, unfortunately that will make some studio bosses think twice about picking up the movie). And I don't want to see one badly shoehorned into the story just so Angelina or whoever is 'in' at the time can parade around high heels simply because someone thought that's what it took to make people interested in the movie (coughbeowulfcough).

Lt.Bradford
09-12-2007, 01:00
Hellebore, thats insanely...wow.

And the Orks charging the Imperial Gunline.. That would be perfect for a trailer. Just have like sounds then cut to a Marine Seargent shouting "For the Emperor" slowly zooming out o waves of Orks being cut down.

Fangschrecken
09-12-2007, 01:33
heres the solution, we have it made in Baliwood. i would pay to see turban wearing space marines dance/fight each other. you could have the actors sing all the fluff in the fight scenes.

Hellebore
09-12-2007, 01:42
can't really do HH without a "present day" 40K film setting first, to introduce the "dark future". Part of the magic of the HH series is realizing how the Imperium has decayed over the past 10k years from Heresy to present day.

... and please don't say "flashbacks".

This was why I wanted a 41st millenium adeptus scribe 'cataloguing' the heresy. Not only would it show what the imperium became, but it would also couch the whole thing in myth so that you won't necessarily know how accurate the story is.

The outline I gave above was a response to El Presidentae's challenge about how you would do a movie.

Thus I never factored cost, logistics, or feasability into my concept.

That would be how I would do a 40k movie (starting at the beginning).

I would explore the entire heresy, not just select elements. But I would do it the way I outlined.

Hellebore

Power Armored Zombie
09-12-2007, 01:47
This idea is kinda farfetched i guess. But is it possible that we the Warseer Community work on our own script to it. Who knows maybe something will happen to it...but eitherway, it'll be a fun past time

PAZ

spammy86
09-12-2007, 02:43
the only book that I have read in the series that would make a good film is "descent of angels" as it doesnt really touch much on the great crusade, being mainly based around the early life of caliban and therefore shouldnt be too confusing for someone not familiar with the warhammer universe.

infact i gave this book to a friend of mine who has never heard of warhammer and she (yes you heard it, a girl) loved it and could totally understand the book. i then gave her the rest of the books and found them to be alot more confusing as they do require alot more knowledge of the universe as it goes into detail on the great crusade and the astartes and primarches. never the less she really liked them too. i can imagine if a film were made it would be done in the same way Beowulf was done and it would have to be dumbed down for newcomers and therefore lose alot of detail in the translation between book and film. if they were to do a film i would'nt choose the horus heresy as they are too big a franchise. Id pick something simpler which the viewer can understand and learn about warhammer slowly without being pounded to death by all the information that we already know.

I have thought about writing a plot for a series set in necromunda as i think it would be a good place to build from as its fairly understandable for someone not familiar with warhammer. wot'd ya think?

dr.oetk3r
09-12-2007, 03:02
I have thought about it and think it would make a great movie(s) along with the Eisenhorn and Ravenor series. However, I would also be afraid that it would be in the hands of someone incompetent, and would ruin the story.

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