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Grimshawl
20-09-2005, 14:40
on the Specialist Games Blog and via an Email Specialist Games have anounced that all releases that were scheduled or being produced for this year including the overdue Feral Orks for Epic are being delayed until sometime after Christmas, likely in January or Febuary. There will suposedly be only two release dates next year with the second occuring sometime during the summer around July.
I see this as yet more indication of the end of Fanatic and the support of the Specialist Games, I exchanged emails with Andy to this effect, but his replies indicate there is nothing to be done about it. And of course he dutifully toted the company line that nothing is amisss with Specialist Games and the company will take the delayed releases into account when looking at SGs performance/ profit.

StugMeister
20-09-2005, 14:47
Dang.

It annoys me so much because most of the Specialist games are more fun than the Big Three. I remember the good old days of Epic Bat Reps in WD, they were some of the best games!

Seems to me that GW care only about profit and no longer about the games/gamers.

pnweerar
20-09-2005, 15:09
It annoys me so much because most of the Specialist games are more fun than the Big Three.

I hear that brother. I'd say something about the value of spreading risk between products, but that just leads to GW bashing which just saps energy.

I simply can't get over how great a game Mordheim is, once you try warpstone, you can't go back.

Don't even get me going on the beauty of space hulk :)

Navin

t-tauri
20-09-2005, 16:05
That's bad. Some of the nicest stuff GW releases is for Necromunda and Mordheim. :(

fracas
20-09-2005, 17:37
dumb ass GW
going for volume rather than quality

i hope someone buys out specialist and contract back to GW regarding fluff
kinda like forgeworld

The Ape
20-09-2005, 18:59
Um, Forgeworld is owned by GW.

Iv pretty much given up on playing 40k and WFB because of what i consider to be the "tournament-disease" i.e. exploiting the lists to make an all powerful list where the only tactic is to shoot the right target at the right time.

Maybe im just bitter because i keep losing at those two games, but i can handle it if iv lost to superior tactics but not if iv lost to some uber power list.

Iv yet to experience this in Epic:A and hopefully i never will. The armies seem a lot more balanced and whilst the lists are not perfect, there is certainly no where near the same kind of problems as with 40k and WFB.

The cutback in the number of releases is disappointing and means less people are likely to start up these games, which in turn will lead to fewer sales, which will result in fewer releases until they decide to can them altogether.

Griefbringer
20-09-2005, 19:09
It is a pity to see GW neglecting their specialist games branch so badly - there are many good products there. Many a smaller company would be happy to have such material on their hands.

Capitán Sánchez
20-09-2005, 19:22
Sad news. I used to buy SG's stuff to add variety to my troops. :(

Rabid Bunny 666
20-09-2005, 21:50
it is lame, but Sg isn't going away, it sounds by the posts that there isn't gonna be another release

well, lets hope they bring out some hellanice stuff for january
*hopes*

pnweerar
21-09-2005, 03:16
Um, Forgeworld is owned by GW.

Can someone confirm this? I thought they were working under a license from them, same way Armorcast did.

Navin

pnweerar
21-09-2005, 04:22
Answered my own question:

" Q1. Is Forge World part of Games Workshop?

A1. Yes, but we operate as a small (but, perfectly formed) seperate division from the company that makes and sells the main Games Workshop range of products. We are not connected with the US company that used the same name many years back for production of resin WH40K vehicles under licence. "

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/fw_faq.htm

Flashheart
21-09-2005, 07:46
Seems to me that GW care only about profit and no longer about the games/gamers.
I hate what is happening to SG just as much as you do but you have to remember that GW is a company and they would not stay in business if they didn't care about profit.

Captain Mustard
21-09-2005, 08:03
on the Specialist Games Blog and via an Email Specialist Games have anounced that all releases that were scheduled or being produced for this year including the overdue Feral Orks for Epic are being delayed until sometime after Christmas, likely in January or Febuary.

Don't forget though, it's only about 15 weeks until christmas, you'll be able to get your hands on those feral orks pretty soon.

Just thought I'd try and spread some early christmas cheer :D

ironduke
21-09-2005, 08:06
And so starts the end of specialist games
i wonder where GW will be looking for cuts next.

mostholycerebus
21-09-2005, 08:45
"We've cut their budget, cancelled all releases, fired half the team, made the models only available on our websites, banned their play from our stores, and lost 2/3 of the online support when we tried to squeeze five forums into one. And they STILL fail to turn a profit. WTF?"

- GW SG team

Sai-Lauren
21-09-2005, 08:46
And so starts the end of specialist games

Considering specialist is already down to Jervis on his own, I'd say the start's long over and done with.


We are not connected with the US company that used the same name many years back for production of resin WH40K vehicles under licence.

That's probably where the confusion comes in :)
But the head of FW, Tony Cottrell, has been a staff member at GW for many years. He was responsible for the conversion articles way back in the 100 and teens White Dwarves for the Whirlwind, Vindicator, Spartan and Sabre, and the scratch-built Baneblade that followed them a couple of years later. I believe FW was basically his idea, and GW's let him run with it almost as a satellite company.

IIRC, the Specialist Games will basically get a splash in WD, so it would make sense for them to start hording releases to follow those, rather than just release things continually that very few people get to hear about.

The Ape
21-09-2005, 09:54
Why would i lie about Forgeworld being owned by GW?! The fact their premises are right next to Warhammer World and the main HQ, and the fact that GW staff get a discount on Forgeworld (and vice-versa) kind of gave it away.

Its basically a subsidiary of GW PLC. Like Fanatic was/is before it was reamalgamated.

I thought SG was Jervis and one or two others? It seems that they only keep SG around at all as a personal favour to Jervis.

Vogon
21-09-2005, 10:05
Don't forget though, it's only about 15 weeks until christmas,

To put it another way for those of us paid monthly it's just three paydays until Christmas. Now that's scary :eek:

Captain Mustard
21-09-2005, 11:21
Ah, I can almost hear the bells on santa's sleigh.........

boogle
21-09-2005, 11:50
seems a real shame as it's now going to take forever to see any more Necromunda releases (including the infamous Redemptionists)

Sai-Lauren
21-09-2005, 12:03
I thought SG was Jervis and one or two others? It seems that they only keep SG around at all as a personal favour to Jervis.
In it's heyday, it had a fairly large staff (5-10 IIRC), plus the various figure designers from the studio working freelance for them. It's probably kept around now because Jervis is too important a guy to let leave the company.


and the main HQ
Or as the Nottingham cabbies apparently refer to it, "The Reichstag" :D


To put it another way for those of us paid monthly it's just three paydays until Christmas. Now that's scary
Well, autumn starts today and the clocks go back in a months time.

Where's the year gone already? :eek:

rkunisch
21-09-2005, 12:06
Its basically a subsidiary of GW PLC. Like Fanatic was/is before it was reamalgamated.
If I understand it correctly, Forge World is a separate entity (although part of the GW Empire) whereas Specialist Games was only an organizational division.


I thought SG was Jervis and one or two others? It seems that they only keep SG around at all as a personal favour to Jervis.
There is at least also Andy Hall in the team. I still wonder what Rick (Priestley) is doing at the moment. All those Warmaster thingies are his baby and I thought he still has some influence at GW HQ.

Have fun,

Rolf.

boogle
21-09-2005, 12:10
Rick has very little input in the Hobby side of things now, i believe he is very into the business side of things (the last hobby thing he did i believe was the writing of LOTR: FOTR)

rkunisch
21-09-2005, 12:53
Rick has very little input in the Hobby side of things now, i believe he is very into the business side of things (the last hobby thing he did i believe was the writing of LOTR: FOTR)
He was the main force behind BoFA and he made the V2 lists for Warmaster. Although I have to admit that this is already some days ago...

Have fun,

Rolf.

Captain Mustard
21-09-2005, 13:20
There is at least also Andy Hall in the team.

The Team currently consists of 2 guys, one of whom is the talented Andy Hall. The other member of their team is the web guy Keith, Jervis occasionally pops up, but more as a kind of figure head/celeb.......
They rely heavily on articles submitted by hobbyists like us, so it's a good place to get things published, just follow their submission guidlines on the website. :)

Malakai
22-09-2005, 13:42
Specialist Games isn't going to go away. There will always be living rulebooks for them online unless GW wishes to re-release certain games. At worst I see ForgeWorld taking over production of rulebooks and miniatures before GW drops them completely.



Malakai

ironduke
23-09-2005, 09:12
To put it another way for those of us paid monthly it's just three paydays until Christmas. Now that's scary :eek:

Damn you! why did you have to remind me u...."grumbles"

Griefbringer
23-09-2005, 10:50
As for Rick Priestley, wasn't he also responsible for the recent Warmaster Ancients release?

Grimlaw
23-09-2005, 12:25
seems a real shame as it's now going to take forever to see any more Necromunda releases (including the infamous Redemptionists)

Why not use miniatures from other GW ranges (and other miniature companies), to fulfill your requirements. I have converted a few VOID miniatures to make what I need, and they look great.

I have managed to convince some of my local players that they need not fear the "official GW police", if they don't use the "official" miniature.

I was looking at my Necromunda colection today, and thinking about how well they will fit in with a few games of 2nd edition 40K that I intend playing soon.

Agent Brown
24-09-2005, 09:17
As for Rick Priestley, wasn't he also responsible for the recent Warmaster Ancients release?
That's right. He pops up all the time on the two Warmaster Ancients forums on Yahoo groups. Answers questions, listens to players gripes abut the game and, heavens above!, sometimes puts in rules fixes when he agrees with us. Great bloke.
Of course, it only works because he's dealing with a fairly small group of dedicated contributors.