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Hoshi No Koe
20-09-2005, 16:39
There was a little tidbit on this page
http://oz.games-workshop.com/games/40k/blacktemplars/extras/teaser/default.htm

Which spiked my interest. Under High Marshal Helbrecht's description, there's a mention of a warpspawned vampire.
Now I'm aware there were rules for vapires back in rogue trader, but I'm interested in their actual nature within the 40K fluff. Are they a type of daemon, a warp entity or closer to their more traditional nature in fantasy.
I would also like to know how they would translate on the battlefield and fluff in how they could instigate a conflict or lead a faction if it is at all possible fluffwise.

Xhalax
20-09-2005, 16:44
Although I was unaware of such things until I read this thread...I'd hazard a guess at it being either some type of Daemon or a warp entity rather than anything that goes towards the more traditional fantasy type vampire.

True the general dynamics of them might be the same in some resecpts....sucking of blood. But I'd imagine that to be the only or a small number of similarities.

But considering that even sci-fi incorperated aspects of fantasy into it....i guess it wouldn't be utterly impossible for this 'warp-spawned vampire' to be something akin to a fantasy vampire either.

Battle-wise. I think I'd go with something like the special rules for Mephiston. With you rolling to see if he stops to drink from his victims or not.

Lord-Warlock
20-09-2005, 18:17
Officially, there's Karlois from Necromunda - whom I always viewed as a Warp Entity in a human host, requiring life-force and psychic energy (in the material form of blood) to survive.

Unofficially, there's the entire race I and several others have been working on for the last few years on the Inquisitor Conclave (http://www.specialist-games.com/inquisitor/forum_b/default.asp). Do a search for Dark Imperium and you'll see the fruits of several years of fluff-heresy and madness...

Terminatorphoenix
20-09-2005, 19:05
fluff heresy?
madess?

i should strike you down for heresy against the dark emperor of blood!!

Jo Bennett
20-09-2005, 21:51
I'm amazed no-one has tried to work vampires into the genestealer cult fluff

Inquisitor Maul
20-09-2005, 21:51
Vampires? *COUGH*Mephiston*COUGH*

Rabid Bunny 666
20-09-2005, 21:55
the blood angels in general, daemonhosts and daemons, but you do get those odd death cults, but they aren't technically vamps

Lockjaw
21-09-2005, 03:35
they could have been from a vampire virus, i thought i read that somewhere, maybe i'm thinking something else though

Alco Engineer
21-09-2005, 03:41
I beleive in Inquisitor some of the characters could have the trait Vapyrism which was basically sucking peoples blood to regain health. Although it's rare does that mean it's even high in the Imperium and we possibly have some vampire inquistors in the upper echilons of the imperiium

Lord-Warlock
21-09-2005, 05:47
fluff heresy?
madess?

i should strike you down for heresy against the dark emperor of blood!!

Another Conclaver, eh? Join the ranks, Charax is about here somewhere... Oh, and I am Drazh. Strike me down, will ya? :p

And yes, Mephiston does have obvious Vampiric traits. On the bright side he's not suffering from the blood rage... The smell of heresy is strong about that one :evilgrin:

Blood-sects, death-cults and the like are mostly just wannabe vamps, much like some people we have today, haemavores and the like. That said, 40K cults can get pretty weird. And who knows what (relatively) innocent-looking death cult is actually tainted and do have true Vampiric powers...?

Iuris
21-09-2005, 06:59
I remember one mention of vampires in 40K. In an unrelated bit of fluff, when discussing previous activities, someone was mentioned to have eliminated a "vampire of khorne". I don't remember the bit of fluff, it was only a single sentence.

Other vampiric elements are associated with Mephiston, Blood angels and successor chapters (as an organ disfunction) and, of course, the C'tan.

Iuris
21-09-2005, 07:13
Heh, I can't believe it: just looked at the teaser on the rumours page, and the story about Hellbrecht includes a reference to "warp spawned vampire" he defeated. I think this may have been the original bit fo fluff I cited, but I'm 100% sure the original reference was a "vampire of Khorne".

When Black Roses Bloom
21-09-2005, 13:46
Vampires? *COUGH*Mephiston*COUGH*


*COUGH*Sanguinius*COUGH*

Marcus Stigmatus
21-09-2005, 15:47
Yes, Blood Angels allegedly are all pale and lust for blood. It is the first thing one learns about them.

precinctomega
21-09-2005, 16:07
I'm surprised that Drazh/Lord_Warlock hasn't posted the link, but if you follow the link in my sig, and then the link to "Codex: Dark Imperium" you'll find the utterly and completely unofficial but nevertheless very cool resource that everyone's hinting about.

I believe the original inspiration for the OLRP thread set that led to the Dark Imperium was an article on Vampire Gangs in Necromunda. I have the old copy of Gang War in which it appeared somewhere in my big box of "stuff to sell on eBay when I buy my new digital camera".

R.

Hoshi No Koe
21-09-2005, 16:35
I'm aware of all the vampire like factions that are spread throughout the 40K fluff, but I'm actually looking for the Rogue Trader description of warp vampires. I think Brusilov posted it once back on Portent. I think that would be what Helbrecht defeated.

Inquisitor Mikarovic
21-09-2005, 17:12
Page 168 of the Inquisitor rulebook has a bit o' background about a group of "people" called Haemovores. They're cannibals, absorbing the power of those they consume, believing that humanity's power should be concentrated within a chosen few.

They're quite a messed up bunch. :eyebrows:

They're not quite Vampires, but their existance in the 40K background definately makes vampires possible (pretty much anything is possible in 40K, but it's nice to have as much confirmation as you can get). As previously mentioned there's Karloth Valois from Necromunda, who has a definate Vampire vibe, and the suspiciously elongated canines of Mephiston...

Lord-Warlock
21-09-2005, 17:53
I'm surprised that Drazh/Lord_Warlock hasn't posted the link...

Meh, I'm too modest for that kind of an obvious plug :rolleyes: Besides, the whole save as business would mean a lot of aching heads.

The only true and official Vampire is Karloth Valois as far as I'm concerned, and maybe Mephiston but I'm not too up to date with his background.

Khaine's Messenger
21-09-2005, 21:18
Now I'm aware there were rules for vapires back in rogue trader, but I'm interested in their actual nature within the 40K fluff.

As "vampire" is pretty much reduced to some sort of parasitic leech in the modern vernacular, the nature of one's vampire could vary considerably, as Xhalax noted. You've got all sorts. Blood-drinkers, "bio-etheric energy" stealers, psychic vampires (no doubt some other form of predatory warp creature than your standard daemon or enslaver), etc. None of them would be relegated specifically to being called "vampires" except by way of description, though, any more than a Bloodletter is a "daemon."


Are they a type of daemon, a warp entity or closer to their more traditional nature in fantasy.

That depends on what you think their traditional nature is. IIRC, their traditional nature is that they are some sort of daemon in human form, or a human who has made a very specific set of pacts with a daemon/devil (for example, Dracula from Van Helsing), is born under the wrong signs (that is, it is the will of the gods/a bizarre mutation), etc. In WHFB, vampires (or the original ones at least) became the way they were, iirc, after consuming an elixer that plunged their soul into the aethyr where they were swarmed by daemons, causing them to "come back" with way more baggage than they left when they went on their astral trip, and so forth....


I would also like to know how they would translate on the battlefield

That depends on the nature of their existance and the manner in which they feed. If they can guzzle down their fill (of whatever) in a few seconds, then representing them in battle (well, in 40k) would probably be as simple as adding the Kroot Eaters of the Dead rule to whatever else you've got going. And then there's the manner in which they will even go to battle....in units, by themselves, etc.? And then there are their general abilities and weaknesses. Ridiculous strength (when properly fed), ridiculously hard to kill, polymorph self and gaseous form, all sorts of wierdness. A well-orchestrated unit of classical vampires (or modern vampires, who are ocassionally more over-the-top than Space Marines) would make Space Marines lose control of their bowels, no doubt. This is why vampires are usually portrayed as very selfish creatures with little desire towards cooperation or subservience...so they can be easier to defeat with "teamwork."


and fluff in how they could instigate a conflict or lead a faction if it is at all possible fluffwise.

Pick a random 40k goodguy w/ dark secret or super-evil badguy/peon and give him vampiric abilities. At best you'll get a few cosmetic differences and minor behavioral modifications. There shouldn't be much of a major change, because 40k is kinda all about this sort of supernatural terror....from one perspective, vampires are probably quite simply tame compared to other supernatural horrors roaming about the place, and as such would fade into the background and just become obscure lore (a threatening supernatural entity of any stripe is still a threatening supernatural entity...).

Marcus Stigmatus
22-09-2005, 06:47
This is quote from Wikipedia (http://www.wikipedia.org):


Like many of the special, non-Codex (that is, those who don't strictly adhere to the basic rules of the Space Marines) Chapters of Space Marines, the Blood Angels have an underlying theme for the army- they bear a striking resemblance to vampires. They generally have pale skin, and a strong urge to drink the blood of their enemies, often this manifests as another flaw known as the Red Thirst.

As for the psychic vampires, well the biggest one sits on Golden Throne.

BaronDG
22-09-2005, 09:05
From what I remember, they had a large, bat-like shape and an ordinary human one and they had the ability to created zombies. The entry wasn't very long...

Drasanil
22-09-2005, 16:36
Well when you think about it dark eldar, are more or less soul-vampires, and I'm sure some of the more powerfull lords could probably be passed off as full blown vamps...

Black Librarian
23-09-2005, 10:24
There's a mention of "Warp Vampires" in the rulebook. As I understand, they are warp-spawned creatures that possess a (psyker) host, and then seek out and drink blood in order to sustain the aforementioned host.

According to the old Critical Hit BA fluff, when BA are recruited they ingest geneseed by drinking a chalice filed with blood from every other member of the chapter, and are then confined to a coffin for a year while the geneseed takes effect, much the same as those Space Wolves who are sent out into the wild.

Jaq Draco
23-09-2005, 14:30
back in the rogue trader days there was vampires, and i think in early forms, the ratling snipers of the imperial guard could be given specie specific toxin bullets

which included
genestealer specific
tyranid specific
Skaven specific :wtf:
and
Vampire specific

so they were there kinda

Easy E
23-09-2005, 22:10
The Rogue Trader Vampire was in fact a warp entity. I will try and dig out my old rulebook this weekend and tell you more.

I belive they were one of the warp entities with a dual nature similar to the Warp (Astral) Hounds. They existed in the material universe, but also had a warp presence.

That, or they were warp entities only that would leech off the psychic power of an untrained psyker. I can't remeber which.

Aaaaargh!

Kage2020
23-09-2005, 23:00
I cannot help but think of the novels by... Darned, forgot his name. The general premise was that there was a difference between 'vampires' and 'true vampires', i.e. Wamphyri. That's it, Brian Lumley. Perhaps a point of inspiration here when coupled with the premise of a 'warp host'.

Kage

Sgt John Keel
25-09-2005, 18:57
I'm quite sure there's a mention of Vampires infesting Space Hulks somewhere. I've got a distinct feeling that I've read it some time.

/Adrian

Bauglir
26-09-2005, 06:58
Blood Angels are not vampires! They are berserker warriors with a fetish for blood and blood sacrifice, which is something quite different. They take no nourishment from blood, nor do they share any other vampirish trait (except slightly larger canines, but so do Space Wolves).

Master Fulgrim
26-09-2005, 10:24
Marines can take norishment from all organic substances, includig blood. Also they have an malfunction of the Ormophagea, wich turns them Blood-junkees. And this let them become vampires.

Fulgrim

Easy E
26-09-2005, 21:32
The Rogue Trader Vampire was in fact a warp entity. I will try and dig out my old rulebook this weekend and tell you more.

I belive they were one of the warp entities with a dual nature similar to the Warp (Astral) Hounds. They existed in the material universe, but also had a warp presence.

That, or they were warp entities only that would leech off the psychic power of an untrained psyker. I can't remeber which.

Aaaaargh!

Yes, I just quoted myself!

Unfortunately, I forgot to look up the "facts" this weekend. I am shamed.

Marcus Stigmatus
27-09-2005, 08:00
They are also pale. Further more they do become stronger (or something) by drinking blood.

Phunting
27-09-2005, 08:57
The Rogue Trader Vampire was in fact a warp entity. I will try and dig out my old rulebook this weekend and tell you more.

I belive they were one of the warp entities with a dual nature similar to the Warp (Astral) Hounds. They existed in the material universe, but also had a warp presence.

That, or they were warp entities only that would leech off the psychic power of an untrained psyker. I can't remeber which.

Aaaaargh!Don't have it on me either, but they were definitely warp entities, although to quite what extent I forget.

They also had/have the power to psychically control others, hence the scenario suggestion of a Vamp holed up in a castle protected by it's thralls (though that may have been in the 40k section of Warhammer siege not Rogue Trader)

Phunting
27-09-2005, 09:06
Blood Angels are not vampires! They are berserker warriors with a fetish for blood and blood sacrifice, which is something quite different. They take no nourishment from blood, nor do they share any other vampirish trait (except slightly larger canines, but so do Space Wolves).Well that depends on your definition of Vampire. As Vampires are mythical creatures, I think it is reasonable to take anything that resembles them as much as the BAs to be close enough.

I mean Mephistion had the same stats as a Vampire lord, long teeth, pale, drank blood and has a habit of conducting mission briefings by saying "vun tactical sqvad ah ah ah... Two tactical sqvads ah ah ah..."

Well maybe not the last bit, but in my mind he does...

Bauglir
27-09-2005, 10:28
Well that depends on your definition of Vampire. As Vampires are mythical creatures, I think it is reasonable to take anything that resembles them as much as the BAs to be close enough.

I mean Mephistion had the same stats as a Vampire lord, long teeth, pale, drank blood and has a habit of conducting mission briefings by saying "vun tactical sqvad ah ah ah... Two tactical sqvads ah ah ah..."

Well maybe not the last bit, but in my mind he does...

Aw, come on :) . Blood Angel fluff in no way compare them to regular vampires. They have a martial connection to blood, like many warrior cults do; not the "gothic" vampiric background. They don't assault virgins, they don't feed on blood alone, they don't shapeshift into bats and they don't fear garlic. Mepthiston may have blonde hair, pale skin and slightly larger canines, but he drinks the blood of his enemies spilled in combat in the name of Sanginius and not from a neatly opened jugular vein. You can't just cherrypick from the endless dozens of vampiric traits, find some similiarities and proceed to yell vampire.

You might as well say that Sanguinius had wings, he is often depicted with a halo, had an angelic beauty and smashed deamons, while the marines themselves enjoy art, long robes and often have golden, curly hair. Therefore they must be angels!

MvS
27-09-2005, 11:16
I know what you are saying Bauglir, but the Blood Angels are more than just warriors with a 'blood fetish', their geneseed it actually tainted to make them bloody-handed psychopaths at its absolute worst, as embodied in the Black Rage.

Granted it depends on which area of the imagery you choose to follow most closely. In some places it seems to suggest that the Black Rage is just a flashback to Saguinius's last battles against a Bloodthirster and/or Horus. Other places (notably the Bloodquest series and some of the 'fluff' for the Armageddon campaign and here and there in the Inquisition army books), suggest that the taint in the Blood Angels geneseed is even more sinister than that, with them becoming raging psychopaths who kill indiscriminately and resort to cannibalism if taken by the Rage strongly enough.

I guess the big question would be whether the Blood Angels are as they are because of some 'normal' mutation or flaw in their geneseed or because of some Chaos-taint in their geneseed. In the first case then I guess the Blood Angels have some kind of extreme hormone imbalance and nuerological dysfunction that makes them them psychotic maniacs when under acute stress. In the latter case the Blood Angels may well be considered somewhat vampiric because of the magical/demonic connection of the Warp in their psychotic rage.

If they turn into raging, blood-drinking cannibals, not just deliberately as part of some quasi-religious or martial tradition, nor yet because they need to drink blood to survive (as one might say a more 'classical' vampire would), and instead go psycho because they are filled with a supernatural rage and hatred for their enemies, luxuriating in the utter destruction and even consumption of their foes, then I think it would be fair to say that if they are not 'true' vampires in the Count Dracula sense, then at least they could be considered slightly Chaos-tainted super-humans with some vampiric tendencies... ;)

On a side note, in earlier imagery for the Blood Angels - and I'm talking about stuff over 10 years old now - they were referred to as vampires in the more traditional sense. They were supposedly all beautiful, intelligent beings but with an irrespressable need to consume human blood. Guess they've mellowed with age though.

Sephiroth
27-09-2005, 12:45
On a side note, in earlier imagery for the Blood Angels - and I'm talking about stuff over 10 years old now - they were referred to as vampires in the more traditional sense. They were supposedly all beautiful, intelligent beings but with an irrespressable need to consume human blood. Guess they've mellowed with age though.

Hey! They still are! It's just that with the last Codex, seems the development chose to focus on the blood-crazed madman aspect, rather than the tragic beautiful-but-tainted imagery, which is a shame. :(

Wolflord Havoc
27-09-2005, 13:13
Bauglir Wrote:


Blood Angels are not vampires! They are berserker warriors with a fetish for blood and blood sacrifice, which is something quite different. They take no nourishment from blood, nor do they share any other vampirish trait (except slightly larger canines, but so do Space Wolves).

Ah yes but the Space wolves have genetically alterered their DNA to give them Wolf like fangs in order for them to be able to bite into beer cans thus saving time in a combat situation so that they can drink and fiight at the same time (after all have you ever tried to lift a ring pull on a beer can wearing power armor gauntlets?)

Marcus Stigmatus
27-09-2005, 13:27
On a side note, in earlier imagery for the Blood Angels - and I'm talking about stuff over 10 years old now - they were referred to as vampires in the more traditional sense. They were supposedly all beautiful, intelligent beings but with an irrespressable need to consume human blood. Guess they've mellowed with age though.
Hey! They still are! It's just that with the last Codex, seems the development chose to focus on the blood-crazed madman aspect, rather than the tragic beautiful-but-tainted imagery, which is a shame. :(
Game developers do it all the time. They water down some statements because someone might be offended. I change any and all details regarding any fantasy setting and I suggest you do the same. Take whatever reading you like. I like the idea that in 40K Vampires, not Dwarves or Elves, are on the side of the Empire. If you don't like it... well don't read it like that.

Starchild
27-09-2005, 16:02
No, the "Vampyre" in the Rogue Trader book is not a warp entity. It is a tall humanoid creature with the face and wings of a bat. (Think of a cross between a bat and Nosferatu and you'll have the right idea.)

Apparently Vampyres can change their forms at will to resemble other humanoids. They have powerful psychic abilities, including mind control. For all intents and purposes, according to the Rogue Trader book, there are vampires in Warhammer 40,000. :eek:

Strictly Commercial
27-09-2005, 20:37
They are also pale. Further more they do become stronger (or something) by drinking blood.

Not exactly. They don't drink it to gain its benefit. They use machines called exsanguinators to process it and turn it into a curative solution, which is how the sanguinary high priest heals Marines potentially better than a narcethium (sp?). There was a codex somewhere that spoke of blood drained corpses following a Blood Angel assault of which this turned out to be the explanation.

I think the reason Mephiston drinks the blood of his enemies is because of an age old warrior tradition of licking a fallen enemy's blood from your blade to show the fight was done. Blood, if ingested, will make one very nauseous, so it wouldn't have been performed until the exhaustive act of combat was finished. Because of the Ormophagea gland present in all Marines, however, Mephiston can do this in the middle of a fight and still keep swinging his blade.

Of course there's probably some intentional vampire reference but I wouldn't say this is intended to say they are vampires, any more than saying the wolf references makes the SW into lycanthropes. I think the imagery is just used to keep within the gothic element of 40K.

Hoshi No Koe
27-09-2005, 21:32
No, the "Vampyre" in the Rogue Trader book is not a warp entity. It is a tall humanoid creature with the face and wings of a bat. (Think of a cross between a bat and Nosferatu and you'll have the right idea.)

Apparently Vampyres can change their forms at will to resemble other humanoids. They have powerful psychic abilities, including mind control. For all intents and purposes, according to the Rogue Trader book, there are vampires in Warhammer 40,000. :eek:

This is what I was looking for. I think this is also what Hellbrecht is reffering to. I'd like to know some more about this.

malika
27-09-2005, 23:13
What about the Dark Eldar and the C'tan? Couldnt you consider them to be vampires to a certain extend?

Phunting
28-09-2005, 08:52
No, the "Vampyre" in the Rogue Trader book is not a warp entity. It is a tall humanoid creature with the face and wings of a bat. (Think of a cross between a bat and Nosferatu and you'll have the right idea.)

Apparently Vampyres can change their forms at will to resemble other humanoids. They have powerful psychic abilities, including mind control. For all intents and purposes, according to the Rogue Trader book, there are vampires in Warhammer 40,000. :eek:Hmm, I could have sworn it was in the Warp Entity section, but I stand corrected then...

Phunting
28-09-2005, 08:53
Game developers do it all the time. They water down some statements because someone might be offended. I change any and all details regarding any fantasy setting and I suggest you do the same. Take whatever reading you like. I like the idea that in 40K Vampires, not Dwarves or Elves, are on the side of the Empire. If you don't like it... well don't read it like that.In the end Bauglir, this is my stance on it too. BAs are as good as Vampires as far as I'm concerned. But each to their own...

Marcus Stigmatus
28-09-2005, 14:46
They are also pale. Further more they do become stronger (or something) by drinking blood.
Not exactly. They don't drink it to gain its benefit. They use machines called exsanguinators to process it and turn it into a curative solution, which is how the sanguinary high priest heals Marines potentially better than a narcethium (sp?). There was a codex somewhere that spoke of blood drained corpses following a Blood Angel assault of which this turned out to be the explanation.

I think the reason Mephiston drinks the blood of his enemies is because of an age old warrior tradition of licking a fallen enemy's blood from your blade to show the fight was done. Blood, if ingested, will make one very nauseous, so it wouldn't have been performed until the exhaustive act of combat was finished. Because of the Ormophagea gland present in all Marines, however, Mephiston can do this in the middle of a fight and still keep swinging his blade.

Of course there's probably some intentional vampire reference but I wouldn't say this is intended to say they are vampires, any more than saying the wolf references makes the SW into lycanthropes. I think the imagery is just used to keep within the gothic element of 40K.

This was taken from Game Workshop's site.


Phase 8 Omophagea. This is a complicated implant. It really becomes part of the brain, but is actually situated within the spinal cord between the cervical and thoracic vertebrae. Four nerve sheaths called neuroclea are implanted between the spine and the preomnoral stomach wall. The omophagea is designed to absorb genetic material generated in animal tissue as a function of memory, experience or innate ability. This endows the Marine with an unusual survival trait. He can actually learn by eating. If a Marine eats a part of a creature, he will absorb some of the memories of that creature. This can be very useful in an alien environment. Incidentally, it is the presence of this organ which has created the various flesh eating and blood drinking rituals for which many Chapters are known, as well as giving the names to Chapters such as the Blood Drinkers, Flesh Tearers etc.

So they do drink blood at least according the latest fluf. Also from GW site.


In some Chapters, mutation of gene-seed, poor surgical procedure, or inadequate post-operative conditioning, has twisted the functioning of implants. For example, the omophagea gene-seed of the Blood Drinkers has mutated so that all Blood Drinkers have an unnatural craving for blood.

Sgt John Keel
28-09-2005, 19:29
So they do drink blood at least according the latest fluf. Also from GW site.

Yes, but you doesn't have to be a Vampire if you drink blood. I doubt they drink it as sustenance.

That said, they're vampires in my mind, although only nominally so.

/Adrian

Easy E
28-09-2005, 22:29
No, the "Vampyre" in the Rogue Trader book is not a warp entity. It is a tall humanoid creature with the face and wings of a bat. (Think of a cross between a bat and Nosferatu and you'll have the right idea.)

Apparently Vampyres can change their forms at will to resemble other humanoids. They have powerful psychic abilities, including mind control. For all intents and purposes, according to the Rogue Trader book, there are vampires in Warhammer 40,000. :eek:

I don't recall the entity being referred to as a "Vampyre", but as for the shape-changing I don't know. I will have access to my Rulebook tonight and can hopefully remember to get the definitive answer!

Hoshi No Koe
29-09-2005, 11:04
Could someone post the rogue trader description for them or would that be a breach of IP?

Strictly Commercial
06-10-2005, 02:41
This was taken from Game Workshop's site.



So they do drink blood at least according the latest fluf. Also from GW site.

Yes, as do all Marines. What I was arguing was that they do not regain health by drinking it.

Easy E
17-10-2005, 22:49
Better late than never....

Per RT Rulebook [brackets indicate RT Era rules removed or interpreted]:

The ancient legends of Old Earth were for long ages discrdited as invention, folklore, and myth. The reality, however, was to prove more disturbing. Vampires are polymorphic entities able to change their metabolism in order to resemble tge creatures amongst whom they live. Their natural shape (if such it can be called) is bat-like, although aproximately human sized. Vampires exist within the socieites of most established intelligent races, regarding even fellow vampires as threatening rivals. They have no home world. Where they evolved and why they have come to occupy a parasitic position within alien socieities is unknown.

Vampires live amongst their chosen race after the manner of that race, and cannot easily be singled out. They have psychic powers of a level comparable to humans. Vampires maintain their lives by absorbing the life-force of other creatures, acheived by prolonged physical contact. (a simple combat blow will not suffice). [edited out some rules related stuff, that has no bearing on this edition. An interesting aside is that a victim may recover "life-force" is they are not killed through rest.] Fortunately, Vampires can derive some sustenance by normal eating and drinking, and so only require a little stolen vitality to survive.

If a victim is completely drained, it maybe revivied as a zombie- a will less servant completely under the Vampire's control. Zombiesare corpses, and will slowly rot and decay until their usefullness becomes somewhat limited. Creating a zombie is not something casually undertaken.

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The Vampire must drain [a small amount of Life-Force] from a living host every day. If this is not done Vampires will lapse into a catatonic state and can only be revived by the sacrifice of a member of the host race conducted over their sleeping form. To drain its victims a vampire must establish a close physical contact with the host over a period of at least a minute.

Vampires amy have psychic powers. These are determined the same way as for humans. [Edited meaningless rules]

Shape Changing is a natural ability of vampires, they are able to assume the shape of any familiar human sized creature. The transformation takes up a [short time] to complete. Once transformed the vampire gains physical abilities associated with the creature such as being able to fly, swim, hover, etc. The Vampire does not gain any of the creatures psychic powers or special attacks. The vampire's characteristics remain unchanged.

Hellebore
18-10-2005, 06:34
Easy E, you didn't mention the lovely picture to accompany that piece of fluff ;).

The picture for those interested shows a humanoid bat creature with membranous wings attached to its arms, and the classic pig nose and large ears.

I don't mind alien vampiric creatures, or daemonic possessions in need of blood, but what I hate....nay...LOATHE is all the vampire fanboy wannabes trying to shoehorn Lestat and Dracula in to 40k. 40k is great enough as it is without have evil under empires run by vampire lords who secdretly control the imperium.

I went a bit ballistic on a previous thread regarding elves, and the incessant demands of people wanting them to be superior and 'tolkien-perfect'.

I have the same sort of aversion to vampires. There are very strong parallels between elves and vampires in peoples opinions as they have great powers and that 'cool' image.

I however, dislike one thing being put above all others, and so do not like the concept of Ann Rice empires ruling the Imperium from underneath.

Give me Gervalianek reavers that are 3.5 feet tall and chew through people to drink blood as it is what they require to live, but please, leave Anne Rice and her gothbotherers at home.

hellebore

Barbarossa
18-10-2005, 07:17
Here is another little tidbit that I remember from Rogue Trader. There was a chapter that basically contained mission scenarios and reasons for your force to fight.
If I remember correctly, it said that these vampires were taking on mannerisms and even ways of thinking from their host race and it would be possible that a vampire would take his thralls and army to kick, say, a genestealer cult out of his territory like a human lord would.