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Mad Doc Grotsnik
26-12-2007, 17:33
Right, it would appear GW aren't going to concentrate on Specialist Games anymore, or at the very least for the time being.

So, a question, and a subject for discussion as well.....

Do other companies offer suitable proxies for Specialist Games models? In particular, I'm interested in putting together more Man'O'War fleets.

And now for the subject for discussion!

Would GW ever lease out the moulds for Specialist Games to a third party? Imagine if a smaller games company could get a license off GW to produce old Epic, ManoWar etc models. I see this as being a win win situation for GW really, as it might keep some older gamers in the loop, and thus, more likely to want a new Fantasy or 40k army from time to time.

Is this something we could petition GW for? Don't get me wrong, I know petitions are about as much use as Anne Franks Drumkit, but it could get the idea rolling around....

EmperorNorton
26-12-2007, 18:07
Do other companies offer suitable proxies for Specialist Games models?

There are plenty of options for Blood Bowl, the game that drew me into the GW hobby. Shadowforge, Heresy and Impact! Miniatures offer great alternatives, a lot of which I prefer to the originals.

No idea about Man'o'War, though. Sorry.

Llew
26-12-2007, 18:10
I'd love to see them farm out support for the games they no longer can be bothered with.

Heck...I'm tempted to try to scale up Man O' War to work with those silly plasticard ships.

Splagbot
26-12-2007, 18:27
Would GW ever lease out the moulds for Specialist Games to a third party?

Sadly I think the answer to that question is no, I don't know why but it just doesn't seem like their thing, generally speaking they like to go it alone and do their own thing and I do get the feeling that sometimes GW view the specialist games as a millstone around their necks to be honest.

Now that's not to say that it wouldn't be a good idea and I do feel that it could help to drag new people into the hobby, especially as the specialist games have always been more pick up and play than 40K and WFB, letting other companies make the models and sell the games through say indie stores would IMHO be a very good move, both from a financial and gaming point of view.


Is this something we could petition GW for? Don't get me wrong, I know petitions are about as much use as Anne Franks Drumkit, but it could get the idea rolling around....

Well you are right in so much as a petition likely wouldn't do any good, however it wouldn't harm and like you say it could put the idea out there for someone to use and possibly take forward.

Mad Doc Grotsnik
26-12-2007, 18:48
i really think it could work as a business proposition.

Essentially, the company eithers pays GW a standing lease fee for each year, or agrees to take only X% of the profit margin. Might seem like a limited appeal, but as this small company won't be selling it in GW stores, and thus, doesn't have the overheads, keeping prices as they are would likely offer GW the same amount of profit, and the smaller company would get a nice income to support there own products.

But then, I'm no economist and have all the business acumen of a small, dead rat thats been run over by a Granny Wagon....

Griefbringer
26-12-2007, 19:02
I am afraid that GW management would be too worried about "losing control" over the said games, or alternatively would want to make the terms so strict that few companies would be willing to take the bait.

I think the last time GW lisenced out a game was with WFRP to Hogshead, who did a pretty decent job when it came to the quality of material.

His Master's Voice
26-12-2007, 19:06
FW would be the perfect way to reinvent the old games without licensing anything (GW would probably commit a seppuku before licensing anything). They already do a fine range of Epic models along with Aeronautica fliers. Imagine what they would do with Necromunda gangs or Inqusitor scale models...

BTW FW seems to be listening to it's customer base in terms of what they produce. If people start to ask them about more Epic models they may well do them...

Killgore
26-12-2007, 19:18
ForgeWorld have already proved they can produce a profit making specialist game in the form of Aeronautica

i wish gw could expand FW to take advantage of what the business has to offer.

CyberShadow
26-12-2007, 20:49
There are a number of proxy models available for most of the SG range.

Epic Armageddon - The core ones here are Dark Realm Miniatures and Exodus Wars miniatures. Both of these companies started by die hard Epic players who wanted more from the scale. Additionally, the Command Horizon range from Baccus works, as do figures from Ground Zero, Scotia, old Battletech, etc.

Battlefleet Gothic - Full Thrust woks well, as does Space Dreadnought and even the C2A minis.

Warmster - This is fairly well supported as 10mm is a popular fantasy scale. Pendraken and others.

The only range that may be a problem is Inquisitor. 54mm is not a large area for miniatures, particularly good quality science fiction.


As to part two of your post, the idea of licensing out ranges is something that has been suggested, even to SG, a number of times. I cant see this ever happening. Is it possible to license a 6mm Space Marine and not allow other scales? What about if the company brings out a new tank without consulting GW? There are simply too many unknown variables for this to work.

Ben
26-12-2007, 21:13
GW are never going to licence a TTG based on their IP to anyone else. If it sucks, it devalues their IP, if it is better than 40k and fantasy, it makes GW look like idiots. Computer games do not carry that risk, and warhammer online and the forthcoming blood bowl game are the way GW will expand their IP and reap a pile of money.
But GW don't particularly want people playing Specialist games, as for some reason they believe it to draw gamer dollars/pounds away from the core games as oppose to from WarHordes or historicals.

Whitesun
26-12-2007, 21:56
and the forthcoming blood bowl game are the way GW will expand their IP...

what forthcoming BB game?? drool....

Griefbringer
27-12-2007, 09:51
The only range that may be a problem is Inquisitor. 54mm is not a large area for miniatures, particularly good quality science fiction.


Actually, it enjoys some popularity in historicals, especially for collectors and modellers - 1/32 and 1/35 plastics especially tend to be popular. For fantasy, there are a few collectors models. However, on the scifi side there is little available.

Chaos and Evil
27-12-2007, 15:08
what forthcoming BB game?? drool....

The Blood Bowl computer game.

Don't you read Firebase? I totally reported on it in the Games Day article.

rkunisch
27-12-2007, 20:52
I think the answer is no, they would not let anyone get the license. Why? I am sure it is not because they have not the resources for it. It is because those games compete to their core games. A player has only a limited amount of resources (time, money, friends to play with) and the SG products are not that attractive from a sales person point of view.

Forge World has some nice sculptors and look like the good old GW, but to be honest they already have problems with the projects at hand. Quality control needs to improve and even then there are a lot of more promising projects. Well, at least they made some efforts for Epic, BFG and Warmaster.

I would also be interested in a Man'O'War like game (as I am in most of the SG games), though. :)

Have fun,

Rolf.