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W0lf
16-01-2008, 18:18
This is a challenge thread.

Post a army list with your chosen list that you think has the lowest model count possible for that race.

Ill update this post with all the winners and we'll see whos the best.

Rules

1. when posting magic items you must post the items.

exalted champion
50 pts of magic items... = NO

exalted champion
sword of killing, shield of saving.. = yes.

2. The points total is 2K you may be a maximum of 25 pts under.


Winners
Beast of Chaos - KhorneFlakes, 9
Bretonnians - Bretonnian Lord, 21
Chaos Dwarves - Sainthale1988, 37
Dark Elves - rob_bot, 19
Dogs of war - ,Red_Lep 23
Dwarfs - Entropolus, 34
Empire - W0lf, 19
High Elves - Khorneflakes, 26
Hordes of Chaos - WinkyPinky, 5
Lizardmen - wickerman71, 14
Ogre Kingdoms - mercules, 15
Orcs & Goblins - Shimmergloom, 22
Skaven - Deathjester, 42
Tomb Kings -Jullevi, 16
Vampire counts - sainthale1988, 18
Wood Elves - Jonke, 19

W0lf
16-01-2008, 18:22
screwed it. should be like pinkys. knew 4 models was wrong, overlooked the dragon slot.

kbolster12345
16-01-2008, 18:41
Maybe I misunderstand the purpose of this challenge but the list for your own challenge isn't legal. why not add the rule that it has to be a legal and playable list? Otherwise to me this challenge sounds pointless.

W0lf
16-01-2008, 18:43
Why is it not legal?

the chariots are the core choices.

theunwantedbeing
16-01-2008, 18:49
So far kbolster12345 seems to be winning this little challenge.

W0lf your army is illegal.
You have 5 character slots.
Plus your lord has 3 weapons when he is only allowed 1, and you overpriced him by 30pts.
Although you did add up the points for your other character's correctly, albeit with the same illegal extra weapons.
So your a full 58pts under the 2k limit,while having the extra hero slot.
Which if you replace the dragon by a chariot still leaves you a full 278pts under the 2k limit.

So by that logic.
Exaulted champion, sword of striking, chariot.
Chaos sorcerer, warrior familiar, chariot.
Aspiring champion, battle standard bearer, flesh banner, chariot.

Way way under the points but thats a legal army as it meets the minimal core and character criteria, and beats your feeble attempt by a full model :P

kbolster12345
16-01-2008, 18:50
Why is it not legal?

the chariots are the core choices.


Dooh. Someone beat me to it!

But the dragon takes up a 4th hero.

Man my puter has been screwy. Going to go run a Virus check. This is my 4th try trying to post this silly message!

T10
16-01-2008, 19:33
Wow. It's like sudoku. Challenging, yet pointless.

-T10

Wolfmother
16-01-2008, 19:37
ill try skaven remember horde army!

grey seer thanquol on bell 760

assasin smoke bombs bands of power warpstone amulet 175

assasin smoke bombs blade of nurglitch and foulpendant 175

20 clanrats warpfire thrower spears and command 220

1 x rat swarm with poison 65

2 x poisoned wind globes 20

warp lightning cannon 100

10 xjezzails 200

10 x gutter runners slings throwing stars(poison) poisoned hand weps

1975

48 pretty gd for skaven!

winkypinky
16-01-2008, 19:40
Chaos Lord.
Mark of Tzeentch.
Chaos Dragon, Flail, shield.
Staff of Change, Golden eye of Tzenntch.

Exalted Champion.
Mark of Tzeentch.
Chariot with mark of Tzeentch, flail.
Enchanted shield, Berserker sword.

Exalted champion..
Mark of Tzeentch.
Chariot with mark of Tzeentch, flail, shield.
Mirror of knowledge, dispel scroll.

Chariot of Chaos.
Mark of Tzeentch

Dragon Ogre Shaggoth
Great weapon, light armour.

Total: 1979.

5 models
21 points under.

(and it got a sword of killing and a shield of saving ;) )

And mundane weapons is not useless if you have a magic wepon if the guy having it is hit by some, de-magicfying spell before he/her hits combat. The weapon becomes a "mundane" version giving him/her a choice between using either weapon.

(i win you cant get under 5 models with any army)

Shimmergloom
16-01-2008, 19:55
Orcs and Goblins:

1. Black orc warlord:
heavy armor, shield
porko's pigstikka, boss 'at, kickin boots
wyvern

454pts.

2. Black Orc BSB
heavy armor
war banner
chariot

219pts.

3. Black orc big boss
heavy armor, shield
screaming sword
chariot

221pts.

4. Black Orc Big Boss
heavy armor, shield
sword of strength, horn of urgok
chariot

221pts.

5. 3 x 5 wolf riders
spears, shields, short bows
full commands

105pts each.

6. 2 Orc Chariot: 80pts. each.

7. 2 Giants

205pts each.

23 models not counting mounts. 27 models counting mounts seperately.

2000pts on the nose.

sainthale1988
16-01-2008, 20:17
vampire counts
Zacharias the everliving 1015pts
5 bat swarm bases 300pts
5 dire wolves 50pts
5 bases of spirit hosts 325pts
black coach 200pts
banshee 90pts

1980pts (20 pts under), 18 models (19 if you count zacharus dragon as a seperate one)
howzat!

WEEVILWOOD
16-01-2008, 20:24
Von Carstein Vampire Count,Lv2,Carstein Ring, Winged Nightmare 450pts

Vampire Thrall Battle standard, Hell banner 170pts

Necroamancer, lv2, Book of arkhan, Powerstone, 150pts

Necromancer, lv2, Cursed book, 150pts

5 ghouls 40pts

5 Bases of bat swarms 300pts

5 Bases of spirite Hosts 325pts

5 Black Knights, Full command, Barding,banner of doom, 215pts

Black Coach 200pts

Total: 2000pts exact
Total Models(excluding mounts):25
Total Models (including mounts):31

W0lf
16-01-2008, 20:30
after my failed chaos attempt comes empire:

Karl franz on dragon, wielding gharl maraz
700 pts

5 Knights
FC, Banner of the daemonslayer
205 pts

5 Knights
FC, Banner of valour
185 pts

5 Knights
FC, standard of arcane warding
185 pts

1 great cannon
100 pts

2 steam tanks
600 pts

1975 pts

25pts under
19 models.

Wolfmother
16-01-2008, 20:37
vampire counts

Zacharias the everliving 1015

4x bat swarms 240

5x dire wolvs doom wolf 60

5xdire wolvs doom wolf 60

2x giants 410

3x spirit hosts 195

1980

20 legal other guy dosent have 3 core!


and while im at it dark elves:

malekith 945

5x dark riders crossbows command 155

5x dark riders crossbows command 155

5x dark riders crossbows command 155 1410

2x hydras 440

beastmaster 40

1990 19 models

Jonke
16-01-2008, 20:40
Wood elves:

Orion

575 p

Spellsinger
lvl 2
Glamourweave kindred
Unicorn
2 Powerstones

260

Spellsinger
lvl 2
Glamourweave kindred
Unicorn
1 Powerstone
Ranu's heartstone

255

5 Wild riders
Full command
Banner of Dwindling

216

5 Wild riders
Full command
Banner of Midwinter

216

5 Wild riders
Full command
Banner of the Zenith

191

1 Treeman

285

1998 points in 19 models.

Bretonnian Lord
16-01-2008, 20:41
Would Warmachines+Crew count as a single model or all individual?

Anyways here's the smallest possible Bretonnian list I can make at 2k without Special Characters...
Prophetess of the Lady
-Upgrade to level 4 Wizard
-Royal Pegasus
-4 Dispel Scrolls

Paladin Battle Standard Bearer
-Barded Bretonnian Warhorse
-Grail Vow
-Virtue of Knightly Temper
-Banner of the Lady

Damsel of the Lady
-Upgrade to level 2 wizard
-Barded Bretonnian Warhorse
-2 Dispel Scrolls

Damsel of the Lady
-Upgrade to level 2 wizard
-Barded Bretonnian Warhorse
-2 Dispel Scrolls

Damsel of the Lady
-Upgrade to level 2 wizard
-Barded Bretonnian Warhorse
-2 Dispel Scrolls

5 Knights of the Realm
-Full Command
-War Banner

5 Knights of the Realm
-Full Command
-Conqueror’s Banner

5 Knights of the Realm
-Full Command
-Twilight Banner

8 Pegasus Knights
-Full Command

Total points: 1989
Total models: 28

Bretonnian Lord
16-01-2008, 20:48
Bretonnian list WITH Special Character:

King Louen

Paladin Battle Standard Bearer
-Grail Vow
-Barded Bretonnian Warhorse
-Virtue of Knightly Temper
-Banner of the Lady

Damsel of the Lady
-Upgrade to level 2 wizard
-Barded Bretonnian Warhorse
-2 Dispel Scrolls

Damsel of the Lady
-Upgrade to level 2 wizard
-Barded Bretonnian Warhorse
-2 Dispel Scrolls

5 Knights of the Realm
-Full Command
-Banner of Twilight

5 Knights of the Realm
-Full Command
-Conqueror’s Tapestry

5 Knights of the Realm
-Full Command
-Warbanner

2 Trebuchets

Total points: 1988
Total models: 21

W0lf
16-01-2008, 20:54
War machines count as single.

Beasts:

Gorthor
463 pts

3 Tuskgor Chariots
255 pts

3 Minotaurs
FC, Light armour, Great weapons
185 pts

3 Minotaurs
Standard Bearer
167 pts

Dragon Ogre Shaggoth
Light armour, Great weapon
306 pts

Dragon Ogre Shaggoth
Light armour, Great weapon
306 pts

Dragon Ogre Shaggoth
Light armour, Great weapon
306 pts

1988 pts
13 models.

(Note: BOC may only use units in the BOC book.)

Wolfmother
16-01-2008, 20:59
you put me as dogs of war not dark elves!

Bretonnian Lord
16-01-2008, 20:59
In that case, scratch the 3 Pegasus Knights for 2 Trebuchets. Points: 1988, model count: 21 :p

Wolfmother
16-01-2008, 21:01
i still beat u!

Jonke
16-01-2008, 21:04
High Elves:

Archmage
lvl 4
Book of Hoeth
Moon dragon

660

Mage
lvl 2
Tiranoc Chariot
Healing potion

270

Mage
lvl 2
Tiranoc Chariot
Dragonhorn
Gem of Sunfire

270

12 Lothern seaguard
Shields
Full command
Banner of arcane protection

206

10 Lothern seaguard
Shields
Full command

155

3 Lion chariots

420

1981 points 28 models

sainthale1988
16-01-2008, 21:13
darn your right again! i consede... :cries:

ogre kindom!
skrag the slaughter 400

hunter 145
kineater 35
wallcrusher 15

hunter 145
kineater 35


hunter 145
kineater 35


3 iron guts 144
full command 30
look out gnoblar 5
rage banner 35

3 iron guts 144
full command 30
look out gnoblar 5
warbanner 25

3 iron guts 144
full command 30
look out gnoblar 5
cannibal totem 25

giant 205
giant 205

1987 pts 15 models (thats close to an all time low!)

Wolfmother
16-01-2008, 21:17
im pretty sure kineater is a bigname and only tirants can have a bigname over 25pts and im not sure wheather one ogre can have 2?:confused:

sainthale1988
16-01-2008, 21:25
chaos dwarfs

sorcerer lord 190
lev 4 35
lammasu 200
dark mace of death (I'm not joking!) 100

bull centau hero 100
bsb 25
armour of the funace 45

chaos dwarf socerer 65
lev 2 35
2 dispel scrolls 50

chaos dwarf socerer 65
lev 2 35
2 dispel scrolls 50

10 dwarf warriors 90
blunderbuss 30
full command 30
banner of slavery 50

10 dwarf warriors 90
blunderbuss 30
full command 30
warbaner 25

10 dwarf warriors 90
blunderbuss 30
champion and standard 20

death rocket 80

giant 205
giant 205

37 models 2000pts exactly

sainthale1988
16-01-2008, 21:27
im pretty sure kineater is a bigname and only tirants can have a bigname over 25pts and im not sure wheather one ogre can have 2?:confused:

no it says they can have 50pts of magic items or big names, and your allowed to take more than one. i could have given them magic kit, i just did it in hurry, so its still the same in pts and models

sainthale1988
16-01-2008, 21:39
beasts of chaos
deamon prince 300
lev 4 sorcer 160
mark of tzeentch 150
unliving idol 10
staff of change 65
dispel scroll 25

tusgor chariot 85
mark of tzeentch 20

tusgor chariot 85
mark of tzeentch 20

tusgor chariot 85
mark of tzeentch 20

wargor 60
mark of tzeentch 70
bsb 25
banner of the gods 15

wargor 60
mark of tzeentch 70
great fang 50

wargor 60
mark of tzeentch 70
slaughter blade 40

chaos ginat 205
mutant monstrosity 20

chaos ginat 205
mutant monstrosity 20

1995pts , the unliving idol upgrade counts the deamon prince as a beast caracter (thus beast of chaos army legal), all the wargors are in the chariots so thats 6 models!

W0lf
16-01-2008, 21:44
A daemon prince + 3 wargors is 5 character slots.

No daemon princes they are HoC book.
Chariots cant have marks.
You cant make a Daemon prince a lvl 4 AND give him the mark of Tzeentch.

Anyway no prince. sorry.

rob_bot
16-01-2008, 21:45
malekith 945

5x dark riders crossbows command 155

5x dark riders crossbows command 155

5x dark riders crossbows command 155 1410

2x hydras 440

beastmaster 40

1990 19 models

i can beat this one...

malekith 945

5x dark riders crossbows command 155

5x dark riders crossbows command 155

5x dark riders crossbows command 155 1410

1x hydra 220

1x royal hydra 255

1985 18 models

pwned...

jullevi
16-01-2008, 21:45
Tomb kings can make it for less than 20 models:

Tomb King 249
great weapon, light armour, flail of skulls, collar of shapesh

3 liche priests @ 165 = 495
two with 2x dispel scroll, one with dispel scroll and hieratic jar

3 chariots 220
full command, icon of the sacred eye

3 chariots 170
full command

3 chariots 170

3x tomb scorpions @ 85 = 255

2x bone giants = 440

1999pts, 18 models.

If chariot mounts for character do not count as models, you can replace one priest (-165) and scorpion (-85) with a tomb prince with light armour, shield, chariot & crook and flail of radiance (+199) and give tomb king a chariot (+45) for a total of 1993 pts and 17 models.

sainthale1988
16-01-2008, 21:47
deamon prince 300
lev 4 sorcer 160
mark of tzeentch 150
unliving idol 10
staff of change 65


tusgor chariot 85
tusgor chariot 85
mortal chariot 120
mortal chariot 120
tusgor chariot 85


wargor 60
mark of tzeentch 70
bsb 25
banner of the gods 15

wargor 60
mark of tzeentch 70
great fang 50

chaos ginat 205
mutant monstrosity 20

chaos ginat 205
mutant monstrosity 20

yes you can take a deamon prince as a lord choice for beasts, and unliving idol makes him a beast character. mortal chariots are special choice

10 models

W0lf
16-01-2008, 21:48
chariots dont count as models.

so 17 it is!

congrats rotbot.

W0lf
16-01-2008, 21:49
17 for TK.

Congrats rot_bot your the new DE winner.

Wolfmother
16-01-2008, 21:50
dogs of war!

hireling wizard lord on pegusus level 4 260

8x duelists 40

8x duelists 40

8x duelists 40

mengel and five manflayers 287

2x giants 410

captin on pegusus great wep
heavy armour shiels
brace pistols 130

paymaster on barded steed
brace pitols heavy armour shield 89

captin on pegusus great wep
heavy armour shiels
brace pistols 130

10 ogres 350
great wepons 60

4x ogres 140

50 models 1976

jullevi
16-01-2008, 21:51
sainthale1998's list is illegal in couple of ways. The daemon prince cannot have both Mark of Tzeentch and magic levels, because MoT comes with 4 levels. He also cannot have magic items, only Daemonic gifts.

Also, you cannot have Tzeentch-marked characters without taking Tzeentch-marked units.

Wolfmother
16-01-2008, 21:52
wtf is a royal hydra?

rob_bot
16-01-2008, 21:57
there were some upgrades for hydras in wd. its some years ago, but they're still valid.
royal hydra has better AS and whenever she looses a wound in cc, the attacker takes a S2 hit with no AS.
the other two are veteran hydra (ramdom ability) and spellthirster (anti-magic)

Wolfmother
16-01-2008, 21:59
ah what a load of crap i was sure i ahd that one tied up!

sainthale1988
16-01-2008, 21:59
damn deamons more trouble then their worth....

theunwantedbeing
16-01-2008, 22:01
A royal hydra is one of the hydra upgrades available, its on the UK site in the DE section.

Smallest beast army?
Shaggoth, light armour,great weapon
x2

Great Bray Shaman, level 4
Braystaff
Dark heart, great fang
Rides a tuskgor chariot

Wargor, BsB, heavy armour
Beasts banner

10 x tuskgor chariots

14 models

DE army
Malekith
5 dark riders, 5 dark riders,5 dark riders
Royal Hydra
Royal Hydra
1920pts
18 models

Im closer than Robbot is as I added my army up correctly :P

sainthale1988
16-01-2008, 22:04
i could get my idea to work to 11 for beasts but i cant be bothered to write it down so i consede

Mercules
16-01-2008, 22:05
You would think the high cost OK would be good for this challenge, but they are not.

Tyrant (Gen)@ 333
-Brace of Handguns
-HV
-Luck Gnoblar
-2x Sword Gnoblar
-Siegebreaker
-3x Gnoblar Thiefstone
-Giantbreaker Bigname(Str 9 attacks ;))

Bruiser (BSB)@ 239
-HV
-Lookout Gnoblar
-Luck Gnoblar
-2x Sword Gnoblar
-Drgaonhide banner

Bruiser @ 219
-GW
-BoH
-HV
-Luck Gnoblar
-2x Sword Gnoblar
-Greatskull
-Fistfull of Laurels

Bruiser @ 219
-GW
-BoH
-HV
-Luck Gnoblar
-2x Sword Gnoblar
-Gut Maw
-Wyrdstone Necklace

2xSlavegiant @ 175

Ironguts @ 199
-Champion
-Musician
-Banner
-Lookout Gnoblar

Ironguts @ 234
-Champion
-Musician
-Banner
-Lookout Gnoblar
-Ragbanner

Bulls @ 184
-Champion
-Musician
-Banner
-Lookout Gnoblar
-Ironfist
-LA

1977 points total
15 models

W0lf
16-01-2008, 22:06
Unwanted im on 13 ;)

and yeah the De ones are both off points!

Add up people!

And for the last time Saint. Im not including the daemon prince, yes i know he can be the general but it dosnt feel right :P

rob_bot
16-01-2008, 22:10
Lizzies:

Lord Kroak 1225 P

10 Temple Guard
shield, command
sun standard of chotec 255 P

5 jungle swarms 360 P

10 saurus warriors
command 150 P

total: 26 models, 1990 P

Wolfmother
16-01-2008, 22:10
i think u need to update w0lf!

rob_bot
16-01-2008, 22:12
unwanted, your DE version is illegal, as you may have only one hydra upgraded.

Mercules
16-01-2008, 22:13
darn your right again! i consede... :cries:

ogre kindom!


Not a legal list.

1. Hunters can not have Kineater as a Bigname
2. Skrag HAS to have 2 Gorgers 75 points each
3. OK can't have those giants, only Slavegiants @ 175 each
4. Bulls are 1+

theunwantedbeing
16-01-2008, 22:13
Your off by 112 points W0lf.
You should be on 1888 not 1988.
Yet another one to give himself a free 100points....
Your right robbot, missed that, your army was still given a free 100points though.

Gorthor
Tuskgor chariot
Tuskgor chariot
Tuskgor chariot
Tuskgor chariot
Tuskgor chariot
Wargor battle standard bearer with heavy armour and the beasts banner
Emporer Chaos dragon
Thats 8 models and 1997 points.

chivalrous
16-01-2008, 22:14
Chaos Lord.
Mark of Tzeentch.
Chaos Dragon, Flail, shield.
Staff of Change, Golden eye of Tzenntch.

Exalted Champion.
Mark of Tzeentch.
Chariot with mark of Tzeentch, flail.
Enchanted shield, Berserker sword.

Exalted champion..
Mark of Tzeentch.
Chariot with mark of Tzeentch, flail, shield.
Mirror of knowledge, dispel scroll.

Chariot of Chaos.
Mark of Tzeentch

Dragon Ogre Shaggoth
Great weapon, light armour.

Total: 1979.

5 models
21 points under.

(and it got a sword of killing and a shield of saving ;) )

And mundane weapons is not useless if you have a magic wepon if the guy having it is hit by some, de-magicfying spell before he/her hits combat. The weapon becomes a "mundane" version giving him/her a choice between using either weapon.

(i win you cant get under 5 models with any army)

Unless the Shaggoth also counts as a Core choice, you don't have enough core choices for it to be a legal army.

Wolfmother
16-01-2008, 22:17
lol its all about the shagoth core choice!

W0lf
16-01-2008, 22:19
Im not off by points.

You added wrong.

463
85 x3 = 255
185 + 167 = 352
306 x 3 = 918

thats 1988.

And no forgeworld dragon :P (nice try :p)

the tzeentch list has 2 exalted in chariots and a chariot.

thats 3 core.

winkypinky
16-01-2008, 22:22
Unless the Shaggoth also counts as a Core choice, you don't have enough core choices for it to be a legal army.

3 Chariots = 3 core, no matter who is riding them.

sainthale1988
16-01-2008, 22:22
damn i came up with that exact lizarmen list but was less than a minute late to post it!

rob_bot
16-01-2008, 22:22
DE army
Malekith
5 dark riders, 5 dark riders,5 dark riders
Royal Hydra
Royal Hydra
1920pts
18 models

Im closer than Robbot is as I added my army up correctly :P

damn, just took over the list before and changed it. didn't notice the mistake.
but as 1920 P are not max. 25 P less than 2k, here I go again...

Malekith 945 P

5 dark riders
rxb command 155 P

5 dark riders
rxb command 155 P

5 dark riders
rxb command 155 P

Royal Hydra 255 P

Hydra 220 P

Noble
Draich of dark power 110 P

1995 pts
19 models

btw. correctly it's 23 models, as the hydras have two apprentices each

skott4991
16-01-2008, 22:22
Lizardmen

Kroq gar - 573

Scar vet 176pts
Spear
LA
Shield
Spawning of sotek
Spawning of itzl
Cold one
Gleaming pendent of chotec

5 saurus cav - 265pts
FC
Sun standard of chotec

5 saurus cav - 265pts
FC
Huanchis blessed totem

5 saurus cav - 250pts
FC
Jaguar standard

Stegadon 235pts

Stegadon 235pts

Total 1999pts

Models 19

Wolfmother
16-01-2008, 22:24
no if there saying warmachine crew dosent count aprentices count and i got 19 ages ago!

rob_bot
16-01-2008, 22:26
Lizardmen

Lord kroak 1225pts

Scar vet 183pts
GW
LA
Shield
Spawning of sotek
Spawning of tepok
Talismen of protection
Gleaming pendent of chotec

Scar vet 194pts
LA
Shield
Spawning of sotek
Mark of the old ones
Scimitar of the sun resplendent

1 jungle swarm 60pts

11 skinks 83pts
Scouts
Brave

Stegadon 235pts

Total 1980pts

Models 16

nice, but you only have two core units

Wolfmother
16-01-2008, 22:28
what up with people only takeing two core only high elves can do that!

skott4991
16-01-2008, 22:28
nice, but you only have two core units

Sorry, ive been making HE lists all day.

EDIT Fixed;)

rob_bot
16-01-2008, 22:28
no if there saying warmachine crew dosent count aprentices count and i got 19 ages ago!
yeah, but you had only 1890 P, not 1990... ;)

jullevi
16-01-2008, 22:29
All-beasts, without special characters:

Bray-shaman lord of nurgle 373
lvl4, braystaff, chaos daemon sword, spell familiar

Bray-shaman of nurgle 206
braystaff, power familiar

Bray-shaman of nurgle 206
braystaff, skull of katam

Undivided wargor 214
heavy armour, bsb, banner of gods

3x tuskgor chariots 255

3x minotaurs of Nurgle 145

2x dragon ogre shaggoth 590

12 models, 1989 pts.
-------------------------------------

All-beasts, with special characters:

Gorthor the beastlord 463

Undivided wargor 214
heavy armour, bsb, banner of gods

undivided bray-shaman 166
lvl 2, bray-staff, power familiar

3x tuskgor chariots 255

3x dragon ogre shaggoth 885 :D (it's legal, gorthor allows extra rare choice)

9 models, 1983pts

Wolfmother
16-01-2008, 22:30
ok ill put the put the beatmaster on a mantigor and drop all the command i won im claimin it plus u copied mylis just changed it a bit!

Wolfmother
16-01-2008, 22:31
ffs you still only have 2 core!

sainthale1988
16-01-2008, 22:32
@ skott4991
only 2 core mate, sorry no dice, and you can get 15 models with only 2 core as well

rob_bot
16-01-2008, 22:37
Lord Kroak 1225 P

Scar-vet
Spawning: old ones, sotek
BSB, huanchis blessed totem 207 p

10 Temple Guard
shield, command
sun standard of chotec 255 P

2 jungle swarm 144 P

10 saurus warriors
command 150 P

1981 P, 24 Models

skott4991
16-01-2008, 22:37
@ skott4991
only 2 core mate, sorry no dice, and you can get 15 models with only 2 core as well

Have fixed it, i was making HE lists all day and must have got in to a habbit.

EDIT - wow DeJaVu, anyone else taste purple? :p

Wolfmother
16-01-2008, 22:38
can you take 2 bsbs i swear croak counts as a bsb!

sainthale1988
16-01-2008, 22:41
nope he aint its fine (he must be the only slann who isn't though!)

rob_bot
16-01-2008, 22:42
ok ill put the put the beatmaster on a mantigor and drop all the command i won im claimin it plus u copied mylis just changed it a bit!

yes I did it, but only to save time writing it down. you were pretty near to the possible minimum, but didn't hit it exactly. btw. malekith uses all four character slots, so your list (and my last one) are illegal.

Here we go for a third try...

malekith 945 P

5 dark riders
rxb, command 155 P

5 dark riders
rxb, command 155 P

5 dark riders
rxb, command 155 P

chariot 95 P

royal hydra 255 P

hydra 220 P

1980 P, 19 models

I think that settles it...

Wolfmother
16-01-2008, 22:43
oh yeah fair does

sainthale1988
16-01-2008, 22:56
Dogs of War
hireling wizard lord 310
lev 4
on pegusus
2 dispel scrolls


captin on pegusus 140
heavy armour shiels
brace pistols
sword of striking


Paymaster 145
warhorse, barding, heavy armour, lance, great weapon, brace of pistols
talisman of protection, enchanted shield, sword of battle

captin on pegusus 140
heavy armour shiels
brace pistols
sword of might


golfand and 3 ogres 285

vespero vendeta (5 models) 125
am murkets deasert dogs (5models) 245
volonds venators 5 models) 195

1 giant 205
1 giant 205

1995pts 25 models. guess i win this one.

Shamfrit
16-01-2008, 23:22
Skaven

Grey Seer Thanquol
Riding A Screaming Bell
Bell Pushed By 8 Stormvermin, Warpfire Team. Umbranner On Stormvermin Unit, Equipped with Shields.

985 Points. (14 Models.)

3X Fully Upgraded Warplock Engineers.

1. Equipped with Storm Daemon and a Dispel Scroll.
2. Equipped with Warpstone Amulet and a Dispel Scroll.
3. Equipped with the Brass Orb.

145 Points each = 435 points. (3 Models.)

1 Rat Swarm = 45 points. (1 Model.)

20 Clanrats with full command and spears and a Warpfire Team = 220 Points.
(21 Models.)

2 Rat Ogres. = 100 Points. (4 Models.)

2 Warp Lightning Cannons. = 200 Points.

1985 points.

46 Models, but how many do the cannons count as?

I'm hoping one, lol.

jullevi
16-01-2008, 23:46
Just because I had to:

Dogs of War

Hireling Wizard Lord 360
lvl4, pegasus, 4xdispel scroll

Paymaster 145
warhorse, barding, heavy armour, lance, great weapon, brace of pistols
talisman of protection, enchanted shield, sword of battle

Asarnil the Dragonlord 460

Felix and Gotrek 475

5 Al Muktar's Kebab 245

5 Voland's Venators 195

5 Heavy cavalry 120
barding, standard

2000pts, 19 models. Heck, I have one unused hero slot.

Wickerman71
17-01-2008, 02:14
Lizardmen

Kroq-Gar "Lord & Hero Slot" 573pts
2 Skink Priests "2Hero & 2Rare Slot" +lvl 2; Spawning of Old One; Scout +2 PStones & Steg 860pts
Saurus Cav (~5) "Core" +Command & Sun Standard 265pts
Saurus Cav (~5) "Core" +Command 225pts
Jungle Swarm (~1) "Core" 60pts

14 models @ 1983pts

theunwantedbeing
17-01-2008, 02:35
Tomb kings
Tomb king, on chariot, flail, 100pts of items,light armour.
327
Liche priest, skeltal steed 50pts of items x 3
519
3 tomb swarms
135
2 x 3 chariots
240
4 x tomb scorpions
340
bone giant x 2
440

19 models, 17 if I drop 2 tomb swarms...seein as some people are fine with sub 1900pt lists then I can get a sub 1900list with only 17 models in.

Ogre Kingdoms
Tyrant, fully equipt
3 x bruisers fully equipt
3 bulls fully equipt
2 x 3 ironguts fully equipt
2 slavegiants
1977pts
15 models

Bretonnians
Bret lord, fully equipt, grail vow, hippogryph
Bret Bsb, banner of the lady, grail vow, royal pegasus
707
3 x paladins grail vow,royal pegasus, lance,sheilds, 50pts of items
561
3 x 5 knights of the realm, full command magic banners
3 pegasus knights
1970pts
23 models

kris_kapsner
17-01-2008, 04:10
Chaos Lord.
Mark of Tzeentch.
Chaos Dragon, Flail, shield.
Staff of Change, Golden eye of Tzenntch.

Exalted Champion.
Mark of Tzeentch.
Chariot with mark of Tzeentch, flail.
Enchanted shield, Berserker sword.

Exalted champion..
Mark of Tzeentch.
Chariot with mark of Tzeentch, flail, shield.
Mirror of knowledge, dispel scroll.

Chariot of Chaos.
Mark of Tzeentch

Dragon Ogre Shaggoth
Great weapon, light armour.

Total: 1979.

5 models
21 points under.

(and it got a sword of killing and a shield of saving ;) )

And mundane weapons is not useless if you have a magic wepon if the guy having it is hit by some, de-magicfying spell before he/her hits combat. The weapon becomes a "mundane" version giving him/her a choice between using either weapon.

(i win you cant get under 5 models with any army)

What's crazy about this list is that it is legal and could actually get up to about 2250 in points or more without raising the model count. Just add an aspiring champion army battle standard bearer of tzeentch with a magic banner to ride in the last chariot. There you go. No other army can even get close to that few of models for a 2250 point army. :)

OGforMe
17-01-2008, 04:41
Improved the High Elves list just for fun:

High Elves:

Archmage
lvl 4
Book of Hoeth
Moon dragon

660

Mage
lvl 2
Tiranoc Chariot
Healing potion

270

Noble
BSB with Battle Banner
Tiranoc Chariot
GW, Longbow, Shield, Dragon Armor

301


10 Lothern seaguard
Shields
Full command
Banner of arcane protection

180

10 Lothern seaguard
Shields
Full command

155

3 Lion chariots

420

1986 pts, 26 models

InquisitorFenix
17-01-2008, 06:26
damn i cant beat that WE list

InquisitorFenix
17-01-2008, 06:29
for TK if u use the options for a bone giant that are in chronicles 2004 then u may be able to drop a couple swarms or a scorpion i think, ya.

Wolfmother
17-01-2008, 08:04
Grey Seer Thanquol
Riding A Screaming Bell
Bell Pushed By 8 Stormvermin, Warpfire Team. Umbranner On Stormvermin Unit, Equipped with Shields.

985 Points. (14 Models.)

3X Fully Upgraded Warplock Engineers.

1. Equipped with Storm Daemon and a Dispel Scroll.
2. Equipped with Warpstone Amulet and a Dispel Scroll.
3. Equipped with the Brass Orb.

145 Points each = 435 points. (3 Models.)

1 Rat Swarm = 45 points. (1 Model.)

20 Clanrats with full command and spears and a Warpfire Team = 220 Points.
(21 Models.)

2 Rat Ogres. = 100 Points. (4 Models.)

2 Warp Lightning Cannons. = 200 Points.

1985 points.



illegal cant have 2 wlcs because you only have 1 unit of clanrats burnt!:evilgrin:

also thanquol takes up a hero slot so you cant have 3 engineers!

Wolfmother
17-01-2008, 08:07
Originally Posted by winkypinky
Chaos Lord.
Mark of Tzeentch.
Chaos Dragon, Flail, shield.
Staff of Change, Golden eye of Tzenntch.

Exalted Champion.
Mark of Tzeentch.
Chariot with mark of Tzeentch, flail.
Enchanted shield, Berserker sword.

Exalted champion..
Mark of Tzeentch.
Chariot with mark of Tzeentch, flail, shield.
Mirror of knowledge, dispel scroll.

Chariot of Chaos.
Mark of Tzeentch

Dragon Ogre Shaggoth
Great weapon, light armour.

Total: 1979.

5 models
21 points under.

(and it got a sword of killing and a shield of saving )

And mundane weapons is not useless if you have a magic wepon if the guy having it is hit by some, de-magicfying spell before he/her hits combat. The weapon becomes a "mundane" version giving him/her a choice between using either weapon.

(i win you cant get under 5 models with any army)
What's crazy about this list is that it is legal and could actually get up to about 2250 in points or more without raising the model count. Just add an aspiring champion army battle standard bearer of tzeentch with a magic banner to ride in the last chariot. There you go. No other army can even get close to that few of models for a 2250 point army.

you cant take another exalted as the dragon fills up ahero slot!:evilgrin:

jullevi
17-01-2008, 09:38
Update on my Tomb Kings list. I didn't realize that Tomb Princes were more expensive than Liche Priests and that my tomb king didn't have max items.

Tomb King 327
light armour, chariot, great weapon, shield
Flail of skulls, Vambraces of Sun, Crown of Kings

Tomb Prince 203
light armour, chariot, great weapon, shield
Crook and flail of radiance

Tomb Prince 203
light armour, chariot, great weapon, shield
Blade of setep

Liche Priest 173
skeletal steed, dispel scroll, hieratic jar

3x3 chariots 560
full command, one with icon of sacred eye

1 tomb scorpion 85

2 bone giants 440

1991 points, 16 models

sainthale1988
17-01-2008, 10:23
Just because I had to:

Dogs of War

Hireling Wizard Lord 360
lvl4, pegasus, 4xdispel scroll

Paymaster 145
warhorse, barding, heavy armour, lance, great weapon, brace of pistols
talisman of protection, enchanted shield, sword of battle

Asarnil the Dragonlord 460

Felix and Gotrek 475

5 Al Muktar's Kebab 245

5 Voland's Venators 195

5 Heavy cavalry 120
barding, standard

2000pts, 19 models. Heck, I have one unused hero slot.

illeagal, you have 6 caracter choices (1 lord, asnail, the dragon, the paymaster felix and gotrex all count as 1)
so i still win

sainthale1988
17-01-2008, 10:24
Lizardmen

Kroq-Gar "Lord & Hero Slot" 573pts
2 Skink Priests "2Hero & 2Rare Slot" +lvl 2; Spawning of Old One; Scout +2 PStones & Steg 860pts
Saurus Cav (~5) "Core" +Command & Sun Standard 265pts
Saurus Cav (~5) "Core" +Command 225pts
Jungle Swarm (~1) "Core" 60pts

14 models @ 1983pts

not enough core choices i think, not legal, unless kroq-gar makes saurus cav chore choices. does he?

Mercules
17-01-2008, 11:45
Ogre Kingdoms - Sainthale1988, 15

Um... how they heck is he a winner with an illegal list? As I pointed out.


Not a legal list.

1. Hunters can not have Kineater as a Bigname
2. Skrag HAS to have 2 Gorgers 75 points each
3. OK can't have those giants, only Slavegiants @ 175 each
4. Bulls are 1+

Disciple of Caliban
17-01-2008, 11:56
Kroq Gar does indeed make saurus cav core.

However, if memory serves, and i believe it does, you can only have 1 mark of the old ones. This means you need to spend a few more points, luckily i know just the place. Add a magic standard to your 2nd unit of Saurus cav and you're good to go.

I really like the look of some of these lists, might be worth a collecting one as a nice cheap way of building an army, and with so few figures you could really go to town on the painting standard. Definately something to consider, i just need to decide which one to do, decisions decisions.

Since i didnt see a list (I could have missed it), i'll throw up a quick shot at an O+G force:

Savage Orc Great Shaman: Wyvern, level 4, Skull Wand, Best Boss At, Biggeds Kickin Boots 520
Black Orc big boss: Chariot, heavy armour, Shagas sword, Shield, 194
Black Orc big boss: Chariot, heavy armour, BSB, Morks Totem, 217
Black Orc big boss: Chariot, heavy armour, Ulags Axe, Amulet of Protectyness, shield 194
2 Giants 410
3 * 5 Spider riders - full command, short bows 300
2 Rock Lobbers with bullies 150

Total = 1985 pts
23 models, not bad as far as horde armies go!

sainthale1988
17-01-2008, 12:20
@ merculus: your right i'm not the winner (he hasn't updated) whoever there is a 14 model legal combination

jullevi
17-01-2008, 12:30
illeagal, you have 6 caracter choices (1 lord, asnail, the dragon, the paymaster felix and gotrex all count as 1)
so i still win

Felix and Gotrek do not take character slots, neither does Asarnil's dragon in Dogs of War armies. As I stated, I actually have one unused hero slot. Your armylist is illegal as it doesn't have a Paymaster.

sainthale1988
17-01-2008, 12:50
ahh yes now paymaster, righted edited so easy switch with one captain.
the dragon does take up a hero choice however if your right about gortrex and felix your still legal (4 heros) so you win. congrats!

Mercules
17-01-2008, 13:30
@ merculus: your right i'm not the winner (he hasn't updated) whoever there is a 14 model legal combination

I can't find a 14 model combination, not even with Forgeworld models included. At least not a legal one.

You are stuck with 9 for sure in the core. 4 characters brings it to 13. The most expensive per model after that is Slavegiant bringing it to 15 with two of them and that just makes the mark of 1975-2000 with enough options on units and characters.

sainthale1988
17-01-2008, 13:38
cant you take a Dogs of War giant?

Mercules
17-01-2008, 13:41
cant you take a Dogs of War giant?

No... Ogres break their own giants why would they pay one?

sainthale1988
17-01-2008, 13:46
No... Ogres break their own giants why would they pay one?

becuase its stubbon..... and you can win this competition with 14 models :D

Mercules
17-01-2008, 13:52
becuase its stubbon..... and you can win this competition with 14 models :D

They can't take it... As an OK player I bemoan the loss of Stubborn on giants all the time and considering a DoW Giant is 205 and a Slavegiant 175 I don't see how you are going to make it to 14 with a 30 point difference.

Wickerman71
17-01-2008, 14:00
not enough core choices i think, not legal, unless kroq-gar makes saurus cav chore choices. does he?


yes & saurus become special.


vampire counts
Zacharias the everliving 1015pts
5 bat swarm bases 300pts
5 dire wolves 50pts
5 bases of spirit hosts 325pts
black coach 200pts
banshee 90pts

1980pts (20 pts under), 18 models (19 if you count zacharus dragon as a seperate one)
howzat!

only two core choices


darn your right again! i consede... :cries:

ogre kindom!
skrag the slaughter 400

hunter 145
kineater 35
wallcrusher 15

hunter 145
kineater 35


hunter 145
kineater 35


3 iron guts 144
full command 30
look out gnoblar 5
rage banner 35

3 iron guts 144
full command 30
look out gnoblar 5
warbanner 25

3 iron guts 144
full command 30
look out gnoblar 5
cannibal totem 25

giant 205
giant 205

1987 pts 15 models (thats close to an all time low!)

No bulls

the one who is without sin should cast the stones:cool:

Mercules
17-01-2008, 14:02
No bulls



Or the required Gorgers if you take Skrag and he can't use DoW giants and Hunters can't have Kineater.

M_M
17-01-2008, 16:03
Heres a attempt at the smallest Ogre list

Greasus Goldtooth
575

Bruiser BSB
-Mastadon Armour
-1 Luck Gnoblar
-2 Sword Gnoblars
220

Bruiser
-Heavy Armour, Brace of Handguns, Great Weapon
-Wyrdstone Necklace, Longstrider
-1 Luck Gnoblar
-2 Sword Gnoblars
214

Hunter
-Beast Killer, Greyback Pelt
195

3 Bulls
-Light Armour, Ironfists
-Full Command, Look out Gnoblar
184

3 Iron Guts
-Full Command, Look out Gnoblar
-Rune Maw
219

3 Iron Guts
-Full Command, Look out Gnoblar
199

Slavegiant
175

Total: 1996

13 Models ( oh yeah)

Trickle
17-01-2008, 16:27
Um 14?

That 5 'model' chaos list could change the Shagoth to a Chaos giant + dragon ogre? Chariots Ought to count as at least 3 models, though imo.

DarkLord Of Naggaroth
17-01-2008, 16:35
I'm sure we've had this pretty much exact thread before fairly recently.

Mercules
17-01-2008, 16:53
Heres a attempt at the smallest Ogre list

Greasus Goldtooth
575

Bruiser BSB
-Mastadon Armour
-1 Luck Gnoblar
-2 Sword Gnoblars
220

Bruiser
-Heavy Armour, Brace of Handguns, Great Weapon
-Wyrdstone Necklace, Longstrider
-1 Luck Gnoblar
-2 Sword Gnoblars
214

Hunter
-Beast Killer, Greyback Pelt
195

3 Bulls
-Light Armour, Ironfists
-Full Command, Look out Gnoblar
184

3 Iron Guts
-Full Command, Look out Gnoblar
-Rune Maw
219

3 Iron Guts
-Full Command, Look out Gnoblar
199

Slavegiant
175

Total: 1996

13 Models ( oh yeah)

Greasus counts as 2 Lord choices.. Ergo 3K and up. Oh, and two other points... Greasus also is a BSB so you can't have another AND you counted to 13 with 14 models.

Shimmergloom
17-01-2008, 17:01
This army is illegal.

You have to have 1+ units of bulls in an orge army and you have 0. Also kineater is a 35pt big name and only Tyrants can have big names over 25pts. It says it right above big names in the big name section. And each orge character allowed big names are only allowed to take 1 big name, not more than 1.

Next you have giants at 205pts. Ogres cannot take giants. Only slavegiants which are 175pts each.

Finally only ONE unit of ironguts may have a magic standard. You gave one to each of your 3 irongut units.


darn your right again! i consede... :cries:

ogre kindom!
skrag the slaughter 400

hunter 145
kineater 35
wallcrusher 15

hunter 145
kineater 35


hunter 145
kineater 35


3 iron guts 144
full command 30
look out gnoblar 5
rage banner 35

3 iron guts 144
full command 30
look out gnoblar 5
warbanner 25

3 iron guts 144
full command 30
look out gnoblar 5
cannibal totem 25

giant 205
giant 205

1987 pts 15 models (thats close to an all time low!)

guillaume
17-01-2008, 17:11
lizardmen players! I am not at home right now and dont have my army book with me, but please someone makes a list with Lord Kroak. At 1000pts a model, we should be able to do something!

I am thinking: 1 lord kroak, 10 temple guards, 10 skinks, 2 stegadons and perhaps 1 more hero should do the trick, so around 24 models.

the two core units is going to force at least 20 models.

Shimmergloom
17-01-2008, 17:21
Same number as mine, but I got to 2k, so I claim victory. :D




Since i didnt see a list (I could have missed it), i'll throw up a quick shot at an O+G force:

Savage Orc Great Shaman: Wyvern, level 4, Skull Wand, Best Boss At, Biggeds Kickin Boots 520
Black Orc big boss: Chariot, heavy armour, Shagas sword, Shield, 194
Black Orc big boss: Chariot, heavy armour, BSB, Morks Totem, 217
Black Orc big boss: Chariot, heavy armour, Ulags Axe, Amulet of Protectyness, shield 194
2 Giants 410
3 * 5 Spider riders - full command, short bows 300
2 Rock Lobbers with bullies 150

Total = 1985 pts
23 models, not bad as far as horde armies go!

Let me see if we can get under 23models not counting mounts.

1. savage orc great shaman, lvl 4
skull wand, amulet of protectyness, kickin' boots
wyvern

515pts.

2. Black orc bsb, heavy armor
chariot, mork's totem

244pts.

3. Black orc big boss
heavy armor, shield
screaming sword

221pts.

4. black orc big boss
heavy armor, sword of strength, horn of urgok
chariot

219pts.

5. 2 x 5 wolf riders
full command, spears

100pts. each.

6. 5 wolf riders
full command, spears, short bows

105pts.

7. Orc chariot w/extra crew: 85pts.

8. 2 giants: 205pts each.

1999pts.

22 models w/o mounts. 26 counting mounts.

:D

Disciple of Caliban
17-01-2008, 17:44
Same number as mine, but I got to 2k, so I claim victory. :D



Its my victory, and you cant have it, my list should only have been 22 models (1 rock lobber) I just got the maths wrong for my chariot riders, damn it!!

Ok, so, to regain my honour, 21 or under:

Nope, i cant do it, those damn snotlings not counting as core make it too difficult.

Oh well, at least i can feel good knowing i came up with a great idea for a Savage Orc shaman, 3 attacks with skull wand could do some damage (and that i got there first even if i cant do simple maths)


Oh well, to make myself feel better i must build the freakishly small wild hunt army from earlier in the thread, i have most of the models, meaning it may not be the smallest army ever built, but i can build the cheapest army!

skott4991
17-01-2008, 17:58
lizardmen players! I am not at home right now and dont have my army book with me, but please someone makes a list with Lord Kroak. At 1000pts a model, we should be able to do something!

I am thinking: 1 lord kroak, 10 temple guards, 10 skinks, 2 stegadons and perhaps 1 more hero should do the trick, so around 24 models.

the two core units is going to force at least 20 models.

At 2k, you need 3 core, made the same mistake myself :o

So if you include kroak you will need 21 core models.

Shimmergloom
17-01-2008, 18:13
Your list is still 23 models though.

4 characters
15 for spiders
2 lobbas
2 giants

23 models.

And you were 15pts under, while my 23 model list was 2000pts and my 22 model list is 1999. So I win. :D

Not sure how to make a 21 model list that close to 2k though without resorting to using DoW, which seems less than fair.


Its my victory, and you cant have it, my list should only have been 22 models (1 rock lobber) I just got the maths wrong for my chariot riders, damn it!!

Ok, so, to regain my honour, 21 or under:

Nope, i cant do it, those damn snotlings not counting as core make it too difficult.

Oh well, at least i can feel good knowing i came up with a great idea for a Savage Orc shaman, 3 attacks with skull wand could do some damage (and that i got there first even if i cant do simple maths)


Oh well, to make myself feel better i must build the freakishly small wild hunt army from earlier in the thread, i have most of the models, meaning it may not be the smallest army ever built, but i can build the cheapest army!

Disciple of Caliban
17-01-2008, 18:27
Your list is still 23 models though.

4 characters
15 for spiders
2 lobbas
2 giants

23 models.


I know, as i said there should only have been 1 Lobba, i just ended up with extra points because i cant add up the cost of a chariot riding big boss.

And your right, using DOW seems a tad off. Oh well, i'll be back with the smallest army from another race, just as soon as i get round to finding all my army books.

winkypinky
17-01-2008, 18:48
you cant take another exalted as the dragon fills up ahero slot!:evilgrin:

PLease qute him and not me for saying something wrong, when i didnt. (he said + 1 exalted not me)

W0lf
17-01-2008, 22:08
anyone fancy working out the current winners? :P

skott4991
17-01-2008, 22:28
anyone fancy working out the current winners? :P

Id say that Wickerman71 wins with the lizardman army.

theunwantedbeing
17-01-2008, 22:39
Lizardmen
Kroq'gar
5 saurus cavalry, full command haunchi banner
5 saurus cavalry, full command sun standard
1 jungle swarm
2 stegadons
1 scar veteran battle standard bearer, quetlz, mark of the old ones, light armour, totem of prophecy
1 scar veteran, quetzl
2k
16 models

Seems the other guy beat me to it, if you swap the saurus for skinks and put them on stegadons you get 2 less models. So thats 14 models.

Neknoh
17-01-2008, 22:53
Teeeny, tiny remark... if you are not allowed HoC models in a Beast army, why are you allowed Beast and Beasts of Chaos units in a HoC army?

theunwantedbeing
17-01-2008, 23:10
LOL
Hey, war machines only count as 1 model, despite being more like 3-5 models in most cases.....the rules for this competition are very silly indeed.

TheJo0vler
17-01-2008, 23:22
Tomb King
chariot, la,sheild
Blade of mourning
Golden eye of Rah-nutt
Chariot of fire
327

Liche priest with two dispell scrolls x3

495



3x chariots with FC and icon of the sacred eye 220

3 x Chariots with FC 170
3x chariots with FC170

2x scorpians 170

2x bone giants 440


17 models 1992 points

EDIT: It looks like it would be a very fun army to play with. If The Liches had different items

sainthale1988
17-01-2008, 23:46
yes & saurus become special.



only two core choices



No bulls

the one who is without sin should cast the stones:cool:

its has been well reported that this list was rubbish, and considering i don't collect them, just have the book not a bad go for my first army list in such a random setting! could people please refrain from pointing out how wrong this list is. i get it.

Mercules
18-01-2008, 00:18
its has been well reported that this list was rubbish, and considering i don't collect them, just have the book not a bad go for my first army list in such a random setting! could people please refrain from pointing out how wrong this list is. i get it.

Well, thats why I stuck with the list I've done 300 permutations of and looked at from every angle. It was easy for me to remember the things I would NEVER spend points on and do the opposite.

At the same time I tried to create a list that I would consider playing if this was a real challenge. Build an army list with the least amount of figures possible... and then play the other lists people built the same way. That would be fun.

studderigdave
18-01-2008, 00:26
lizardmen

lord kroak
10 saurus, FC
10 saurus, FC
10 saurus, FC
JSOD, sword of striking, sotek, quatzl, LA/sh
scar vet, sword of +2 attack, LA/shield, tzunki

33 models

123DeMaere
18-01-2008, 01:01
after my failed chaos attempt comes empire:

Karl franz on dragon, wielding gharl maraz
700 pts

5 Knights
FC, Banner of the daemonslayer
205 pts

5 Knights
FC, Banner of valour
185 pts

5 Knights
FC, standard of arcane warding
185 pts

1 great cannon
100 pts

2 steam tanks
600 pts

1975 pts

25pts under
19 models.


umm, take out the thrid unit of knights, the cannon and throw in two level 2 mages with 4 dispel scrolls and you go down to 15.

185+100=285
150+150=300
under 10 points, 15 models

lowest model counts have to fill heros and lords first

Deathjester
18-01-2008, 01:29
Hordes of Chaos

Lord of Tzeentch - 594
Chariot of Tzeentch
Staff of Change
Armour of damnation
Shield
Great weapon

Exalted Champion of Tzeentch
Chariot of Tzeentch - 366
Dispel Scroll
Power Stone
Shield
Great weapon

Exalted Champion of Tzeentch - 366
Chariot of Tzeentch
Power Familiar
Shield
Great weapon

Exalted Champion of Tzeentch - 366
Chariot of Tzeentch
Staff of Sorcery
Shield
Great weapon

Shaggoth, Great Weapon Light Armour 306

1998 points, 2 points under and 5 models.

theunwantedbeing
18-01-2008, 01:35
Same as deathjesters army but swp the staff of change and armour of damnation for the black maul and eye of tzeentch, the sheild is swapped for an enchanted sheild.
There, 2000pts exactly in 5 models.

Deathjester
18-01-2008, 02:05
Yeah that was it, i missed those 5 points there :p


Thanquol on bell 760

Assassin Cursed Blade, Smokebombs 170

Assassin warpstone stars smokebombs 175

20 rats full command & warp fire thrower - 200

2 Poisoned Wind Globadiers - 20

5 rat swarms poison - 325

9 Tunnelling team - 246
Champion
Poisoned Hand Weapons, Poisoned throwing stars, slings

Warp Lightning Cannon - 100

1996 points

42 models as far as i can see

guillaume
18-01-2008, 02:08
lord kroak list 2000pts on the dot

lord kroak - 1225
10 Temple guard with FC, no shields - 205
10 skinks with 1 champion - 65
1 swarm - 60
1 stegadon - 235
1 Saurus scar veteran Battle standard Itzl; and sotek spawning on top of a cold one with light armour and the scimtar of the sun resplendent (not the best setup) - 210

total of 2000pts and 24 models

guillaume
18-01-2008, 02:24
Lord Ghark ironskin 2000pts Ogre kingdom. Viable army, see US white dwarf 308, and UK 309

Ghark Ironskin: 485
3 bulls: 105
3 Ironguts with standard and champion: 184
3 ironguts with standard: 164
3 rhinox riders on bull rhinox, with HA, Ironfist, standard and champion: 531pts
3 rhinox riders on bull rhinox with HA, Ironfist, standard and champion: 531pts

2000pts on the dot, 14 models!

For a more legal 2000pts OK army:

Greasus goldtooth: 590pts
1 Bruiser, Battle standard, 1 lookout gnoblar, 1 luck gnoblar, 2 sword gnoblar, heavy armour, Dragonhide banner: 239
1 Bruiser, tenderiser, 1 luck gnoblar, 2 sword gnoblars, ironfist, heavy armour: 207
3 ogre bulls: FC, lookout gnoblar, 2nd weapon: 181
3 ironguts, FC, ragbanner, 1 lookout gnoblar: 234
3 ironguts, FC, 1 lookout gnoblar: 199
1 slavegiant: 171
1 slavegiant: 171

2000pts on the dot, and 16 models

Deathjester
18-01-2008, 02:39
Well seeing as both dark elf lists are Illegal (one because it has an additional hero slot) and the second because it's 115 points down, not 15 points down as quoted:

Malekith 945pts
5 Dark Riders FC, and RxB 155pts
5 Dark Riders FC, and RxB 155pts
5 Dark Riders FC, and RxB 155pts
Royal Hydra 255
War Hydra 220
Chariot, Spears, RxB 107pts

1992 points

Copenhagan
18-01-2008, 02:42
Not sure if this is still legal but here goes.

High Elf Prince on Star Dragon, Null Stone-520
High Elf Prince on Star dragon, Loremasters Clock, Talisman of loec-470
3 Dragon Princes-810
10 Archers-110
10 Spearmen-90

2000pts

war of the beard rules by the way.

25 models and this is legal. would any one want to play it?

Entropolus
18-01-2008, 02:43
First shot at a stunty list:

Thorgrim Grudgebearer - 780

Thane BSB w/ oathstone - 315
Rune of Stromni Readbeard
Rune of slowness
Strollaz's Rune

Thane - 154
GW, Handgun
Runic armor
Fortitude and Shielding

Cannon w/engineer - 205
Rune of Defense
Rune of Forging
Rune of Penetrating

10 Warrior rangers - 155
Full Command
GW, Shield, Throwing axe

10 Longbeards - 215
Full command
GW, Shield
Runic Standard, Grungni

10 Thunderers - 175
Full Command

Total Points - 1999
Total Models - 34 (38 if you count the cannon as 5)

guillaume
18-01-2008, 03:23
Not sure if this is still legal but here goes.

High Elf Prince on Star Dragon, Null Stone-520
High Elf Prince on Star dragon, Loremasters Clock, Talisman of loec-470
3 Dragon Princes-810
10 Archers-110
10 Spearmen-90

2000pts

war of the beard rules by the way.

25 models and this is legal. would any one want to play it?

Not sure how you're working this, but you have 2 lords. Not sure what those 3 dragon princes are, 3 units? or 3 dragon mages? if they are dragon mages, then you're not allowed, as the dragons count as a hero slot.

Copenhagan
18-01-2008, 03:34
It's the war of the beard list you can take 2 lords at 2000pts and dragon princes actually ride dragons it takes up 2 rares. Its not really a usable list in most cases but its kinda fun.

M_M
18-01-2008, 11:24
Greasus counts as 2 Lord choices.. Ergo 3K and up. Oh, and two other points... Greasus also is a BSB so you can't have another AND you counted to 13 with 14 models.

oops a very big mistake

Havock
18-01-2008, 11:39
High Elves win.

Peek at rare slot.
Now look at the FW Emperor fire dragon.
Done, finished.
big lord on dragon, posibly mage, 2 spearmen units, emperor dragon. done.

Still not as few as ogres, but you should take into consideration that they have a mandatory 21 models, you jsut can't go below one general and 2x10 core units ;)

Disciple of Caliban
18-01-2008, 11:51
Yeah the war of the beard list was good fun, so long as you were the elf!
I like the ogre list with Rhinox cavalry, never actually saw anyone use that list.
dwarfs list looks legal, but due to the dwarfs need to field 30 core they were never going to be terribly competitive in this sort of challenge, nor will wood elves, but here goes:

Orion
2 treeman
5 wild riders - full command, banner of dwindling
5 wild riders - full command, banner of midwinter
5 wild riders - full command, warbanner
Spellsinger - lvl 2, unicorn, glamorweave kindred and Ranus heartstone

1998 pts, 19 models


High Elves win.

Still not as few as ogres, but you should take into consideration that they have a mandatory 21 models, you jsut can't go below one general and 2x10 core units ;)

Well then clearly high elves dont win. Its actually been known since long before this thread started that Chaos win, there are a couple of chaos armies that only need 5 models. The challenge seems to have become how low can you get each race (without forgeworld models, and preferably with using DOW), so please, show us what your elves can do

Mercules
18-01-2008, 13:41
Lord Ghark ironskin 2000pts Ogre kingdom. Viable army, see US white dwarf 308, and UK 309

Ghark Ironskin: 485
3 bulls: 105
3 Ironguts with standard and champion: 184
3 ironguts with standard: 164
3 rhinox riders on bull rhinox, with HA, Ironfist, standard and champion: 531pts
3 rhinox riders on bull rhinox with HA, Ironfist, standard and champion: 531pts

2000pts on the dot, 14 models!

For a more legal 2000pts OK army:

Greasus goldtooth: 590pts
1 Bruiser, Battle standard, 1 lookout gnoblar, 1 luck gnoblar, 2 sword gnoblar, heavy armour, Dragonhide banner: 239
1 Bruiser, tenderiser, 1 luck gnoblar, 2 sword gnoblars, ironfist, heavy armour: 207
3 ogre bulls: FC, lookout gnoblar, 2nd weapon: 181
3 ironguts, FC, ragbanner, 1 lookout gnoblar: 234
3 ironguts, FC, 1 lookout gnoblar: 199
1 slavegiant: 171
1 slavegiant: 171

2000pts on the dot, and 16 models

Again... Greasus takes 2 Lord choices which means 3K+ armies. While I wish Ghark and Rhinox Riders were "legal" they technically are not.l

Besides, using an Ironskin tribe means:
Ghark Ironskin @485
Bruiser(BSB) @239 BRB, Lookout Gnoblar, Luck Gnoblar, 2x Sword-Gnoblar, Drgaonhide banner, HA
3 Bulls @184 Champ, Musician, Standard, Lookout Gnoblar, Iron Fist, LA
3 Ironguts @234 Champ, Musician, Standard, Lookout Gnoblar
3 Ironguts @234 Champ, Musician, Standard, Lookout Gnoblar, Cannibal Totem
1 Rhinox Rider @246 Bull Rhinox, Champ, Musician, Standard, Lookout Gnoblar, War Banner, Ironfist, HA
2 Rhinox Rider @407 Bull Rhinox, Champ, Musician, Standard, Lookout Gnoblar, Ragbanner , Ironfist, HA

14 if mounts don't count, 15 if they do(the Iron Rhinox is a monster) People need a calculator. 1+3+3+3+3+3 is not 14. Ghark, 9 core, and 6 special/rare is 16.

guillaume
18-01-2008, 14:57
Again... Greasus takes 2 Lord choices which means 3K+ armies.


Indeed, Greasus does take 2 lord slot, my Army builder is not up to date...

Mercules
18-01-2008, 17:57
Indeed, Greasus does take 2 lord slot, my Army builder is not up to date...

Yeah... I was looking at him for my 2k army once. Evaluating if the extra leadership he is going to give was worth the investment(doesn't seem to be) and then I realized I couldn't. 3K... maybe(doubtful), but I would be giving up a fighty Tyrant and Slaughtermaster to do so.

W0lf
18-01-2008, 18:13
'lowest model counts have to fill heros and lords first'

you also need 3 core ;)

You can replace the cannon with a wiazrd but the model count is the same.

Zapstorm
18-01-2008, 18:40
Time for the sneaky Skaven list

Heroes -

Clan Eshin

Deathmaster Snikch - 515 points

Assassin w/ brass orb & smoke bombs - 175 points

Assassin w/ Skavenbrew & smokebombs - 175 points

Core -
5x Nightrunners w/ two weapons, slings, champ - 65 points

5x Nightrunners w/ two weapons, slings, champ - 65 points

5x Rat swarms - 225 points

Special -
5 X Gutterrunner Tunneling Team w/ poison weapons/stars & slings - 142 points

5 X Gutterrunner Tunneling Team w/ poison weapons/stars & slings - 142 points

Rare -

Eshin Triad w/ smokebombs - 240 points

Eshin Triad w/ Smokebombs - 240 points


Total: 1984

Models: 34



*edit* Thanks for pointing out that storm vermin being too big a unit!

Wolfmother
18-01-2008, 18:43
thats not a codex or tourney legal list you cant count that!

Zapstorm
18-01-2008, 18:57
*shrug* it was legal here in the US during the 2007 GT season

Disciple of Caliban
18-01-2008, 20:11
I believe storm of Chaos lists are still legal, certainly i've seen nothing stating otherwise. but having a unit of 10 in you're core makes the army too large it seems

RipFlag
18-01-2008, 20:38
Heres my mortal list
Chaos Lord, MoT Halberd, Shield, Crimson Armor of Dargan, Staff of Change Talisman of Protection Mount: Chariot, MoT, 599

Exalted Champion, MoT, Halberd, Shield, 2xDispell scroll, Mount: Chariot, MoT 366

Exalted Champion, MoT, Halberd, Shield, 2xDispell scroll, Mount: Chariot, MoT 366

Exalted Champion, MoT, Halberd, Shield, 2xDispell scroll, Mount:Chariot, MoT 366

Dragon Ogre Shaggoth, Great weapon, 303
5 models.
2000 on the nose

With out Chariots
Chaos Lord, MoT Halberd, Shield, Crimson Armor of Dargan, Staff of Change Talisman of Protection Mount: Chaos Dragon, 819

4 Chaos Knights, FC, 182

4 Chaos Knights, FC, 182

4 Chaos Knights, FC, 182

2 x Dragon Shaggoth, Gr wp, Light armour, 612
1997

15, or 16 with dragon.

Wolfmother
18-01-2008, 22:43
no in the uk storm of chaos isnt torney legal even though it says theses list are touney legal there broken!

kroq'gar
19-01-2008, 01:11
Venerable Lord Kroak - 1225
6 jungle swarms - 360
10 templeguard, shields, scm, blessed standard. - 245
10 saurus, scm, spears- 170

Minimum Legal army possible for a 2k list. Comes in at two thousand points on the dot & at 27 models.

kroq'gar
19-01-2008, 01:20
I stand corrected.

This is the smallest legal lizardman army list possible.

Kroq'gar - 573

scar vet
light, shield, itzl +coldone, mark of old ones, +2 attack magic sword - 202

scar vet
light, itzl, coldone, tepoc, blade of realities, talis of protection. - 185

2 x stegs - 470

5 x coldone knights, s,c,m blessed standard - 265
5x coldone knights, s,m, sun standard - 245

1x lizard swarm 60

rob_bot
19-01-2008, 04:40
Malekith 945pts
5 Dark Riders FC, and RxB 155pts
5 Dark Riders FC, and RxB 155pts
5 Dark Riders FC, and RxB 155pts
Royal Hydra 255
War Hydra 220
Chariot, Spears, RxB 107pts

sorry deathjester, I've had the same list two days ago :D


Here we go for a third try...

malekith 945 P

5 dark riders
rxb, command 155 P

5 dark riders
rxb, command 155 P

5 dark riders
rxb, command 155 P

chariot 95 P

royal hydra 255 P

hydra 220 P

1980 P, 19 models

I think that settles it...

as seen on page 4...

rob_bot
19-01-2008, 04:48
anyone fancy working out the current winners? :P
hmmpf, not fancy, but I'll do't..

Beast of Chaos - theunwantedbeing, 8
Bretonnians - Bretonnian Lord, 21
Chaos Dwarves - Sainthale1988, 37
Dark Elves - rob_bot, 19
Dogs of war - sainthale1988, 25
Dwarfs - Entropolus, 34
Empire - W0lf, 19
High Elves - Jonke, 28
Hordes of Chaos - WinkyPinky, 5
Lizardmen - wickerman71, 14
Ogre Kingdoms - mercules, 15
Orcs & Goblins - Shimmergloom, 22
Skaven - Deathjester, 42
Tomb Kings -Jullevi, 16
Vampire counts - sainthale1988, 18
Wood Elves - Jonke, 19

Just went through your answers and checked if the lists are legal. If some people had the same amount of models, I picked the ones going FIRST, not the ones who had less points till 2k (as long as they stuck to the rule of "max. 25 P below 2k"). If I got anything wrong, or didn't notice any army composition mistake, feel free to tell me.
so long, have fun ;)
EDIT: @w0lf: please update your rankingon the first post, or we'll never see an ending of lists spamming in that have already been posted before, or have more models in it than another legal list written before...

Disciple of Caliban
19-01-2008, 09:56
I stand corrected.

This is the smallest legal lizardman army list possible.

Kroq'gar - 573

scar vet
light, shield, itzl +coldone, mark of old ones, +2 attack magic sword - 202

scar vet
light, itzl, coldone, tepoc, blade of realities, talis of protection. - 185

2 x stegs - 470

5 x coldone knights, s,c,m blessed standard - 265
5x coldone knights, s,m, sun standard - 245

1x lizard swarm 60

So close, unfortunaltely the model count can be dropped still further to only 14 models, the list was posted earlier. Basicaly swap you scar vets for skink priests, and mount those bad boys on the stegs, good times!

Disciple of Caliban
19-01-2008, 10:02
A new dwarf list, i think you guys will like this one:

The white dwarf (with Gotrex and Bugman)
Thane BSB with all the toys
10 Warriors
10 Longbeards
10 thunderers
1 runic cannon

I dont have the book to hand unfortunately, but with the correct runes this list can certainly hit the 2k mark, and at only 33 models!

winkypinky
19-01-2008, 11:00
Im still Number 1 :D

Havock
19-01-2008, 17:00
Well then clearly high elves dont win. Its actually been known since long before this thread started that Chaos win, there are a couple of chaos armies that only need 5 models. The challenge seems to have become how low can you get each race (without forgeworld models, and preferably with using DOW), so please, show us what your elves can do

I should have deleted that part, I was stuck halfway between old 'dex and new 'dex. (had this idea of that list but instead of silly spearmen, take silverhelms, that would close it at 12 models or so.

But yeah, other armies can go lower on the model count, but relatively, this one is low.

at 2250 you can take two empy dragons, which is silly, and lame.

notlogic
19-01-2008, 21:48
Tomb Kings

Sehenesmet

5x Tomb Scorpion

4x Bone Giant w/ Shields

1980 Points
10 Models



Dogs of War

Wizard Lord (Lv 4)
Pegasus, 4x Scrolls

Paymaster
Barded Warhorse, Lance, Heavy Armor

10 Maneaters
Heavy Armor, Cathayan Longswords, Brace of Handguns, Great Weapons

3 Rhinox Riders

Full Command, Ironfists, Bull Rhinoxen, Heavy Armor

2000 Points
15 Models

notlogic
19-01-2008, 23:24
Sorry, I forgot to include core on my DoW list.


Dogs of War
hireling wizard lord 310
lev 4
on pegusus
2 dispel scrolls


captin on pegusus 140
heavy armour shiels
brace pistols
sword of striking


Paymaster 145
warhorse, barding, heavy armour, lance, great weapon
talisman of protection, enchanted shield, sword of battle

captin on pegusus 140
heavy armour shiels
brace pistols
sword of might


golfand and 3 ogres 285

vespero vendeta (5 models) 125
am murkets deasert dogs (5models) 245
volonds venators 5 models) 195

1 giant 205
1 giant 205

1995pts 25 models. guess i win this one.

Sorry Sainth.. but Al Muktar is minimum 6 model unit... putting you at 26 models.

Here's a 22 model list:

Characters:
1 Lv4 Wiz Lord 360
4 scrolls, pegasus

1 Paymaster 133
Barded Mount, Talisman of Prot, Ench Shield, Sword of Battle, Brace of Pistols

1 Dark Emissary 265 (Rare slot)

1 Asarnil, the Dragonlord 460 (Rare slot)

Core:
6 al muktar w/6th rider 258
5 vesparro vendetta 125
5 voland's venerators 195

Spec:
2 Maneaters 204
Cathayan Longsword, Great Weapon, Brace of Handguns, Heavy Armor

22 models (Unless Asarnil/Dragon counts as 2, then this is 23)
2000 points

warmasterbond
20-01-2008, 16:58
Yeah that was it, i missed those 5 points there :p

Thanquol on bell 760

Assassin Cursed Blade, Smokebombs 170

Assassin warpstone stars smokebombs 175

20 rats full command & warp fire thrower - 200

2 Poisoned Wind Globadiers - 20

5 rat swarms poison - 325

9 Tunnelling team - 246
Champion
Poisoned Hand Weapons, Poisoned throwing stars, slings

Warp Lightning Cannon - 100

1996 points

42 models as far as i can see

43 Models actually, remember Thanquol comes with Boneripper as a default

kloudfire
21-01-2008, 04:04
Lord - Venerable Lord Kroak -1225
Amulet of Itza
Ceremonial Mace of Malachite
Golden Death Mask
Standard of the sacred serpent & Glyph of Potee
The Ruination of cities

Hero - Saurus Scar-Veteran - 191
Sacred Spawning - Itzl 5
- Sotek 20
Weapons - Great Weapon - 4
Light Armor & Shield - 8
Talisman- Glyph Necklace - 30
Enchanted Items - Curse-Charm of Topek - 20

Core - 120

Jungle Swarm - 60
Jungle Swarm - 60

Special - Kroxigors - 484

1 Korxigor Ancient 78
7 Kroxigors 406

A total of 12 minis.

Disciple of Caliban
21-01-2008, 10:47
Lord - Venerable Lord Kroak -1225
Amulet of Itza
Ceremonial Mace of Malachite
Golden Death Mask
Standard of the sacred serpent & Glyph of Potee
The Ruination of cities

Hero - Saurus Scar-Veteran - 191
Sacred Spawning - Itzl 5
- Sotek 20
Weapons - Great Weapon - 4
Light Armor & Shield - 8
Talisman- Glyph Necklace - 30
Enchanted Items - Curse-Charm of Topek - 20

Core - 120

Jungle Swarm - 60
Jungle Swarm - 60

Special - Kroxigors - 484

1 Korxigor Ancient 78
7 Kroxigors 406

A total of 12 minis.

That list is illegal in so many ways, firstly, jungle swarms are a 0-1 choice, so you can only field one unit. Secondly, even if you could field multiple jungle swarms you'd only have 2 core.

Also, why take itzl on a scar vet when he isnt mounted?

sainthale1988
21-01-2008, 11:09
Sorry, I forgot to include core on my DoW list.



Sorry Sainth.. but Al Muktar is minimum 6 model unit... putting you at 26 models.


2000 points

you get 6 in the base cost for the unit (i just put 5 because i cant count)

Salyx
21-01-2008, 11:35
Here's a nice DoW list:

Lords& Heroes:

Asarnil

Wizard Lord
Level 4
Pegasus
4 Dispel Scrolls

Paymaster
Barded Horse
Brace of Pistols, Halberd, Lance, Heavy Armor
Enchanted Shield, Sword of Battle Amulet of Protection

Core:

5 Venators

5 Vesperos Vendetta

5 Heavy Cavalry
FC Barding

Elite:
Maneater

Rare:
Gotrek & Felix

=1990 and 21 models

kroq'gar
22-01-2008, 12:24
Lizardmen

Kroq-Gar "Lord & Hero Slot" 573pts
2 Skink Priests "2Hero & 2Rare Slot" +lvl 2; Spawning of Old One; Scout +2 PStones & Steg 860pts
Saurus Cav (~5) "Core" +Command & Sun Standard 265pts
Saurus Cav (~5) "Core" +Command 225pts
Jungle Swarm (~1) "Core" 60pts

14 models @ 1983pts


clever. mounted skinks.

Yade
22-01-2008, 19:53
This list is exactly 2000 pts

High King Thorgrim Grudgebearer (780)
Comes as is

Thane Battle Standard Bearer (315)
Thane 65
BSB 25
Oath Stone 20
Standard 205
(M Rune of Valaya 100, Rune of Slowness 50, Strollaz Rune 55)

Master Engineer (120)
M Engineer 70
Runic Armor 50
(M Rune of Steel)

10 Thunderers (175)
Shields and Full Command

10 Thunderers (175)
Shields and Full Command

Cannon (190)
Cannon 90
Master rune of defense 40
Rune of Forging 35
Rune of Penetrating 25

Grudge Thrower (160)
Grudge Thrower 80
Master rune of Immolation 30
Rune of Accuracy 25

Bolt Thrower (85)
Bolt Thrower 45
Rune of Burning 5
Rune of Fortune 25
Rune of Reloading 10

Thar she blows, and it might actually be competitive.

Yade
22-01-2008, 20:47
I stand corrected.

This is the smallest legal lizardman army list possible.

Kroq'gar - 573

scar vet
light, shield, itzl +coldone, mark of old ones, +2 attack magic sword - 202

scar vet
light, itzl, coldone, tepoc, blade of realities, talis of protection. - 185

2 x stegs - 470

5 x coldone knights, s,c,m blessed standard - 265
5x coldone knights, s,m, sun standard - 245

1x lizard swarm 60

I like your list but I think there is one more that could be less than it.

Lord Croak
2 scar vets like you listed
10 temple guard with fc and shields
1 swarm
1 Stegadon

15 models, should be pretty close to 2k

Disciple of Caliban
22-01-2008, 21:20
I like your list but I think there is one more that could be less than it.

Lord Croak
2 scar vets like you listed
10 temple guard with fc and shields
1 swarm
1 Stegadon

15 models, should be pretty close to 2k

Again, illegal. You're only using 2 core. Smallest lizzy list has already been done (14 models if i remember correctly)

-Grimgorironhide-
24-01-2008, 06:20
How about this one

General: Archaon-855pt

Hero: Exalted Tzeentach champion-366pt
-Chariot
-halberd
- Shield
-Golden Eye
-mirror of knowledge

Hero: Exalted Tzeentach champion-334pt
-Chariot
-halberd
-mirror of knowledge

Core: Khrone Chariot-150pts

Rare: Shaggoth-295pts

2000pts exactly
5 Models

kroq'gar
24-01-2008, 06:56
i'd tend to rate characters as a seperate model even when mounted on a chariot. Afterall, a dragon & lord can be removed independently of each other.

theDarkGeneral
24-01-2008, 07:34
Uh boy...this again...here's another 5 model Chaos Army (Hordes of Chaos)


1x Egrimm Van Horstmann (890)
*Tzeentch, Chaos Dragon

1x Aspiring Champion (230)
*Undivided, BSB, Banner of the Gods, *rides in Chariot

1x Exalted Champion (229)
*Tzeentch, Grt Wpn, Shield, Crown of Everlasting Conquest, *rides in Chariot

1x Chariot of Chaos: (120)
*Undivided
1x Chariot of Chaos: (120)
*Undivided
1x Chariot of Chaos: (140)
*Tzeentch

1x Hellcannon: (270)
*

Kerill
24-01-2008, 08:34
I think technically the lowest model count for anyone is a beast army led by Khazrak the one eye. All of your units start up in ambush and you never call in the ambush. Total models needed:0

Guaranteed to lose if you are playing VPs for table quarters though and won't be an exciting game. At 3000 points or more you are guaranteed a draw since 400VPs isn't enough for a win.

I can write a list but you get the idea, I can't imagine anyone beating 0 models.

Khorneflakes
24-01-2008, 09:06
this is the lowest beasts army using only beast units, the 4 hero choices we have to take, maximum wargear and 3 minimum core and only using items and units from our own army books.

gorthor 463 pts counts as 2 choices
wargor bsb with MoT & beast banner 215 pts
shaman xtra level 2 scrolls MoS 180 pts

3 tuskgor chariots 85 pts each 255 total

3 shaggoths 295 pts each

9 models 2 pts short put me down as the winner please:) i suppose i could give the bsb light armour which wood take it to a nice even 2000 points?

kroq'gar
25-01-2008, 02:17
actually thats three rare.

theunwantedbeing
25-01-2008, 02:20
Gorthor grants you 1 additional rare choice.
So that's legal and 9 models as well(as the chariots are all core)
Nicely done.

Kerill
25-01-2008, 03:22
9 is still more than 0 for beasts though.

Khorneflakes
25-01-2008, 04:07
cant be zero as you have to have khazrak too start with, and at least a couple of core units or its not a legal list, so i still think i win:) nice try thou kerill, but there are "loose" rules associated with this thread that "may" be followed haha! thanks unwanted i try my best sorry to knock you off thou

WLBjork
25-01-2008, 05:26
This list is exactly 2000 pts

<Army List>

Thar she blows, and it might actually be competitive.

Only 2 core though!

I'll have a go later, don't think it's possible to break 32 models for Dwarfs though.

**OK, I'm back**

The White Dwarf on Shield

10 Warriors, Full Command, Great Weapons, Shields

10 Warriors, Great Weapons, Shields, Longbeards, Rangers, Throwing Axes, Full Command, Rune of Slowness

10 Warriors, Great Weapons, Shields, Longbeards, Full Command, Rune of Battle, Rune of Stoicism

Thane, Oathstone, BSB, MR of Stromni, Strollaz Rune, Rune of Slowness

Cannon, Engineer, MR of Defence, Rune of Fortune, Rune of Forging

Nope, can't beat 33 with Dwarfs :(

Khorneflakes
26-01-2008, 00:30
id also like to post this high elf list as Jonkes list is incorrect, as he has 29 models in his list (didnt count his dragon)

archmage on moon dragon 4th level upgrade and book of hoeth 660 pts

dragon mage on sun dragon 2nd level upgrade loremaster cloak and silver wand 435 pts

10 sea guard shields full command lion standard 180 pts

10 sea guard shields full command 155 pts

4 lion chariots @140 pts each

1990 points and 28 models please admend leader board:D:D

Red_Lep
26-01-2008, 00:56
missed a rule

Khorneflakes
26-01-2008, 06:05
sorry no forgeworld dragons aloud only models from your own army book, beasts cant borrow from hordes and vice versa etc i still win:D:D

W0lf
26-01-2008, 10:23
we dont count dragon and rider as seperate models so your HE list has 26.

W0lf
26-01-2008, 10:24
oh and on the Beastmen.. unwanted got 8 models some time ago ;)

Red_Lep
26-01-2008, 12:24
sorry no forgeworld dragons aloud only models from your own army book, beasts cant borrow from hordes and vice versa etc i still win:D:D

Blast, didn't see that :rolleyes:

Khorneflakes
26-01-2008, 21:11
he may have had the lowest (unwantedbeing) model count with his beasts of chaos but his list was wrong as he had a forgeworld dragon in his list and he seams happy with me knocking him off (top bloke that guy) which i believe you (w0lf) said was illegal so therefore i am the winner with beasts and also high elves plus see posts 18 and 51 thank you very much and good night!

writing lists is what i do, sad i know, but what you gonna do? haha

Red_Lep
26-01-2008, 22:30
Dogs of War:

Heroes- 483

Wizard Lord- 360
~2 Dispel Scroll
~2 Power Stone
~Level 4
~Pegasus

Paymaster- 123
~Talisman of Protection
~Sword of Battle
~Brace of Pistol
~Enchanted Shield
~Heavy Armor
.................................................. .................................................. ...............................................
Core- 565

Vespero's- 125
Voland's Venators- 195
Al Muktar's- 245
.................................................. .................................................. ...............................................
Special- 285

Golfag's Ogre- 285
.................................................. .................................................. ...............................................
Rare- 665

Asarnil- 460
Giant- 205
.................................................. .................................................. ...............................................
Total- 1998

Total models: 23

Geofreak
30-01-2008, 17:08
Assuming that you must count mounts that can be targeted separately from the characters that ride them as separate models, the "22" and "23" model Orc and Goblin lists have 26 and 27 models respectively. Here is one that has 25, counting mounts:

Savage Orc Shaman, L4, Wyvern, 2 scrolls, Idol of Mork (520)
Black Orc Big Boss, BSB, Heavy, Ironback Boar, Talisman of Protection (164)
Black Orc Big Boss, Heavy, Shield, Boar, Shagga's Screamin' Sword (157)
Black Orc Big Boss, Heavy, Shield, Boar, Kickin' Boots, Sword of Striking, Collar of Zorga (157)

3xGobbo wolf riders, spears, bows, full command (105 each)
3xOrc boar chariots with extra crew (85 each)
2 giants (205 each)

25 models, 1980 points

Flame
30-01-2008, 23:05
no in the uk storm of chaos isnt torney legal even though it says theses list are touney legal there broken!

It is banned in ONE tournament, thats it.