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Spleendokta
17-01-2008, 17:40
I saw the new bitz order catalouge. The only full metal guard line left is the Tallarn which seems the only reason it wasnt axed was due to the FW Tallarn addons. They did axe the Tallarn special charicter tho, captain Al Rahem(sp?). Mordorians gone, Steel legion gone, Valhallans gone (except like 2 HW teams), metal catachans gone (except a few special charicters), and the metal cadians gone (except a few special charicters). Sorta makes me sad, but maybe this is leading up the rumors the plastic greycoats that is floating around lately.

CommisarMolotov
17-01-2008, 17:43
Ah, well. So much for filling out the holes in my all-metal Guard army!

Mr Zephy
17-01-2008, 17:45
Not really.

On the online Store, Valhallans are still there (as a 37 set), Steel Legion, Tainth First and Only, and Schaeffer's Last Chancers.

Mordians are in the Classics section, along with Praetorians.

Spleendokta
17-01-2008, 17:50
Well I walked into the Chicago GW bunker to order up some valhallans and was told they are no longer available. Just checked on the US online store, and yeah they are still listed. So who knows.

Medic
17-01-2008, 17:53
Are the Karskin stormtroopers still available?

Bloodknight
17-01-2008, 17:56
Eeek----I still needed a few Mordian Autocannon crew and I am short of money this month while they're still available as bitz. Damn.

Hicks
17-01-2008, 18:10
That sucks horribly, do you mean axed as in no longer availible ever? I have a steel legion and the prices GW are asking for them (in the classic range) are so ridiculous, especially in Canada. 8$ for a lasgun guy, good luck selling that! At least I managed to order a bunch of plasmaguners and the special commissar from the US site not too long ago.

Collecting a metal guard army is getting more and more of a pain in the rear. Even on eBay they are fairly rare and the already high prices will skyrocket if the mini lines disapear. I still need to had stuff to my army, at this rate I'll sooner quit the hobby than complete it.

blackroyal
17-01-2008, 18:16
If this is true, I wonder what GW is thinking.

Arkzein
17-01-2008, 18:25
Recall that they're overhauling their entire bits system now, a lot will be remerging in "bits bags" and such, and some in the classics range, but much of the older ranges are going the way of the dodo. Personally I dropped a few hundred quid on a bits order before it happens. I think it's the end of January for the online sales, mid Feb with the old codes from a catalogue, and some are being run down already.

I did also read, in a months old post/article, that there will be somewhat of a crossover period where little will be available and things will be mostly "up in the air" so to speak for a while until the changes are all in place and the new bits/direct order lines are sorted.

All in all It's a matter of get what you need while you can because one can't be sure of just what will be available for a while.

Stella Cadente
18-01-2008, 00:13
If this is true, I wonder what GW is thinking.
they don't

Temprus
18-01-2008, 06:37
Sadly, some bits are already gone for good. I just made a big order and either they gave me a discount or quite a few of them are already gone as my order was much cheaper than what I actually ordered. :cries: The email they sent me only said the large bases bags were gone. Won't know what is missing until Monday-ish.

Hicks
18-01-2008, 07:02
Sadly, some bits are already gone for good. I just made a big order and either they gave me a discount or quite a few of them are already gone as my order was much cheaper than what I actually ordered. :cries: The email they sent me only said the large bases bags were gone. Won't know what is missing until Monday-ish.

Can you please tell me what you were ordering? I hope it wasn't Steel Legion stuff.

Also, anyone knows when exactly is the deadline for ordering from the States? Also, are Inquisition style Storm Troopers going as well? Looks like I'm going to have to make an emergency order darn it, I hate you GW.

carlisimo
18-01-2008, 07:57
If this is true, I wonder what GW is thinking.

They weren't selling well. First of all, Imperial Guard have never been among the most popular armies. Second, people who did want to play IG were hesitant to pay for so many metal figures, even 10+ years ago when the per-figure prices were reasonable. Thirdly, those who were willing to take the plunge then had four full sets to choose from... then five (Preatorians), then additional competition from the 3rd edition plastics. So each metal IG range had a very hard time selling enough to be profitable.

Neither the molds nor the masters for metal figures all that long, either.

I'll miss them too though.

marv335
18-01-2008, 11:09
the rumors of plastic greatcoat guard have been floating around since the release of the plastic catachans. I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.

Mojaco
18-01-2008, 13:34
How about vostroyans then? They're still relatively new (1.5 years or so? Summer 2006 I thought)

Getz
18-01-2008, 13:37
I've heard this a million times before and it hasn't been the case yet. I suggest everybody chills out a little.

<scurries off to order extra Valhallan bits>

Gaebriel
18-01-2008, 13:54
They did say they would weed out all metal bits that had a plastic counterpart (so metal Space Marine Terminators and such). Also, as stated, many bits will be packed together in sets, and component parts of sets will no longer be available. But they didn't say they wanted to phase out everything metal - the older guard metals are currently available direct sales only but IIRC they have been that for a good while.

ThousandPlateaus
18-01-2008, 14:05
I think this will be just whilst they overhaul the catalogue, they should still be available again within time, although I imagine they'll then all carry a 'Collectors range' price tag.

Baltar
18-01-2008, 14:06
Wait...are we saying that they are taking them off of the GW Website? They have been there as long as I could remember...otherwise it doesn't matter cause that is where I get all of them anyway.

The Judge
18-01-2008, 14:32
Pretty sure the original poster is right.

They're gonna be gone, and aren't coming back. Get ready for a nasty surprise when that catalogue comes out.

Light of the Emperor
18-01-2008, 14:38
GW US just posted a last minute notice on their webpage telling people to order what they want before they overhaul the system.
I don't think these IG models are gone forever. Perhaps they'll get bundled up into larger deals rather than individual pieces...

Gaebriel
18-01-2008, 14:45
Ah, that was the list we discussed (http://us.games-workshop.com/news/current/ItemsRemoved0108.pdf) in Other GW. Though it is clear that not everything on that list will be scratched - only part will be discontinued (mostly metals) the rest will most likely be repacked with a new product-id, or bundled. I can see them packing the IG metals in squad-boxes, or battalion offers - I doubt they will condemn every IG player to playing Cadians.

old guard
18-01-2008, 15:03
as I understand it the idea is that they rebundle stuff so that it does not require someone with fairly intimate knowledge of the game system to have to 'go out 't' back' to track down the bitz. with the new system any monkey can do it and their pay is performance related to the speed by which they turn the order round (there appears to be a big emphasis on the speed). the better they are the bigger the bonus if they screw up they get deductions.

Baltar
18-01-2008, 15:27
GW US just posted a last minute notice on their webpage telling people to order what they want before they overhaul the system.


I don't see this...?

Light of the Emperor
18-01-2008, 15:33
Right here (http://us.games-workshop.com/news/default.htm) It's the part with the black phone on the right.

Gen.Steiner
18-01-2008, 16:41
If this is true, then my response is:

*ahem*


AAAAAAAAAAAARGGH! NOOOOOOO! CURSE YOU, GW!

Why? Check the link in my sig - The General's Gone Insane. :cries:

Stella Cadente
18-01-2008, 16:44
Get ready for a nasty surprise when that catalogue comes out.
its going to be VERY thin, GW won't have anything left to sell soon

ZiggyTempest
18-01-2008, 19:13
They said that many of the items will be back in another format and i can't see them dropping the vostroyans so soon after releasing them.



(Note: many of these items will be back in our new Direct Range in another format)

Mr Zephy
18-01-2008, 20:19
The valhallans and steel legion are already back in another format on the uk online store... that's what I said last page.

MrBigMr
18-01-2008, 20:27
I don't see how it's a big surprice that GW is phasing out old things that don't sell well. There's a bunch of stuff not sold anymore that I would have wanted to get. Or at least not directly from GW. There are places to get various items, like old 3rd party stores that sell or sold GW stuff. They are always carrying old blisters in some dusty shelves at the back. And then there's the internets, the old dusty shelves of the digital age.


I have to say I'm not missing the metal IGs. I don't like metal models (I have a full metal daemonic legion in WHFB and some metal models in my 40K Chaos army), nor do I like particulary the regiments that were available. Nothing to do with the models, I just don't use nor will use Mordians, Praetorians, Tallarn, the lot. Nor would I pay 37 for 13 Valhallans (was it 13 in the set?), when I get 40 plastic Cadians for less.

I don't care how much better metals are. I use metals on those models that are suppose to look nice. Having 200 models that made you eyes bleed from beauty is useless to an average gamer. And to people who like to make their armies look like how they want them to look (aka. convert).

Mah 2 eurocents.

boogle
18-01-2008, 20:30
Well for those business like amongst us, we could always bits order the stuff whilst it's still there, and then make a potential killing on ebay/trading sites

Bloodknight
18-01-2008, 20:38
@MrBigMr: That's your point of view.
Other people like me do not care about converting and are contented with 8 poses for lasgun guys - which is not really less than what the plastic models allow for (there's only so much you can do without the pose looking odd anyway).
There's also people like me who would dump IG if only Crapachans and little Football people existed - both IG plastic sets are optically and in scale inferior to their metal counterparts.

For me, for a nice army, price is not an issue. Just look at the DKoK which is wildly successful and even more expensive than the metal guys.

Baltar
18-01-2008, 20:45
Tallarn are staying around, and they are pretty sweet.

MrBigMr
18-01-2008, 21:03
@MrBigMr: That's your point of view.
Never denied.

I don't mind people using them, but to me plastics work fine. I always want to have my way with things and if I can't have what I like, I make it. While metals are nice looking, I always prefer to have other options besides wargear (which, to tell the truth, is pretty hairy thing when it comes to metals) and painjob.


Other people like me do not care about converting and are contented with 8 poses for lasgun guys - which is not really less than what the plastic models allow for (there's only so much you can do without the pose looking odd anyway).
I don't believe there's a single guardsman in my regiment that looks like any other guardsman. Yet they have a unified style.


For me, for a nice army, price is not an issue. Just look at the DKoK which is wildly successful and even more expensive than the metal guys.
Of course not, people will pay top dollar for an army they want, but I'll rather put that money into things that matter, not just tons of line troops. But like I said, that's me.

junglesnake
18-01-2008, 23:02
Can't see what all the moaning is about! The metal Catachans have gone, shame because I liked some of the second set variants they did but the plastics have superseded them.

Otherwise according to the UK site, you can still get the other metal types: Valhallerns, Steel Legion, Mordian, Old Cadian, Praetorians. As for guard not being overly popular - its because alongside Orks they have always been one of the most expencive armies to collect and one of the most endurance testing due to the amount of modeling and painting required.

Gen.Steiner
19-01-2008, 00:08
Can't see what all the moaning is about!

...

Because Guard players are (generally) rabidly fanatical and have (or would like to have) a large number of armies or, at the very least, ranges represented in their collection.

For me, I aim to get a 1,500 point army (at least) for every Guard range that GW and FW do or have done; their retiring (if they do) any of the metals makes it that much harder for me to finish my super-project. Luckily for me, I at least have all the Steel Legion I need and can still get the Tallarns.

But what about the (metal) Catachan and Cadians? Or the Mordians, Praetorians, etc etc. eBay is good, but not as reliable or, sometimes, as cheap as GW.

So if this is true, and they have axed some or all of their metal Guard ranges, I for one am upset.

Baltar
19-01-2008, 00:12
On the upside, Gen. Steiner, maybe GW is saving you from yourself. :p

Gen.Steiner
19-01-2008, 00:22
On the upside, Gen. Steiner, maybe GW is saving you from yourself. :p

Thing is... I don't want them to. :(

MrBigMr
19-01-2008, 00:38
Thing is... I don't want them to. :(
Right, because you're in control and can quit any time you like. No, it doesn't work like that. You have a disease and we're here to help you. We are your friends who love you and want what's best for you.


But look it like this, now that it's even harder to make those armies, imagine how proud you will feel once they're done and imagine all the envy when you have them but no one else can't. No one would be impressed by an authentic 50's Harley-Davidson if you could find them everywhere for penny.

Gen.Steiner
19-01-2008, 00:55
Thing is, I don't want it to be harder. I want to give GW my money, I want them to supply me with the models that they produced and sell (sold?).

I don't want to have to trawl Bring and Buys at Salute! or Warfare, I don't want to have to go through eBay, I want to go through Mail Order Trolls, damnit! :(

Baltar
19-01-2008, 01:01
But look it like this, now that it's even harder to make those armies, imagine how proud you will feel once they're done and imagine all the envy when you have them but no one else can't. No one would be impressed by an authentic 50's Harley-Davidson if you could find them everywhere for penny.

Everyone calls my Mordians "Brownshirts" (I guess because they are supposed to look like Nazis, but I never really see the resemblance) and they always talk about how impressed they are that I "found" all of them.

Gen.Steiner
19-01-2008, 01:02
Actually, I've always thought the Mordians look like US Marines in full dress uniform! :p

Baltar
19-01-2008, 01:03
Actually, I've always thought the Mordians look like US Marines in full dress uniform! :p

Yeah...I have mine painted black with yellow highlights.

Bloodknight
19-01-2008, 01:04
I think the Marines are most fitting.

Dammit, I wish I had ordered that crew.

Baltar
19-01-2008, 01:06
They have always reminded me more of 19th century Prussian type outfits with a little bit of Galactic Empire from Star Wars thrown in.

MrBigMr
19-01-2008, 01:06
Thing is, I don't want it to be harder. I want to give GW my money, I want them to supply me with the models that they produced and sell (sold?).

I don't want to have to trawl Bring and Buys at Salute! or Warfare, I don't want to have to go through eBay, I want to go through Mail Order Trolls, damnit! :(
I want a good paying job and a pretty girlfriend that doesn't talk back. I don't want to work my ass off for no money and go home to porn. Life ain't fare.

Baltar
19-01-2008, 01:07
Life ain't fare.

No one ever taught you to spell. Life really isn't fair.

Bloodknight
19-01-2008, 01:08
That was uncalled for. His first language is probably not English. I guess Finnish.

Baltar
19-01-2008, 01:16
The question in my mind is "What are they going to bring back" and "When?"

MrBigMr
19-01-2008, 01:17
Not to forget that I'm dyslexic. And it's 3AM.

As to spelling, my English as an average of 8.6 in school and I scored 2 points below Laudatur (the highest grade) in my finals, which I took in the fall when the curve was much tougher (less people taking them). And I have managed to use my poor English to navigate 48 countries from the US to China.

So no, no one has never taught me to spell.

Gen.Steiner
19-01-2008, 01:24
I want a good paying job and a pretty girlfriend that doesn't talk back. I don't want to work my ass off for no money and go home to porn. Life ain't fare.

No, true, but I'm talking about giving money to Games Workshop, you'd think they'd be well up for that, know what I mean? :p

Gaebriel
19-01-2008, 01:32
Someone at GW may think "Gen.Steiner would want to give us money, but he fell through the raster for our prime customer group, so he can't (, life ain't fair)" :p

So did Gaebriel, btw :(

Life ain't fair...

Gen.Steiner
19-01-2008, 01:52
But... but... Games Workshop! Money!

They're throwing it away! Fools!

Oh well. I'll survive. And so will the Chindits, by the Emperor! Now, anyone got a spare Sly Marbo figure? :angel:

Captin Korea!
19-01-2008, 01:52
Can you please tell me what you were ordering? I hope it wasn't Steel Legion stuff.

Also, anyone knows when exactly is the deadline for ordering from the States? Also, are Inquisition style Storm Troopers going as well? Looks like I'm going to have to make an emergency order darn it, I hate you GW.

I odered a lot, $100+ of SL stuff, and its gotten here although the heavy bolters are on backorder >.> .

Karnage
19-01-2008, 01:57
How about vostroyans then? They're still relatively new (1.5 years or so? Summer 2006 I thought)

My copy of the Citadel 2008 Catalogue arrived today. Vostroyans are still in there in full. All of the Cadian and Catachan metals you can currently get in store were also in there (with the exception of the female Catachan Grenade Launcher that has been cropping up in some Special Weapon blisters in some stores).

Classics wise, the Catalogue has no full listing of that range, preferring to list a sample and saying "Check the site for our full listing", same with the Bits Packs, although those I did see on the Bits Pack listing were largely common sense packages.

I suppose we'll need to wait for the main site to update fully to the new system before we have an indication of what's staying and what's going.

Temprus
19-01-2008, 03:13
Got my US GW order today, a day early, go FedEx! :skull:

Items Missing from order: :(
4 of 5 SM Captain Stormbolters
2 of 4 Shrike Right Arms
4 of 5 Deathwatch Bolter sprues
2 of 2 Iron Hand Thunder Hammers
2 of 2 Bags of Large Round Bases (they emailed me that these were coming at a later date)

Karnage
19-01-2008, 10:46
Odd that the Deathwatch Bolters were missing, as they were part of a Deathwatch Kill Team Bitz Pack in the catalogue. 10 bolters, 10 Deathwatch pads, and a mix of 5 uncovered heads and 5 helmets.

Is all of it coming at a later date or just the bases? Might be worth double checking on the bolters at least :S

Temprus
19-01-2008, 23:45
Just spoke to GW US. The Thunder Hammers and Bases are still coming. :) The rest are gone forever as separate bits in the USA, I got the last copies. They could not tell me how much the new DW kit is (said they have not been told yet). :cries:

Karnage
19-01-2008, 23:50
That sounds about right, the prices aren't in the catalogue either, I believe they said it was so they could release the same catalogue worldwide and put the respective prices on the appropriate websites. I'm looking forward to seeing the new range in full though in order to see what exactly I can get in terms of the classics and bits packs :D

junglesnake
20-01-2008, 16:25
Just spoke to GW US. The Thunder Hammers and Bases are still coming. :) The rest are gone forever as separate bits in the USA, I got the last copies. They could not tell me how much the new DW kit is (said they have not been told yet). :cries:

I wanted to get some bases a while back but the store had run out. They called mail order to see if they could order some in for me and found out they couldn't. They said I needed to order them individually for 18p each! I needed quite a few so that didn't seem to good compared to the old bags of them.

Apparently the reason for this is that they are changing over supplier. Instead I decided to order mine from Heresy who have the same basic bases and some nicer character ones and at a bit cheaper.

Having said that I would expect a return of the base bags at some point in the future.

boogle
20-01-2008, 22:33
I had a look at the catalogue in GW Plaza today, big fat meh from me i'm afraid

Gen.Steiner
20-01-2008, 22:35
I will be strong, and have faith in His Will. :)

Baltar
20-01-2008, 22:39
I had a look at the catalogue in GW Plaza today, big fat meh from me i'm afraid

Could you explain further?

boogle
20-01-2008, 22:47
No prices for a start, and to be honest, one would be a mug to purchase it

Gen.Steiner
20-01-2008, 22:54
No prices...

What?!

But... that's the most important bit! :confused:

boogle
20-01-2008, 23:07
Yep, that was my thought, i guess we'll have to wait for the prices to come online, but a few things i did notice:

DWKT - 10 heads, 10 pairs of Shoulder Pads and 10 Bolters
Metal Pads - much smaller range now (BA, UM, and a couple of others), 10 pads per pack
Metal Daemons, available in 3's 5's and 10's, same with some WFB packs