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Bregalad
23-01-2008, 21:37
Hi,

had a look at the new GW catalogue and it is completely different from the previous ones.
As a start it is several times as big (400+ pages) and the pics are larger.
It lists many miniatures that have been absent from stores for a while like special characters, Dark Eldar, Exorcist etc.
It includes the new Orks, LOTR Corsairs (February) but not Vampires.
WH and DH are listed together under "Inquisition".
It features single miniatures where you previously were only able to order one of three randomly (e.g. single ethereals or single Wraith Guard).
It lists 4 pages collector's miniatures as examples (like mail order only WE wardancers). These are not present in the main section.
It lists 4 pages bitz examples, referring again to the online-shop for details.
It features 8 pages Specialist games, even one page Inquisitor!
It costs 12.50 Euro in Germany.

Of course the catalogue features no prices (was too embarassing with the previous catalogue and the 4-5 price hikes since release ;)) and is full of mail order advertisment to lure customers from the brick and mortar shops.

It is a bit unclear, if normal retailers can order everything in the catalogue (it now has the longer online numbers, not the shorter blister numbers), as this was possible with all previous catalogues. This would be a major step forward. I will call GW tomorrow and ask.

Stella Cadente
23-01-2008, 22:28
I still think they should of put prices in, its not like they had to list every price for every country under every model, all they had to do was put a Letter by the model
a,b,c,d etc
and at the front of the book have a table with all prices, that corespond to a letter, just in the actual GW stores
for that ONE reason, I will not be buying it, its useless to me, all it is is allot of pictures and thats it, no useful information

The Guy
23-01-2008, 22:36
I think it's sick that you actually have to buy the things. Argos give them away, and are much much much bigger and detailed.
Just use online store. Cheaper.

Bloodknight
23-01-2008, 22:39
I think that price would be ok if it were a protective charge, ie you get the money back when you buy something out of that catalogue. As it is I could never be bothered to buy a collector's guide or catalogue because the shop will hand me one when I want to order and I do not see the advantage of owning one, especially not for that kind of money.

Gaebriel
23-01-2008, 23:32
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It features single miniatures where you previously were only able to order one of three randomly (e.g. single ethereals or single Wraith Guard).
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This sounds encouraging. Does it list single bits of multipart models or model kits (ie SM Veteran's arm, Steam Tank parts)?

What is the smallest orderable part of a blister/box?

Temprus
23-01-2008, 23:40
In the US, we are supposed to get cost sheets with our Catalogs, just like in the old days of GW Mail Order.

Bregalad
24-01-2008, 00:02
This sounds encouraging. Does it list single bits of multipart models or model kits (ie SM Veteran's arm, Steam Tank parts)?
What is the smallest orderable part of a blister/box?

No, no single bits in the main part of the book, only SOME single miniatures previously only available in blisters of three.
Bitz service will worsen, so no single arm orders any more. The bitz section shows examples like sets of 10 shoulder pads or a complete Rhinox.

Cirrus the Blue
24-01-2008, 01:04
No, no single bits in the main part of the book, only SOME single miniatures previously only available in blisters of three.
Bitz service will worsen, so no single arm orders any more. The bitz section shows examples like sets of 10 shoulder pads or a complete Rhinox.

I love the fact you can't order an Ogre head for Blood Bowl without the rest of the 25 dollar figure anymore, not to mention any neat arms or anything else like that for Orks without the rest of the 12 dollar body you don't need with the arm and backpack you already have multiples of already. :) Great frikking idea, GW!!!!!!! :D (can you sense any sarcasm in this post?!?!) :mad: Let's just hope that enough places like Battlewagonbitz or wherever decide to start doing bitz orders for metal pieces now that GW has completely screwdeiven the lot of us on conversion work. Lord knows I won't be making any more bitz orders directly from GW ever again unless this changes.

- Cirrus

Templar Ben
24-01-2008, 01:44
The GW here puts out a new cost booklet whenever the price changes.

silashand
24-01-2008, 06:11
Supposedly this will save them money in inventory and stocking costs. I say it will save them more money than they think since I doubt there will be much in the way of bitz orders at all now. I agree, I hope battlewagon bitz can pick up the slack somewhat. I am certainly not paying a crapload extra for stuff I have no desire for, regardless GW's statement that the extras are "good for your bitz box." Bah. Yet another reason not to buy anything from GW (like I needed another, but anyway).

Cheers, Gary

Cirrus the Blue
24-01-2008, 06:29
No kidding!!! The last bitz order I made was just 1 page long with multiples of I think 5 items, and even then the multiples were only 2 or 3. This order cost me over 150 bucks all by itself! I can handle that even if it's still super expensive, but I will NOT be willing to tack on an extra 250 for the rest of the crap I don't need! :mad:

- Cirrus

aenarion67
24-01-2008, 08:58
i had a look at the catalogue its preety good. soooo much eye candy....

Osbad
24-01-2008, 09:11
Its a classic "bean counter" decision. Clearly servicing "Bitz" orders in the old ways was hellishly expensive. BUT it was massively appreciated by those fans that used it (I never did as I'm not much interested in converting models - I've got enough of a backlog as it is so why would I want to slow the process down even further? :D). So restricting the service is yet more bad PR for the company.

The big question is whether the money saved from the streamlining excercise will outweigh the lost revenue caused by the bad PR as yet more woe is placed at the foot of "Greed Worship", and also avid converters don't bother anymore and effectively quit the hobby because its too much hassle and expense to carry on?

Time will tell I guess.

It has to be said that GW's bitz service WAS exemplary and pretty unique in the gaming world (although PP have last year just brought in there own). It was one of those things that "kept the flame alive" amongst those who still retained a "special reltionship" with GW. Its disappearance, while making absolute business sense, does add to the feeling that GW is getting totally corporate and more distanced from its customers and fans.

One to watch I guess.

Karnage
24-01-2008, 11:55
Some other examples of the bits packs were the obvious sets of Balrog and Pegasus Wings, 5 sets of Harpy Wings,sets of 5 Grey Knight Halberd arms or 5 Psycannon arms, and I also recall seeing a complete Carnosaur bits pack in there.

Avian
24-01-2008, 12:53
I have removed the discussion on recasting, which is not allowed on this forum. Kindly keep this thread on topic.

- The Moderators

Temprus
24-01-2008, 17:32
Some other examples of the bits packs were the obvious sets of Balrog and Pegasus Wings, 5 sets of Harpy Wings,sets of 5 Grey Knight Halberd arms or 5 Psycannon arms, and I also recall seeing a complete Carnosaur bits pack in there.

LOL, I bought up spare psycannon arms just incase it was one that did not make the bit reorg. I wonder if I will kick myself because they will be cheaper or be happy that I paid less for them.

Major King
24-01-2008, 22:51
In all honesty, if this is a sacrifice that GW has to make that has been encouraged by 'bean counters', of which i am one myself and fully appreciate the tactic they are using, means that GW has a better chance at surviving and putting out better quality models and good quality games for a long time, then im happy with it. I would rather spend more money on a bitz order than see a company that I, happily admit, am obsessed with and whose products I love.

People have gotta make difficult decisions to keep a business going at times, such is life. And at the end of the day, GW is a business. It's gotta make money to survive. Thats life and it sucks, but hate the game, not the player....

thinkerman
24-01-2008, 23:31
I dont think the new catalogue is too bad,its nice and flashy, only major issue with things is no choice of components and lack of prices

mechu95
25-01-2008, 22:22
TBH I have no need to buy it. At my local GW there is ALWAYS a catalogue that anyone could page through (even the manager said so), and as for prices I could just go on the Internet. Although yeah, if they put the prices in it, I would buy it, but right now no.

EDIT: Just read Ebolahond's post, and if they DO give a free price booklet, then I might quite likely buy it.

Templar Ben
25-01-2008, 23:15
Do they still have photos of the sprues in the catalog? I heard those were going away to just photos of how the models look when put together.

scarletsquig
26-01-2008, 00:07
In the long run, as GW converts everything to plastics, this will be a bit easier to take, since sprue orders will be the way to go.. and plastic is much cheaper than metal for conversion anyway.

Might not seem like it at the moment with some armies, but in my empire army (for which GW has released an almost entirely plastic range) there's enough stuff for most conversion needs to be met by the vast amount of bits on the sprues.

Only 40k army that's reached a comparable level of "plastic converting material" is space marines. Even the extras for various chapters are slowly being released as new plastics, there isn't a lot of need for metal SM parts anymore.

Ideally, they should end up releasing a few plastic "conversion/ equipment" sprues for each race, absolutely packed with plastic versions of the most popular metal bitz.

It's going to take a while, but eventually we should see all-plastic armies with the exception of a few special units/characters with a lot more conversion potential than the current range.

GW has reached the point where army revamps (other than the constant bugbears of chaos dwarves and dark eldar) are mostly complete and future released should end up refining the ranges (or expanding them in the case of stuff like space marines where virtually everything has already been "done").

andyfair
28-01-2008, 10:10
I can't get over the moaning on here as usual.

A 416 page full colour book of all GW models for only 8? What a fantastic price and surely something all collectors would want to get hold of. It's a piece of history.

Can't wait to get mine.

Stella Cadente
28-01-2008, 10:13
A 416 page full colour book of all GW models for only 8?
ONLY 8!!!!!!!! *goes to Argos* oooooh free catalogue

and surely something all collectors would want to get hold of.
nope

It's a piece of history.
Sun Tzu and the Art of War is a piece of History, a catalogue from GW is not

Osbad
28-01-2008, 10:38
This is a genuine query, not a sarcastic side swipe:

Looking at andyfair's post above, there are people out there prepared to pay 8 for the catalogue. Similarly there must be people who like WD as it stands.

See, I just don't understand why looking at pictures of painted models is such a big deal? GW clearly though believe it is what the majority of us want.

But when I look at WD and I see (for instance using the current issue as an exampl) the same few Harad models shown in the "new releases" section, in the Battle Report, in the "Designers notes", and in the Mail Order at the back, I find that total overkill. I find it simply boring to see the same models photographed time after time after time, and I will not want to pay 8 for the privilege of seeing them one more time!

Now 8 is hardly going to break the bank and I can see the need for a reference work if you are an avid converter/collector, but really, is there anyone out there that really likes this constant bombardment with repetitive photographs?

Temprus
28-01-2008, 14:59
They are just prepping us for the prepainted sprues and prepainted minis. ;)

I wish the catalog actually showed me what was in the boxes, not just one thing I can do with them.

Gaebriel
28-01-2008, 15:06
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I wish the catalog actually showed me what was in the boxes, not just one thing I can do with them.
I guess the argument is that you largely can do that one thing.

And honestly, there won't be so much more in the future, unless you're ready to shell out for a complete box to get an interesting bit :(

GW is at last adapting to the level of their competitors - we did want GW to become less elite, didn't we?

Crazy Harborc
29-01-2008, 01:50
I bought a GW catalogue a few years back. It did cost WAY too much. The first time I opened it and started to go through it page by page.....pages started to come unbound, unglued, to come out of it.:mad:

Since then, I have bought many armybooks, had pages come out of them, just one or two per armybook (THAT is still TOO many). I was lucky with my softcover 6th Edition WHFB rules. Several regular opponents had pages become unglued, unbound.

No way am I paying for another super thick looseleaf collection of soon to be unglued, unbound pages from GW......I'll pass.;)

andyfair
29-01-2008, 08:36
ONLY 8!!!!!!!! *goes to Argos* oooooh free catalogue

nope


What a poorly conceived response. Yes, people really are excited by photos of Kettles and Sofas aren't they?

If that's how you view GW and the hobby, surely you'd be happier taking up something else instead? Scalextric perhaps?

andyfair
29-01-2008, 08:42
This is a genuine query, not a sarcastic side swipe:

Looking at andyfair's post above, there are people out there prepared to pay 8 for the catalogue. Similarly there must be people who like WD as it stands.

See, I just don't understand why looking at pictures of painted models is such a big deal? GW clearly though believe it is what the majority of us want.

But when I look at WD and I see (for instance using the current issue as an exampl) the same few Harad models shown in the "new releases" section, in the Battle Report, in the "Designers notes", and in the Mail Order at the back, I find that total overkill. I find it simply boring to see the same models photographed time after time after time, and I will not want to pay 8 for the privilege of seeing them one more time!

Now 8 is hardly going to break the bank and I can see the need for a reference work if you are an avid converter/collector, but really, is there anyone out there that really likes this constant bombardment with repetitive photographs?

Yep and I am not what is referred to as a "teenage sucker" either, clocking up 41 years two weeks ago.

I believe it is common knowledge that more than half of the people who are involved with the GW hobby, are interested because of the painting and/or modelling aspect. I am certainly in that group. I don't mind playing but it is definitely second fiddle for me. Yes I am interested in the catalogue as it is a comprehensive statement of where GW is at the moment and it is a snapshot in history. And yes it contains some fabulous works of art.

Perhaps when some of you are a little older you will begin to appreciate what will become historical snapshots such as this. I am genuinely excited about going to my local store to pick up a copy.

Also with regards to WD, seeing the new releases is the highlight for me. I think perhaps many seasoned gamers have to realise that the market has changed. I know my son who also reads WD always pores over the new releases first.

Stella Cadente
29-01-2008, 09:04
What a poorly conceived response. Yes, people really are excited by photos of Kettles and Sofas aren't they?

If that's how you view GW and the hobby, surely you'd be happier taking up something else instead? Scalextric perhaps?
thats not the point, what does an argos catalogue have?, lts see
thousands and thousands of pictures
PRICES for EVERYTHING
and how much is it?, nothing, nadda, zip

and now GW's catalogue
the same pictures we see EVERYWHERE thousands of times
NO prices
and it costs 8

GW can shove it up there fat useless butts for all I care

it is a comprehensive statement of where GW is at the moment
you mean nowhere?

Perhaps when some of you are a little older you will begin to appreciate what will become historical snapshots such as this. I am genuinely excited about going to my local store to pick up a copy.
it will not become Historical

Also with regards to WD, seeing the new releases is the highlight for me. I think perhaps many seasoned gamers have to realise that the market has changed. I know my son who also reads WD always pores over the new releases first.
new releases are good, seeing the pics is good, seeing the same picture 50 times in one overpriced magazine is very VERY bad

Templar Ben
29-01-2008, 11:19
Perhaps when some of you are a little older you will begin to appreciate what will become historical snapshots such as this. I am genuinely excited about going to my local store to pick up a copy.

For the record Osbad is already old. REAL OLD. :p

Does the new catalog have the new bits packages or is it truly just photos of the different units?

Parts numbers haven't changed so why would anyone buy this if they pick up the old one at deep discount? Naturally you won't have the new Orks but as many have established real Ork players scratchbuild or kitbash.

Osbad
29-01-2008, 11:29
For the record Osbad is already old. REAL OLD. :p

*Osbad blows a raspberry at Templar Ben* :p

*Osbad shuffles off down to the Post Officer to pick up his pension for the second time today, having forgotten that he had already done it*

Yup, I'm 39. Still the "right" side of 40.... for the time being!

And I do like painting and modelling, and also gaming. I also like seeing pictures of models. But only once... As I really am not that old and I don't need to be shown the same picture of the same model 7 times before I've sucked all the juice out of that experience...

But that there are people out there who do enjoy it, I am happy to learn that fact!

And as for the "Not enjoying the Argos catalogue"! Tell that to my wife will you? She regularly wears ours out so that I often have to pop by on my way home from work to pick up a replacement. I swear that she must be a member of some secret cult that has the Argos catalogue as its Bible! The Ikea one too...

Which reminds me, a couple of years back Ikea tried to charge 3 for their catalogue. They stopped it the following year and its free again now.

Ironbreaker
29-01-2008, 12:10
When I went into my local GW they offered to pre-order the catalogue for me and told me about how many people were getting one set to the side for them.
I'll admit it looks really nice and it's pretty thick but when you only collect one army and only play one of the 3 core games, the appeal is somewhat limited.
He mentioned how it's far better value than the old 6 army-specific ones if you collect more than one army but that's not an advantage for me.

andyfair
29-01-2008, 13:48
The other point is having dipped my toe into publishing before I am well aware of the exorbitant printing costs.

I dread to think how much a full colour 416 page catalogue would cost to produce even if they've printed thousands of them.

I can't see there is any margin in them at all at 8 each.

Let's assume that they printed 100,000 'free copies' at a cost of 5 each. That's 500,000. Would people rather have that cost passed onto the prices of GW models ... or have that catalogue (reasonably) priced so that those who want it can buy it.

I would think a 1/2 million pound overhead to pass you on a free catalogue you don't really want wouldn't go down well would it?

Sometimes I think GW just can't win with some hobbyists, even when they do something right!

Stella Cadente
29-01-2008, 14:10
I would think a 1/2 million pound overhead to pass you on a free catalogue you don't really want wouldn't go down well would it?
if it was free, or priced well (4 AT THE VERY MOST), and had prices in it, then I would consider, and probably would buy it.
4 would be equal with there Other catalogue, White Dwarf (it not a hobby magazine afterall)


Sometimes I think GW just can't win with some hobbyists, even when they do something right!
well they haven't done anything right yet

Gaebriel
29-01-2008, 14:23
Having bought two Space Marine collector's compendiums, and joyfully shuffled through the big 90s catalogues, I think having nicely layouted catalogues is worth a couple of € - it's more comfortable than skimming the online shop.

However back then you could discover the most obscure bits from ages ago, and you could order that bit even if you just described it to the 'troll' on phone.

I'm unsure if I would want that catalogue now, if it's just a show of their streamlined range. I mean, seeing the sprues, thus getting a picture of the available bits would be an argument, but if it doesn't offer that...

andyfair
29-01-2008, 14:24
if it was free, or priced well (4 AT THE VERY MOST), and had prices in it, then I would consider, and probably would buy it.
4 would be equal with there Other catalogue, White Dwarf (it not a hobby magazine afterall)

well they haven't done anything right yet

I still don't understand why you would buy anything from GW, as you seem to have such a loathing for the company?

My logic over the catalogue as stated above, I think still stands.

There is no way GW could take the risk of selling a 416 page full colour catalogue for 4 and lose a huge amount of money on it.

Not another tired dig at White Dwarf :o. (By the way it's "their" not "there").

If someone can possibly come up with a better and more sensible way GW could have issued this catalogue, I'm sure we'd be all ears. So far though I can't see anyone coming up with anything better than what GW have actually done.

Or would people tolerate a 10% rise on all product prices to cover the cost of a catalogue of this size.

I repeat if you don't want it, don't buy it ... it's simple, really!

Stella Cadente
29-01-2008, 14:29
I still don't understand why you would buy anything from GW, as you seem to have such a loathing for the company?
I buy stuff from them, but thats it, I don't play in there stores that often at all, and 90% of my stuff I buy from cheaper places so they don't get my money, I deserve to loathe the company I spent 13yrs supporting, just to be screwed over by them time and again

There is no way GW could take the risk of selling a 416 page full colour catalogue for 4 and lose a huge amount of money on it.
then they shouldn't of made it, there gonna lose a large amount of money on it anyway, because I don't know anybody who wants to buy it

Not another tired dig at White Dwarf :o.
it deserves it

I repeat if you don't want it, don't buy it ... it's simple, really!
trust me, I won't be

Gaebriel
29-01-2008, 14:30
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Or would people tolerate a 10% rise on all product prices to cover the cost of a catalogue of this size.
...
Yes :angel:

But you will have unmasked the intent of that answer in a second ;)

spaint2k
29-01-2008, 16:28
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Perhaps when some of you are a little older you will begin to appreciate what will become historical snapshots such as this. I am genuinely excited about going to my local store to pick up a copy.


While I, on the other hand, am genuinely excited about having just finished downloading it for free, from GW's website.

All the people who don't like the price should just do what I did.

FWIW, I'm with Andyfair on wanting to have the record of GW's ranges at this point in time, but I certainly don't want to pay eight quid for it.

Cheers.
Steve

Gaebriel
29-01-2008, 16:33
While I, on the other hand, am genuinely excited about having just finished downloading it for free, from GW's website.
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A link for imbecile me, possibly? *preetyplease*

Charging for the print version makes sense, if it's just the print of an online version - they basically save you the cost of printing it. Then it's just the personal choice of on screen or on paper.

Scryer in the Darkness
29-01-2008, 16:37
A link for imbecile me, possibly? *preetyplease*
Yes, a linky? :)

spaint2k
29-01-2008, 16:38
Gah! I'm the one who's an imbecile... This thing is only 55 pages long: it's the "bitz" catalogue, not the entire thing.

You can see the download link here:
http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk

while the actual download link is
http://uk.games-workshop.com/download/download.htm?/shopping/assets/2008-Price-Booklet.pdf

Steve

Gaebriel
29-01-2008, 16:42
Thanks, but this is good :eek:

I wanted a comparable price list over currencies since the discussion about the new VC army.

Scryer in the Darkness
29-01-2008, 16:57
Dark Eldar 'slave girl' Prisoners 99060112055. I'll bet there'll be a lot of people wanting to get their hands on that Bits Pack! :D

Emperor's Grace
29-01-2008, 19:49
I think that price would be ok if it were a protective charge, ie you get the money back when you buy something out of that catalogue.

They used to (1999-2000?). I still have two of the Certificates that they used to come with. I wonder if they're still valid?


Yep and I am not what is referred to as a "teenage sucker" either, clocking up 41 years two weeks ago.

Going on 36 here. Good to see a few beards among the faces. :)


interested because of the painting and/or modelling aspect. I am certainly in that group. I don't mind playing but it is definitely second fiddle for me. Yes I am interested in the catalogue as it is a comprehensive statement of where GW is at the moment and it is a snapshot in history.

Seconded, I play sparsely but I love the craft and the fluff.


Also with regards to WD, seeing the new releases is the highlight for me. I think perhaps many seasoned gamers have to realise that the market has changed. I know my son who also reads WD always pores over the new releases first.

I miss the humor most but I do realize the shift/perceived need for shift. I just think more people appreciated the "flavor" when the mag read like it was tumbled together by a few friends you might have been drinking/playing with. (The Batreps come close sometimes.) I read it for the conversions, the fluff, and the tactics (need a leg up as I don't play often). I'd like to see articles return with the Mike Walker "pop into my club" attitude or Paul Sawyer's "Making a budget Chaos army".

TheBigBadWolf
29-01-2008, 21:05
I buy stuff from them, but thats it, I don't play in there stores that often at all, and 90% of my stuff I buy from cheaper places so they don't get my money

That has to be the stupidest thing ive heard who do you think they get their stuff from.

Stella Cadente
30-01-2008, 06:49
That has to be the stupidest thing ive heard who do you think they get their stuff from.
from GW at a LOWER price obviously, but that means GW don't get full price back from them

Doctor Know
30-01-2008, 07:22
I buy stuff from them, but thats it, I don't play in there stores that often at all, and 90% of my stuff I buy from cheaper places so they don't get my money, I deserve to loathe the company I spent 13yrs supporting, just to be screwed over by them time and again

then they shouldn't of made it, there gonna lose a large amount of money on it anyway, because I don't know anybody who wants to buy it

it deserves it

trust me, I won't be


from GW at a LOWER price obviously, but that means GW don't get full price back from them

Unless you mean that you are buying your goods from "it fell off the back of a truck" type shady dealers, GW gets the same amount no matter which independent retailer you buy from. They get their wholesale price, the only issue is how much mark-up the middle man gets; presumably their own retail outlets are somewhat more profitable for them (perhaps there are some retailers that can demand a better wholesale too), but then they also have the additional overhead.

Unless you're buying counterfeit or stolen goods, GW is getting their cut from you, sorry to burst your bubble.

Stella Cadente
30-01-2008, 07:24
Unless you mean that you are buying your goods from "it fell off the back of a truck" type shady dealers, GW gets the same amount no matter which independent retailer you buy from. They get their wholesale price, the only issue is how much mark-up the middle man gets; presumably their own retail outlets are somewhat more profitable for them (perhaps there are some retailers that can demand a better wholesale too), but then they also have the additional overhead.

Unless you're buying counterfeit or stolen goods, GW is getting their cut from you, sorry to burst your bubble.
I have my sources;), but trust me, there not illegal in ANY way, just damned cheaper:D (when there available)

Bloodknight
30-01-2008, 11:32
I guess that source is a Redshirt. And in that case it's still illegal because they are not allowed to sell the stuff to you.

Stella Cadente
30-01-2008, 11:56
I guess that source is a Redshirt. And in that case it's still illegal because they are not allowed to sell the stuff to you.
either way its off topic
on topic, as I have said
Catalogue=pointless

Keravin
30-01-2008, 12:01
There's some odd changes in there.

Why does the High Elf mage on page 12 now come with a phoenix base when it used to be rocks?

The armour pack is good.

Avian
30-01-2008, 16:01
Why does the High Elf mage on page 12 now come with a phoenix base when it used to be rocks?

That model has always had a birdie thing. Not sure what you are mixing it up with...


The Savage Orc Boar Boy command on the same page appears to be very good value for the money if it indeed contains a Boss, a standard bearer and a musician. I suspect it is just the parts to make one of them.


And a lot of the items make very little sense. One *random* model of a type? Who the heck wants a random vintage model?

I like the grot tekkies set on page 51, though. :)

Templar Ben
31-01-2008, 01:08
I got the catalog. I had to see what it looks like.