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Glabro
29-01-2008, 00:04
GW's decision to cut Black Industries got me thinking. Why not follow GW's example and concentrate on fewer things instead of trying to collect many games?

As a long-time player of GW's games, I've naturally dabbled in them all. 40k, Warhammer, LOTR, TCGs, RPGs and BL novels.

Well, GW has cut out TCGs and soon RPGs (of the GW sort) out for me already (or at least the spending on them). Why not continue the trend and use same logic GW uses - concentrate on the main thing. With loads of unpainted models and little enough opportunities to play one miniatures game, let alone two or three, why not cut out any spending on Warhammer (in this case, and LOTR of course, although I haven't bought anything for that in a long while)?

Maybe concentrating on just 40k is a better use of my time and money than trying to do more than that? Of course, my spending is not influenced by disposable income (since there isn't really any of it, just savings), as I am too careful with my money, so there won't be any more cash funneling into 40k than before, which is a good thing.

I might retain one existing army (Maybe the upcoming Vampire Counts) for Fantasy, but otherwise I could get rid of the other FB armies...

In the same vein, I have enough unread BL novels from their sales that I don't think I will be buying any more of their books either, with the possible exception of the missing Space Wolf novels (if I can get them cheap), barring any super sales.

So, what do you think? Would I be able to get more done by concentrating instead of being overwhelmed by too many games & armies?

How many of you veterans are out there in a similar situation, and would you consider a similar choice, perhaps as a reaction (with sensible reasons, of course) to GW's irritating business decisions? Maybe this would be something that would be good to relate to GW in a letter, too?

(Sorry for the rant, but I'm being sincere about the main question.)

blackspring
29-01-2008, 00:26
I actually feel you here. I have been pondering doing the exact same thing you are talking about by focusing my attention and pocketbook on one core game.

Currently I own a little bit of everything: BFG, Mordheim, Bloodbowl, Warmachine, WHFB, 40k, and etc. When deciding which game I would likely concentrate on, like you, I thought it safest to stick with 40k as that seems to be the best supported game by GW, as well that 40k is the most played game in my region. Of the GW games, I prefer fantasy, but with the recent trend in GW's business decisions, it seems "safest" to continue investing my time and money in the game that will most likely weather the storm in its current form, so to speak.

I've also been thinking of cutting out GW altogether and concentrating mainly on Privateer games, but due to lack of opponents and open-mindedness to anything other than GW in my area, I am left with few options, which are becoming fewer.

ashc
29-01-2008, 00:29
That'll be even easier when Games Workshop 'cutbacks' include the removal of Forgeworld, Warhammer Fantasy, and most of the races from 40k.

Warhammer 40,000: In The Grim Darkness of the Future, there is only Space Marines.

Anyway, answering your real question yes, you may find concentrating on one thing will focus you and you will better spend your time, but I also find I can get bored easily with only one thing; thats why I play a number of different miniature games, as well as rpg's and board games. Variety is the spice of life after all.

Ash

Minister
29-01-2008, 00:33
It occurs to me: surely the proposed MMORPG (*hawk* *spit*) will draw far more attention from the main lines than the real RPGs could ever do. Does this bode ill for Age of Reckoning?

On the subject of whether this will increase my expenditure on 40K or Fantasy... no. I'd already elected to start a wind-down on my 40K spending, and my Fantasy purchasing is limited to "I will get an Ogre Kingdoms army, paint it and give it two coats of varnish". If anything at all (other than not getting into Dark Heresy) it may leave me with a bad taste in my mouth and reduce my buying of Black Library novels even more than my increased buying of graphic novels has.

Templar Ben
29-01-2008, 00:35
GW needs to focus more on Space Marines.

Gaebriel
29-01-2008, 00:42
GW needs to focus more on Space Marines.
Prepainted Space Marines :angel:

*cough*

I think one of the advantages of wargaming, not unlike roleplaying, is diversity. In my eyes it doesn't hurt to dabble in a multitude of systems, armies, model ranges. That way, as soon as one thing goes stale, the next is already there, then the next and so on.

I played about half a dozen rpg systems seriously, and about two dozen on the side. I'm currently plowing through history with a dozen or so systems I want to play over the coming years.

So no, I don't think, there is need to limit oneself to just one system. If things are getting done that's fine, but if projects are running forever that doesn't hurt.

For me it's the doing, not the completing that counts (not that I wouldn't complete things then and now, but I guess you know what I mean).

Minister
29-01-2008, 00:48
Single-piece mounded pre-painted Space Marines, of course.

Collectable too, so you get the excitement of what might be awaiting you inside the pack.

Glabro
29-01-2008, 01:23
Thanks for the input, guys!
So, what do you think about the idea of expressing this in a letter to GW? Maybe if others took the challenge too, I'd actually get around to writing it.

Oh, and never you mind about my gaming getting boring. I'd still have multiple gaming interests, mostly RPGs and board games in addition to miniature games, not to mention video games, movies & series etc.

Hellfury
29-01-2008, 02:49
So, it's better to concentrate on fewer things, is it?

Yes, thats why I am currently cataloging my 40K stuff and most of my other GW stuff in order to sell it all.

The odd thing is is that I don't feel the least bit bad about it.

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

Plenty better fish out there to eat.

nanktank
29-01-2008, 06:08
I am just about ready to sell both my remaining 40k army and fantasy army, as all of my friends have stopped playing I don't really feel like bothering to find a wargaming club, the only thing that was keeping me buying miniatures was the modelling and painting, but even there I have found that GW in my opinion dont produce sculpts that I like anymore. At least the extra cash will go towards my new kitesurfing rig

Osbad
29-01-2008, 09:02
I've been there for a while now. Unfortunately for GW though the games I have cut out of my repertoire and stopped supporting (in terms of new miniatures, I do still play many games from time to time, its just I don't buy new stuff for most of them is all) have been all of theirs! I now only buy Warmachine/Hordes and AT-43 when it comes to "army-building" type games. Although I do still dabble in games that require only a handful of figures - which I either staff from my collection or buy from "independent" manufacturers.


Thanks for the input, guys!
So, what do you think about the idea of expressing this in a letter to GW? Maybe if others took the challenge too, I'd actually get around to writing it.

Wouldn't do any harm. Of course 1 or even a 100 letters are unlikely to make much difference, but it surely can't do any harm to explain to anyone who may listen at Lenton just how their management decisions have negatively impacted on your enjoyment of the games GW make and resulted in your decision not to continue buying new stuff.

If you don't tell them, they aren't ever going to find out any other way!

I wrote them a letter when WD first went down the pan a year or 2 back, and before that I wrote a letter about other specific games issues that concerned me. I made polite points and simply explained the impact on me, and in both cases I got an good acknowledgement.

In the end you've got to accept that as a gamer with >2 years' experience you are considered to be an expendable minority by GW senior management, so therefore your views are always going to be considered as unrepresentative of their "Normal" customers (who, it seems to me they consider to by aged 14, with an IQ smaller than their shoe size and a wallet of infinite capacity and little independent discernment..., but that's just me being a female dog!)

DonkeyMan
29-01-2008, 09:18
I can already see it. The 6th edition of 40K called: The Space Marine Civil Wars!

Okay on topic now:
Problem in concentrating in fewer things is, that you actually support GW strategy as it is right now.
With BI closed down, I see a dark future for all Specialist Games (which isn't that dark as they are barely supported anyway).
And if people just buy 40K or the core games GW will see themselves to be right.
If you want to concentrate on one army, then do so because you want it on your own, regardless of what GW does.
If you want to do this as a kinf of protest, then you better stop buying GW products at all.

blongbling
29-01-2008, 09:51
It occurs to me: surely the proposed MMORPG (*hawk* *spit*) will draw far more attention from the main lines than the real RPGs could ever do. Does this bode ill for Age of Reckoning?


AoR is a licence, not a GW product.

reds8n
29-01-2008, 13:26
I can already see it. The 6th edition of 40K called: The Space Marine Civil Wars!



You joke but they've already said they won't (can't?) advance the timeline past the 13th Black Crusade..... and there's all that backstory to fill in.

And the Heresy Series sells the most..... and people love marines.... and people clamour for Epic which was, originally anyway, set during the Heresy......

what's that expression about giving people what they want ? ;)

They would of course have to sue and close down the fine lads from Bell of Lost Souls for their kickass Heresy era ruleset they developed. But that would of course be a "purely commercial decision" so we wouldn't mind.

.... Right ?

Glabro
29-01-2008, 13:35
Okay on topic now:
Problem in concentrating in fewer things is, that you actually support GW strategy as it is right now.
With BI closed down, I see a dark future for all Specialist Games (which isn't that dark as they are barely supported anyway).
And if people just buy 40K or the core games GW will see themselves to be right.
If you want to concentrate on one army, then do so because you want it on your own, regardless of what GW does.
If you want to do this as a kinf of protest, then you better stop buying GW products at all.

As I said, I am confident that my expenditure on 40k won't change at all whether or not I buy other stuff or not. That's because of my financial situation and spending habits. I won't suddenly pick up new armies besides the ones I've always wanted (new Space Wolves, Orks) or make those armies any larger than they would have been (I usually plan out a 2000-point list and buy to match).

If GW still considers a loss on all other lines and a stable situation in the main line as good, then good for them.

Jim
29-01-2008, 15:07
I've been caught out twice in the past buying new army deals on realease (Necrons & Tau) and then never getting round to finishing them - to be honest most of them didn't make off the frame they arrived on!!!

Therefore I myself am concentrating on 1 army for 40K (Pre-Heresy World Eaters) and 1 army for Fantasy (Vampire Counts).

Hopefully this means I will get a decent 1,500-2,000 point army for both completed before moving onto whatever interests me next.

Jim

PS Although I agree that closing BInd is not great news - at least they managed to release the rules before they got closed down - every cloud has a silver lining, etc...

Mr. Smuckles
29-01-2008, 15:51
I find it's best to concentrate on painting and not buying anything until everything I have at the time is painted. This ensures that GW gets my money at an extremely slow rate.

blackspring
29-01-2008, 18:05
Okay on topic now:
Problem in concentrating in fewer things is, that you actually support GW strategy as it is right now.
With BI closed down, I see a dark future for all Specialist Games (which isn't that dark as they are barely supported anyway).
And if people just buy 40K or the core games GW will see themselves to be right.
If you want to concentrate on one army, then do so because you want it on your own, regardless of what GW does.
If you want to do this as a kinf of protest, then you better stop buying GW products at all.

I don't see my consolidation of games so much as a protest rather an act of self-preservation. I simply don't have the time to invest in multiple games. By concentrating on one or maybe even two games, I hope to therefore increase my enjoyment of those particular games. Lets hope that works for me, eh? ;)

Glabro
29-01-2008, 21:18
Oh, and before you wonder why I have so many armies despite saying that I don't impulse buy: I've gotten all of them as superb second-hand deals. I might not impulse-buy at retail prices (or discounted retail prices), but I am fallible to deals like 60-80% off via second hand...

DonkeyMan
29-01-2008, 21:20
@Glabro&blackspring

Oh, I agree with you guys. All I wanted to say is, that if you want to concentrate on one core only for example (due to time issues or whatever) then do so.
But if you want to play several core games and specialist games and still have time for it, but decide to focus on one, just because BI was closed down, then don't.

scarletsquig
29-01-2008, 22:31
I get the feeling that Fantasy would already be dead if plastic kits didn't take so long (several years) to recover the production costs on.

Archaon
29-01-2008, 22:42
I don't know if concentrating one one army alone would be so good in the long run.

I'm playing Dark Elves for years now and it's my only army right now. While i still like them and can't wait for the new book i'm kind of fed up with them. I've played most compositions you can with them over the years and i need something new.

Sadly due to me being unemployed last year and only having a (currently not so well paying) job and a move to a new appartment in a few months my gaming budget is non-existant right now so a new army is out of the question. I recently borrowed an Empire army from a friend and i must say it was a fresh wind in my Fantasy gaming to command a different army.

So no.. too much concentration is not good. Having 2-3 armies per system is ok i think. "Moderate" (for this hobby anyway) investment, always something to do with different models (paint Chaos minis this month.. next month some Lizardmen etc) would be the advantage and you'd have variation.

Axel
29-01-2008, 23:49
Perhaps I should concentrate on Flamers of War. At least that line won`t be dropped and I can use the models later on...

In a world where there is only GW that decision might make sense. But there are plenty of other worlds out there. Spreading the 40k universe into other gaming types makes sense.

I think that will only stop when the shareholders stop it.

Glabro
30-01-2008, 02:00
Oh, I definitely plan to have 2-3 armies for 40k. After all, this helps with those who can't help but tool up against certain armies - they won't know in advance.

BI's closure was the catalyst that gave me the idea to start concentrating instead of spreading myself wide in both main games.

It's not that I don't have a lot of free time, it's just that opportunities to play miniatures are a bit few and far between because my club weekends are taken by regular RPG campaigns mostly, and I don't game at home (or at any silly shop) But times change...maybe we'll build the space and terrain somewhere to enable playing at home.