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imperial_communist
04-02-2008, 09:44
my army is imperial guard and i want it to look good
but the problem is if i make it look to communist it will look like the russian red army i want to use images of lenim and che guvera and carl marks
but if i use to many communist flags it will look stupid any suggestions?:confused:
By The Way Im Using Cadians

PLEASE DONT GET TO POLITIACAL OR RELIGEOUS OR THIS WILL BE DELETED

bosstroll
04-02-2008, 09:50
Well, if you want your guard army to resemlbe a "real" soviet russian army, google some pics and paint your models to resemble that. Iirc the soviet armies used the red star quite a lot, but not too much other communist embalishments.

And you can keep the really cool looking communist images and save them for standard bearers etc.

Gen.Steiner
04-02-2008, 10:06
What period of the Soviet Union?

If you do one based on the Russian Civil War, red flags were the order of the day, every unit had at least one and usually more.

Personally I would give each Command Squad a flag, and each trooper a red armband. :)

Hasan ibn Sabbah
04-02-2008, 10:29
Maybe some models from Valhalan range, as far as I remember, there were a fev models with very wide hats characteristic for old soviet officers (In Poland we call them "carriers"). Also, It would be extremely cool to convert basilisk for one of their massive rocket launchers that they loved to show on parades.

If you're happy with green-stuff, you just must try to remove some of that stupid cadian helmets and make some old, red army, pointy hats
like this (http://www.wydawnictwo.umk.pl/s_1631.jpg)

Colonel Stagler
04-02-2008, 10:31
Get some russian heads with helmets or them side caps from westwind productions SHS , or if you wanted the more futuristic look, go for pig iron helmet gasmask heads.
Painting wise, Id stick to light camo green for fatigues, Tan helmets and armour, and red armbands or an army badge on the shoulderpad if you are indeed using cadian models.
Stagler Out

Bunnahabhain
04-02-2008, 10:44
All chimeras to be converted- to 6 or 8 wheels

Predominatnt colour scheme for Russian armourhas been a darkish green for a long time.

Standard markings didn't really exist, but the most common are either just 3 or 4 digit vehicle numbers, normally in white or red on the turret, or something that looks like, a letter followed by 3 or 4 digits, as above, or something that looks like:


/\
/34\
----
\19/
\/

Two numbers in a diamond, split in half with a horizontal line.

To fit the theme, lots of conscripts, storm troopers are a Guards unit, and veterans are spetznaz. RR are cossacks.

If you don't mind a serious conversion, look up pictures of Katyushas, and use in place of a Basalisk. Try BM-13 or Guards mortar battery as search terms if you have difficulty finding them.

As Steiner suggests, a red flag in every command squad. I'd also include a medic in each command squad, as the Russian army has had a high proportion of field medics for a long time- 5 per infantry company during most of the Great Patriotic war.

Commisars were only present at company level for a short while, normally, they stayed with quite senior officers, so one with the senior officer on the field is the most you should have.

You should have mortars. Either standard ones, which are close to an 82mm in effect, or use the FW heavy mortars, which are 120 and 160mm heavy mortars.
Other artillery should also be present.

Russes do well as russian tanks. They're crude, but effective, and their main gun isn't great for anti-tank work*, as it's got to have a good HE round for infantry support.

* There are WW2 letters telling factories not to produce certain guns to be fitted to tanks, as they were too good at killing tanks, so people would do that, and not support the infantry.....

Doctrines.
fluffy:
Mechanised. We will crush you under many, many tanks
Die hards.
Iron D. Both- it's better to fight the enemy and possibley die, than fall back, and definitley do so in a punishment unit...


not fluffy:
light infantry. Infilitarition left to small, specialist units, eg veterans
cyber e
warrior w
Independat comms- never independant. Independance is not waht was ordered!
drop troops- too many diasters when trying large scale parachute drops meant idea dropped out of favour

others neither right nor wrong

EDIT.

Other points. No voxes. Russian radios have long been rubbish, and in short supply

jfrazell
04-02-2008, 11:07
Be aware though if you start putting icons of the Soviet Union or other real life communists nations you might get some responses you hadn't anticipated. Sovietlike ok but if you put Castro or something on there you might get thrown out of the store. Its akin to putting Nazi flags on your army.

Paulie Walnut
04-02-2008, 11:14
I hardly think putting an Image of Che on a banner would be the same as putting a Nazi Symbol on it (besides the Nazi Symbol was a symbol of luck or symbol for Thor's Hammer in other regions of the world during other time periods). But I will agree, putting Stalin or Lenin on your Banners might cause some poeple to be upset.

U could still have images of iconized Imperial Heroes using a Che-Guevera Red/Black style for painting Portraits or something.

Hasan ibn Sabbah
04-02-2008, 11:15
All chimeras to be converted- to 6 or 8 wheels

Chimera is amphibious so I think it would be me more like MT-LB and BDM armored transporters (they were both amphibious and had tracks).

For Basylisk, I would say that SA-6 GAINFUL KUB (this fella) (http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/row/sa-6-DFSN8301193_JPG.jpg)would look much cooler than Katyusha.

Brimstone
04-02-2008, 11:49
I've just removed a lot of posts more suited to P&R than 40K General.

It's perfectly possible to discuss this topic without going into territory more suited to the P&R forum so lets keep it suitable please otherwise it will be deleted/moved as applicable.

Thank you

The Warseer Inquisition

imperial_communist
04-02-2008, 12:19
ty for your thaughts everyone

Gen.Steiner
04-02-2008, 12:20
If you're using Cadians, then you're really stuck with the Red Army of the 1980s-present. I'd go for colour schemes stolen from the 1980s, Google-search Red Army Afghanistan and see what comes up. :)

imperial_communist
04-02-2008, 12:31
Ive decided on red flack armour and green clothing
and ill have a go at the basilisk frog missile launcher ty any more things people wanna say

jfrazell
04-02-2008, 13:33
Arghh my recommendation got zapped as well.

-Look for modern pictures or afghanistan pics for a "modern" rooskie army. Edit: Steiner beat me to it
-BMPs make great chimeras (thats what they are modelled on). Its also the opportunity to model a T-80 tank for your lemans.
-Use Imperial icons (especially in red) in place of the Soviet star etc.
-If troopy, give your squads bannermaen with stylized pictures of yourself or comrade borsht or whatever.

I'd also look to the ork line for grenades and other bits that might be helpful.

Thud
04-02-2008, 16:30
If I were you I'd use more red flags and red stars on vehicles, and less more obvious communist symbols such as the hammer and sickle etc. This is mainly for two reasons; first of all it'll hopefully keep you from getting thrown out of the store (I don't know where you're from, but in certain countries like the US or the East Bloc this could be an issue) and also it'll make it less overt and flamboyant.

Also, for the banner bearers instead of the USSR Red Banner (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_the_Soviet_Union) you could just remove the hammer and sickle and it would still have a strong communist look to it. Also, it's worth noting that the Norwegian labour movement used only the hammer as their symbol, so that could be an idea.

Gen.Steiner
04-02-2008, 16:47
Flag-wise, you could always do the pre-1923(?) symbol of the Soviets, which was a golden Hammer and Plough on a red field.

Or, of course, a red flag with slogans such as "Proletarians! Arise!" on them in gold. Extra bonus points if they're written in Cyrillic or translated into Latin...!

jfrazell
04-02-2008, 17:22
I think a banner with a red acquila (we are talking Imperium here) or red hello Kitty would be optimum :)

I don't know about you, but other than a flaming homeless guy attacking me, an army being led by Hello Kitty would scare the CENSORED out of me :eek:

Gen.Steiner
04-02-2008, 17:27
Ah, but how about an image of the God Emperor as New Socialist Man? ;)

After all, the Cult of the Leader is easily applicable to the Cult of the Emperor!

jfrazell
04-02-2008, 17:46
That would work, although not as scary as Hello Kitty :)

For reference there's a pic of the emperor facing down Horus in the BGB (and other places I'm sure). Its very stylized and heroic. There's also a pic from a thread on this board about the emperor and some nuns with guns (in the background I think) which is overstylized and might also be perfect. I'll see if I can find them.

edit: here's one
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/197/120113873898so9.jpg

Stormhammers
04-02-2008, 18:23
a red banner with the aquilla would look pretty nice. I would suggest using metal vallhallans, as they would work perfectly IMO, but they are very expensive

Gen.Steiner
04-02-2008, 20:02
And also currently unavailiable from GW.

jfrazell
04-02-2008, 20:30
ebay is an option. These guys look very WWII so be aware of that.

of course there's a gazillion makers of WWII troopers.

Gen.Steiner
04-02-2008, 20:53
Or, if you wanted a Future-Sov look to your army, try Copplestone Castings' (www.copplestonecastings.com) Neo-Sov figures from his Future Wars range:

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c51/GenSteiner/Neo-Sovs.jpg
Top to bottom: Neo-Sov Regulars 1, Neo-Sov Regulars 2, Neo-Sov Specialists, Neo-Sov Officers.

They're limited in weapons and can't be used in GW stores, but do perfectly capture the look you're going for. :)

RadiO
04-02-2008, 21:43
Trim the Hunter Killer missile rail so that it has an upwards tilt, then stick it on top of the Chimera's multilaser. Screamingly obvious, but it looks so very, very cool. For extra points trim down the HK missile itself at the front, so it looks more like its inspiration, the AT-3 Sagger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AT-3_Sagger) - that way, it looks less cumbersome and plays up the BMP/BMD connection even more.
If you want a more modern look for your HKs, you could do what the Soviets did with the BMP-2, and mount either an Space Marine HK launcher or a piece of plastic tube on top of the turret, offset to the left.

catdubh
04-02-2008, 22:57
Get some russian heads with helmets or them side caps from westwind productions SHS , or if you wanted the more futuristic look, go for pig iron helmet gasmask heads.
Painting wise, Id stick to light camo green for fatigues, Tan helmets and armour, and red armbands or an army badge on the shoulderpad if you are indeed using cadian models.
Stagler Out


For WW2 I have tried the Russian Helmets, was not impressed, far to comic like. I have a test figure converted from a standard cadian using these helmets, very easy all you need is a file and knife. I'd like to post a picture but I'm worried its to P&R and I don't want to upset the Inquisition.

For leman Russ I was going to use 1/48 KV2. With a bit of Plastic card track skirts and you have my favourite Guard tank of them all the Ragnarok. :)

http://www.cg-lair.co.uk/40k/40K_pic231.htm

http://www.shop.edirectory.co.uk/model_hobbies/88888/mia/d/plastic+model+kits+hobby+boss+1+48+kv+2+tank+84816/pid/5790097

No Red Stars just Red eagles and slogans on the tanks, now whats Russian for "Crush the Xeno Beasts" :)

Modern Russian, just file down the the cadian helmet, looks very russian. (see attached). link to tread showing result http://warseer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1888070&postcount=6

1/48 scale T-80 looks good, have not tried the BMP.

If 5th edition goes the way we think it is, I may restart this project. Russian style tanks and massed infantry charging forward, happy days! :evilgrin:

Captain Micha
04-02-2008, 23:00
I used a Russian T72 at 1/35 scale from Tamiya. Getting the sponsons to work was a royal pain though. (looks so much better than that post ww1 piece of junk that is the current Russ model) Snow and urban camouflage with a slim red band on the arms are another way to do it.

Gen.Steiner
04-02-2008, 23:01
For WW2 I have tried the Russian Helmets, was not impressed, far to comic like. I have a test figure converted from a standard cadian using these helmets, very easy all you need is a file and knife. I'd like to post a picture but I'm worried its to P&R and I don't want to upset the Inquisition.

I don't think that'll get the thread P&R train'd. :) I'd like to see!

catdubh
04-02-2008, 23:15
I don't think that'll get the thread P&R train'd. :) I'd like to see!

Ok General, no problem, but as I'm in the UK like yourself its a bit to late, I'll have to leave it until Tomorrow afternoon. Time to hit the sack.

Stormhammers
05-02-2008, 03:42
And also currently unavailiable from GW.

they are?! (checks out the GW site) oh damn...well, my dreams of finishing my heavy weapon squads have been nearly dashed, just needed a hvy bolter and mortar to be done...sonofa...what happened to all the old IG?! they're all gone!! wow GW just pissed me off, more than ever before...wow, angery and speachless (nearly)

back to the question at hand...you can also find some tamiya models (1:48 scale) that work very well with guard, they have kv-1's and 2 as well as t-34's. some conversion work and voila, a very soviet-themed IG tank

Gen.Steiner
05-02-2008, 07:30
Fret not! You can still buy the Valhallan Mortar (and maybe the HB) from their 2008 Catalogue.

But just nothing else Valhallan. Christ alone knows why. :wtf:

jfrazell
05-02-2008, 11:15
I used a Russian T72 at 1/35 scale from Tamiya. Getting the sponsons to work was a royal pain though. (looks so much better than that post ww1 piece of junk that is the current Russ model) Snow and urban camouflage with a slim red band on the arms are another way to do it.

1/35 scale-it must have been the size of a landraider. now thats a tank.

You could always mount the weapons co-axially on the turrent and count them as side sponsons. I did that with my conversions and have seen better versions of that as well.

Edit: Steiner does the mortar come with crew? If really needed you can use the heavy weapons from the crapachan line and just use those minis (or the cadian line as well if you don't have legacy heavy weapons).

new edit: This link has autocannon and missile launchers. you can use these crew with crapachan lascannons and H bolters as well.
http://store.us.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.us?do=List_Models&code=301319&orignav=301117&GameNav=301115

Gen.Steiner
05-02-2008, 13:43
Yes, the mortar does come with crew. :)

Vic
05-02-2008, 13:51
Use heads from Pig Iron Kolony Militia range. The heads are exactly what you are looking for (late cold war era kettle helmets). They do use NBC gear under the helmet though, but that just makes it look sweeter and you dont have to resort to using Kneadatite (green stuff's real name).

Captain Micha
05-02-2008, 20:59
1/35 scale-it must have been the size of a landraider. now thats a tank.

You could always mount the weapons co-axially on the turrent and count them as side sponsons. I did that with my conversions and have seen better versions of that as well.

Edit: Steiner does the mortar come with crew? If really needed you can use the heavy weapons from the crapachan line and just use those minis (or the cadian line as well if you don't have legacy heavy weapons).

new edit: This link has autocannon and missile launchers. you can use these crew with crapachan lascannons and H bolters as well.
http://store.us.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.us?do=List_Models&code=301319&orignav=301117&GameNav=301115

Actually I'm not sure if it is or not the size of a land raider. However I can tell you it is actually at the right size for a three man crew, an engine bay, ammo stores and what not. Which is a great deal better than what I can say for the Gw vehicles. I thought about mounting it on the turret coaxially but my turret can rotate *L* Also the laser cut radiator grills were nice too.... not sure they were worth the extra twenty dollars I paid for them... but they do look nice. (still cheaper than a russ though hehe)

Are land raiders about monolith sized or are they smaller? They are one of those mythical units you only hear about people using on the internet around here. my monolith is over all larger than the tank.

Resurrected
06-02-2008, 00:08
You could try something like this...


I hope this works Ive never added a picture attachment...

Anyways, these arnt mine, but are a member of this forums models. He hasnt been active in a while and I spent ages trying to find this for you ( but also for me cause they are pretty sweet like).

Enjoy!

Stormhammers
06-02-2008, 07:01
Are land raiders about monolith sized or are they smaller? They are one of those mythical units you only hear about people using on the internet around here. my monolith is over all larger than the tank.

in my experience it has always been the other way around, I rarely ever see monoliths but quite a few land raiders. I have one as well, so they are far from mythical. I've found that 1:48 scale works better for 40K, I have a number of shermans and a wolverine that I'm in the process of converting. Someone beat me to it, but yes, pig iron has some great heads you can slap on the cadians and look pretty nice (been toying with that idea for a few months) I'm gonna have to pick up those valhallans with a quickness. It does make very little sense that they would just stop selling the riflemen...just another inexplicable decision made by gw

catdubh
06-02-2008, 22:13
I don't think that'll get the thread P&R train'd. :) I'd like to see!

Sorry General, been very busy so I'm a day late. Cadian to WW2 Russian stylie with just a file knife and Westwind heads.

jfrazell
06-02-2008, 22:42
Thats pretty good. How much do the heads cost?