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31-03-2009, 10:56
Part two of photos

The black tank looks like some lazy black templar player has undercoated it! :)

31-03-2009, 12:19
The black tank looks like some lazy black templar player has undercoated it! :)

That's my personal theory why people play Black Templar. It's the easiest army to paint.
Hay people make fun of my ultra Smurfs. So I can make fun of you guys too.

31-03-2009, 13:08
Yeah, because it's so damned hard to shake up a can of blue krylon. Srsly.

Any new pictures to dribble over?

01-04-2009, 02:16
OK, I worked on the front end.
I made some changes to how the pieces come together.
I used more 90 degree angles as the 45 degree angles are very hard to do with hand tools and hand sanding block.
45 degree ones are just too hard to get them to line up cleanly.
Also reduced the number of alignment tabs as there were more than was needed and simplified the commanders hatch to something that can be cast as two pieces.
Did more work on the turret and added more options for it.
So is it any good?

01-04-2009, 02:56
Excellent, but with the changes can you still fit in the HB/HF hull mount pit?

Also, can you swap out (as currently designed) the barrel and it's mount on the turret? I think a larger roller and a quad barrel would look ace, since it's evolved into a AAA turret judging by the sensor suite.

May just be the way it's fitted together, but you may want to check the fit on the wedge risers, they look a little large.

By the by, the side detail level is PERFECT. Out-fracking-standing!

01-04-2009, 04:32
Excellent, but with the changes can you still fit in the HB/HF hull mount pit?

-I forgot about the pit until after I had made the front plate.
If it is OK, I will make a mounting plate that will accept a Heavy Bolter/flamer that you can just glue onto the front, if you decide to mount a weapon there.
If not, I can make a new front plate.

Also, can you swap out (as currently designed) the barrel and it's mount on the turret? I think a larger roller and a quad barrel would look ace, since it's evolved into a AAA turret judging by the sensor suite.

-Yes, the barrels are not glued in. I'll make a four barrel one for it.

May just be the way it's fitted together, but you may want to check the fit on the wedge risers, they look a little large.

-The triangle wedges are a little long. I'm trying to come up with a way to fix them without re-remaking them for a third time.
So far these deceptively simple parts are the hardest part of the model to make.

I still have your original turret basket, skirt armor, lifting mounts, suspension, and some miscellaneous small parts?
Do you want head lights?

01-04-2009, 04:51
Yeah, I hadn't yet worked out a good headlight system. Was somewhat torn between WW2 German and what you find on the Leman Russ/Chimera track guards from Forgeworld.

"Surprise me".

For the weapons mount, sure, you'll just have to trim back the existing plates slightly to make it fit properly. If you check the files, there's 2-3 variants for the weapon system setup, one of which I later noticed Bungaroo was using for his Kriegers' Chimeras.

If I can find the parts later, I've got some ideas for hull mounted smoke launchers for ya.

And by "turret basket" did you mean the round mounting sleeve for the IFV that's inside the crew compartment?

01-04-2009, 05:26
And by "turret basket" did you mean the round mounting sleeve for the IFV that's inside the crew compartment?

Yes that's it. I wasn't going to make one for the big turret, as you can't really see inside the back without a large top hatch.
I'm hoping to be done in three weeks or so.
I was thinking I could send the masters to you then. You could cast it up and see if everything works.
If everything is OK, then you could send me a cast of the universal parts in resin and I could continue making variants to fit onto those universal parts.
By the way, did you ever get your postal problems straightened out?
You mentioned once about some items not getting to you.

01-04-2009, 05:35
Yeah, the trick is to send everything insured and to the GPO box. We just had another package go missing that wasn't registered/insured, and it hacks me off since they were my TShirt Hell tshirts.

The basket/sleeve is for the front end of the IFV version for any turrets that get designed for that.

Did you get my 2 emails from the last half hour?

Also, do you have an unassembled Leman Russ laying about?

Tyruin son of Ages
01-04-2009, 07:19
This is brillant man! U are soooooooooo sunscribed too lol.
I love the sisters of battle immolater with all those candles and that zealot incorporated into it, just genius.

05-04-2009, 01:13
Here are some new progress shots:

-Faolan I would like to know what you think of the quad gun barrels?
Are they too small of a diameter for casting (They are 1/16 inch Dia.)

-Also what do you think of the one man turret?
If you don't want to cast it send me a design and I'll make that.

-Is the interior OK?


05-04-2009, 01:15
Part two of three

05-04-2009, 01:16
Part three of three

05-04-2009, 03:35
I think the GS seats are a bit rough. Maybe do it so each bench only has two pads, and only lightly indented? Excellent work on the turret sleeve to give it detail without actually detailing it.

3/16 being about 4.7mm, should be fine for casting size.

The one man turret's a good design, keep it around. I've been having ideas percolate in my head, but nothing really wants to solidly coalesce at the moment. I've particularly been staring at the classic Pred Annihilator turret (I think that's the one, the rectangular one) and drooling.

There's that direction, the current pred turret, or a slimmed down M-2/M-3 Brad type turret as well.

If you've still got your old Panzer II kit around, see how it looks with that style turret on it as well.

The basket looks absolutely ace, just needs a design visor or vision hatch put in on it now. Maybe slightly retro-it, so it's got something approaching the Chimera driver's vision hatch on it look.

I am continually impressed with your work, Tommygun.

05-04-2009, 06:22
3/16 being about 4.7mm, should be fine for casting size.

It might work better to just cast it with a hole where you can put a length of styrene tube cut to length for the gun barrel. Resin tank gun barrels often have sag/bend problems, which is why most of the gun barrel kits used by superdetailers are made of machined aluminum. They would probably do okay with styrene tube, except most real-world tank guns are tapered or proper scale doesn't match up to available styrene tube size.

Just a thought.

08-04-2009, 00:42
I misunderstood what you meant by basket, so I added a hatch and widow to the turret basket. Opps.
Later I added a vision block to that nose thingy basket.
Also remade the bucket seats to bench seats.
The side skirt armor is done, as well as, the optional applique armor.
I made the lights a more traditional round style as I wanted them to be easily recognizable.
I had thought to make them rectangular, as with many of the new vehicles seem to be going with, but at this scale it is hard to make them look like head lights.
I made a second style of smoke launcher, tow rings, and a trailer hitch.
I'm still trying to come up with a way to make that M113 turret shield.
It has to be in two pieces, hold it shape and be thick enough to be castable.
Visgoth, has a good point about the barrels.
I think I have every thing done except the suspension?

08-04-2009, 00:44
More Pictures

08-04-2009, 03:42
Holy feth me! Colour me impressed, Tommeh!

On the prow, the weapon setups, are those moveable or do you have to do one for each left and right?

They look really damned good, I'll tell ya that.

The extra detail on the turret's undersleeve looks great, I hadn't thought of that, so I'm glad for the misunderstanding.

Nose basket could use a handful of rivets and a handful of weld lines if you feel up to it.

Looks like the whole IFV is pretty much done, save the turret and the rear stowage boxes.

08-04-2009, 05:22
The weapon position on the front plate unplug so you can switch it out like the 3D drawings.
I'll add rivets holes to the nose basket. The rear stowage boxes are done, they are in the picture with the skirt armor.
I just came up with an idea for how to build the weapon shield. I'll try it tonight and see if it works.

Colonel Jacka
08-04-2009, 09:39
Looking good lads, but I'm not sure about the the dreddy drivers compartment out front.

08-04-2009, 09:53
Looks great as normal Tommygun. I quite like the 'pod' at the front, just because I've never seen anything like that on a tank and you've made it fit quite well. I'll be interested to see where this goes :)

08-04-2009, 11:44
Now that you mention it, it does look a lot like a dreadnought with that vision block on it.
The whole thing is modular, so you can build it many ways. Change the look to fit the builder.
A later version will have a different bed to add things like a rockets launcher.

SSG Snuffy
09-04-2009, 15:04
I love the modular positioning - I think it's a little unusual to have the driver in the middle, but that could just be decades (!) of conditioning. I like all of the accessories, the headlights look good, but I was particularly taken with the towing shackles. Looks great!

If Tinners is a 3D printer, what does that make you?

09-04-2009, 15:50
Well the basket on the hull can be put on the left or right side as well, and the hole for the hatch filled with a plug.

SSG Snuffy, just as side-note, the M1 Abrams & M551 Sheridan series of tanks, among others, have a centerline driver. (Which is where I got the idea from)

TG isn't a mere 3d printer, he's a Lord of the Styrene.

SSG Snuffy
09-04-2009, 19:07
The Sheridan doesn't count - it's so cramped inside that there's no other place to put the driver... I'd forgotten about the Abrams, though.

Still, within the context of the M113, BMP-series, and M2 Bradley IFVs, they're all front-left driven.

"Lord of the Styrene" is great!

OP master N
09-04-2009, 21:04
@SSG Snuffy: and the M109, CV90 IFV, Patria, Leopard 1 and 2, MTLB, BTR-series, and so on... Actually most armoured vehicles made in contries where you drive on the right side of the road, which should be the vast majority...


10-04-2009, 03:45
Most everywhere except the UK/Australia (where they drive on the left), and India (where they don't care where on the road or sidewalk they are).

10-04-2009, 08:02
Hi Tommygun..

I love this current project you are working on.. its nice to follow through a design project from concept to completed model..

The single man turret is my favourite bit.. reminds me of the British Matilda II tanks..

Continue the great work,

Best wishes,


11-04-2009, 06:52
Well the basket on the hull can be put on the left or right side as well, and the hole for the hatch filled with a plug.

SSG Snuffy, just as side-note, the M1 Abrams & M551 Sheridan series of tanks, among others, have a centerline driver. (Which is where I got the idea from)

TG isn't a mere 3d printer, he's a Lord of the Styrene.

Faolan, is insisting on a right hand drive version for all those funny islands that drive on the wrong side of the road.

Also, if I'm Lord of the Styrene, do I have to dance around with that odd head band and no shirt or do I have to run around on a small tropical island and terrorize small children?

OK, here is a small update. I was side tracked by a group of Ogryns.
They are only half way done with the green stuff and other modifications.
For fun I made one a Def Corp of Creeg.

Faolan, this is the start of the gun shield. I have the frame done and now I'm starting to wrap it in thin styrene.
I may or may not use Milliput on the interior. When Im done, part of the frame will be cut away.
After that, I will cut it in to two pieces. It will be similar to the original gun shield on the M113.

11-04-2009, 08:47
I take it you didn't like my idea of using a dowel and heated plastic?

And TG, as long as I don't wake up on Sunday with a zombie you trying to eat me, you can be the Jesus of Plastic, for all I care.

Truth be told, I'm a left-hand drive fan myself, damn that being an Oregonian!

11-04-2009, 11:24
I take it you didn't like my idea of using a dowel and heated plastic?

And TG, as long as I don't wake up on Sunday with a zombie you trying to eat me, you can be the Jesus of Plastic, for all I care.

Truth be told, I'm a left-hand drive fan myself, damn that being an Oregonian!

Nobody likes Easter Zombies. They eat all the chocolates eggs.

About the heated plastic idea. I used to have a job using a commercial vacuforming machine.
I think trying to stretch 1mm plastic over a wooden form without a proper vacuum set up would be really tricky.
You really need to heat the plastic evenly and at just the right temperature.
Then pull it onto the form with even pressure.
I think It would most likely tear the plastic. There are ways to do it with a box and a vacuum cleaner, but I would still need a good heat gun.
I don't have the funds to build a set up.

11-04-2009, 12:08
Was thinking heat + wrap, not drawforming.

Dowel carved to the shape, boil some water, dip the plastic in till it gets soft, wrap it around the dowel quickly, then industrial strength rubber band it on till it cools. Snip up the overlay, and should be fine with just a little filling/sanding to be done.

Sound reasonable?

11-04-2009, 12:26
gotta say tg, the tank and da korp' looks pretty sweet, i look forwards to seeing more...


11-04-2009, 12:31
Well if this method doesn't work, I could try it.
Unless you want a thin shield? I'm trying to stay away from anything thinner than 2mm when I can.
I'm worried about warpage of the resin.
By the way, do you think there will be problems with the barrels?
What do you think of Visgoth idea about leaving holes where the barrel will go?

11-04-2009, 12:38
Well, definitely, make a hole where the barrels will go sized to take said barrels, if nothing else it makes placement easier, and the barrel wouldn't (unless it's like a Russ barrel) be cast as part of the mantlet usually.

12-04-2009, 20:50
Found this thread a couple of days ago and have been gradually reading through it. I must say your scratch building skills are brilliant and I am loving the joint effort on the APC.

14-04-2009, 01:54
Alright the gun shield is done! It only took me two weeks.
OK, the ogryns where partly responsible. It's basically four parts:
1) the gun mount.
2/3) the left and right side of round shield.
4) the front (optional) flat shield.

Suspension is next.....no really it is.
I also made a pile of frag and smoke grenades for the ogryns.
I made smoke grenades just to add visual variety.

14-04-2009, 01:56
More pictures

14-04-2009, 16:27
Man, apologies for taking so long to get back to you on the latest update, TG. This is great stuff! The shields came out really, stupidly well.

After the suspension and Ogryns, did you want to knock up something like the MG-42 (or even the MG-34) to go with it? That or something that looks (and mounts) a bit more like a proper M-2 50 cal? Perhaps one of those Soviet T55 (and later) style reverse opening hatches?

I'm astonished, as always, by the work my friend.

15-04-2009, 06:02
Like this?

-Also, if it is alright with you, I was going to use a road wheel for the big rear idler as they both look very similar.
It would simplify casting. I only have to make a different mount for the wheel.

-I was also going to make the rocker arm and gas shock absorber parts connect directly to that L-bracket that goes to to the under hull.
This will be cast as one piece and will be stronger. It will be similar to how Tamiya make their tank kits.

-The diameter of the drive sprocket and the size and spacing of it's teeth are going to be tricky.
I think I'm going to have to make several treads first, then design a sprocket to fit the treads.

15-04-2009, 07:31
Yeah, the sprocket/tread was always going to have to be adjusted, as I mentioned back at the beginning. Well, the diameter of it can be set, but the teeth spacing would have to be changed, or the like. It's in your capable hands, and you're better at the math for it than I.

I think attaching the bars to the hull like that should work fine, or do it more to the DML design, but that'd require pinning in resin, which isn't necessarily great. Should work, all in all though.

18-04-2009, 06:59
Tank Porn
That's right all the naughty bits you never get to see!
Yes it's that exciting!
Faolan, as you can see the L-bracket will be cast as one piece.
This should maximize it's strength on a gaming table against a heavy handed person or spastic 12 year old.
The wheel is the steel wheel version, I'll start on the rubber wheel next.
What do you think of the drive sprocket? Do you think it will work for both versions?

18-04-2009, 07:00
More Pictures

18-04-2009, 10:18
Looks good. The DS needs reinforcement between the two cog-wheels though, the dual cone is traditional.

I see you also got the first track set done :D

SSG Snuffy
18-04-2009, 16:35
I'm trying very hard to resist making some wholly inappropriate 'tank porn' comments... :D

Instead, let me say that the wheels, tracks, and suspension all look amazing (as usual). At first I thought one of the tracks had the Ordnance Corp 'flaming ****-pot' cast into it, then realized it was just two dots. I like the track pattern, though, and I'd love to see a shot of links arranged around the drive sprocket.

OP master N
19-04-2009, 20:27
You, my friend are one of the brilliantly insane...

You'll have to tell us about makeing all those track links!

But it's awesome! as is expected from you, by now...


20-04-2009, 03:49
Snuffy,here are a few shots with the treads.

Faolan, I beef up the sprocket, but I couldn't use the cone shape as the way it came together prevented it.
The rubber road wheels are done and there are three of each type now.
I think I'm done, except for the second type of treads? What do you think Faolan?
I'll get to the machine guns and hatch later.
I would like to get this cast and sent to you, so you can put it together and see if it all works right.
Have your casting person take a look at it and leave his thoughts too.

To everyone else thanks for your support. It is always nice to hear from people.

20-04-2009, 04:34
Hrm, Tommy, 4th and 5th pics seem to illustrate a problem, the drive sprocket seems to grind into the side above it.

Maybe change where the sprocket aligns on the armoured drive train cover so its down and out a little more?

I'll send the other Tom over here to look at the pics and give you his comments, since he's the caster.

20-04-2009, 05:07
The sprocket touches because it is not glued in place.
I just put the pieces in place for the photos.
It is a tight fit and there will be about 1mm to 1.5mm of clearance between the track plus sprocket and the hull.

20-04-2009, 11:05
Ah, in that case, I must say the only thing reasonably possible to:


OP master N
20-04-2009, 19:39
A pointer, a real drive sprocket would have rounded edges on the "teeth".
And the front couple of road wheels would have shock-absorbers, as would the rearmost ones.

(actually a M113 driving instructor...)

SSG Snuffy
20-04-2009, 23:32
Thanks so much for the pics! I'm flattered, really...

A few quibbles: I whole-heartedly agree with OP master N - rounded (or even pointed) teeth are the way to go for the drive sprocket, not square.

You mentioned that the drive sprocket is only sitting in place for the picture, and that it's actual position should allow for the track to wrap around it. Is that the case for the return roller as well?

Finally, did you intend for the links to overlap each other while on the drive sprocket? I don't see anything wrong with that, but I'm not familiar with any precedent for it either. Usually, the links are independently flexible to reduce ground pressure and allow for irregularities in the terrain.

I don't mean to be a downer... I'll gladly keep my comments to myself if you prefer.

21-04-2009, 04:14
No, it wasn't intended (the overlap), but a light filing can fix that really quickly.

On the other hand, there is precedence for the overlap tracks, look at some of the Cat designs.

And looking back a little Snuffy, nope, no Ordance corps stuff. If we (and by we, I mean me the design) had wanted that, I'd have had TG put something respectable on, like Marine insignia.

21-04-2009, 04:44
Amazing mate, the plasticard work is flawless.



21-04-2009, 05:48
The drive sprocket has square teeth, because at this scale it is really hard to file down two dozen teeth and make them all look the same.
The version you see took a week to get right. Maybe I can go back and make them pointed at the top.
The tracks do over lap a bit on the sprocket too.
During assemble you would as, Faolan said, do some filing to get it to fit without over lapping.
This is party do to the teeth not being absolutely perfect and math involving Pi, Radians and angles ahhhh!!
If I had a milling machine with an indexing attachment it would have been easier.

Azmo, so you drove real rhinos! I had planned on shocks for the suspension, but left them off to simplify casting.
I noticed some newer tracked vehicles mount them inside the hull to protect them better. So that's my excuse.

Don't worry about any comments or criticisms, it all helps.

OP master N
21-04-2009, 17:12
The drive sprocket has square teeth, because at this scale it is really hard to file down two dozen teeth and make them all look the same.

Follow you totally, your plasticard skills are still in a whole different league than mine.

Azmo, so you drove real rhinos! I had planned on shocks for the suspension, but left them off to simplify casting.
I noticed some newer tracked vehicles mount them inside the hull to protect them better. So that's my excuse.
Yeah, from time to time..
And it's a valid reason, there is after all a limit to the amount of fiddly bits one can be expected to handle. Don't drive any newer armoured vehicles, only those way older than myself...


Eater of Small Things
24-04-2009, 13:46
Just checkin in to say everything looks great so far Tom. I love the detail on the tank wheels. Looks like you're having a lot of fun as always.

24-04-2009, 14:34
I have to say, the saying "you get what you pay for" is crap, since I'm paying nothing and getting a lot of excitement out of watching this all go together.

I'm just glad I have a subscription to Tommy's Tank Pornography Studios.

25-04-2009, 22:47
I'm glad you guys like it.
Here is a quick project I did in a few hours. It's the new Vendetta Valkyrie Mod.
The weapons are magnetized.
I originally had gotten all excited about the idea of using this guy to transport my ogryns around.
Unfortunately the new Guard codex doesn't allow ogryns to use them. Oh well, chimeras are faster and more survivable now.

I received a question on the construction of the guns, so here is want I used and basic measurements.

I did use:
1/8, 3/16, 1/4 inch tubing.
(1mm x 3mm), (1mm x 1mm), (3/16 x 1/16) strips.
1mm and 0.5mm plain styrene sheets "plasticard"
prescribe styrene sheets with a "board and batten" pattern 1/8 inch spacing. (from Evergreen)
1/8 inch L-bracket (from Evergreen)
1/8 inch triangular rod (Plastruct)

The wing barrels are 1.5 inches long.
main body is 1 1/8 inches long by 5/8 inches wide.
the two round rear pieces are 3/16 inches long.

The nose guns are 1.25 inches long barrels.


25-04-2009, 23:34
What do you use to cut the rod? As I've said before the Vendetta looks fantastic.

25-04-2009, 23:45
What do you use to cut the rod? As I've said before the Vendetta looks fantastic.

I use a miter box for big rods like 1/2 inch. Also for 45 degree angles.
For the smaller stuff I roll the rode while lightly pressing a box cutter against it.
I scribe a cut all the way around the rod and then break it off.
It takes a bit of practice though. You need to aim with one eye closed and look down the knife blade while rolling the rod.
You must end at the same place you started at for a good cut.
Hope that sounds understandable.

26-04-2009, 06:39
Why not a mitre box and a jewelers saw or the like for all of it?

26-04-2009, 07:17
Why not a mitre box and a jewelers saw or the like for all of it?

It's faster and you get a nice clean edge.
It also helps you develop a zen like ninja skill with a sharp blade.

26-04-2009, 10:54
Ah right, thats pretty much how I do it, they just never come out as smooth/clean looking.

26-04-2009, 15:06
A Mitre box? You guys are high tech. I just my handy box cutter & cutting board. Maybe i should take some lessons from you T-Gun.

26-04-2009, 19:54
This man is a genius!

29-04-2009, 16:19
Great work here Tommygun, and very inspirational..

I look forward to your next project..

Best wishes,


29-04-2009, 17:44
Phenomenal work on those twin-link Vendetta lascannons Tommygun!!

You give us hope that we need not buy them over-priced FW conversions!

30-04-2009, 05:14
Phenomenal work on those twin-link Vendetta lascannons Tommygun!!

You give us hope that we need not buy them over-priced FW conversions!

There is a difference between over-priced and expensive. I've bought a lot of resin kits, and it seems to me ForgeWorld prices are pretty much in line with other resin kits of similar quality.

But they are certainly expensive. :)

03-05-2009, 22:30
The Ogryns are done, but it will be a while before I paint them.
I added hair to some of these guys, but one turned out a little odd.
The one on the left in the first picture looks like he has a Mod haircut.
I think I'll call him Ringo.
The third and fourth picture has one firing his gun with the shells flying through the air and landing on the ground.
The angle in the picture isn't very good, so it may be hard to see it clearly.
The right one is Death Corps.
I wanted to do all the ogryns as Death Corps, but the 1/16 scale German helmets are about $6 a piece and my Green Stuff skills are not up to it.
I end up using 1/35 scale, which is pretty goofy looking.


03-05-2009, 22:31
Iím playing with the idea of using this flag of the Holy Roman Empire.
It does have the double-headed eagle. What do you guys thank of the flag?
This guy is going to be called Faolan. Donít ask.
No kilt, but maybe I can paint his knickers plaid.


03-05-2009, 23:06
Nork looks like a bit of a midget there :D

They look really good mate, one of the best and most comprehensive conversions of the orge models i've ween, well done :)



03-05-2009, 23:11
Nork looks like a bit of a midget there :D

They look really good mate, one of the best and most comprehensive conversions of the orge models i've ween, well done :)



He does look really small. You might notice I put him on top of two 40mm bases to give him more height.
Maybe I should have put him on top of a rock. He may get a Napoleon complex.

04-05-2009, 04:44
Put a saltire under the Imperial Eagle and you've got a deal, mate!

04-05-2009, 07:35
Ogryns look very good
I love

04-05-2009, 16:38
Gorgeous ogryns, old boy. I really like the chap whose gun is belching flame and covering him in ejected cartridges. Very dramatic!

04-05-2009, 17:04
The Vendetta and the ogryns look fantastic Tommy. I'm fond of the hair on the ogryns, especially the last two.

05-05-2009, 10:44
Here is another resin casting project I'm working on.
It's a modular death wheel that can be adapted to different size vehicles.
You just cut the upper arm to the right length and use the right number of wheel segments for the width of your vehicle.
I have several projects like this in the works and I will post pictures as I finish them.


05-05-2009, 12:09
Nice !! 40 K Lego !!! :D


05-05-2009, 12:31
You are exceptional with that plastic card. I'm really impressed.

SSG Snuffy
05-05-2009, 21:10
That's really fantastic! The teeth and rivets are quintessentially Orky, but your design is an elegant solution to adapting the roller to vehicles of differing width. Very, very nice!

05-05-2009, 22:25
Amazing stuff. I love the ogryns' haircuts. Your plasticard work is amazing.

06-05-2009, 01:21
Energy Cannon:

This is the third casting project.
I have two of three Cannons done.
The first is the Energy Cannon which may get a longer barrel?
It's also a little droopy because it is held on with tape right now.
The Energy Cannon is meant to have a 1950's feel to it.
The second gun is a basic Cannon.
I not sure about the size of the gun shield on it. What do you guys think?
I still need to make a Mortar Cannon next.


06-05-2009, 01:22


06-05-2009, 04:13
I like it without a shield, but, it's suitably oversized and orky to fit. Of course, with it that tall, it'd never roll properly if it were hooked to a vehicle - the bottom end would just act as a land anchor.

06-05-2009, 14:33
Just jaw dropping how awesome your work is! The attention to detail of the plasticard is truly superb. Also how do you find the time to do all these?

06-05-2009, 20:50
Also how do you find the time to do all these?


06-05-2009, 21:06
I love your kaboom

06-05-2009, 22:24
Holy cow Tommygun! Fantastic Ogres (go with the flag idea, it's so simple and so fitting, I wonder why I haven't seen it already), and the deffrolla is superb. And your heavy guns are gobsmacking. Awesome really just all over. However unemployment couldn't possibly be the answer as myself I spend most of my time playing video games...

Keep up the hard work in the plasticard sweatshop :D

07-05-2009, 06:40
@ Tommygun - ahhhh 'unemployment' ... good reason sir good reason!

Your SupaZzapGun is truly impressive. I imagine when in action, there to be coils of wires and heavy cable work trailing from the gun forming a carpet in the crew's work area. sigh* ... that is a really funky looking heavy cannon. My only criticism is that compared with the current versions of big gunz, yours is too good! lol

With the Kannon, the shield seems more like an addition during siege campaigns. But as someone already said, it is 'suitably big and orky'.

God, I just love how the guns fold and stow away behind a buggy like that.


07-05-2009, 10:47
Astounding plasticard skills, as always.

07-05-2009, 12:18
He's not unemployed, he simply doesn't get paid for his labours.

There's a difference, it's called "slavery".

07-05-2009, 18:09
Great work.
Out of interest when you say projects to be cast, is it someone wanting to cast them for personal use or resale?
I hope your getting paid for your labors at any rate.

07-05-2009, 20:03
Great work.
Out of interest when you say projects to be cast, is it someone wanting to cast them for personal use or resale?
I hope your getting paid for your labors at any rate.

We are hoping to set up a web site eventually to sale the cast-able items.
No date yet?

07-05-2009, 21:02

Still you have taken a negative into a very positive! you mention about casting during your other posts, does that mean for sale to us joe public?

:edit: posted without reading the last above two post.

07-05-2009, 21:09
That's some gorgeous work, old boy!

07-05-2009, 21:15
I look at this log all the time - why do I never post?!

Its amazing man, your skills are AWESOME.

your work inspires me to greater plasticard madness.


08-05-2009, 04:14
I'll answer a few questions..

No, no date yet. Our pet web designer doesn't have internet at the moment. The third partner (who requested the latest designs) has to get the casting stuff set up, and that means finishing up a few of his old commitments first (first in time, first in line!).

Yes, available to both Joe Public and John Q Public, starting with the multi-design APC and the junkyard warrior/technobarbarian stuff.

08-05-2009, 10:01
You Guys make me wish i was unemployed too !!! :D

Just think of all the projects i could finish !!!!!

Wish you the best of luck on your little business there, mind those GW-blokes though.


08-05-2009, 11:36
Perfect guns...I hope to see them painted it soon:).
Good luck with finding a new job (we are going to miss your result if so ;))

11-05-2009, 08:23
Mortar Gun is now done.
I decided not to make a gun shield for it, as it would hide the details too much.
I added rifling and a round in the chamber, though it may be hard to see.
While making these guns, I had to limit some detail to make them more cast-able and strong enough to withstand the rigors of gaming.
Any thoughts or criticisms on these guns or the roller?


11-05-2009, 10:22
Couple of bracing bands around the outside of the mortar barrel perhaps. The tube itself is a bit plain, and while it's realistically correct, it's just not junkyardy/orky/slapdash looking.

11-05-2009, 11:08
Best Thing Ever

11-05-2009, 12:34
Hi there Tommygun..

These look great.. I would agree with faolan though, a bracing strip around the main mortar barrel would look great.. its very plain looking at the moment.. needs something to prevent the barrel bursting due to the strain..

mmmm thats a point.. perhaps you could model a burst barrel as an optional extra?

Fantastic model skills you show..

Continue the great work,

Best wishes,


11-05-2009, 13:52
Like your rifling a lot, how did you do that ?
Looks like youve cut up a tube and then "cut" it in separate pieces ?!

Endresult looks great !!


Warlord Nazgred
11-05-2009, 16:26
are you going to use those as artillery or something else

SSG Snuffy
11-05-2009, 21:57
Wow, that's really cool! I like the T&E mechanism - or the parts I can see, anyway. Do the trails move, or are they fixed? I'd love to see the mortar towed behind an Sd.Kfz... I mean, ummm... battlewagon. :D

11-05-2009, 22:45
I was worried that without a gun shield it might not be rough enough.
Maybe I could wrap wire around the barrel like bailing wire for bracing. A burst barrel would mean more molds.

To answer some of the questions:

-Warlord Nazgred, The guns would be used as heavy support.

-SSG Snuffy, Yes it is tow-able like the others.

-SDKFZ, I used Evergreen's "Board and batten" sheeting.
Basically you cut a pieces off and roll it up and insert it into the hollow tube.
You should cut it at a 15 degree angle relative to the lines of the sheeting.
This gives the illusion the the rifling is spiraling down the barrel.
I then stuffed a small wooden ball up the back of the barrel for the mortar round.

Next up: a flack cannon and a rotatory cannon for Faolan's Leman Russes.

12-05-2009, 04:02
Thanks for that tip, Tommygun ! Will have to try it out.


13-05-2009, 07:00
"By your command"
OK, wolf boy here it is.
Will this GAU 8 work for you?
I'll send it out to be cast with the cannons.
We can put it in the web store too if the other Tom wants it.
I'm thinking the flame will look better painted up in multiple colors.


13-05-2009, 08:10
thats a nice Gatling cannon you have made there, .

when are you geting the store up and running btw?

13-05-2009, 08:37
As soon as our potential web designer finishes up his current project.

You know how they are, they're never fully tamed, and are skittish creatures in their natural environment.

TG, looks great, but isn't it a bit long?

SSG Snuffy
13-05-2009, 10:26
It looks fantastic to me... I'd buy one.

13-05-2009, 10:43
OK I cut 3/8 of an inch off the rotary cannon.
I also added bands the the mortar.

13-05-2009, 11:05
Here are some test figures for a guard army I'm working on.
As you can see I removed details from the helmets and body armor.
I also modified their guns. I'm planing on a few flat top models as well.
I have added knee pads made of green stuff since taking these pictures.
They will be painted in tan. I'm not sure of a name yet.
Maybe Cadian 3rd Inf Div.
It may be hard to see, but I used the lower half of a space marine's arm on the commander.
I wanted it to be a power fist, but it looks more like a bionic arm.
I'll just have to build a power fist on top of it with plasticard.


13-05-2009, 11:24
I like the additions to the helmets, not so sure about the M-16 Lasgun though. Then again, I am partial to the "Tommygun" style Lasgun I whipped up one day, and the Elysian weapons.

Still, if it's what you like, more power to ya.

I've got a few ideas for bionic/power fists, etc, I'll try to get you some pictures and see what strikes your fancy.

13-05-2009, 11:47
Everything is amazing as always mate, the "modern" IG really strike a chord with me, and i like the understated PF, it could do with being alittle bit bigger, but not much.



13-05-2009, 13:13
Ooh, lovely work, old boy!

SSG Snuffy
13-05-2009, 13:56
OK I cut 3/8 of an inch off the rotary cannon.
I also added bands the the mortar.

The mortar looks much better with the bands added.

Personally, I liked the 'Vanquisher-length' Gatling gun over the shorter version, but I'll reiterate my earlier statement: I'd buy one (of either length).

13-05-2009, 16:05
Looks great, the mortar banding really adds to it.
Not too certain yet about the IG though, guess I'll just have to wait and see with those. I do love the world war two feel to the helmets though :D

17-05-2009, 20:21
I registered purely to add my appreciation for your fantastic building. Is this online store of which you are planning likely to ship to the UK? I'd certainly be after the gatling Leman barrels!

17-05-2009, 23:36
I registered purely to add my appreciation for your fantastic building. Is this online store of which you are planning likely to ship to the UK? I'd certainly be after the gatling Leman barrels!

Thank you.
Yes we will ship worldwide, but it will be a while before we get it going.
The person we need to do the web site has to fulfill other commitments before he can start on this new one.
I'm afraid I don't know how long.

SSG Snuffy
18-05-2009, 02:44
We'll wait patiently... or mostly patiently. ;)

18-05-2009, 16:29
Also it's quite a good idea to flesh out the stock a bit first to make sure people keep coming back.

I'm involved in a small store which is in the process of fleshing out more before the guy who owns it leaves his job and dose this full time and start advertising.

02-06-2009, 01:02
let me just say... nice job. i have seen many plasticard masters and you...YOU my friend are the best ive seen. have you ever thought of taking a group photo?

02-06-2009, 12:18
Thank you.
I live in a small house. I don't think I have a clear flat place big enough for a group shot.

02-06-2009, 12:36
You know, with real estate prices in California, you could probably sell that small house and buy a medium to large one in a much nicer state, like Oregon.

Then you could have a group shot and maybe a workshop too!

02-06-2009, 16:14
The plastic card work is brilliant on that leman russ punisher. Seriously, gorgeous

02-06-2009, 20:51
ya that is some sweet stuff. did you know you can buy a cabin up here in MN for 100000 dollars less then normal cuse of the econony

05-06-2009, 10:16
OK here is one idea for a small Goblin Junknot.
It's based on an old divers helmet.
The seems are made rough to look like welds.
It is armed, oddly enough, with a flamer.
I really like the flamer, but what do you guys think of the rest of it.
Should I keep it or deep six the little guy?


05-06-2009, 10:17
More Stuff.


05-06-2009, 11:53
I think the feet need some toes, but apart from that it looks great mate, very distinctive.

05-06-2009, 11:58
Haha, that little guy is great! Love the weapons. just need a little goblins head to peak out of the hatch at the top and it would be prefect! :D

05-06-2009, 16:30
A very nice unique design.
The helmet could maybe use a bit of smoothing in places, it's nice that the surface is slightly dimpled though as it looks like it's been hammered in to shape.

05-06-2009, 17:34
Aye, I think Sheep's point about something extra on the feet is well made, but that aside, it's a lovely design.

05-06-2009, 17:46
Great log. Your plsaticard-fu skills are truly amazing!

05-06-2009, 22:20
Sheep makes a fair point...

I used to work with a guy why was quite... well... curvy shall we say... and he had very little feet... and always looked like he was going to topple over.

These are very rotund cans... and i think extending the feet would look better. If you base them, you can build the toes up to the feet as you currently have them.

As for the actually style and work you have done. Incredible!!!

Your scratch building skills are truely EPIC!!! Its little bits like the handle on the lid that make these truely stand out!

Top notch!


My name is Daniel and i am a wargamer

06-06-2009, 00:04
Thanks guys,
I'll work on the feet more. I have an idea for toe claws.
I used a small round tool to hit the green stuff on the body to get the hammered look.
I did have some problems with blending the putty in spots.
So it looks like it has wrinkles in those areas. They are not very deep wrinkles, so I may be able to fill in those areas with super glue or something.

-I like the claws, but do you guys think the arm needs work?
I could reuse the claws and rebuild the upper arm?

06-06-2009, 00:29
You are a beast man, just so skilled! Following this thread.

Is there particular easy-to-find brands of plasticard or styrene that you use for your models that that recommend?

06-06-2009, 05:51
Evergreen is very common in the US.
Plastruct is also very good, but harder to find.
Also US Plastics is a very cheap place to buy in bulk.

http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&category%5Fname=76&product%5Fid=3008&MSCSProfile=95385A1F52DEA1A229D5B37542054464D11F01 B536E2D330FDD2CF013A46DF0C1637D8478070D06FD9F08B25 868C6AC1A651D1F5589808A547ACF460B151F29FB83E7C084B 6771D524830BEE17E2597738F8B5CD9A2CE75365ADE713C361 DC402440213EBB72789B12DE8D3E3492B89B397766C3B962CD ECF6A65BA0E9A36245042994014E606BC0

06-06-2009, 08:38
This shotgun is for Faolan. He's building a Col. Straken and needed one for it.
It is a pump action with a five round ammo carrier on the side of the receiver.
I made a size comparison with a lasgun and a 1/35 scale Remington 870.
As you can see, the guns of 40k are much too big compared to the figures.
This forced me to make some changes to the gun to fit a 40k figure.

All the little guys are my Penal Legion.
I used Catachan torsos with Cadian legs.
Next I carved up the upper leg areas and green stuffed the area to look like they are wearing open shirts.
I also took off the armor around the shoulders.
I'm thinking of painting them orange which is the prison color in California.
I'll put on the backs ether numbers or CMP for California Men Prison.


06-06-2009, 08:49
Grand work on the penal chaps, old boy - especially the hairy biker, who looks strangely familiar, though I can't place it. That shotgun is just gorgeous!

06-06-2009, 11:46
Looking smashing, TG. I especially like the shotgun, and so as to not lose any of the details on it, I'm going to have it slung to show it off, or clutched in the bionic left hand.

06-06-2009, 12:06
I'm glad you like it.
I think it would look like this in real life, but a bit longer.
I'll try and find a padded envelope to mail it in.
You still want that ogryn?

06-06-2009, 14:53
Yup, may as well wait till I can get that to you and whatnot.

SSG Snuffy
06-06-2009, 19:42
Is that your collection showcased in the photo? If so, then I'm even more jealous than before...

06-06-2009, 21:04
Great looking shotgun, although I would have gone for a pistol grip with folding stock to maker it look more bada$$ (and easier for the mini to hold it if it already has a pistol grip hand)

Seen this -> AA-12 Autogun (http://www.wearesurvivalmachines.com/story.php?subject=world&id=23) now this is a Tommy Gun!!

Bugbait out

06-06-2009, 22:30
OK I cut 3/8 of an inch off the rotary cannon.
I also added bands the the mortar.

that is ONE sick looking gatling cannon.:)


07-06-2009, 01:29
Is that your collection showcased in the photo? If so, then I'm even more jealous than before...

Great looking shotgun, although I would have gone for a pistol grip with folding stock to maker it look more bada$$ (and easier for the mini to hold it if it already has a pistol grip hand)

Seen this -> AA-12 Autogun (http://www.wearesurvivalmachines.com/story.php?subject=world&id=23) now this is a Tommy Gun!!

Bugbait out

My collection is not quite as big or exotic. Mostly 19th century stuff.
But I do have a few exotic shotguns, not AA-12 exotic, but one comes close.

07-06-2009, 04:45
Thanks for the reply btw, nice shotgun!

07-06-2009, 09:03
Holy smoke !!! :eek:

Thats one mean shotgun !!

Tommygun i like what youve made to that 40K version of the "standard" shotgun.


07-06-2009, 12:48
Awsome work Tommy. The diver killakan definately needs bigger toes but the arms look perfect. Why is it strange that it has a flamer? Isn't it extremely orky to want to burn stuff to death under water?

Also I like the shotgun.

Keep it up!

07-06-2009, 16:23
He has got a point! A mek would find a way of making a flamer work under water :P

07-06-2009, 16:31
He has got a point! A mek would find a way of making a flamer work under water :P

Using basically the same tech as an underwater flare?

Stuff looks ace tommygun, glad I check back here :)

SSG Snuffy
07-06-2009, 18:01
A pistol-grip version would be easy to work with... hmm. Yoink! Idea stolen!

10-06-2009, 10:14
So here is my Imperial Guard army as of now.
I have three veteran infantry squads and three mortars.
I can double this if I get more torsos and legs.
This will do for now.

I had some fun with one of the commanders.
I found this old oak biker torso and cut off it's head and put a human head on it.
He now has a large pot belly, so he is not meeting the fitness requirements.
I added a lot of little things to them like camel pack and knee pads.
There are also flat top lasguns with all kinds of extras. I did custom grenade launchers too.
Almost all the meltas are made from bolt guns, because I found out all the bit sellers charge a fortune for them now.
Oddly enough the GW bit store was the cheapest by a large margin for meltas.


10-06-2009, 10:14


SSG Snuffy
10-06-2009, 10:18
I love the Picatinny rails on the lasguns in the last picture (post #656)! Very realistic... nice job on the CCOs as well.

That's some very nice scenery in the backgroud, too!

10-06-2009, 10:21
Oooh, the grenade launchers are really cool! And I don't think he's really that potbellied, at least compared to garfield...

10-06-2009, 16:44
Is there some sculpting to come on the femalcadian in the last two pics? Because her upper bady is far too small compared to the lover body and she looks topless to me.

Great stuff tho :D
I love the custom lasguns ;D

10-06-2009, 18:47
I think it looks like she is wearing baggy pants...

11-06-2009, 05:25
Yeah, the female still needs work. I love that helmet though, the straps and the arms give the model nice motion. And though it might be quite a bit of work, I think some armor or bulking out of the torso is in order, and maybe an eye-patch!

11-06-2009, 06:01
Brilliant army mate, the conversions are spot on, and add a much needed dose of realism. Good stuff.



11-06-2009, 08:18
Thanks for the C&C everyone. I was trying for an experiment with the one female squad leader.
I didn't want to cover up all the fine muscle detail on the model.
I was trying to make it look more like really baggy army paints with one of those green army tee shirts.
Maybe it will look better painted. The other two female models I only added 1mm of armor on their flack jackets.
I obtained their heads by "copping off the heads of nuns" from the Mordheim range.
How many Hell Marys is that?
When I find the time, I need to tear apart a chimera and rebuild it as a Bradly.

I have to go to southern California for the weekend. So no building for four days.
All that blue sky and warm weather. The things I do for Family.
Bye for now.

11-06-2009, 12:38
Have a great time mate.



11-06-2009, 15:49
You live in Southern California. How much more Southern do you get without being Baja?

SSG Snuffy
11-06-2009, 21:14
I lived in Southern California for a while... that didn't mean we didn't enjoy going to San Diego (infinitely preferable to the Mojave).

Have a good time Tommygun!

11-06-2009, 21:34
I don't, never have and probably never will live in Southern California but i'd just like to say excellent work there as always and have a good weekend

12-06-2009, 04:14
Have fun dude, and there isn't even anything wrong with the female model per-say, but a guy with your talent could turn it into something insane.

13-06-2009, 20:21
wow these are good I sent you a PM btw please reply

13-06-2009, 21:46
lovin the combat gandalf a bit back

15-06-2009, 20:38
You live in Southern California. How much more Southern do you get without being Baja?

Just for the record:
I live on the central coast in San Luis Obispo.
I'm 266 miles North of San Diego, 160 miles North of LA and 200 miles South of San Francisco.
The state is about 800 miles long.
Just about anything South of Santa Barbara is "Southern California", which is 80 miles south of here.
So there!

I took the train back and it went through Vandenberg Air Force base.
Saw a lot of the space launch facilities there.
I looked at all those launch towers and thought about how an ork space launch complex would look like.
I want to make one now, but I don't have the room to store it.
"Oh well, some day."

16-06-2009, 21:58
lol sounds like an idea :p

18-06-2009, 08:23
OK, here is the second building of the Art Deco city project I started a while back.
I saw two buildings in one of Dalanshin logs that I really liked.
They where a Bank and Hospital models produced by Plasticville.
They won't be painted as well as his, but this is my version of it.
None of the buildings will have any interior details.
Here is just the basic shape. I still need to add all the surface detail.
Everything is made with 1.5mm plasticard. The surface detail will be made with 0.5mm plasticard.
I'm also planning on making at least some of the building "nest-able".
That is, I can insert them into each other like a Russian doll to save on storage space.
Right now it is pretty plain looking, but I'll start on the stone work and details tomorrow.


18-06-2009, 12:02
An impressive start. I might carry the facade top back a bit more to make it look more sturdy though.

18-06-2009, 12:40
I cant believe ive just found this thread! That is an insane amount of awesome work you have there, well done!

OP master N
18-06-2009, 17:57
You most seriously go through a lot of plasticard...
It aint that cheep over here...


18-06-2009, 20:25
I assume you use a cutting mat rather than ruin that lovely table. :) Cool start on the new building, I agree with Faolan that the front boarding needs to be thicked, but as you said basic structure and shape first so we are probably jumping the gun a bit.

18-06-2009, 22:04
Hey Tommygun!

Great stuff as always. The conversions you did on the guardsmen are very impressive, the scratchbuilt shotgun is just amazing. Very good stuff, you keep on tempting me to get out that old plasticard and do something. :p

19-06-2009, 21:35
I think this somewhat sums my thoughts up...

22-06-2009, 03:15
The front of the building is done now, well except for the windows.
It took a lot longer than I thought it would.
I started a little bit of work on the sides and I hope to get the building part done in a week.
Then a very light tan paint job and a brown wash. I need a name for the bank.
I'm thinking of Bank of Sanguinus. A small play on words, as in blood bank.

....and yes, I used a cutting mat. I'm not that stupid.
I won't be yelled at twice.


22-06-2009, 03:50
lol, love the bank

22-06-2009, 09:03
Wow Tommygun that is fantastic!

The level of detail is great and the styling fits perfectly with Imperial buildings. I get sick of seeing CoD buildings so this is a wonderful breath of fresh air!

Any plans for interior details? How about glass for the windows?

I must admit I have a secret fetish for awesome detailed 40k buildings..........

22-06-2009, 09:08
Any chance of a close up of the guardsmen infront of the bank?

Klaus, not Santa
22-06-2009, 09:45
This building comes along quite nicely!
Great details - are you going to add battle damage, or keep it rather intact?

22-06-2009, 12:09
Does that Guardsman know that he has to bring his "Plastic" as well as his Hardware ? ;)

Grand Building !! Nice to see something not GW !! Keep it up !!


22-06-2009, 13:46
looks awesome. Does the roof come off?

SSG Snuffy
22-06-2009, 16:11
...and yes, I used a cutting mat. I'm not that stupid.
I won't be yelled at twice.

:D Amen, brother!

SSG Snuffy
22-06-2009, 16:16
Seriously, though, very impressive. I particularly like the relief on the columns and the brickwork on the pediment. I'd be even more impressed if you told me those were pocket doors...

After all the hard work and detailing, it seems a shame to use a name as cheesy as 'Bank of Sanguinius,' but that's just my personal preference.

22-06-2009, 16:36
To be fair it is imperial and they do love their primarches lol.
Looks great though! An insane amount of detail aswell :D

23-06-2009, 00:15
Very nice looking building, glass with bullet holes and it will be great!!
Got some teller girl minis?

Bugbait out

23-06-2009, 00:53
looks amazing. Your detail is quite stunning, and I enjoy the play on words heheh. Good work will you be able to get inside?

23-06-2009, 10:36
Thanks for your interest in this project.
To answer some of your questions:

Well, I don't plan on any interior detail. The roof is glued on, but the bottom will be open to help in storing them.
I can stack them inside each other.
I just don't have the time to build interiors and the rules really don't support interior fighting.
I may use the abstract building fighting rules they use in Warhammer fantasy.
As for windows, they will be clear glass sprayed with Testors dull coat to make them opaque.
I'm not having any damage to the buildings. This city will be untouched by war so far.
Perhaps 8 to 12 builds total over a year. All Art Deco.

The best picture of that guardsman I have is this one before I added Green Stuff.
I also have this mini I could use as a teller going over the books.

So, I think I got to everyone's questions?

--P.S. I saw a building on the net. It was a GW Cheese factory.
I'm thinking of a small corner cheese shop. Does anyone know how to say "Cheese Factory" in French?

23-06-2009, 10:44
Awesome log, incredible detail on the buildings, and the art deco theme is a great idea.

--P.S. I saw a building on the net. It was a GW Cheese factory.
I'm thinking of a small corner cheese shop. Does anyone know how to say "Cheese Factory" in French?

L'usine de fromage, as far as I know with my limited French (literally 'the factory of cheese').

23-06-2009, 11:10
Sanguinius. There is a "i" before that last "u".

And of course it must be a blood bank, not a currency bank. ;)

23-06-2009, 13:01
And of course it must be a blood bank, not a currency bank. ;)

Or a sperm bank... :p Keeping the space marine geene seed safe xD

23-06-2009, 23:22
Or a sperm bank... :p Keeping the space marine geene seed safe xD

Love it, make it so!

24-06-2009, 05:34
Thanks for the translation and the spell check guys.
I may name it Imperial Bank, but it sounds a little dry.
I'm definitely now doing a French cheese shop "GW L'usine de Fromage"
Here is a small update. I added light sconces and window frames to the front.
The windows are tedious to do! Only seven more window frames to go. ugh!


24-06-2009, 16:52
Just a thought, it may be easier adding the horizontal bars after the glass is in as then they can just be layed on top, would save a lot of faffing about I reckon.

24-06-2009, 18:36
cool as always. very industrious

25-06-2009, 05:11
Miscellaneous details done and only three more windows to do! Yaaa...
I still hate windows.
I can't put the glass in now. I would not be able to spray paint it without a lot of masking around the frame.


25-06-2009, 06:19
The building is looking great tommygun. How are you plan on detailing the inside? if at all?

25-06-2009, 08:57
Looking great mate.



25-06-2009, 13:14
It's really detailed! The brick is great on the sides

OP master N
26-06-2009, 10:04
This seems to above and beyond what others make of their terrain...

Great work!


Wolf Scout Ewan
26-06-2009, 10:25
Nice building m8!

26-06-2009, 13:11
Ahh I didn't think about painting lol.
Look incredible the amount of detail is insane, I would never have thought of putting on the power box on the rear of the building.

Ethan Hunt
27-06-2009, 21:12
Great log so far.
I really love your plasticard skills, nothing to envy to a professionally modelled building of any kind.

28-06-2009, 09:40
I started the painting process.
So far I have spray painted it a light Testors Modern Armor Tan.
I have added the first layer of colors, the dark browns are going to need 2 or 3 coats.
I think once I have it painted, I will give it a gloss coat followed by a light brown wash, then a dull coat over that.
I may high light the sharp edges of the building's details with more Armor Tan after the wash.
This building will probable get a gravel roof too. I may also use some Art Deco curtains in the windows.
That would be the only interior work I do.
So do you think the colors work?


28-06-2009, 10:11
Looking even better ( if possible ! ) with paint on !!


28-06-2009, 11:01
can't wait for the weathering process.

all looks ace.

the damned artificer
28-06-2009, 19:01
Man this building is cool dude !

29-06-2009, 01:08
Here is a test figure for my guard.
It came out a little darker than I had planned, but I like it.
More importantly it is easy to do and I need to paint 60 or so of these guys.
It is basically two shades of tan with a brown wash.
I should probable add a little dead grass to the base but I think it is complete.
Should I leave the base's edge light tan?


SSG Snuffy
29-06-2009, 01:29
The base's edge looks a little... odd. Perhaps because it's lighter than the sand on top of it? I think I'd go just a little darker.

Very nice scheme and paint job, by the way!

29-06-2009, 11:59
Nice paint job :D

29-06-2009, 13:39
Hi mate!

This building looks incredibly awesome. Want to see progress on it!

The guardsman looks nice too but I agree with SSG Snuffy about the edge of the base. I think that darker bases work much better because they act as a "frame" to the whole mini. Also, colours as bright as the one you have on the base's rim at the moment always look kinda unpainted and like primer. The conversions on the guy look very good. The flask, ammo pouch and bajonett need a bit more paint (or a wash) though I think. Adding a little dead grass surely would be a good idea.

Very good work as always! :)

SSG Snuffy
29-06-2009, 15:32
All he needs is "Rock of the Marne" stenciled on the back of his helmet... (of course the bendlets should be sinister for the 3ID insignia, but you already knew that)

01-07-2009, 02:17
OK, I'll rework the guard and my dyslectic arm patch.

I'm done, Now Open for Business.
I gave it a brown wash then a dry brush of butter milk white color.
I tried to do a diagonal dry brushing on parts of the building to give it a marble look.
Then I also glued a mural on the top of the building instead of a sign.
I believe it looks a lot better then the sign would have and it is something you would have seen on many Art Deco buildings.
You can see a real gravel roof on the bottom picture.
So would you put money in that bank?


01-07-2009, 02:55
looks great I like the choice of mural instead of sign. frosted windows looks good too.

01-07-2009, 03:40
That bank is something straight out of an old comic book. I can just see some masked guys busting in the place. But instead of captain america or spider man coming to the rescue, its Arbites or Guard armed with rapid fire weapons.

01-07-2009, 09:05
Marvellous building, really nice. I'd put money in if I had any! ;)

01-07-2009, 09:32
I think that the base rim should be black, the model looks good for such a simple paint scheme, well done.



02-07-2009, 06:32
the bricks at the bottom of the building can be either earth-red / brown or grey

other-wise it looks good.

02-07-2009, 07:21
5 down and a mere 55 more to go.
I darkened the base and used a wash on the base as well as the belt equipment.
Added dead grass too.
I'm hoping the quad leader works better now.
I was trying to do something different.


02-07-2009, 09:15
That definitely works, old boy! Painting the Sarge really makes a difference to how she looks on the Cadian trousers, I agree.

02-07-2009, 19:20
She looks a lot better now painted :D I think it must have been the difference in colour of the metal and plastic that made the trousers look too big.

02-07-2009, 21:17
I seem to recall an old song which ended with:

Baggy trousers, baggy trousers, baggy trousers
Baggy trousers, baggy trousers, baggy trousers


Nice work, I really like the bank and the color scheme on the guards. To fit the theme you just might have to make some penal legion to act as robbers...

SSG Snuffy
02-07-2009, 22:44
I think the bases look much better. How do you feel about them?

I'm really loving the CCOs and rail-mounted doodads. I like the Camelbak, too!

02-07-2009, 23:10
I think the bases look much better. How do you feel about them?

I'm really loving the CCOs and rail-mounted doodads.

I think the brown wash over the darker color gives them an earthy look that goes well with the desert theme.

03-07-2009, 05:15
He doesn't "feel" anything about them, we men don't experience emotions over paltry things like that.

However, I do believe they look far superior now with the wash. I also think they've come out better with the darker colour and wash than they would have if you'd followed Sheep's idea and blacked them.

03-07-2009, 20:36
Here is the start of the cheese shop.
Nothing that impressive to show, but I wanted an excuse to put better pictures up of the guard.
I still seem to be genetically incapable of fully focusing my camera.


03-07-2009, 22:48
The skin seems a bit pale on the first two guardsmen.
Could be worth a go seeing what a darker skin colour looks like as it would contrast nicely with the relativly light overall colour.

04-07-2009, 08:08
Erm, TG, I notice an error.

The female soldiers are missing the kneepads ;)

Overall they look good, but the faces could use a bit more work. Don't take that too harshly, I can't paint faces to save my life.

For the eyes, I saw an interesting technique in a book- using a pin to press a small indent in for the pupil, a drop of dark paint there, and then paint the rest of the eye (which is at a higher level) with the white.

04-07-2009, 08:46
The problem I think is my bad photography.
It is out of focus and white is badly exaggerated by my digital camera.
They actually have green eyes and the white area is much smaller than the fuzzy picture would suggest.
I have four skin tones on the face, five if you count the lip color.
One of the reasons I put off an IG army was I didn't want to paint 120 human faces.
Mot of the non character soldiers will get a simple two color tone face with white eyes and a colored iris.
If I can take a good picture of their faces I'll post one.
I think their faces will be OK for squad leaders, although these two are just regular soldiers.

By the way that's so sexist.
...and against the PDA rules.

04-07-2009, 17:25
Well actually, being shorter and generally smaller, the women are more suited to tunnel fighting or low-overhead entry, etc.

The PDA? What do you refer to?

04-07-2009, 17:40
Hay Tommy can you show so wip of your guns I would love to see how you make them

05-07-2009, 01:30
Happy 4th


05-07-2009, 03:09
That cheese shop so far looks a lot like my bedside table.

05-07-2009, 04:43
That cheese shop so far looks a lot like my bedside table.

Is there cheese in it?

-The next set of guard I do I'll try and do a step by step guild for the guns.

-Faolan, PDA is Public Display of Affection.

05-07-2009, 18:02
thx tommy, your building look great, do you ever come south to play at any tournaments or any other reason? Would love to see some of your work in person.

SSG Snuffy
06-07-2009, 15:38
I really like the cheese shop so far... do you use a circle cutter to round the corners like that?

A guide for the autoguns would be great... I really like the ACOGs/CCOs.

08-07-2009, 05:19
Only a small update. I had a bad flu bug all week.
I can't remember the last summer cold I had.
I hope we are not going to have a Stephen King flu season this fall.
So maybe I got lucky and got the less severe version that will make me immune?
In that case you guys are screwed. :p

So I have added two 0.5mm layers of plastic sheeting to the walls.
1mm would have been too thick to bend easily. Next well be to cut the window openings.
I included a picture of the real building I'm basing it on.
I did use a circle template on the corners, it helps a lot.

I'm afraid I only make it down south once or twice a year for family funtions.


08-07-2009, 05:47
Building looks good, although I hate the architectural style - 3/4 of coastal Southern California's buildings look like that, at least down in the South Bay.

Needs a garish neon sign.

08-07-2009, 07:57
Like the building shape, very clean!
Interesting blue clamps you have, havent seen anything like that before, what are they called?

Bugbait out

08-07-2009, 11:59
Faolan are you kidding me? It's all Spanish Ranch style.
Even our local Sushi bar is Spanish Ranch!
I think we even had an adobe Der Weiner Stentzel for a while.
We do have a Cantonese Hacienda restaurant.

Bugbait, they are made by the X-Acto Knife company.
One of the most useful tools I have and they are reversible too.
So you can use them as spreaders as well as clamping.


08-07-2009, 15:20
Ill have to check with my Hobbystore if they stock those clamps too !!
They look very handy ! Thanks for charing !! :)

Your building makes mine look like rubbish.........sigh !!


12-07-2009, 08:43
The building is done and is ready for painting.
I'm not sure of what color to paint it. Maybe a terracotta orange?
It might be good for a cheese shop. I have clear plastic that looks just like glass block for the windows.
The GW L'usine de fromage is almost done.


12-07-2009, 09:16
Love it man, your are amazing!

Maybe a darker colored brown color? Maybe a sign would show up better with that type of wall coloration.

12-07-2009, 11:08
The trim around the top makes this!

Are you going to use some textured paint first, cant tell from you ref pic if the real building is that lumpy plaster stuff.

Thanks for the info on the clamps I have some Rolson trigger clamps (http://www.choiceful.com/choiceful-id-7645-300mm-x-120mm-F-Clamp.html) but the jaws are very small, not good for large jobs like this.

Bugbait out

SSG Snuffy
12-07-2009, 22:35
I love it! The stairs in the entrance are a really cool touch... I see lots of interior supports and assorted items. Would you consider posting a floorplan?