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Tommygun
03-01-2010, 04:10
Glade to see you guys like it.


-Ghaust, I'm using one part Bondo (Glazing and Spot Putty) from a tube, no hardener needed for this type.
Dries quickly and is easy to sand, but a little brittle, its only down side.
Two part Bondo I think would be too time consuming for a model.
It would be different if you were working on your car.
I would also test that two part Bondo out on a piece of strap styrene plastic to see if it is safe on plastic.

-Eater, try gluing just the end of the strip (with styrene model glue) to the tube and let it dry for an hour.
Then put glue on the rest of the strip and bend it around the tube and use ether clamps, rubber bands or scotch tape to hold it in place while drying.

bugbait_nz
03-01-2010, 07:10
Burnout happens, take a break, turret looks great!

Bugbait out

Mangozac
03-01-2010, 07:16
How quick does that bondo set? I'm wondering if it would make a better, faster alternative to Milliput for filling small gaps and seams...

Ghaust Mortium
03-01-2010, 13:16
Glade to see you guys like it.


-Ghaust, I'm using one part Bondo (Glazing and Spot Putty) from a tube, no hardener needed for this type.
Dries quickly and is easy to sand, but a little brittle, its only down side.
Two part Bondo I think would be too time consuming for a model.
It would be different if you were working on your car.
I would also test that two part Bondo out on a piece of strap styrene plastic to see if it is safe on plastic.


Ahh, thanks a bunch, i think i'll see how hardener works while i am waiting around for a time to get One-part. Thanks again. Great work.

lack0fbettername
03-01-2010, 16:19
Tommygun - I used 2 part bondo "for home repair". Its made by bondo but i think for more generic uses. I didn't have any problem with it on plasticard. It does it foam.

Tommygun
04-01-2010, 01:34
lack0f, yes I remember you using it (white stuff?) on the Manta.

-Mangozac, I think I have sanded the Bondo within 15 minutes on small or thin areas.
Though it was not fully dried it still sanded well without problems.
For filling in small gaps on a model or mini it is very convenient and much cheaper than the modeling putties.

Mangozac
05-01-2010, 05:57
Oh wow that sounds fantastic! I'm gonna pick me some up before I start my next project! Thanks mate.

SSG Snuffy
05-01-2010, 22:20
QFT:
For filling in small gaps on a model or mini it is very convenient and much cheaper than the modeling putties.

I can attest to this... After seeing Tommygun's use of Bondo, I picked up a 4.5 oz. tube of the 'Glazing and Spot Putty' at my local Wal-Mart for less than $4US. Not only is it forgiving and easy to use, but it dries quickly and sands easily.

Watch the fumes, though... :wtf:

Tommygun
06-01-2010, 21:23
I promised these pictures to Faolan.
They are a 1/48 and 1/35 scale tank compared to Leman tank.
I want to make the 1/48th tank into a demolisher.
The width is a bit of a problem. It's hull is 2.25 inches wide compared to 3 inches of the Leman (and 1/35th tank also) not counting sponsons.
The length is about the same, but the height is a little short.
I can split the hull and add 3/4 of an inch to make it wider and add spacers under the road wheel mounts and other areas to make it a little taller.
It still wont be as tall, but I can live with it.

Jake, I think even with shorting, the 1/35 tank will look too bulky.


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SSG Snuffy
06-01-2010, 21:40
I think that a Tamiya 1/48 Tiger I compares nicely to a Russ in terms of size (and has a lot more room in the turret!). Whose M4A1 is that, Hobbyboss? It looks like it has the T23 turret for the 76mm gun...

Bungaroo has done some great things with 1/35 models in his log, but I think that 1/48 is a better match.

Nice details on the USMC Sherman, by the way!

Tommygun
07-01-2010, 01:00
Snuffy, that is a Hobbyboss kit.
I was surprised by how good the detail was on it.
I got it at Squadron.com on sale for about $12.50.
They seem to run the sale every month or so.
The Tiger would be easier, but I wanted a US tank to go with my desert Guard troops.
I'm already adding the spacers, so will see how it comes out or not.

The USMC Sherman is only 80% painted and I haven't touched the crew yet.
"One of these days" I'll get back to finishing it.

Faolan
07-01-2010, 03:57
Ok Tom, what I'd recommend would be the following:

Split the center, add in a spacer. Lift the upper hull a bit (which requires re-sloping the front-end). Use fewer but larger roadwheels (either on a scratchbuilt HVSS pattern or a Panzer II pattern perhaps), and give it blocky, angular side skirt/fenders. That should buy you a bit more height and make it less immediately a Sherman and more a Sherman-Inspired.

Also, if you've got one over there, I think the 1/35 Panzer IV might work, size-wise as well, it's not a lot larger than the Panzer II, which works well with the Russ.

surprize
07-01-2010, 10:24
Just wanted to say great post, really useful to see the relative tank sizes.

I guess with the hobbyboss kits coming with the die cast chassis, the dream solution would be to find a 1:48 kit that was really wide between the tracks. As adding height is easier than adding width. Otherwise it would probably be easier just to lose the whole bottom plate and scratchbuild the bottom of the hull around the existing sides. I personally reckon adding a spacer would be more work - to accurately cut down the centre-line of a diecast chassis and then add in a spacer strip to match the fine riveting detail on the kit (assuming it is of a similar quality to a hobbbyboss KV2 I used) would be a real pain.

Have to wonder at what point it is easier just to do a scratchbuild using bits like the track assembly and turret+turret ring etc on it, rather than chop-shop the kit...

Going back to the post; I have an idea to scratch build some lemanruss equivalents but use a pack of 1:35 track links, I have been worried about size, so it is really good to see the width of the 1:35 sherman tracks against a leman russ. Thanks again.

Faolan
07-01-2010, 11:10
Nevermind my idea of the Panzer IV, TG, it's a bit larger still. The reason I was thinking it would work was because I'd considered using them (well, Pz IV based chassis) for Basilisks, etc - which would work as the Basi, end to end, is larger than the Russ etc.

cthorpe
07-01-2010, 18:27
Hey guys..

Have you checked out Bungaroos blog.. he uses 1/48 vehicles to great success with his Krieg army..

Tommygun, log your work, its always great to follow step by step projects and see how the develop and to pick up inspiration and great tips along the way..

Continue the great work,

Best wishes,

Carl

Tommygun
07-01-2010, 21:39
My hobbyboss kit didn't come with the die cast chassis, it's all plastic.
For me, splitting the kit down the middle was pretty easy.
The plastic on the kit was soft and not very thick.
My original plan was to use the hull as is, so I chose the rounded hull over the box hull.
This rounded hull is more challenging to widen. This is where Bondo is your friend.
So far I have widen it 3/4 of an inch and added a 1/2 inch to the height of the hull.
I will also need to add a side skirt similar to the ones seen on very early Shermans.
The side skirt is just to hide the awkward space between the top of the track and the hull after adding spacers.
I will try to remember to take WIP pictures.

SSG Snuffy
07-01-2010, 23:24
Hmm. I had been planning to pick up a Tamiya M4A1 from Track48. I'll take a look at Squadron and look for the Hobbyboss kit... Thanks for the tip!

I'm looking forward to seeing what you do with it... I've always liked the rounded cast hull on the M4A1 more than the angular appearance of the other models.

Tommygun
08-01-2010, 06:30
Phallus Pattern Maximus Exterminatus Auto Battle Cannons

My... what big guns you have.

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MrP
08-01-2010, 07:58
Ooh, that's a lovely piece of work, old boy! I must see if I can find myself a British equivalent to this Bondo stuff.

Colonel Jacka
08-01-2010, 08:27
TG,

Looking good as always. looks like a store bought one. Looking forward to the re-built Sherman.

Tommygun
08-01-2010, 08:53
Here we go guys.
This will give you a rough idea of what it will be like.
You can see where I need the skirting and I may add an up armor plate over the transmission area.
It works for me and it is something different. "My Anti-Krieg Tank."
It looks a bit like an anime Chibi or SD Tank.
This is the first of two demolishers.
All the weapons will be magnetized though, so I can change the weapons load out.
In the very long turn I will be building an armored company with ten of these guys.


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Just a random idea
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Tommygun
08-01-2010, 08:54
WIP shots:

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Faolan
08-01-2010, 09:10
I like the Random Idea!

Hrm, what I think I'd do would take 2 kits - I'd have to swipe the 1/35th scale suspension system and put it onto the 1/48th one, it'd fit very much in with the 40k and make the suspension a bit taller.

surprize
08-01-2010, 10:41
I don't have a link on this computer, but I know some manufacturers sell replacement/upgrade packs for tank kits including more detailed track and suspension units (maybe AFV club or something like that?) so you might be able to buy the track and suspension units in 1:35 separately to avoid purchasing two whole kits. Of course whether it would work out cheaper is another matter...

Black Legionaire
09-01-2010, 16:54
Tommy gun your one good converter!!!!!!!!!!!

SDKFZ
10-01-2010, 16:57
OKEY, you do Shermans i do ACAVs, nice change from all those "germans" :D

Keep it up !

/ SDKFZ

Tommygun
11-01-2010, 10:07
This is how I spent my weekend.
I'm about 90% done?
Need to make several types of sponsons weapons, bow gun and different kinds of main gun. All magnetized.
I really like how it came out. Now maybe I have something that can chase the Jerry....I mean Krieg tanks off the table?


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Faolan
11-01-2010, 10:58
Excellent work so far, TG. Might I suggest GSing some "canvas" from the gun mantle back to the turret?

I personally would put the bow weapon smack in the middle, where the plasticard spacer is.

SDKFZ
11-01-2010, 14:02
It looks very nice, Mate ! Im looking forward to seeing how it looks with details and paint on it.

/ SDKFZ

MrP
11-01-2010, 14:17
Grand work. Especially that rifling!

Tommygun
11-01-2010, 20:58
-It would look better with Green stuff, but it would be hard to do it in a way that a magnetized barrel can be removed.

I'm trying to decide what color to paint it.
At first I just assumed I would paint it tan to match my desert guard.
My chimeras are going to be tan and modified to look like Bradley AFV's.
But green is really an iconic color for the Sherman. I know the British and Israelis painted some in tan, but I want a US WII feel to them.
Most of the US tanks in North Africa were plain green.
I also don't want a camo pattern, so I'll probably go with classic olive drab with modern armor markings.

Last night I found out that Academy makes a 1/48 scale M60 tank.
I would not have to convert the hull. Tempting, as I would not need to re-size the hull and would be easier.
But I like the Sherman now. It's fun and unique.
Now if I can find the time to do 9 more?

SSG Snuffy
11-01-2010, 21:43
Really nice! I've always like the T23-style turret... you've managed to size the Demolisher cannon perfectly (love the rifling, by the way) to where it looks like the turret is just large enough to accomodate the recoil mechanism. Is the barrel's elevation adjustable?

I'm also curious about your idea to swap weapons - will you replace the weapon itself and leave the mantlet in place, or change out the whole assembly, mantlet and all?

Tommygun
11-01-2010, 21:59
Really nice! I've always like the T23-style turret... you've managed to size the Demolisher cannon perfectly (love the rifling, by the way) to where it looks like the turret is just large enough to accomodate the recoil mechanism. Is the barrel's elevation adjustable?

I'm also curious about your idea to swap weapons - will you replace the weapon itself and leave the mantlet in place, or change out the whole assembly, mantlet and all?

The barrel really isn't adjustable, just a simple magnet that holds it on.
Each main weapon will have its own mantle, but the sponson will be reused for all the secondary weapons.

Faolan
12-01-2010, 01:28
Tom, the Brits, and I think the US as well, experimented with countershading in North Africa, might be something to look at, at least for a brain feed.

Colonel Jacka
12-01-2010, 02:22
TG,

The Demolisher is looking good. I dare say you will be "40K ing" it further?

Tommygun
12-01-2010, 03:09
Tom, the Brits, and I think the US as well, experimented with countershading in North Africa, might be something to look at, at least for a brain feed.

Real men don't drive pastel colored tanks!:D

-Jacka, I will be adding IG crew and weapons.
Also a lot of Stowage. Shermans look half naked without it.

Faolan
12-01-2010, 04:07
And tanks, unlike women, never look good half naked.

Colonel Jacka
12-01-2010, 06:05
Real men don't drive pastel colored tanks!:D Jacka, I will be adding IG crew and weapons. Also a lot of Stowage. Shermans look half naked without it.

Agreed! And they do. :D


And tanks, unlike women, never look good half naked.

Agreed! :p :D

Tommygun
12-01-2010, 10:00
Battle Cannon this time.
Plasma may be the next weapon?

Has there ever been a Leman Russ with an extra large Multi Melta as its main weapon?


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Faolan
12-01-2010, 10:10
The one with a Nova cannon or somesuch is basically a super Multi-Melta.

MrP
12-01-2010, 10:13
Lovely main gun, that! I do recall running across a Melta-Russ, but I think it was a fan creation rather than anything from the fluff.

SSG Snuffy
12-01-2010, 22:16
Looks great so far... you've made quick progress on it (at least compared to the speed of my conversions).

Tommygun
13-01-2010, 10:24
Magnetized Bow gun done (still needs rivets on gun) and started the side sponson's frames.
Also a little work on turret.
I have the commander in the gunner's hatch, but he fit perfectly in the opening.
The commander can sit where he wants to.


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surprize
13-01-2010, 10:36
Excellent sponsons; they look really slick.

Tommygun
14-01-2010, 09:43
Ready for paint now, I think.
The sponsons and the weapons on it are magnetized for your shooting pleasure.
I may just build the weapons options as I need them or when the mood strikes me.
I'll build the plasma cannon soon, the new version looks so cool.
I'm also thinking a twin link melta cannon needs to be built too.
Maybe an all flame tank as well. Three heavy flamers on the hull, but what kind of flamer in the turret?

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Colonel Jacka
14-01-2010, 10:27
TG,

The sponsons work well rounded like the shape of the hull. Although I think they a sitting a little to low. I think they would be better just a little higher up. Could be just the photo as well.

Irbian
14-01-2010, 11:10
Fantastic work.

Have you thinked on adding more detail? front part seems little empty.

Another thing, isnt the tracks too discovered?

SDKFZ
14-01-2010, 14:50
@ Tommygun : Looks great ! Reminds me of a "Mineproof" Sherman i found in some old book. ( the high chassi )

I to wounder about those tracks, have you just put them on for show, and will remove the before painting or will they stay as they are ? My problem is that the tankwheels levitates.............. ? If they are to stay, try using some small garden wire to tie domw the track to the wheeels.

/ SDKFZ

lack0fbettername
14-01-2010, 17:06
How do you work the rifleing in the barrel? It shows up on the demolisher(?) one on the table beside it. Also the fact that you take the time to do it is inspiring.

Yayale
14-01-2010, 22:25
If I remember right from an old post, he uses plasticard with ridges on it and the cuts a piece to fit the interior of the barrel and rolls it up into a tube and puts it in.

Tommygun
14-01-2010, 23:10
Just started painting 30 minutes ago.

To answer some of the things mentioned:

-The sponsons are low, but because the upper hull is rounded I can not mount the sponsons higher without carving them to match the rounded curves.
I don't want to carve 20 sponsons for the 10 tanks.

-The fronts of Shermans were a bit plain, but I will have stowage/equipment piled over the front.
The track guards don't go too far down because larger ones I made earlier looked awkward when viewed front the front and back.

-The tracks are temporarily held on in the photo with an alligator clip, so may look a bit off.

-As Yayale mentioned, I use a pre-scribed sheet of styrene from Evergreen called "Board and Batten" for the rifling.
Basically you cut it at a 45 degree angle roll it into a tube and stuff it into the
bigger tube for a finale fitting.
After you get it to fit correctly and in place for the last time, then add glue from the back inside of the tube.
Basically where it doesn't show.
After the glue dries, a finale sanding of the front of the barrel to make it flush.

More pictures in a few days.

sheep
15-01-2010, 05:39
You are still one of the gods of plasticard, this is amazing and you always provide consistent inspiration. The sherman is looking great, which i never expected, i was cynical as to whether or not it would fit the 40k theme, but you're ticking all the right boxes :)

Cheers

Sheep

Tommygun
15-01-2010, 07:46
Thanks Sheep.

Now, more stuff to look at!
O.D. green is on. The end result will look like the Russ in the background.

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/tomweave/Tank/DSCF1680ca.jpg
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I'm Happy.:)

sheep
15-01-2010, 07:49
Did that come out of a can or an airbrush? It looks very nice :) Why didn't you put the stowage on first?

Cheers

Sheep

Tommygun
15-01-2010, 07:57
It was done with one coat of Testors spray can.
I find it too hard to paint with the all the stowage on.
The stuff you see is not glued on, just placed there for the picture only.

Faolan
15-01-2010, 08:31
I suspect the reason is that it's easier to paint the stowage semi-separately. What'd you steal said stowage from, Tom?

Solun Decius
15-01-2010, 09:47
Just stopped by to give you mad props for the Phallus Pattern Battle Cannons. That's hillarious and they look great too!

SDKFZ
15-01-2010, 13:45
That turned out nice, Mate ! Now for the big question.........will they have big white stars and white serialnumbers too ? :chrome:

/ SDKFZ

Tommygun
16-01-2010, 09:06
Good evening people.
More heavy metal erotica for your viewing pleasures.
Here is what I did:
-I gloss coated it and added decals.
-Some chipped paint and detail painting.

I still need to do more detail painting and black washes, then a flat coat.
I'm thinking about using the circled white stars for the HQ tank, like this tank.
I'm not sure if it will fit right in 40K? Does Cadia's home star have a name?
All my Abrams tank markings are in black so I found these from a M106 mortar carrier that work well I think.
All my stowage comes from years of 1/35 scale armor converting.
That stuff may be from Legends? I'll be using things from multiple suppliers.


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A home made PSP plate
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Sattamassagana
16-01-2010, 10:34
It sits next to the Eye of Terror which is a nebula possibly formed by the collapse of its star. The planet could have been far enough off to survive this. No name is mentioned in codices back to the big green (that I could find in my fevered search!). It says it's in the Cadian System which if nomenclature doesn't change for the next 38,000 years would suggest the star was called Cadia too.

sheep
16-01-2010, 11:03
Put an imp eagle in the circle.

Looking great mate, really quick too.

THe 1/35th stuff in the background looks amazing too.

Cheers

Sheep

Colonel Jacka
16-01-2010, 11:38
TG,

No your right I can see the problem with having the Sponsons higher now that your painted the Tank. Nice colour and it's looking very 40Kish!

SDKFZ
16-01-2010, 13:46
I almost had a hunch that you were also once a 1/35 modeller :D

Tank looks great with all those scratches.

/ SDKFZ

Tommygun
18-01-2010, 07:27
The tank is all done now, so Cadia's 3rd Inf Div has it's first tank.
I need a fluffy sounding reason for a white star? Thanks for the response by the way.
"Cadia's White Stars" or "The Star Rock of the Marne", That would be the second battle of the Marne where Cadia stopped the advance of the Krieg Chaos forces.
Sheep, I think I will put the Imperial eagle in the middle of it.
It will be just the one Command tank. Painting that white strip around the turret is surprisingly difficult.

Sherman Russ!!!


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Faolan
18-01-2010, 07:38
Needs a Punisher barrel add-on, some Lascannon and some Plasma Cannon add-ons as well :-)

Tommygun
18-01-2010, 07:41
Eventually

Colonel Jacka
18-01-2010, 09:42
TG,

Works for me it looks great. And I say yes to the Imperial Eagle!

gonzosbignose
18-01-2010, 14:21
Well I wasn't convinced this was going to turn out well but as always I should never have doubted you.

40k super sherman looks ace.

regards

My name is Daniel and I am a wargamer

MrP
18-01-2010, 15:42
Delightful work, old man!

SSG Snuffy
18-01-2010, 19:41
I, too, was initially skeptical but I like the end result. If I had to nit-pick and find a fault, I'd say that the tracks look awfully narrow which would make for high ground pressure. Otherwise, it looks great... I'm impressed with how seamlessly the sponsons blend in with the body, but leave little trace when removed.

Tommygun
19-01-2010, 08:37
Thanks for the comments guys.

I have thinking of new ideas and I'm not sure what direction to go in.
Here are a few pictures of my guard army. They have a modern desert look to them.
I'm going to modify my chimeras to look like Bradley AFV and painted tan.
I was originally going to convert M106 (M113 with mortar carrier) as griffins and M163 (M113 with Vulcan cannon) as hydras.
Also painted tan and very modern looking.
I have an idea to convert a few 1/48 scale Shermans into M7 priests to serve as Basilisk, Medusa and Colossus depending on what cannon I mount on them and painted green.
I could also go with the M109 look?
I'm worried about mixing too many WWII items and modern together.
The different colors don't worry me too much as you see green and tan vehicles working together as some new units don't get painted right away.
I think my Sherman Russ's look more modern than the regular Leman Russ's, but I'm not completely sure.
Should I go with a M7 priest or the modern M109?


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SSG Snuffy
19-01-2010, 10:14
Well, I prefer the Paladin to the Priest. WYSIWYG might require you to pop for 'enclosed crew compartments' if you fielded them, but overall I like the look of the M109-series better.

Colonel Jacka
19-01-2010, 11:10
TG,

The Priest would work better with your modified Chimera's. Your Troopers would not look out of place with either.

Faolan
19-01-2010, 11:41
Eh, I think the Priests should stay in the realm of the Blood Pact, as shown on Dave Taylor's blog.

gonzosbignose
19-01-2010, 11:59
The M113 chasis and variants are a typical example of the utility of a useful chasis.

For me the imperial guard typifies this chassis re usage... look at the Chimera and its use as APC, Support guns, et al.

Whilst I think your sherman looks fantastic, you rightly point out that your guardsmen have a real modern edge to them. I think you would be far better off looking into a modern style for your tanks and supports...

Variations of the M113 chasis as both APCs, support guns... heck even tanks...

Hope you are well

Regards

My name is Daniel and I am a wargamer

Faolan
19-01-2010, 12:15
Hrm TG, what about the ol' M3 Halftrack? Then you can have M16 Hydras, etc.

SDKFZ
19-01-2010, 17:55
@ Tommygun : Hmmm, Bradly Chimeras, painted tan and modern Guards..........now where have i heard that before ?????? :D

Go ahead, ill be fun to see how you go about this, Mate ! I do have to say that i also like the M109 more than the Priest, but hey, thats just me.

/ SDKFZ

sea.man
22-01-2010, 12:34
They look really nice on a tabel all together! Are you going to give them any squad insignia?

Tommygun
22-01-2010, 20:22
The only unit markings are on the shoulder area. This is for Cadia's 3rd Inf Div. Mechanized.

Tommygun
26-01-2010, 08:25
I'm still working on it.

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/tomweave/Tank/DSCF1707CA.jpg
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/tomweave/Tank/DSCF1706CA.jpg
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/tomweave/Tank/DSCF1709ca.jpg
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/tomweave/Tank/DSCF1708ca.jpg

SSG Snuffy
26-01-2010, 22:39
Looks fantastic! It seems like a small detail, but I really like how you make the door handles. Great stuff!

What's left?

Tommygun
27-01-2010, 10:26
I still need to do some vision blocks, detail in the back and rivets.

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/tomweave/Tank/DSCF1710ca.jpg
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/tomweave/Tank/DSCF1711ca.jpg

Look what I found sitting in a box for a mere 20 years.
Seven bucks a piece too! That's like a hundred dollars with inflation or something.
Well maybe not.

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/tomweave/Tank/DSCF1712ca.jpg

SDKFZ
27-01-2010, 17:13
Great tank, Mate ! Realy like what youve made here, hmmmm i might have to do one of these to you know ;) Nice, those old transfers. Dont know if they still work tough ?? Check them to see that they are not all dried up and crack when you try to use them.

/ SDKFZ

MrP
27-01-2010, 22:18
She's looking grand, old boy. I'm looking forward to when you can start applying a spot of paint!

Arador
27-01-2010, 22:33
Just in case, I recommend buying some Liquid Decal Film for those old decals. A company called Microscale Industries makes it, and it should set you back about 3-5 dollars for a bottle that lasts for several years. If the old decals start to crumble, brush some of the stuff on before cutting them off and soaking. Strengthens them right up.

The same company also makes MicroSet decal setting solution and MicroSol decal solvent, handy tools for all decaling projects.

TomG
27-01-2010, 22:34
Really nice toy TG. I like it.

sheep
28-01-2010, 03:13
Those transfers are a bit of Mini mining gold mate, abit of micro sol and you'll be away with those :)

The mach is looking brilliant too, your plasticard fu is strong, though the barrels look alittle wonky. . . but i'm sure you knew that :)

Cheers

Sheep

SSG Snuffy
28-01-2010, 23:18
I still think you're slightly mad for doing this, but you can't argue with results. It really looks fantastic. May the Force be with you.

Tommygun
03-02-2010, 09:05
Wet White Tank Top Pictures!

OK they're not wet.
But they're still sexy.
Here are a few gratuitous butt shots.

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/tomweave/Tank/DSCF1721ca.jpg
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/tomweave/Tank/DSCF1723ca.jpg

Full Frontal
Look at all those pokies, it took me half a day to add the rivets.

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/tomweave/Tank/DSCF1724ca.jpg

I'm sure what I'll do with the decals. They have about 8 different designs in each package.
They are in good shape, no cracking but a little yellowing in the clear area.
I have both Micro Sol and Micro Set.
Maybe I can use some of the Bretonnian ones on the Tank?

Colonel Jacka
03-02-2010, 10:32
Nice rivets mate! :p

Faolan
03-02-2010, 10:38
Nothing like a good dose of tank pr0n.

MrP
03-02-2010, 15:32
Gorgeous attention to detail, old boy.

Ostling
03-02-2010, 15:36
Looks really amazing!

SDKFZ
03-02-2010, 18:22
Thats one mean Marc. youve made, Mate ! Love all that detailwork and trust me i know the kind of work youve made with all those rivets :D Great work !

/ SDKFZ

Ash
03-02-2010, 22:35
Mmm . . . . rivets

Outstanding attention to detail. First-class.

rabblerouser
04-02-2010, 04:26
Do you think you would be willing to part ways with the ultramarine transfers in that blister?

bugbait_nz
04-02-2010, 06:43
Now I know what the hole in the track is for, so you can bolt it down as a spare, nice detail!

Suggestion for you, could your create an index in the first post of this thread, you have so much great stuff this is a great scratch builders resource!

Bugbit out

Tommygun
04-02-2010, 07:43
Rabblerouser, I'm afraid I have some pre Heresy Ultras in my future.
I have already assembled a full squad of MK4 Armored Ultras and I may go back and back date one or two other squads too.

Bugbait, that sounds like a good idea. This weekend I have some true scale painting to do.
I Have to paint the bath room.
I'm thinking gunbolt on the wall with a black wash and highlights?
After that though, I can look into making an index.

Faolan
04-02-2010, 09:47
I'd say Kreig grey, faded out unevenly.

Tommygun
04-02-2010, 10:03
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
No Grey!

Faolan
04-02-2010, 10:12
Sorry, I just find it to be a soothing neutral colour.

Fine, fine, fine. Medium blue for most of it, the bottom 12" being sandy brown, and redo the floor so that it's actually 4" deep clear epoxy over a layer of sand & sea shells, or looks like you're standing on water.

Tommygun
04-02-2010, 10:27
Sorry, I just find it to be a soothing neutral colour.

Fine, fine, fine. Medium blue for most of it, the bottom 12" being sandy brown, and redo the floor so that it's actually 4" deep clear epoxy over a layer of sand & sea shells, or looks like you're standing on water.

Sounds like British North African Camo.
It will basically get a green camo like this, so they match each other.
All my other tanks are green.

Colonel Jacka
04-02-2010, 11:07
TG,

No Grey? Please say what you mean! Thanks!

Tommygun
04-02-2010, 11:22
There is too much gray in 40k.
It's as if the Inquisition is hunting down every interior designer like they are rogue psychers.
Maybe they are confusing them with rouge psychers?

Anyways real men drive green tanks. Even the tan ones are just over sprayed green ones.

Faolan
04-02-2010, 11:55
Oh, TG, thought we were talking what colour you were painting your bathroom this weekend, LOL.

PariahZero
04-02-2010, 14:13
Just after reading through the entire plog lad. Amazing. Simple as. You got some skills with plasticard, and your painting is top notch :)

bugbait_nz
04-02-2010, 17:15
See I told you he doesnt like grey!:D

SSG Snuffy
04-02-2010, 22:42
Anyways real men drive green tanks. Even the tan ones are just over sprayed green ones.

WORD! :D

Tommygun is qft.

can't_decide
05-02-2010, 03:12
Great work on the Macharius. It'll be nice to see some paint on there.

Faolan
05-02-2010, 03:16
Although to be correct, TG, if we were talking about the Brit North African camo and the countershading in particular, it's light blue bottoms, sand brown top.

Tommygun
14-02-2010, 09:19
This hasn't had it's final flat clear coat yet, but this will give you an idea of where I'm going with the paint job.
The tracks have had a wash of burnt orange for rust and dry brushed silver.
The body is Testors modern desert sand with a wash of sepia brown and dry brushed with white.
I'm not happy with my paint chipping. But I guess if I don't practice it somewhere it will never get better.
It is supposed to be green where the tan paint chips off.
Only the sides and the front will have this much paint chipping, the rest of the tank will have very little.
I think I will go back and cover those areas mostly with dirt?

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/tomweave/Tank/DSCF1727ca.jpg
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/tomweave/Tank/DSCF1725ca.jpg
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/tomweave/Tank/DSCF1726ca.jpg
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/tomweave/Tank/DSCF1728ca.jpg

Dejay
14-02-2010, 09:26
It's looking really good so far, I think the chipping looks good. I'd add some to raised area's such as the sponsons and rivets, area's likely to get scratched. Keep it up :)

sheep
14-02-2010, 11:41
Looking like its going to be another brilliant result mate.

Cheers

Sheep

SDKFZ
14-02-2010, 15:54
Indeed ! :) As i can clearly see from the pics. we are now fighting on the same side, Mate !! :D

Looks Ace ! ( Your way ahead of me when it comes to painting :( )

/ SDKFZ

Sternguard777
18-02-2010, 09:35
Well it looks like you got to have a green tank after all.

Tommygun
19-02-2010, 22:52
It's done!
Great god almighty, it's finally done!
My tank isn't as finely detailed as Tinners or as prodigious as Mr P,I only built one not six, but it's done.
I'm happy with the paint job, which is similar to what SDKFZ has on his.
So I'm off to do APC's next.
Did I mention it's done?

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/tomweave/Tank/DSCF1742ca.jpg
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/tomweave/Tank/DSCF1750ca.jpg
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/tomweave/Tank/DSCF1751ca.jpg
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/tomweave/Tank/DSCF1752ca.jpg
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/tomweave/Tank/DSCF1753ca.jpg
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/tomweave/Tank/DSCF1754ca.jpg

Tommygun
19-02-2010, 22:52
More Stuff.

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/tomweave/Tank/DSCF1743ca.jpg
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/tomweave/Tank/DSCF1744ca.jpg
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/tomweave/Tank/DSCF1745ca.jpg
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/tomweave/Tank/DSCF1746ca.jpg

Tommygun
19-02-2010, 22:53
More Stuff to look at.

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/tomweave/Tank/DSCF1747ca.jpg
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/tomweave/Tank/DSCF1748ca.jpg
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/tomweave/Tank/DSCF1749ca.jpg

Eater of Small Things
19-02-2010, 23:28
Whoa! Job's a good'un! :D

I actually went back to FW's website to look at the original model, and I must say you're spot on. I like your macharius better though, specifically the more prominent rivets and your tracks. It's just far more interesting to look at. Good job man, and cheers!

PariahZero
19-02-2010, 23:36
Looks really good lad, well done :) Keep it up

SSG Snuffy
19-02-2010, 23:43
Drool... dude, that's awesome.

What are the yellow and red markings next to the rear hatches?

GomezAddams
19-02-2010, 23:52
Very pretty, very very pretty.

You should be very proud of yourself for building such a complex vehicle in such detail, but I'm looking forward to seeing what comes next.

sheep
20-02-2010, 00:18
Brilliant finish mate, it's indistiguishable from the fw one.

And the paint is fantastic too :)

Cheers

Sheep

Faolan
20-02-2010, 02:31
When you hand a job like this to Tommygun, Bob's your uncle.

Siam-Tiger
20-02-2010, 04:51
This is one of the most amazing things i've seen for a long time in this hobby. I'm really looking forward to the next things you're up to.

regards,

Dennis

bugbait_nz
20-02-2010, 05:27
Ummmm . . .

If its done how come the left hand side tread has wear marks and the right hand side is only black . . . did I miss something (happens all the time)

Like the desert paint job!

Bugbait out

PS - nice index, I had forgotten how much great stuff is hidden in this thread!

SDKFZ
20-02-2010, 09:53
@ SSG Snuffy : They are some sort of US warning markings that they aply to all of their Army vehicles.

@ Tommygun : AWESOME, Mate !! :D I wish............:cries:

Its as good as the real thing. You Mister, should be proud of your self !

/ SDKFZ

Tommygun
21-02-2010, 10:57
I noticed after I took the pictures that i hadn't high lighted the one tracks, but it has been corrected.
I also forgot to put high gloss varnish on the vision blocks, clear plastic covers over the head lights, red reflective lens for the IR light on the side and red laser for the twin stubbers.
Most has been fixed.
The yellow and red markings are reflective paint that US vehicles use to keep from rear ending each other in the dark.
They would most likely be painted over before going into combat, but I had them on the decal sheet, so I used them.


I haven't started the AFV yet.
I got side tracked again.
This time by orks in my Tommygun's Xenotechnology log. See it in my sig below.

I also started on some of the new Legion of the Damned.:skull:

Edit:
When you hand a job like this to Tommygun, Bob's your uncle.

Dude....you're going sooooo native down there.:D

GraemePaul
21-02-2010, 11:50
You know, First time I flicked though the last couple of pages I was like 'thats a nicely painted FW model'. Then I actually read the posts and realised it was a scratch build.

I take my hat off to you Tommy. You have an incredible eye for detail. Whats next?

Colonel Jacka
21-02-2010, 19:31
Dude....you're going sooooo native down there.:D

:eyebrows: And your issue is! :p:D PHL! Nothing wrong with our Uncle Bob!

SSG Snuffy
21-02-2010, 20:47
The yellow and red markings are reflective paint that US vehicles use to keep from rear ending each other in the dark.
They would most likely be painted over before going into combat, but I had them on the decal sheet, so I used them.


@ SSG Snuffy : They are some sort of US warning markings that they aply to all of their Army vehicles.

I don't ever remember seeing them on any of our tracks when I was in the armored cavalry. We definitely don't use them in the wheeled unit I'm in now. It must be something that's managed at the theater or MACOM level. Thanks for the tip! I was able to find some images with these reflective panels after a little digging.

surprize
21-02-2010, 21:56
Sir; I salute you.

Excellent effort, all worth it in the end. I think I probably like the vanquisher load out the best, purely because it is different to forgeworld. I can imagine people looking and thinking it is an interesting conversion of the kit and then the penny dropping! Top, top work, it's been a pleasure following the journey.

Faolan
22-02-2010, 02:20
Dude....you're going sooooo native down there.:D

Pfft, sif! Interestingly, it's less from being around the Aussies and Brits that I've come to use that phrase, and more from playing entirely too much Company of Heroes as the Brits/Canucks.

It is, as usual, an excellent job you've done.

Now maybe you'll tackle one of those Ork Trukk to Imperial conversions, ala Dave Taylors?

Tommygun
22-02-2010, 04:16
I have Dave Taylors templates.
A month ago I was thinking about modifying his templates to look more like a M923.
I was thinking I could make it look like an armored gun truck and sub it as a chimera.
I decided to try and build some Bradleys from scratch instead.
I also need to build some M163 as Hydras and M106 as Griffins.
And a Squiggoth in my ork log as well.
I have too much stuff to do!

I forgot about those Damned Legionaries too.

Faolan
22-02-2010, 04:33
Well, there's also a guy with templates that make the MK II Rhinos look a lot more like the MK Is, pretty good stuff.

If you're going to scratchbuild transports, just make a few more along the pattern that I had you build for me, and then scale up your mods from there.

Tommygun
22-02-2010, 04:51
Maybe I will convert some rhinos into M113 then and save some time.
Any luck getting hold of Sexton?

Faolan
22-02-2010, 06:23
Not really, he's been having a rough personal time.

Ash
22-02-2010, 10:14
That's gorgeous. Inspiring work, very well done.

Tommygun
13-03-2010, 08:06
My Precious.....
Must have the precious.

....Shinnies....



.....I don't care what they think....

http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/ac188/tomweave2/Infantry/DSCF1804ca.jpg
http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/ac188/tomweave2/Infantry/DSCF1805ca.jpg

bugbait_nz
13-03-2010, 19:38
You know there are places you can go to get help with dreadnought addictions ;)
Are you going to get the new Ork dread as well?

Bugbait out

Tommygun
14-03-2010, 20:14
You know there are places you can go to get help with dreadnought addictions ;)
Are you going to get the new Ork dread as well?

Bugbait out



I may get the FW ork dread, I have being seriously thinking of making one that is 2 to 3 times bigger to us as a Stompa.

SSG Snuffy
14-03-2010, 20:21
Maybe I will convert some rhinos into M113 then and save some time.

Wouldn't you rather convert some DUKWs? They mesh nicely with the Chimera's amphibious capability.

Tommygun
15-03-2010, 07:19
Wouldn't you rather convert some DUKWs? They mesh nicely with the Chimera's amphibious capability.

I want a more modern look than the DUKWs.
M113 are still amphibious, but I don't know if griffins and hydras are?
The rhinos converted to M113 will be used as M106/griffins and M163/hydras.
The scratch built Bradleys will be the Chimeras.
My Sherman Russ(s) will be part of an all armored unit (about 10 tanks).
I can attach my Shermans to the mechanized infantry unit as I need them.

1 Bradley w/ HQ
5 Bradleys w/ vets
2 M106/griffins
2 M163/hydras
2 Vendettas

By the way, do you know if the up armored Bradleys are still amphibious?
Doesn't matter game wise just curious.

Irbian
22-03-2010, 16:38
Can I share something with you? :P

http://verydemotivational.com/2010/03/21/demotivational-posters-sneaky-sneaky/

Faolan
22-03-2010, 16:50
TG, that's going to wind up on my desk as a slightly late birthday present, isn't it? :D

Tommygun
23-03-2010, 00:14
Can I share something with you? :P

http://verydemotivational.com/2010/03/21/demotivational-posters-sneaky-sneaky/

If I ever build a Capitol Imperialis, that is how I will do it.......just bigger.

-Faolan, you got your B-day present, you just need to get it cast.

Tommygun
03-04-2010, 08:47
Chimera/Bradley:
First one started.
I'm using a 1/48 scale paper craft model I bought and down loaded from the internet.
I use it as a paper template to cut out the plastic.
The scale is a good close size to the chimera.
I need six of them, which is scary, as I'm in Mr P territory now.
I think I may build the other 5 bodies and turrets before I go into detail with this one.

http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/ac188/tomweave2/Tank/DSCF1837ca.jpg
http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/ac188/tomweave2/Tank/DSCF1838ca.jpg

tryanotherone
03-04-2010, 13:49
That is a very nice looking hover tank.

Tommygun
03-04-2010, 20:22
That is a very nice looking hover tank.

It's not a hover tank. I just haven't installed the treads yet.
I put a small section of plastic under it to show what the overall height will be of the model.

Colonel Jacka
04-04-2010, 04:59
TG,

Looks like it would work as a wheeled vehicle as well.

SDKFZ
04-04-2010, 08:28
Looks good sofar, Tommygun ! Size and height looks like a match to me.
How will you paint these when their done ?

Wish you the best of luck in MrPs territory :angel:

/ SDKFZ

Faolan
04-04-2010, 08:34
Half tracked maybe? :-)

Tommygun
06-04-2010, 07:31
Six basic bodies..........all tread on tread action baby!
We don't do that wheeled or Bi-tread/wheel stuff around here.
Next up Turrets.

SDKFZ, they will look similar to your guard chimeras.
I'm going to spray them with Testors' Model Master Modern desert Camo and then wash them with GW sepia wash.


http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/ac188/tomweave2/Tank/DSCF1839aa.jpg

Colonel Jacka
06-04-2010, 09:17
You tread bitch! :D

Yayale
06-04-2010, 16:44
Is the cut away on the front right tank intentionally different, or are you infact not a plasticard god but a mere mortal who makes mistakes (be it rarely)?

Tommygun
06-04-2010, 22:22
Is the cut away on the front right tank intentionally different, or are you infact not a plasticard god but a mere mortal who makes mistakes (be it rarely)?

:mad: Blasphemer ! :mad:

That front one was the first one made.
I just simplified the cutting on the rest, as that part will be partly covered with more plastic.

Yayale
07-04-2010, 11:55
Ah right, in which case I return your godly status to you and apologize for my blasphemous comment. I shall go chastise myself thoroughly.

SDKFZ
08-04-2010, 13:36
Thanks, Mate ! Keep up your great work !!

This will be something, O.D.S. here we come :D

/ SDKFZ

Tommygun
12-04-2010, 06:54
So this is were I'm at:
-Finished 6 roughed out turrets, no detail work on them.
-One roughed out suspension system.
-Detailed one body.


The suspension will be built and the tracks added as a separate sub-assembly.
After it is painted, I will glue it in place.
The whole track assembly will be very simple as a lot of it is covered by armor.
But I will be adding a little more detail.

The body on the first one is done except for the removable hull weapon.

http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/ac188/tomweave2/Tank/DSCF1855ca.jpg
http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/ac188/tomweave2/Tank/DSCF1863ca.jpg
http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/ac188/tomweave2/Tank/DSCF1864ca.jpg
http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/ac188/tomweave2/Tank/DSCF1865ca.jpg

Tommygun
12-04-2010, 06:54
Hull
http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/ac188/tomweave2/Tank/DSCF1856ca.jpg
http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/ac188/tomweave2/Tank/DSCF1857ca.jpg
http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/ac188/tomweave2/Tank/DSCF1858ca.jpg
http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/ac188/tomweave2/Tank/DSCF1859ca.jpg
http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/ac188/tomweave2/Tank/DSCF1861ca.jpg
http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/ac188/tomweave2/Tank/DSCF1862ca.jpg

Yayale
12-04-2010, 12:55
Looking good :D No pics of the turret though?

SSG Snuffy
12-04-2010, 21:54
You and your nut/bolt/washer/rivet fetish... you're as bad as Tinners! Well, OK, not quite. :D

I like the hinges on the bottom of the ramp. What's your plan for wheels & treads?

Tommygun
13-04-2010, 06:31
Here are the turrets. No details yet.
The Chimera/Bradley is kind of a late 90's version with applique armor.
Not really rivets, but held on by a bolt and large washer.

http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/ac188/tomweave2/Tank/DSCF1876ca.jpg
http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/ac188/tomweave2/Tank/DSCF1874ca.jpg
http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/ac188/tomweave2/Tank/DSCF1875ca.jpg
http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/ac188/tomweave2/Tank/stryker_mc_1_of_3aa.jpg

Tommygun
13-04-2010, 06:32
Suspension of disbelief.
OK I like bad puns.


http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/ac188/tomweave2/Tank/DSCF1869aa.jpg
http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/ac188/tomweave2/Tank/DSCF1870ca.jpg
http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/ac188/tomweave2/Tank/DSCF1872ca.jpg
http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/ac188/tomweave2/Tank/DSCF1873ca.jpg
http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/ac188/tomweave2/Tank/DSCF1868ca.jpg

sheep
13-04-2010, 13:52
I love it, I want 50 :)

Cheers

Sheep

can't_decide
13-04-2010, 14:56
Great work Tommy! They are perfect to go with your Guard.

MrP
13-04-2010, 17:26
Good man! Looks like you've set yourself a load of work there, and you're doing well at getting it done. :)

Colonel Jacka
13-04-2010, 18:54
TG,

These are really coming along well. The bolt on extra armour looks great. How long to do the six vehicles?

Yayale
13-04-2010, 19:16
Looking reat, the tracks are nice, also simpler than they first appear.

Irondad
14-04-2010, 08:32
You don't do anything halfway!
Are you using 1.5 and 0.5 mm for the tracks?

Tommygun
14-04-2010, 10:50
How long to do the six vehicles?

I'm not sure. Hopefully faster than my sanity is slipping away.
At present, I am about one plasticard shipment away from climbing onto the roof and throwing metal dreadnoughts at people as they walk by.
Mr P must suffer from masochism.

-Irondad, I use 0.5mm card for the first band/track that goes around the road wheels.
This 0.5mm band is for support of the "decorative" track parts (the parts that show).
I then use 1mm card over the 0.5mm band to make the decorative part of the track.
The smaller square "rubber" pads on the "metal" track segments are made with 0.5mm card.

Deusmex
14-04-2010, 12:30
I moan about painting red, then I see all your rivets and bolts.

You shame me sir.

Very nice work. I`ve had a soft spot for Bradleys ever since Tamiya started making the kit all those years ago.

God Im old....

Deusmex
14-04-2010, 12:34
http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/ac188/tomweave2/Tank/DSCF1875ca.jpg


Wait!!

If on the back of this guardsman thats your version of a camelback, then you sir have won the internet!!

SDKFZ
14-04-2010, 16:56
@ Tommygun : Your the Man, Mate !! Grand looking Chimera/Bradley, and your going to do how many ????
Your great ! Just love this !

Keep us posted !

TANK YOU !

/ SDKFZ

MrP
14-04-2010, 22:45
I'm not sure. Hopefully faster than my sanity is slipping away.
At present, I am about one plasticard shipment away from climbing onto the roof and throwing metal dreadnoughts at people as they walk by.
Mr P must suffer from masochism.

As my hiatus from my log shows, I spend months doing bugger all and then in a frenzy get stuff done. But I do have a masochistic streak - though not to the extent of a 1990s Tory MP, say. ;) I need to get a head of steam up as I've got 6 supers that need making. Bah. :(

Tommygun
15-04-2010, 09:18
Wait!!

If on the back of this guardsman thats your version of a camelback, then you sir have won the internet!!

Yes that's what it is.
I also added knee pads, sand goggles and night vision to helmets.

Faolan
15-04-2010, 11:50
If it's a camelback, they need drinking tubes around to the front, TG.

Tommygun
15-04-2010, 12:07
If it's a camelback, they need drinking tubes around to the front, TG.

What's that big word people like to use?

I know..............Anal Retentive!:p

It's a Space Camelback. It uses a high tech reverse osmosis through the skin.
.
.
.

Eater of Small Things
15-04-2010, 15:43
That exchange just made my day. :D

I'm impressed by the fact that you are making several of these things, and even in an assembly line they're looking top-notch. Usually it seems the case is that scratch-building in batches like that causes you to lose some of the more intimate detail, but it looks like you're bucking the trend with this latest project. Keep up the stellar plasticard wizardry.

Faolan
16-04-2010, 04:16
The term you're looking for, actually, is "attention to detail" or, even shorter "Detail oriented".

Now, for your highly defensive response, I think "lazy bastid" applies to you!

But, yanno, I'm willing to go with the lizardman explanation, it makes me smile when reading it!

I think they're looking good Tom, but I really think they'd look better as half-tracks.

Mewy
17-04-2010, 12:01
This log just gets better and better.

... I wonder what your brain would look like on a CAT scan whilst doing your WIPs... I think the machine would melt from the win...

The Inquisitor
19-04-2010, 18:30
Great to see you're still plugging away at this stuff. Great models!

Tommygun
20-04-2010, 03:30
Turret done on first unit. I left off the Armored Box Launcher (TOW Missiles).
If I want to add Krack missiles later, I can then add the Armored Box Launchers with magnets.
I still need to add some green stuff to the hull weapon area, but I'm done with the building of the first one.


Multi-Laser & Heavy Bolter Load Out.

http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/ac188/tomweave2/Tank/DSCF1880ca.jpg
http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/ac188/tomweave2/Tank/DSCF1881ca.jpg
http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/ac188/tomweave2/Tank/DSCF1882ca.jpg

Flamer Load out

http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/ac188/tomweave2/Tank/DSCF1878ca.jpg
http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/ac188/tomweave2/Tank/DSCF1877ca.jpg
http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/ac188/tomweave2/Tank/DSCF1879ca.jpg

TomG
20-04-2010, 05:33
Nice. Do you have hangar for all these models? :) Btw this plate on right side of turret is covering gap between plastic? :)

Faolan
20-04-2010, 05:40
Tom, I'll be honest, it's stunning overall, but I don't really care for the massive bullet trap that is the front plate on the tank's left side.

Irbian
20-04-2010, 08:19
that is a "counts as chimera" that really turn me on

MrP
20-04-2010, 12:54
Very nice work indeed!

Tommygun
20-04-2010, 13:17
TomG, are you talking about the little plate in this picture?
It is where the wall bends around a corner.
The template that I am using was originally meant to be used as a paper model.
Paper is much thinner than the 1mm plasticard I made the turret out of, so some areas don't look quite like the real Bradley.

Faolan, that's pretty much the original shape of the Bradley's turret.

TomG
20-04-2010, 13:22
Yeah this one. From previous photo it wasn´t clear, how this shape looks like.

Colonel Jacka
20-04-2010, 18:00
TG,

Jake is just jealous they look fanbloodytastic mate. Can't wait to see them painted. Great work.

SSG Snuffy
20-04-2010, 20:49
I really like the smoke launchers and the swappable weapons. From these photos, the suspension & tracks look good as well. Very nice! Care to hazard a guess on the number of hours you spent to finish this first one?

Faolan
21-04-2010, 04:40
TG, the tank, ie the hull, not the turret.

Pictures 1, 4, 5 and 6 show it rather well.

Tommygun
21-04-2010, 06:46
Are you referring to how this part sticks up?
I think they are trying to protect the front more, but still allow the driver to see to his right when using the vision blocks.

SDKFZ
21-04-2010, 18:30
That turned out realy nice, Mate ! Love to see them with some paint.......

.....sigh........why do i have to work this much........................!

Great, just great !

/ SDKFZ

somweg
21-04-2010, 22:58
Great work! I am very impressed by your Bradley scratchbuilds.

You must have a lot of patience for doing rivets!

BeatTheBeat
21-04-2010, 23:00
Great looking bradley! And I second somweg - you must possess a superhuman patience... I have to agree about the weird looking plates, but after having their purpose explained they are rather nice really. Mental note - purpose helps.

Keep it up,
BTB

Faolan
22-04-2010, 05:02
It may be "Accurate", but it just doesn't look good/realistic is what I'm thinking - and you shouldn't be constrained by 100% accuracy :D

Col. Wales
22-04-2010, 06:42
Looking good so far there man very good indeed.

Deusmex
22-04-2010, 08:41
Quick question out of curiosity. I notice youre copying the wheel style from GW. Now the wheels are oop will you be copying them for continuity sake or going a little more detailed.

I ask cos the GW wheels were a big reason I never wanted to do open running gear cos I didnt like the look.

Tommygun
22-04-2010, 10:45
The running gear is mostly covered by the armor plates, so I didn't want to spend a lot of time detailing it.
With six vehicles now (and possibly a few more in the distant future) , I didn't want to make 96 detailed road wheels or 192 if I really want to be authentic.
Once it is painted the running gear will be darker and even less noticeable.
So in the words of Samuel L. Jackson:......Ah Hell No! :D

TomG
22-04-2010, 11:02
Molding and Casting are your friends or may be not. :)

Tommygun
27-04-2010, 00:35
All the turrets are 95% done and track assemblies are about 2/3 done.
Still have the five hulls to finish off.
I hope to be painting in two weeks.
Not much to say.....Tank you for rolling by.

http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/ac188/tomweave2/Tank/DSCF1883ca.jpg
http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/ac188/tomweave2/Tank/DSCF1885ca.jpg

sheep
27-04-2010, 01:30
Nice production line mate, and the design is awesome :)

Cheers

Sheep

SSG Snuffy
27-04-2010, 14:24
Do you create templates for your production-line work, or just eyeball it? When I say templates I mean something like a spacer or jig for measuring rivet placement, angles, etc.

Tommygun
28-04-2010, 00:48
I mostly just eyeball the rivets. I do use metal rulers, right triangles, measuring squares, circle templates and angle gauges for various things.
I have taken 4 years worth of drafting classes in high school and collage, so I do apply some of that to my work.
I will often draw out on the plastic, just as I would on paper, the model's parts and where other parts will fit on top of them.

http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/ac188/tomweave2/Tank/DSCF1869aa.jpg
http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/ac188/tomweave2/Tank/DSCF1863ca.jpg

bugbait_nz
28-04-2010, 04:06
Turrets are looking good!
I can see the logic in doing batches so everything is the same, but it must be soul destroying . . .

Bugbait out

SDKFZ
28-04-2010, 07:14
Your a Tank Factory now, Mate ! :D

Looking very nice, love to see one in paint.

/ SDKFZ

MrP
28-04-2010, 14:48
Grand work, old boy! A testament to perseverance!

Slaaaaaanesh
02-05-2010, 14:26
Turrets are looking good!
I can see the logic in doing batches so everything is the same, but it must be soul destroying . . .

Bugbait out

Thats exactly why it takes me so long to complete large projects, my minds eye says go make a squadron of chaos flyers and in reality it is a gruelling task that has seen mee shelve the project for months at a time before digging it out to focus on doing one part then back on the self it goes when I am sick of the sight of them. rinse and repeat till project is finally completed.

Slaaaaaanesh

castellanash
07-05-2010, 23:00
Well 6 pages, 5 hours and several replacement jaws later i get to the end of this wonderful thread. The sheer detail you do your tanks in and the patience you must have to put all those rivets on is astonishing. On the subject of rivets, what do you use to make them? plastic tubing with section cut off or circles cut out of plasticard? Wonderful thread subscribed to see more scratch-built madness.

Tommygun
08-05-2010, 06:19
Well I make rivets two ways:
A) I cut solid plastic rods into thin slices.
B) I use three sizes of paper hole punches or a mutli turret leather punch.

castellanash
08-05-2010, 10:01
Might try and make some vehicles myself in the future. PM sent.

logan054
08-05-2010, 12:41
Great looking thanks mate, you fancy making me a thunderhawk :angel:

Tommygun
16-05-2010, 08:18
Not quite done yet, but getting close.
I have been wasting my time reading!
Just need to add green stuff to the hull weapon area and a lot of the mounting hardware for the applique armor.
I'm so sick of punching out little disks.


http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/ac188/tomweave2/Tank/DSCF1888ca.jpg
http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/ac188/tomweave2/Tank/DSCF1889ca.jpg

Klaus, not Santa
16-05-2010, 08:28
OMG - this is the most awesome mass production I have ever seen!
Great, great, great!
I don't envy you for all the rivets, but the sight of this completed troop will be worth it!
Super!

MrP
16-05-2010, 11:02
Excellent work, old man. Not far to go now!

TomG
16-05-2010, 11:29
Oh ****. I´ve spent two weeks with one tactical marine squad still without paint. Only finished bases and marines ready for basecoat with some custom changes to them. (I hope, that I post photos today) And he does this to us. Uff. :)

Complicity
16-05-2010, 11:38
Impressive work! I like how they are all posed the same way as well :D

can't_decide
16-05-2010, 14:40
You may be sick of punching out the disks, but they're amazing! Great work. It's exciting to see these getting completed.

Sauragnmon
16-05-2010, 15:37
Damn, those Bradleys are seriously cool. They look absolutely awesome. Granted, I'd be a little more inclined to do something BMP styled for my Chimeras, but then I'm a soviet fan kind of guy.

Colonel Jacka
16-05-2010, 18:44
TG,

Hi from the Sudan. Mate is this a Plt Command Veh and five Squad Veh. What is the formation.

Tommygun
16-05-2010, 21:37
TG,

Hi from the Sudan. Mate is this a Plt Command Veh and five Squad Veh. What is the formation.

I modeled it after an Armored CAV unit with their support.

Edit: I think 3rd ID of Cadia, 2nd Brigade Combat team "Spartans", 3rd Squadron 7th Cavalry Regiment (3-7CAV), C troop "Crazyhorse"
I think "Crazyhorse" may be part of 1st Squadron, but I like the name.

6 Bradleys one a HQ.
2 M106 Mortar Carriers (Griffins)
2 M163 Vulcan Air Defense Systems (Hydras)
2 Air CAV units with my Vendettas
1 Devil Dog. I'm using the GW kit, but maybe I'll call it an M7 FIST?

The Griffins and Hydras will be made from modified Rhinos to look like the M113. (next project)
The Devil Dog will be mostly stock, but I will give it applique armor very similar to the Bradleys.

After that, back to making tanks. 10 to 20 tanks, but not scratch built.
It will be 10 FW tanks and then much later 10 Sherman Russ tanks.
I eventually want to make an Oshkosh HET m1070 to go with all this.
But in game terms it will be to long to use. :)
I guess I could park two of them on each edge side of the board and block all flanking units from entering the table.

Jacka take good care of yourself and don't bring back any cootie bugs.

SDKFZ
17-05-2010, 19:18
@ Tommygun: GO for that Oshkosh, they look awsome !
Nice progress on your Chimera/Bradlys.

/ SDKFZ

SSG Snuffy
18-05-2010, 02:57
Yes, C Troop would normally be in the first squadron... but so what? :D

Instead of a M113-based Hydra, would you consider using a Bradley chassis (i.e. Bradley Linebacker) instead? You'd have to make some additional modifications to the turret, of course... could be cool, though!

Tommygun
18-05-2010, 04:30
Yes, C Troop would normally be in the first squadron... but so what? :D

Instead of a M113-based Hydra, would you consider using a Bradley chassis (i.e. Bradley Linebacker) instead? You'd have to make some additional modifications to the turret, of course... could be cool, though!

The main reason I choose the M163 is that the M113 is a big box and easily made.
The differences with the Linebacker are a bit too subtle and I think would cause some confusion.
It also allows me to just modify some rhinos, which also saves time.

Green-is-best
18-05-2010, 06:13
Great stuff.

Out of curiosity, what is that brown stuff on the turrets?

Faolan
18-05-2010, 06:38
Depth perception issues.

Tommygun
18-05-2010, 07:08
Great stuff.

Out of curiosity, what is that brown stuff on the turrets?

That is car Bondo for filling gaps and things.


Depth perception issues.

Aren't you still wanted by the Australian police for something about "Persona non Grata"?

Faolan
18-05-2010, 08:23
Nope, they gave me temporary residency for the next 2-4 years while they figure out a legal reason to say "you're a ******" and throw me out.

Shouldn't you be plasticarding right now or something?

I mean, if you've got the free time to post on the forums, maybe you should make me two Medusa type cannons for my Priest-alikes.

The Inquisitor
18-05-2010, 18:05
That is car Bondo for filling gaps and things.





Ha! I thought it was testors Red stuff for a min; wonder how similar they are...

I'd probably use it more, though I've heard from lots of ppl re: problems with shrinkage

Irbian
18-05-2010, 21:16
coool

Are you planning on making some GW weapons for those bradleys?

Titanslayer2
19-05-2010, 19:16
wow thats all iu can say i wish i had the reasources of plasticard you have :D

SSG Snuffy
19-05-2010, 21:33
The main reason I choose the M163 is that the M113 is a big box and easily made.
The differences with the Linebacker are a bit too subtle and I think would cause some confusion.
It also allows me to just modify some rhinos, which also saves time.

I agree that there isn't much difference in the appearance of a standard M2 or M3 Bradley compared to a Linebacker. I envisioned replacing the turret weapon with an optic or target designator and putting an SVML on each side of the turret instead of just the left.

I can sympathize with your desire to get the builds done quickly and simply, but I think the end result would be better if you based all of your variants on the Bradley chassis. Not only would it give the whole mounted force a more consistent aspect, but it makes more practical sense (ease of maintenance) and is more consistent with the fluff (IG don't use Rhino-chassis vehicles).

You'll do what you will, of course... :p I'm just offering my opinion (for whatever that's worth).

Tommygun
20-05-2010, 01:50
Ha! I thought it was testors Red stuff for a min; wonder how similar they are...

I'd probably use it more, though I've heard from lots of ppl re: problems with shrinkage

I have never had a shrinkage problem.
I have heard of shrinkage problems with people who use it on cars and use really thick layers of it.
Bondo and putties are meant to fill small defects and people try to take shortcuts with their car body work.
They try and use putties and similar things instead of welding in new metal or pounding out the dents properly.
I believe this is where the shrinkage stories come from.


coool

Are you planning on making some GW weapons for those bradleys?

Well the hull heavy bolters on the hull do look like GWs' heavy bolters.
The multi laser on the turret is four barreled. I guess I could modify the end to look more like the GW one.
I hope my flamers look like flamers.




-On a side note I sat down the other night and calculated that I need to punch out about 1000 more disks to finish.
Right now I would be willing to sell Faolan's soul to get someone else to make them.

SSG Snuffy
20-05-2010, 03:32
-On a side note I sat down the other night and calculated that I need to punch out about 1000 more disks to finish.
Right now I would be willing to sell Faolan's soul to get someone else to make them.

Maybe that's why we've not heard from Tinners for a few months... all the rivets (and nuts & bolts) may have sent him off the deep end.

Keep a firm grip on your sanity. ;)

Faolan
20-05-2010, 05:27
You can sell my soul for that purpose, TG. I approve of this charity fundraiser.

Sauragnmon
20-05-2010, 10:28
I've worked with bondo in a few cases where I use it as a structural building putty - in large quantities, it will shrink as it dries, and its reaction is either exothermic enough, or part of its drying is that it will release something that it will soften styrene and warp it to accomodate the bond yet still shrink. I found these in situations where I was using it in bulk - an example is when I packed the nose of a plane with it to generate a noseweight to fix a tailsitting problem - there's a couple of indents in the nose from where it pulled in as it set.

So, in summation, treat bondo with respect, and be mindful that there might be situations where it will soften your styrene or if used in bulk, warp the styrene. Aside from that, it works quite nice for a gap filler - the only catch is that it can take a bit to set - the more you use in an area, the longer it'll take to fully set.

That said, your multilaser does look like the GW multilaser as it stands. I think your weapons are close enough to the existing weapons that it shouldn't be hard to tell what they are.

Irbian
26-05-2010, 09:36
Sorry, I dont know how I could, in the same post:
- Didnt see the heavy bolters (yes, they look like HB!)
- Completly forget about guard`s multilasers

By the way, cool work like always, I know how difficult is to work with plasticard and that makes your work more valuable

Tommygun
22-06-2010, 08:37
Not a lot to look at but, I have started the painting.
Primed the weapons and track assemblies black and started the detail work on them.
It's going to be a pain trying to paint light tan over the sides of the black road wheels.
The hulls and turrets also were primed gray and will get a Testors' Model Master Modern Desert Tan color I hope tomorrow.

Here are the pictures in their glorious techno color mediocrity.
http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/ac188/tomweave2/Tank/DSCF2008ca.jpg

http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/ac188/tomweave2/Tank/DSCF2010ca.jpg

http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/ac188/tomweave2/Tank/DSCF2011ca.jpg

Tommygun
23-06-2010, 10:04
I got the base color down and a little bit of detailing in today.
They look pretty plain at the moment, but that will change after the sepia wash and weathering.
I still need to sit down and figure out how the bumper ID numbers should be.
I have a bunch of Woodland Scenics dry transfer decals for the job.
I think they would be something like this:

3-3-7 ................ C-30 .............. (with C-30 being the leader and the rest C-31, C-32 etc...)
CAV

I need an ex or current tank head to proof check me?
Also as this is "C Troop" would their Chevron be pointing left?

http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/ac188/tomweave2/Tank/DSCF2012ca.jpg

http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/ac188/tomweave2/Tank/DSCF2013aa.jpg

http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/ac188/tomweave2/Tank/DSCF2015aa.jpg

Klaus, not Santa
23-06-2010, 10:22
How utterly insane! And yet so extraordinary great!
Really a great job
*I bow before the master of mass production*
Awesome!

sukigod
23-06-2010, 11:33
3-3-7 ................ C-30 .............. (with C-30 being the leader and the rest C-31, C-32 etc...)
CAV

I need an ex or current tank head to proof check me?
Also as this is "C Troop" would their Chevron be pointing left?


You got the markings-designations right. Can't confirm the chevron direction as I can't recall right now. Those things are looking good Tommygun!

Faolan
23-06-2010, 12:08
Nice mate. Could use some pintle mounts, but otherwise, I like.

Colonel Jacka
23-06-2010, 15:40
TG,

Chevron points forward if I thinking correctly about the marking you want!

Tommygun
23-06-2010, 23:04
TG,

Chevron points forward if I thinking correctly about the marking you want!

I found this picture, so I think you are correct.
I was misinterpreting it as always pointing left.
This picture is from 1991 and I think the delta one has changed, but I hope the others are the same.

Vex
23-06-2010, 23:06
The Israel Defense Forces use chevrons in various orientations as organizational designators on their vehicles, specifically which company within a battalion they belong to. A downward pointing chevron would mean it belongs to its battalion's first company, a forward pointing one to the second, upward the third and backward the fourth company[3].

Tommygun
24-06-2010, 02:22
OK after two days of web surfing and reading through reference books, I have discovered I will figure out if there was someone in the grassy knoll, before I fully understand the military's chevron system.

First: I believe it has changed sense 1991.
Now it looks like in the US it is:
Chevron up=1st Platoon
Chevron right=2nd Platoon
Chevron down=3rd Platoon
Chevron ????=4th Platoon

/= CAV unit ????

It looks like my vehicles may need a slash rather than a chevron?

http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/ac188/tomweave2/Paper/scan0001aa.jpg
http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/ac188/tomweave2/Paper/scan0003aa.jpg
http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/ac188/tomweave2/Paper/scan0002ca.jpg
http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/ac188/tomweave2/Paper/3-7cavATpm1a1hitMod.jpg

sukigod
24-06-2010, 02:48
I think it might even change from division to division.

In Germany in the 80s, we had no turret or skirt markings barring the Battalion logo on the front right facing turret slope. I guess you'll just need to find a schema you like and stick with it.

Good luck!

Tommygun
24-06-2010, 03:21
I think it might even change from division to division.

In Germany in the 80s, we had no turret or skirt markings barring the Battalion logo on the front right facing turret slope. I guess you'll just need to find a schema you like and stick with it.

Good luck!

I think I will probably do that.
I'm partial to a left facing chevron with the letter C next to it and keep it left facing on both sides of vehicle or the /.
A little bit like this:

<c or <30

/c or /30

Faolan
24-06-2010, 05:48
I did some googling on this myself last night, and found that, at least during some fairly modern time periods, all ACRs would have an equilateral triangle with a flat side down.