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Ordo Malleus
07-02-2008, 21:36
Hi

I’ve started painting up an army of Grey Knights, however, my paint scheme is not the silver one of the current DH Codex, instead I’ve gone for one that resembles the original scheme of the Knights portrayed in Index Astartes (My scheme is black, with detailing in gold, silver and red). Now my only problem is that I am a fluff addict, and I’m not keen on having my Grey Knights a different colour without a reason, nor am I keen to paint them in the ‘normal’ Grey Knight colour scheme.

This is where my quandary hits me, I really can’t think of a feasible reason why Grey Knights would not be the standard silver colour. The only two ideas that I can think of are:

1. They are a specific order of Grey Knights within the chapter, perhaps permanently based somewhere other than Titan, possibly even a fleet-based part of the Chapter, that patrols areas of the Imperium that are too far away from Titan to allow a rapid reaction.

2. The second idea was to have my Grey Knights on board a Strike Cruiser, en-route to an incursion in the 33rd Millennium, they get lost in the warp (Not thought of a reason why yet), for 7,000 years in real-space time, which for them passes in but an instant. They immediately make contact with the Chapter and return to Titan for purity testing etc. Once declared pure, they become an active part of the Chapter, but decline to re-paint their armour in the ‘new’ colour of the Grey Knights, instead preferring to keep their own ‘older’ colour scheme.
Now I realise that some people might argue that the Grey Knights would never tolerate such indiscipline, however, my retort to that would be that they initially did not, but after a meeting of the Grand Masters was called, it was decided that it would be more beneficial to allow their armour to be left in the old scheme, than to ostracise an entire company of faithful Grey Knights.

So those are my two ideas... not the best ones in the world I admit, but I would really appreciate help with this! Any constructive criticism, new ideas or death threats are welcome!

Malleus :)

starlight
07-02-2008, 21:50
I'm doing all my Grey Knights in Gloss Black, so I might not be the best to comment...;)

However, I'd go down one of these roads if I felt the need to justify my choice:

#1) Who is to say that the Grey Knights aren't more like the Space Wolves or Black Templars in having crusading forces that have *Crusade* markings, etc.

#2) GW has a track record of doing things like this, so why not?

Alternatively, I'd consider that we've only seen a small segment of the Grey Knights out there, so who is to say that Silver is the *only* colour they use? Maybe GKs who specialise in fighting each Chaos God have different coloured armour and we've only seen one aspect?

Regardless, Grey Knights aren't like other Marines in having a huge diversity in Tactics. It's not like you'll confuse your opponent by your paint job. As long as you're happy with the reasoning, go for it.:)

DarkTemplar87
07-02-2008, 22:33
Also remember that some GK's use the colours of their leader, thus is it plausible that they have all painted their armour the same as their leaders. GK's can be very similar to black templars in this regard.

folnjir
08-02-2008, 07:05
1. They are a specific order of Grey Knights within the chapter, perhaps permanently based somewhere other than Titan, possibly even a fleet-based part of the Chapter, that patrols areas of the Imperium that are too far away from Titan to allow a rapid reaction.

I like the idea that they are a specific order. I have not seen anything about the internal structure of the Grey Knights and your idea explains a different colour scheme nicely.

BaronDG
08-02-2008, 11:06
Thanks to a bookkeeping error by Matt the munitorium maniac the entire force was inducted into the death watch...

Remoah
08-02-2008, 11:29
i don't see any problem with them keeping thier old armour. Grey Knights, like all space marines, would wear nothing but a loincloth if said loincloth was said to be worn by the emperor himself.
They go for the meaning, history, story and glory of thier armour rather than it's functionality. In any chance they'd be revered as prophets of a bygone age and would probably be allowed to keep thier armour.

Or you could say they were cleansing a fire world and thier armour was perpetually turned black by soot and ash, they just havent got around to cleaning it :)

Vesica
08-02-2008, 11:30
You could say they painted it black after some great dishonor delt upon them by some foul heretic, or maybe they lost their commander and painted their armour black out of remeberance untill they avenege his death.

Good luck with the colour scheme.

pookie
08-02-2008, 13:45
i don't see any problem with them keeping thier old armour. Grey Knights, like all space marines, would wear nothing but a loincloth if said loincloth was said to be worn by the emperor himself.
They go for the meaning, history, story and glory of thier armour rather than it's functionality. In any chance they'd be revered as prophets of a bygone age and would probably be allowed to keep thier armour.


agreed - because your a fluff addict tehre is nothing wrong with using thier origanal colours, imo any how.


You could say they painted it black after some great dishonor delt upon them by some foul heretic, or maybe they lost their commander and painted their armour black out of remeberance untill they avenege his death.

i doubt that they would suffer like you say, they would either - be succesful in what ever mission, or die trying, the GK imo are the most Uber of SM and wouldnt ever be dishonoured.

starlight
08-02-2008, 13:55
I'll disagree on the dishonour bit. It's possible that their ship was attacked and their Brother-Captain killed before they could teleport into battle. The Greater Daemon could have hurled their ship back through the Warp, causing their mission to fail and a world to fall. They now quest to redeem themselves and the honour of their fallen Brother-Captain by slaying the Daemon responsible.

pookie
08-02-2008, 14:36
I'll disagree on the dishonour bit. It's possible that their ship was attacked and their Brother-Captain killed before they could teleport into battle. The Greater Daemon could have hurled their ship back through the Warp, causing their mission to fail and a world to fall. They now quest to redeem themselves and the honour of their fallen Brother-Captain by slaying the Daemon responsible.

a GD managed to infiltrate onto a GK ship and then survive?, possibly the most heavily shielded Ship (against Daemons/warp) in the imperium :eyebrows: cant see it myself. (but thats just me, not directed at you as such Starlight, just doubt that it would happen).

although dont GK have variant colour scheme depending on who there Company Master is? or is that on there 'Shields'?

starlight
08-02-2008, 14:50
He/It doesn't have to get *on* the ship to damage it, He/It can just as easily toss several huge chunks of *something* (random asteroids, etc) at it. I'm not talking about an Emperor Class ship, but something more Strike Cruiser-ish size.

Lucky hit, Bridge goes *bye, bye*, mashed remains of Brother-Captain sucked out into space. Teleporters disabled, engines inoperative, Grey Knights watch helplessly as world is consumed...

Vendetta/quest/crusade begins.:)

Baltar
08-02-2008, 14:51
Just say no to Grey Knights that aren't actually Grey.

Whats next? Green Black Templars?

pookie
08-02-2008, 15:01
He/It doesn't have to get *on* the ship to damage it, He/It can just as easily toss several huge chunks of *something* (random asteroids, etc) at it. I'm not talking about an Emperor Class ship, but something more Strike Cruiser-ish size.

Lucky hit, Bridge goes *bye, bye*, mashed remains of Brother-Captain sucked out into space. Teleporters disabled, engines inoperative, Grey Knights watch helplessly as world is consumed...

Vendetta/quest/crusade begins.:)

thats true, and im not trying to thread jack, but dont they just use strike cruisers? or maybe battlebarges too?


Just say no to Grey Knights that aren't actually Grey.

Whats next? Green Black Templars?

well considering they aint 'grey' but silver then your point is a bit mute really. and like the OP said they did have a scheme to start with that changed, and thats the scheme he actually wants to use, so why not?

ctsteel
08-02-2008, 20:40
The Grey Knights novel (and I think? some of the fluff/artwork) refers to the knights being buried with their weapons and armour, but over time they have needed to come back and re-use that armour/weaponry as all the old, powerful stuff was being lost to use. So perhaps this unit/force is using ancient, revered armour from the deepest tombs of Titan, and to change its original paint scheme would be tantamount to heresy for the dishonour it would do to the armour's spirit and the original wearers?

ReveredChaplainDrake
10-02-2008, 19:12
I think after Grey Knights get veteran enough to a certain point, they are allowed to display personal heraldry on their armor. Maybe perchance some Grey Knights who all came from one place (chapter, crusade, planet, star system, whatever) would display similar heraldry.

My Grey Knight force uses a color scheme of half Blood Red + Chesnut wash and half Mithril Silver + Blue ink + Blue ink wash, and that's the reasoning that I use.

Archaon
10-02-2008, 19:31
Why not use the background for the Dark Angels Deathwing?

Repaint their armor in honor of someone or something.

It could be that during a big mission the locals fought with such valor and not falling to corruption that they actually bailed out the Grey Knights from a tight spot while dying to the last man.
It could have given the Grey Knights the opening to win the day and in honor of them they chose the traditional battle color of those humans.

The Warmaster
11-02-2008, 09:14
Well, I'm personally thinking retcon on this one, although I think I remember reading in some place that Grey Knights do have a subsect or two with differently painted armour. Of course, given the unique nature of the Chapter, I wouldn't find it surprising if the alterations were often implemented for a reason (after all, Grey Knights have been officially displayed in a number of colours since the original GK Termies, having only settled into a particular scheme with the release of the Daemonhunters codex). Of course, when it comes right down to it, it's really your call as to what scheme you paint them in (I've actually seen bright yellow Relictors before, come to think of it), just as long as your opponents will know what they are. And, if you're feeling creative, come up with a reason for it in your army's background. Perhaps the Knights sometimes alter their colours for various campaigns (like some non-heretical, daemonhunting Alpha Legion?).

- N.

Findecano
11-02-2008, 09:54
perhaps there are smaller 'chapters'/task forces on permanent duty at worlds/systems with increased daemonic activity, such as cadia; it doesn't make sense for the gk to just put a couple 100 grey knights at cadia till the daemonic infestations end, which would be a long time for marines to have ever active ships in orbit. They would have some sort of permanent bases, and perhaps even slightly different traditions and thus colour schemes.

TheOverlord
11-02-2008, 13:23
Hasn't the armor of the Grey Knights since it's inception always been gun-metal? Or at least their books seem to imply that.

Whilst I don't know about changing their entire color wholely, I do support the fact that these ARE in fact Knights, and they are based very heavily on the idea of a Paladin, a holy knight, and knights tend to wear their liveries on tabards, shields or otherwise.

Then again, this is your army, and if you've painted it well, bah to anyone with a stick too far up his **** to see it your way.

As long as you aren't painting it neon green of course. No amount of skill can save that kind of atrocity.

dark blade
11-02-2008, 13:46
this amy just be me, but they can have whatever coler armor they like becouse, (lets be honest) you are not going to argue with a 9 foot tall, bioenhanced killing mashine which ALSO has the best armor, psycic powers AND a wepon that is intune with said powers are you??

if they want to wear diffrent colered armor im not going to argue with them.

Marshal Argos
11-02-2008, 15:40
Hasn't the armor of the Grey Knights since it's inception always been gun-metal? Or at least their books seem to imply that.


In the origianl Index Astartes article for the GK they wore Black PA and TDA. IT wasn't until later that GW decided to have them painted in gun-metal. Probably to distinguish them from the Death Watch marines.

Grimbad
11-02-2008, 19:54
In said index astartes there is also an illustration depicting what appears to be a 'modern' grey knight.
Personally, I liked the idea of the GK and the Deathwatch being the 'men in black' of 40k.

Colonel Puti
12-02-2008, 11:35
I'm pretty sure, that the silver/grey/gun-metal color of the Grey Knights armour was supposed to be unpainted ceramite. There was something that the unpainted armour represented. Not sure though.

You can of course paint your Knights black, and state that they represent the old Grey Knights. People make pre-heresy marines, why couldn't you use the old color scheme?

Grey Knights (ones allowed to) wear heradlry in the small shields, or so says thy GW.

The Warmaster
12-02-2008, 11:49
I'm pretty sure, that the silver/grey/gun-metal color of the Grey Knights armour was supposed to be unpainted ceramite. There was something that the unpainted armour represented. Not sure though.

Purity. That's what you're thinking of there.

- N.

ShadowKnight64
13-02-2008, 02:27
i personally painted my greyknights in Tin bitz then inked them black....and highlighted with fortress grey... it looks great i think, but im really still trying to justify it in the fluff... i'm willing to tell people off if they give me too much flack about it cuz they do look good now that ive got a big chunk of them painted but still....

Check it out, this is some of what im doing with my pure Grey Knights army...
http://warseer.com/gallery/showgallery.php?cat=500&ppuser=23158

Khornies & milk
13-02-2008, 02:47
If you want to stick to the Background then it's the current Silver/Blue tinge, or pre-heresy Black, but in the end they're your minis and you can paint them polka dot if you like...they're still Grey Knights. Me, I like going by the official Background.

I have seen a GK army that isOrange, and about 3000 points. Everything is Orange...the Vehicles, Dreads, everything. Looks absolutely horrible (imo). Some people have refused to let him play it as Grey Knights because they're not the norm (grey), which is a very sad indictment about their attitude.

SilentHunter
26-10-2011, 22:36
Comes down to how well you paint your colour scheme but keeping them in some way unified to traditional grey knights, fluff comes down to how much imagination you have, just have fun with it

Blink
27-10-2011, 00:53
I use the Grey Knights codex only for the Inquisition side of it, and I came up with the reason for my paint scheme as they're using space camo; The Starry Knights, heh.

Zond
27-10-2011, 01:05
I've always wanted to do a Grey Knights army based on the seven deadly sins. Each sin would correspond to a colour, and the Astartes would somehow be tested for the flaw, and would paint their power armor in that colour as a reminder that they are fallible and need to exercise constant vigilance against the forces of corruption.

That star camo is awesome.

starlight
27-10-2011, 01:34
Please do not resurrect Threads that are (in this case) three and a half years old without contributing something significant.

Start a new Thread.

Thread Closed.

starlight