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Mechanicus
01-10-2005, 13:35
How many Earthshakers would an Imperial Guard Artillery regiment have? Also, how would the regiment be organised(Troop numbers, etc.)

Thanks in advance!

Sojourner
01-10-2005, 13:37
Going to have to make guesswork here. I would say the heavy artillery is going to be quite low in numbers and the bulk of the regimental manpower being in support, maintenance, spotting, armoury and so on.

Perhaps something like a dozen batteries of six guns each, as a wild guess? No sure information though. Depends on where it's raised from.

Puffin Magician
01-10-2005, 13:47
Just like how the size of a full Imperial Guard Infantry Platoon can vary, Regiments can also be of different sizes. I'll talk about Mechanized Artillery because the Armoured Battlegroup list is a good thing to go by.

There'd be an HQ Company, presumably comprised of Salamander Command Vehicles, Chimeras and the like.

Then there'd be between 4 and 10 Companies, with each Company having 9 Basilisks [or Manticores] at full strength, so the total could be anywhere between 36 and 90 artillery pieces.

Things like Bombards and Medusas would be seperated into their own Siege Companies but could still fall under the Regimental Command.

Probably throw in a Reconnaissance Company [6-10 Salamander Recon vehicles] and Anti-Aircraft battery [3 Hydras/Hydra Platforms+Trojan] too.

Mechanicus
01-10-2005, 15:03
Would they have any guardsmen for defensive purposes?

Sojourner
01-10-2005, 15:11
In the field, very probably. As a regiment though, probably not, other than the forward observers and reconnaissance mech units. They'd have infantry attached from an infantry regiment in the field, though.

Mechanicus
01-10-2005, 17:56
Thanks for all your replies so far - I promise I'll stop asking pointless questions soon! :D

Where do Earthshakers come into this?

Are half the companies basilisks and half Earthshakers, or does it depend on the regiment?

Puffin Magician
01-10-2005, 19:07
Most Regiments would have a mix of all Imperial Artillery types, with variation in numbers.
Basilisks, Griffons, Medusas, Manticores, Bombards, Deathstrikes.
<---Common------------------------------->>>-------------------------------Rare--->

What do you mean by "where do Basilisks come in"? A Basilisk is the name of the tank that carries the Earthshaker Cannon. The only other unit with this weapon is the Earthshaker Cannon Platform.

Mechanicus
01-10-2005, 19:18
Oops. Meant to say that "Where do Earthshakers come in"

You see basilisks attached to other regiments, but judging by some examples(For the Emperor) there are earthshaker Platforms on carriages pulled by Trojans.

I wasn't sure whether they were all one type(all basilisks/earthshaker platforms) or mixtures of the two.

EDIT: Edited previous message for mistake.

Haarken
01-10-2005, 22:13
Most Regiments would have a mix of all Imperial Artillery types, with variation in numbers.
Basilisks, Griffons, Medusas, Manticores, Bombards, Deathstrikes.
<---Common------------------------------->>>-------------------------------Rare--->



Basilisks, Medusas, Manticores and Bombards would probably feature in the same artillery regiment. Griffons are essentially close support units and Deathstrikes are intercontinental missiles whilst the rest are restricted to the same theatre. I'd also include Hydra's in there as they are anti-aircraft artillery and though there would be dedicated AAA formations it is likely artillery regiments also have some dedicated units.

Puffin Magician
01-10-2005, 22:15
Okay, you meant how much, if any, of a mixture of Static Towed or Self Propelled Artillery?

I suspect the Platforms would be gathered around strategic locations [fuel depots, starports, and any kind of Command Company to provide defensive support.

The Hydra Platform in particular would be selected from a pool and typically lugged around with rather mobile Regiments. I have a Hydra Battery assigned to my Centurio Ordinatus force for mobile AA defense.

The SPGs would be concentrated in Armoured Battlegroups, Mechanized Infantry Batallions, or other units that need a big gun that can keep up. "Regular" Imperial armies having them assigned to them as it is necessary.

I think they would only be mixed in near-equal quantities would be when they're employed either en-masse as a slowly advancing artillery line [speed would not be a factor so the Platforms would be useful], or a large operation requiring the armies to "scrape the bottom of the barrel" so to speak and bring up every available unit that they need.

Edit for the speedy reply...

Basilisks, Medusas, Manticores and Bombards would probably feature in the same artillery regiment.
I agree, I was just displaying their quantative rarity; ie: you'll see a lot more Medusas than Deathstrikes.


Griffons are essentially close support units and Deathstrikes are intercontinental missiles whilst the rest are restricted to the same theatre.
The Deathstrike isn't exactly an ICBM, but a more like a medium-ranged Tactical Cruise Missile. It could be allocated into Companies consisting mainly of Mancitores as they also have an insanely excessive range. Griffons would be assigned alongside Medusas or even the Bombard if the theatre is large enough.

I'd have two categories: Siege & Bombardment. It's easy to see which tank falls into what category.


I'd also include Hydra's in there as they are anti-aircraft artillery
Anti-Aircraft units are typically selected from a 'massed armour pool' like other units such as Atlases and Baneblades. They are assigned to the army as they're needed, so it's only likely to see an Anti-Aircraft Regiment in paper form [the tanks themselves will be spread all over the place]. I would never consider them in the same class as Artillery pieces and their role is obviously different, but they would commonly be assigned together [Hydras defending Artillery positions when Thunderbolts aren't around].

Axel
01-10-2005, 22:50
Pure guesswork would indicate that the number of artillery in an artillery regiment is not very different from that of main battle tanks in an armoured regiment. The purpose of that guesswork is that we do have FW-fluff regarding the latter. The 12th Tallarn Armoured Regiment on Taros had a paper strength of 129 LR, 30 Demolishers, 11 Superheavies, 48 Basilisks and 367 other assorted armoured vehicles. This translates into roughly 200 battleworthy vehicles, of which the majority would be Basilisks.

the_yuk
01-10-2005, 23:38
Look up real life examples of these units. It does greatly depend on the situation and particular army. Due to numbers some regiments may be unable to field full strengyh artillary units, so there orgainisation may vary greatly to other regiments.

jimbo034
02-10-2005, 23:21
soryy to hijack the thread but are there any super heavy artillery vehicles

Puffin Magician
03-10-2005, 08:18
That depends on the definition.

Current and WWII era militaries used the term "super heavy artillery" when naming the largest of calibre weapons, usually 250-410mm. The term could certainly apply to the Basilisk and Bombard.

But since this is 40k, I assume you mean proper Superheavy Vehicles carrying huge artillery pieces. Unless you consider the Shadowsword and her Volcano Cannon, there's no existing vehicle to my knowledge that combines large artillery guns and a Superheavy Tank chassis. That's certainly not to say that none exist, but I don't see the need for it.

For destruction on a grander scale than several companies of Manticores or Basilisks, you could simply call in an Orbital Strike, rely on Titans, and if the situation is rare enough, call upon an Ordinatus.

Remember the thing about IG is quantity not quality; if they need lots of artillery they'll simply use lots of normal vehicles to do it.

Sai-Lauren
03-10-2005, 08:23
soryy to hijack the thread but are there any super heavy artillery vehicles
None that we know of.

Well, so far anyway ;) VDR does allow for them - gun batteries are only allowed on war machines, and I'm sure a baneblade version of a sherman calliope has been tried at some point.


Static Towed or Self Propelled Artillery?
And light, medium or heavy? Mortars count as artillery, so a guard regiment fully equipped with mortars would be part of the artillery pool - potentially they could have un-mounted griffon mortars as their heavy support.

Or how about a warlord titan armed for bombardment?

(BTW His Last Command makes reference to energy artillery weapons, presumably things like Defence Lasers or Volcano Cannon.)


Anti-Aircraft units are typically selected from a 'massed armour pool' like other units such as Atlases and Baneblades. They are assigned to the army as they're needed, so it's only likely to see an Anti-Aircraft Regiment in paper form [the tanks themselves will be spread all over the place].
I would agree, although I personally would say that armoured/mechanised regiments may also have some specialised vehicles - including Hydras - held at company and battalion level, and assigned as required.

Warsmith Jeff
04-10-2005, 00:59
The only super heavy vehicle that comes to mind is the Stormsword siege super heavy.

The ShadowSword is more of a hunter vehicle and not artillery.

There are also the mega cannons on the Capital Imperialis, and the Leviathans, and then of you have the Ordinatus cannons.