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Ironjens
14-02-2008, 13:04
I've been thinking while I've been working on my Flash Gitz which units lack models in Warhammer 40k. These are my findings so far in the codecii I own.

Units lacking models:

Orks:

Wazdakka Gutzmek

Old Zogworts

Boss Snikrot

Boss Zagstrukk

Kaptin Badrukk

Battlewagon

Flash Gitz

Looted wagon

Witch hunters:

Celestians?

Chaos Space Marines:

Chosen (lacking a kit similar to space marine veterans)

Noise marines with sonic blasters

Tyranids:

Hive Tyrant with wings (except for the FW kit)

Leaping Tyranid warriors

Flying Tyranid warriors (except for the FW kit)

Rippers outside of other kits

Raveners with rending claws

Space Marines:

It's all there

Imperial Guard:

It's all there (well except for cadian rough riders...)

It seems like the forces of comparably good are more well off than the evil forces. This can't be because of popularity, could it? I mean, who'd want to play space marines when you could have their evil twins?

ankara halla
14-02-2008, 13:07
Read your SM codex again, you are missing a unit (except for the FW kit)

Ironjens
14-02-2008, 13:15
At first I thought you might mean a land speeder variant, but they're all in the online shop. So I have to admit I'm at a loss to what you are reffering to, please enlighten me

ankara halla
14-02-2008, 13:22
First hint, is often represented by a can on coke :)

EldarWolf
14-02-2008, 13:30
First hint, is often represented by a can on coke :)

? another clue please!

Spacker
14-02-2008, 13:31
And to be less cryptic, it's a pod that drops ;)

Shadowseer Crofty
14-02-2008, 13:31
At first I thought you might mean a land speeder variant, but they're all in the online shop. So I have to admit I'm at a loss to what you are reffering to, please enlighten me

The drop pod. Only a forgeworld model for that.
EDIT: aargh, too slow

now, to add to the list

Dark Eldar:
Hellions with shredder/blaster

Eldar:
Dark Reaper exarch with shuriken cannon (unless you can still get the classic one, back when they didn't have an EML model)
Warlock/Farseer on jetbike
Howling Banshee exarch with triskele (sp?)
Swooping Hawk exarch with pistol and power weapon (or sunrifle, if unlike me you don't think the gun it has can count as either a hawks talon or sunrifle)
Warp Spider exarch with spinnaret rifle
Shining Spear exarch with star lance (again ignoring counts as, as the brightlance it comes with is no longer an option)
Vyper with shuriken cannon instead of twin-linked shuriken catapults

Warp Zero
14-02-2008, 13:31
There's a few more I can think of....

Witch Hunters:

-Seraphim with inferno pistols

Dark Eldar:

-Decapitator

Eldar:

-Farseer on Jetbike
-Warlock on Jetbike

Wyatt
14-02-2008, 13:33
Space Marines:
Drop pod!

Imperial Guard:
Rough riders (or Cadian ones at least, I mean come on...)

Witchhunters:
Celestians

Deus Mechanicus
14-02-2008, 14:19
Yeah the Space Marines definatly needs the drop pod model, cans of coke are not pretty

Also missing: Librarian with Jump Pack

Admiral Koppenflak
14-02-2008, 15:08
Imperial Guard: Hardened Veterans and Deathworld Veterans...

...admitedly these can be easily converted.

Bregalad
14-02-2008, 15:21
Tau. Shield Drone and Marker Drone that can be bought separately.
Eldar: As above plus Female Farseer;)
Dark Eldar: All units (except perhaps jet bike) :)
Inquisition: As above plus customizable retinue (earlier only possible with bitz service)

LittleLeadMen
14-02-2008, 15:32
GW makes noise marines with sonic blasters. They have for years.

Up until this week you could even special order the arm pairs if you wanted more than what came with the Emperor's Children box.

They are supposed to be re-released as a bitz upgrade with the re-organization of the bitz line.

Right now, you can get them here: Sonic Marines (http://store.us.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.us?do=List_Models&code=303055&orignav=300901&ParentID=213731&GameNav=10)

As for the orks, the battlewagaon, the looted wagon, and Zagstruck are all getting released this year with the second wave of ork releases. In the meantime, there are perfectly acceptable GW models available on the FW site for the Battelwagon and various lotted vehicles.


As for the Tyranids, there's no need to release separate Rippers, as they are already included with every major release that is required in a Tyranid army already. And, if that's not enough, GW's FW line also sells Ripper Swarms and Flying Rippers.

Sir_Turalyon
14-02-2008, 18:52
Chaos Chosen / Guard Veterans / Celestials itp were intentionaly left without models, for conversion lovers to indulge themselves. I'm still surprised GW did marine veterans.



Orks:
Looted wagon


Plenty of models for that: rhino, predator, vindicator, chimera, leman russ, basilisk, hammerhead... looted wagon entry is template intended to represent vehicles that are not part of ork range.

A.S.modai
14-02-2008, 18:59
Master Belial of the deathwing. I've seen some kick butt conversions but i'm not skilled and way too lazy for that.

superknijn
14-02-2008, 19:01
Most, if not almost all, can be modelled yourself without too much effort, so it's not that important, really.

Don't forget that we haven't had any Traitor Guardsman models in a long time (don't know about the really old stuff), even though they appeared in two 3d edition codices.

Son of Makuta
14-02-2008, 19:09
Tyranids: We're missing parts for a good few of our biomorphs, not that non-Nid players would notice or the intrepid converters among us would care... :D (I fall into the latter category, as you might guess.)

Oh, and Gargoyles. :p

Snorphel
14-02-2008, 19:25
Most, if not almost all, can be modelled yourself without too much effort, so it's not that important, really.

Don't forget that we haven't had any Traitor Guardsman models in a long time (don't know about the really old stuff), even though they appeared in two 3d edition codices.


Well, traitor guardsmen do not HAVE to look like suicidal sewer rats - they can be represented by ordinary guard models. Not that that would be a lot of fun...

Apart from that, the list of 'missing models' is not very impressive indeed - mainly problematic for lazy people or those that cannot convert.

rebmonk
14-02-2008, 19:35
While there are models, GW needs to provide more in their sprues for tyranids:

Monstrous Devourers
Rending claws

It just irks me that raveners dont come with rending claws, warriors get 1 pair, and i only get 1 pair of MC devourers per carnifex box, they dont even come in the hive tyrant box!! And of course i need i need 2 pair for each hive tyrant. And they do look weird with the smaller devourers on them.

swordwind
14-02-2008, 19:37
Indeed, why does traitor = dragged through hedge backwards?

Snorphel
14-02-2008, 19:41
While there are models, GW needs to provide more in their sprues for tyranids:

Monstrous Devourers
Rending claws

It just irks me that raveners dont come with rending claws, warriors get 1 pair, and i only get 1 pair of MC devourers per carnifex box, they dont even come in the hive tyrant box!! And of course i need i need 2 pair for each hive tyrant. And they do look weird with the smaller devourers on them.

That's true - and it sucks that you cannot mail order the small sprue with the claws at the moment.
You could buy a box of genestealers - give the claws to your raveners and give the stealers two scything talons each. (The smaller claws look better on raveners.)

Ironjens
14-02-2008, 23:21
Ah, ok the drop pod is fairly obvious. It's just that I've never used them or thought about using them.

Regarding wether people are too lazy to convert isn't the question. The units lack models pure and simple. And Dark Eldar and others don't lack models, they have the butt ugly old metal ones but everybody wants plastic kits nowadays. As to FW stocking the models is beside the question since they're expensive.

To round up the question is not if people are too lazy or sucky at converting, but rather which units at the moment lack models. Open up your army codex and start counting :)

(Regarding the rippers the problem occurs when you buy your army secondhand from ebay and don't get a single ripper. Or if you do like me and convert every ripper into BFG escorts before you're dragged back into wh40k again...)

Rioghan Murchadha
14-02-2008, 23:24
Gotta love Necrons... got models for everything :p

Grimtuff
15-02-2008, 00:17
Gotta love Necrons... got models for everything :p

Except a Lord with a Staff of Light.... ;) (discounting the army box only one)

The Orange
15-02-2008, 00:29
Tau: Fire Warrior with Marklight
Eldar: Jetbike autarch with specialized helmets, and just about every exarch is missing one weapon option.

Gensuke626
15-02-2008, 00:48
I can't remember if DH and WH inquisitors can get Terminator Armor...Can they? If they can I think there's no model for that...

Oh...More orks (Gonna try to not repeat what's been listed already)
Big Mek w/ Mega Armor or Power Klaw or Burna
Generic Warboss w/ Mega Armor (Ie, Not Ghazghkull) or Power Klaw
Rokkit Buggies/Trakks
Rokkit Trukk
Rokkit Deffkoptaz, Deffkoptaz with Bigbommz or Buzzsaw
Killa Kan Grotzooka (From what I understand)
Snikrot
Kaptain Badrukk

That's all I can think of off the top of my head...
Really...most armies have been well supported as far as minis are concerned.

Vaktathi
15-02-2008, 01:17
Witch hunters:

Celestians? Functionally look identical to normal sisters, not much to do there really.



Chaos Space Marines:

Chosen (lacking a kit similar to space marine veterans)

Noise marines with sonic blasters
Well, again Chosen can be pretty well made with the normal kit, and really don't need anything to differentiate them other than extra bits.

Noise Marines do have a box with sonic blasters, just not enough to fully kit out the squad.




Tyranids:

Hive Tyrant with wings (except for the FW kit)

Leaping Tyranid warriors

Flying Tyranid warriors (except for the FW kit)

Rippers outside of other kits

Raveners with rending claws

The Tyrants and Warriors really don't need a kit of their own, maybe just a generic wing sprue. Leaping *really* doesn't need its own kit, and can be adequately shown by simple posing. I'll agree on Rippers however.




Imperial Guard:

It's all there (well except for cadian rough riders...)



While new RR's are very much needed, Cadian RR's would seem, odd (they don't have them in their doctrine structure.)

Rioghan Murchadha
15-02-2008, 02:04
Except a Lord with a Staff of Light.... ;) (discounting the army box only one)

Nope.. the Lord with Res orb that was released with Apoc has a staff of light.
http://ca.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.ca?do=Individual&code=99060110022&orignav=9

And the original
http://ca.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.ca?do=Individual&code=99060110009&orignav=9

At the very least, they are 2 different looking staves, so you could use one as a SoL and the other as a Warscythe..

On a side note.. I've always wondered why the pariahs' warscythes had built in gauss blasters, while the lord loses his shooting ability if he upgrades to a WS.. despite it still having the gun on the model.

Admiral Koppenflak
15-02-2008, 02:13
While new RR's are very much needed, Cadian RR's would seem, odd (they don't have them in their doctrine structure.)

Have you seen the Bike conversions on the GW site? I think they actually work extremely well....

Aryakas
15-02-2008, 02:24
Have you seen the Bike conversions on the GW site? I think they actually work extremely well....

The price of converting them makes me weep :D

Ymir
15-02-2008, 02:28
Chaos terminators with lightning claws? :rolleyes:

I mean, the only lightning claws available for Chaos are the ones in the lord sprue, which thus costs a fortune to buy from ebay or bitzshops online. I thought lightning claws for Chaos terminators would be such an obvious and attractive option that they should be included on the sprue, but nooo...of course not.

Speaking of terminators...would it really have been so hard to include icons? Or at least a damn -pole- that the icons from the ordinary chaos marine sprue could be attached to? Single icon poles also costs a fortune to buy, so there's obviously quite a demand for them.

Then I haven't even begun talking about pairs of lightning claws for regular marines, which seems to be available -only- in the space marine veterans kit....

And why doesn't Daemon Princes or Hive Tyrants or such come with wings, even though it's an option I've gotten the impression that almost every single player prefers?

I could go on forever. 40K really have too much options there isn't adequate bits for.

AmKhaibitu
15-02-2008, 02:46
Nope.. the Lord with Res orb that was released with Apoc has a staff of light.
http://ca.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.ca?do=Individual&code=99060110022&orignav=9

And the original
http://ca.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.ca?do=Individual&code=99060110009&orignav=9

At the very least, they are 2 different looking staves, so you could use one as a SoL and the other as a Warscythe..


Dude, I hate to be the one to break it to you, but both of those lords are equipped with warscythes. The new one just has a second blade.

The only lords with a staff of light are the limited edition army box lord which was meant to be the standard one, the destroyer lord, and the original classic lord.
At least from GW that is.
It's quite a significant design difference and doesn't feature the focusing array or the warscythe blades.

I have the new lord right here and that ain't no staff of light he's carrying around.

Rioghan Murchadha
15-02-2008, 03:52
Dude, I hate to be the one to break it to you, but both of those lords are equipped with warscythes. The new one just has a second blade.

The only lords with a staff of light are the limited edition army box lord which was meant to be the standard one, the destroyer lord, and the original classic lord.
At least from GW that is.
It's quite a significant design difference and doesn't feature the focusing array or the warscythe blades.

I have the new lord right here and that ain't no staff of light he's carrying around.

Makes you wonder what the foc array is for if it can't shoot no? I have a feeling that when they redid the lord model, they changed the look of the SoL, and we really just don't have a model with a warscythe.. since surely a simple scythe that doesn't shoot wouldn't need the green rod that goes in all necron GUNS? Either that or they flubbed the wording on the warscythe upgrade, and it's supposed to allow you to shoot as well.

AmKhaibitu
15-02-2008, 08:58
They haven't redesigned the look of the Staff of Light as it's certainly packaged with the destroyer lord, and they don't tend to deviate weapons into looking like each other as that causes confusion.

It's just odd that there's no base lord with the staff considering it's the basic choice.
Better would have been packaging an alternate weapon arm with the new lord. Though you could probably adapt destroyer lord arms to the new lord.
If you know what I mean.

As for the warscythe being modelled as if it could shoot, that was probably an earlier design decision, and then later they tweaked the rules or forgot to make it shoot.

Xenobane
15-02-2008, 10:26
While new RR's are very much needed, Cadian RR's would seem, odd (they don't have them in their doctrine structure.)

If the supposed disappearance of doctrines in the 5th ed. comes to pass, maybe that'll pave the way for Cadian RRs at some point in the depressingly distant future.


Have you seen the Bike conversions on the GW site? I think they actually work extremely well....

I think they look superb - the cost is prohibitive for me, unfortunately. There's also a rules problem here is you ask me - I'd love to have IG bikes, and I'd love to take Cadian-style Rough Riders. But given that the rules for cavalry and those for bikes are importantly different, it seems really wrong to use bikes as "count as" RRs. If you're going up against, say, CSM bikes, you will have supposedly similar vehicles acting in utterly different ways, and that seems weird.

Given that there's no way Cadians will be going to battle on horses any time soon (thank God), I think the only solution is to introduce a proper IG bike squadron into the next codex to grant Cadian-style armies some mobility (and good-looking models). But sadly I don't hold out much hope. :(