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Hideous Loon
03-10-2005, 18:14
Hello all. I just had this idea. Cherubia (you know, the winged babies who give Inquisitors +1I) are made from orphans from the Schola Progenitum, just like Sisters, right? How does one make sure that they stay infant, because having a fifteen-year-old Cherubium seems wrong. Do they use hormone therapy, cybernetic implants or some other, weird method? Perhaps lobotomising them, removing the hypophyse (the gland in the brain who controls growth hormones) would be a good idea. What do you think?
/loonie

Lord-Warlock
03-10-2005, 18:24
I like the idea of removing the hypophose - intellectually Cherubim seem to resemble a flock of birds more than babies, so some degree of mind-fiddling is definitely involved.

By the way - are you sure they're from the Schola Progenium? I always thought of them as the infant children of heretics - not really guilty, but not pure enough to simply let loose, so they're rebuilt in the image of Cherubim to be redeemed in the eyes of the Emperor...

Goblinardo
03-10-2005, 21:39
I remember reading something about Cherubim being dead babies that were destined to serve the Ministorum or the Administratum.

The AdMech removes their organs (yuk) and stuffs them with mechanical gadgets, so for all intents and purposes they are Servitor variants.

Xhalax
03-10-2005, 21:41
I was under the impression that the familiars, such as the Cherubim were made in a similar way to servitors.

For whatever reason, the children/their bodies were used to make the Familiars. Possibly because being children, they might be seen to represent purity.

However, the most commonly used familiar in the Imperium is actually Servo Skulls....which are the skulls of Imperial Servents

Ikkaan
04-10-2005, 09:47
Sorry if this is a stupid question that has already been answered: the cherubim and servo-skulls...what is their method of staying afloat ? anti-grav ? i suppose the wings on the cherubim are solely for cosmetic purposes ?

Brusilov
04-10-2005, 09:50
Indeed anti-grav is the answer, the wings are there for pure cosmetic reasons, and servo-skulls don't have any...

Iuris
04-10-2005, 09:52
Er, where do you guys get your fluff? I found nothing about the things in any codex I own!

Brusilov
04-10-2005, 09:55
The reference of servo-skulls being made from the skulls of Imperial servitors is refered to in several novels IIRC, one of them being Kill Team if memory serves... in which Kage is appaled by the Tau drone technology and compares it to the servo-skulls.

Khaine's Messenger
04-10-2005, 10:03
I found nothing about the things in any codex I own!

Oh, you'd be surprised how much of it we just pull out of our arses sometimes. But if it sounds good....

Servo-Skulls are noted prominently in the =][= ruleset with some flavor text that's pretty much a repetition of older material. For anyone interested, they added rules for cherubim recently (Swords of the Faithful article).

Lastie
04-10-2005, 15:44
If the flesh aprt of Cherubia are already dead, then surely the AdMech must hook up some preservative fluid to be pumped through the veins to ensure the flesh doesn't decay?

I like the idea of living babies being taken (not necessarily orphans, perhaps as payment for debts owed to Inquisitors by families?) and subjected to extensive surgery by the AdMech, possibly involving gene manipulation to switch off the aging process. However, if that's too advanced for your interpretation of the AdMech perhaps each Cherubia only lasts a couple of years before the aging process causes incompatibility with their mechanical augmentations, or they're simply killed off and replaced by new Cherubia. It is a harsh universe after all.

Goblinardo
04-10-2005, 19:28
Oh, you'd be surprised how much of it we just pull out of our arses sometimes. But if it sounds good....


There's fluff in people's arses??? :eek: :eek:




*hides

Hideous Loon
04-10-2005, 19:37
Goblinardo: Please. I've just eaten. Thank you lads for your replies. No, I wasn't sure about the Schola Progenitum thing, but it seemed appropriate. I like the idea of dead babies being gutted and filled with bionics, though.

Goblinardo
04-10-2005, 20:42
Ahh, shaddap. You're the one that wants to gut babies and fill them with bionics. :p

Minister
05-10-2005, 06:42
Servo-Skulls are noted prominently in the =][= ruleset with some flavor text that's pretty much a repetition of older material. For anyone interested, they added rules for cherubim recently (Swords of the Faithful article).
Which means that I am entirley official when I say that cherubim are a specialised form of Servitor, because I wrote that article. They are not made from corpses, not Progenia, but from vat-grown flesh constructs fitted with anti-grav units.

BaronDG
05-10-2005, 10:44
Servitors are not necessarily vat-grown. Besides, familiars have a psychic resonance to them which makes me think there are some dark arts involved in their creation...

Brusilov
05-10-2005, 11:19
And so what DG, it's entirely possible to vat-grow a familiar with a strong psychic resonance. Just use the DNA of a psyker or somesuch, and then bind it to the mind of the actual psyker using it. It's not all that complicated and certainly does not require sorcery of any kind.

IIRC, I seem to remember criminals were indeed sometimes transformed into servitors (and I'm not talking about arco-flagellants here, this punishment is IMO reserved for crimes against the Ecclesiarchy)

Minister
05-10-2005, 11:39
True, criminals (usually those who have sinned against the Mechanicus and Tech-Priests who have committed gross violations) may be turned into servitors, but the Cherubim are all vat-grown for this end.

Brusilov
05-10-2005, 11:42
I don't deny that, Minister. In fact that seemed the most logical answer...

Minister
05-10-2005, 12:10
Agreed, just saying.

Chrono-Gladiators are not true servitors, are they? So my example I had lined up falls through...

Use the Tech-Priest from the end of 13th Legion as an example instead.

BaronDG
05-10-2005, 14:24
Well, my inquisitors cherubim are made from his own children. You have to make some sacrifices to combat evil, you know...

Hideous Loon
06-10-2005, 05:58
BaronDG: That sounds very dark and brooding. Is your Inquisitor a Radical, perhaps?

And Goblinardo, I'm watching you...

BaronDG
06-10-2005, 13:15
He is quite radical. His family has over the centuries given birth to several inquisitors, all with more knowledge of chaos than is good for them...