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LuciusAR
02-03-2008, 23:31
Amongst my friends I have been something of an enigma for I am pretty much the only person know who does not play WoW. No apparent reason really, RPG's have never really done it for me and Ive always been an RTS and FPS man. It simply never occurred to me to play it.

However I'm the sort of person who will try anything once so after loads of pressure from my friends I relented and agreed to be lent a trial version of the game. So yesterday morning I started to install the game, incidentally it took my 6 hours, because of the 4 patches I had to download and install! (Seriously how much effort would it be to release a single version 1.0 to current with every patch release!)

Anyway after all this effort I started to play I was determined to give this game a fair trial, Ive got a week off and thought this may be a good way to spend my free time.

Ive currently played for about 4 hours, I'm a level 6 Tauran Druid and I'm within a hairs breadth of uninstalling it and throwing the disc away. So far this game is without a doubt the most unrewarding, repetitive, dull, and downright frustrating gaming experience I can honestly say Ive had in a long time.

Currently every single quest I have taken is a slight variation on one of the following 2 tasks:

1)Take object A from person B and take to person C, or be tasked by person A to find object B in the woods and then take it to person C.

2)Be tasked by person A to kill generic monster, monster may or may not (most likely not) drop an object. Repeat a certain number of times. Return to person A.

The 15-20 or so quests I have so far completed can all be summed up by the above. I have no reason to suspect this will change.

This in itself would not be so bad if combat was a rewarding experience. But its not. Essentially it comes down to the following:

walk up to monster
click spell or ability
wait 10 seconds
repeat until monster drops dead (or you do when some other random monster decides to start attacking you for no apparent reason)

The prospect of repeating this 20 times in order to obtain 10 fangs/pelts/whatever is just heartbreaking.

The whole thing just seems to be an exercise in repetitive grinding. From what I have gathered it only stands to get worse. From several conversations with friends of mine I gather a large amount of the game involves simply wandering around the wilderness killing monsters for no reason other then to collect random items.

Now I'm being somwhat bloody minded and I've decided to give it a few more hours to see if the game picks up once I've gotten a few more items/abilities. But in all honesty I cant see it happening. I only really prepared to play on so when I face the barrage of shocked questions from my friends when I tell them what I think of their precious game I'll be be fully equipped to justify my position.

What is really strange is the number of people I know obsessed with this game. One of my best friends has become a recluse whom I haven't seen in a pub or any other form of social place of gathering in ages. Another feined long term sickness/depression so he could play all day whilst claiming sick pay.

Quite frankly the whole thing a complete mystery and yet sometimes I feel like I the only person the thinks that the emperor is naked.

Please say that someone else thinks the same as I do and convince me I'm not mad!

Notorius
02-03-2008, 23:41
I feel exactly the same way. 2 of my ex-flatmates played the game all the bloody time and each time I watched them all they did was exactly the same things you mentioned.

Now while normal RPGs might boil down to this at their core, at least they have a decent story behind them most of the time.

Rabid Bunny 666
02-03-2008, 23:59
Warcraft has a decent storyline, its just themonotonous grind that i don't get, played for an hour on a mates account and really didn't enjoy it.

swordwind
03-03-2008, 00:15
All WoW is is grind grind grind kill the blue monster kill the blue monster kill the blue monster grind grind grind kill the green monster kill the green monster kill the green monster kill the green monster grind grind grind kill the red monster kill the red monster and so on and so forth for weeks and weeks and weeks and is hailed as the greatest MMORPG of all time. People becoming slaves to their computer simply to get that red sparkle bracer to replace your blue sparkle bracer. Its pathetic really.

Now Star Wars Galaxies on the other hand was more of a chatroom with a game attatched and was a brilliant display of how a game can survive on its comunnity alone. Every house, manor, statue, weapon, bike, helmet and boot in the galaxy was made by a actual human player character at some point in the games history and every time you logged in something new and unexpected was going to happen. Then of course they ripped the guts out of the game and pissed of the community so much that the game is a ghost town. Roll on Emu (http://www.swgemu.com/)...

theunwantedbeing
03-03-2008, 00:16
Prettymuch all games are really dull.
It's the storyline and the levelling that keeps you interested, plus if its got killing of some sort in...that'll amuse some people too on its own.

You need to look past that and enjoy it, so...your a lost cause it seems.
Ah well, more time to do other things, like play warhammer!

Minibull
03-03-2008, 00:24
WoW has three big things going for it...

1 - The obsessive/compulsive items. Many people start playing and tolerate the grinding just to get the next pretty/powerful item that will make their character aw3s0m3! And with equipment slots out the wazoo, there's -always- another trinket or wand or shield to go questing for.

2 - The social element. People start using this game to virtually meet up with friends and meet new friends. They even have built internet chat into the game now so you can talk with your team live. It is starting to replace normal face to face meetings, as you've seen.

3 - The PvP element. This combines both of the above elements, but adds the thrill of going one on one with another live player. It can get thrilling.

The stories can be decent as you go up in levels, with the environments (past the starting areas) often being very pretty eyecandy.

polymphus
03-03-2008, 00:25
Played it at a friend's place. Sat down, thought it would be an interesting way to kill half an hour while he went down to the store, pulled myself away twelve hours later.

Since then, I've never touched it for fear of doing that again. It's not like Rome: Total War (the only other game where much the same thing has happened) where I actually enjoyed those twelve hours, but somehow I couldn't pull myself away. It was almost like, if I kept playing, it would eventually be worth it.

Also, throughout those twelve hours some guy constnaly one level lower than me kept challenging me to a duel, and I was a rogue. That was kinda fun. :evilgrin:

But overall, it just seems to grab people. From now on, I'm keeping well away.

Poly
Out

talos935
03-03-2008, 01:27
As with all potentially adictive things, they have a point that will hook you. So for some people the addictive part is leveling characters up, for others it's getting shiney 'elite' items, to others it's exploring/exploiting some fantasy world. Ultimatly everyone sees things differently.

For me, Civilization is more evil than WoW, just more people have officially died while playing WoW..........

Jon_Irenicus
03-03-2008, 01:54
I don't feel any curiosity towards WoW, either. The Warcraft universe can only do so much, especially the after way that War3 went.

Ultima Online was the biggest. Well, maybe not in size.

Dirty Fingers
03-03-2008, 02:00
yup, i don't get it either. i got a subscription for 3 months and all, popped it in, and it really just seemed like another grinder. "Kill 8 of this, kill 12 of this" etc ad nauseum. Yawn. I played it for about a week, praying it'd get better....but it just bored the hell out of me. then bioshock came out...and then i stopped playing whne i realized that pretty much every game i own on my 360 is more fun/entertaining. the "break" that i took to beat Bioshock continues to this day.

chromedog
03-03-2008, 02:11
No, you're not alone. I also don't 'get' WoW.

Or evercrack and every other mmog. Could be just the fantasy aspect, but i don't get EO either. Magic:the cash cow is the same for me.
I get ttg, I get rpg, I get rts and fps. WoW and its 'addictive' qualities just offer me nothing by vapour. I'd like to take a big bite, but all I get is a mouthful of smoke and mirrors.

I like computer games with a story (like Deus Ex or Half life (1) ). I like games where the point is merely to kill as many critters as possible. Hell, i even still like antique games like defender, which doesn't even have pretty pictures, but is damned challenging regardless.

I seem to be missing the necesary "sucker" gene - or else it has so thoroughly been beaten into submissionby my willpower that it has become irrelevant.

Mr. Shine
03-03-2008, 04:27
I love the thing. As soon as I got regular internet again here in Japan I went straight back to it on the free 10-day trial.

When I first played it, I was exactly the same - couldn't get the point of the monotonous grind, but nowadays when I play and it gets monotonous I'll just take a break and go back to it and have fun again.

Grand Warlord
03-03-2008, 04:57
As with all potentially adictive things, they have a point that will hook you. So for some people the addictive part is leveling characters up, for others it's getting shiney 'elite' items, to others it's exploring/exploiting some fantasy world. Ultimatly everyone sees things differently.

For me, Civilization is more evil than WoW, just more people have officially died while playing WoW..........

yeah civilization is just as bad as wow ... civ 4 is my current drug.

wow is still fun ... but its only until warhammer online comes out .. i hope.

ghost hunter
03-03-2008, 06:10
I agree with all the points made above Btw though i'd like to mention eve as a good mmorpg the best in my opinion :D

The Orange
03-03-2008, 07:00
Well I never got Montly pay-to-play. Does that count, or am I just a cheap SoB :p.

Jedi152
03-03-2008, 07:55
To me it's just generic fantasy claptrap. And i can't stand MMORGs. Even browser games like Urbandead and OGame **** me off after a while.

Also, i point blank refuse to pay 30+ for a game that i need a 600+ PC to play, and then have to fork out monthly. It beggars belief.

Commissar Vaughn
03-03-2008, 08:12
I had a go on my brothers account a while back..I played for an hour and then went to play lego starwars instead. He plays several hours a day, every day. And I cant think why.

I much prefer Aces High2, and Mount and Blade, combat games that are definatly not as simple as point and click!

Forbiddenknowledge
03-03-2008, 08:35
I've never been a fan, but then I dislike MMO's anyway, even more the ones that expect you to continue to fork out for them. I tried Eve, and was blown away by the graphics, but all I did for the 15 day trial was travel to asteroid, mine a bit, travel to station, sell. Repeat ad infinitum in the hope of one day getting a better ship. It bored me, so I stopped.

Don't see the big deal about WoW though, that South Park episode was the greatest thing I've seen involving it :D

IainC
03-03-2008, 08:36
If you're comparing an MMO to a single player game purely based on gameplay and story then the MMO will always come off badly. The big thing that turns MMOs from being a fairly rubbish action/adventure game into something remarkable that will suck you in and consume you utterly is the social aspect of it - in other words the 'massively multiplayer' part.

If you play a game like WoW or EvE or DAoC or EQ or whatever by yourself in the same way you'd play Bioshock then yes. you will be disappointed. The game isn't designed to be experienced like that. The game in this case is just a framework to hold together a bigger metagame. A game of diplomacy. socialising, exploring, leadership, organisation and politics. None of which has anything to do with the abilities of your character.

Gaz
03-03-2008, 08:56
I don't know why I enjoy the game, but I do. Only in small doses, mind. I usually play for a month or 2 then skip it for a few...though to be honest, I've got more game play out of it than I have out of any other game I've ever played.

I enjoy the team-working aspect of a lot of the game (Well, when I can get a decent bunch..too many whiny kids play). It's also a simple game really, you don't need to remember endless button combinations, or do certain things at certain times. It's a no-brainer really, other than needing to make sure you have decent gear, which is also a breath of fresh air after getting RSI from playing too many 360 games :D

As for the paying, I was originally against it. Then I realised for one month of WoW play, I can finish a 360 game or 2.

Now, even second hand, 2 360 games will come to more than 8.99...and since I only really play one game at a time it's actually saving me money. I love to play games when I'm bored, but a lot of games don't really have the replay value...and I for one can't be bothered playing it through 3 times just to get the hidden flags, or whatever.

Ok, so the grinding is monotonous, and the game basically consists of a)collect, b)kill c)escort or d)kill 7 collect. At the end of the day, I don't see it as being a game trying to be bigger than waht it is...MMORPGS are pretty much grind/collect gear/kill, occasionally with a few bits tacked on. But that's what makes it appealing to me I guess, it hasn't made endless promises that it fails to keep.

I'm at the other end of the scale to a lot of people, FPS's really don't interest me all that much, most of them are a similar concept to WoW...repetetive tasks over and over (ie collect guns/health/ammo, kill enemy, proceed), except they have an ending.







Plus, come on, being a giant cow is awesome and you know it.

hairyman
03-03-2008, 09:14
I played for a couple of months, just a bit shorter than I lasted on Eve. It's fun and all, but in the main I agree with the OP's comments. WoW does look gorgeous, and it's fun exploring the settings, but when I got to level 40 or 50 or so I just had a sudden realisation of what a terribly boring grind the game actually was.

Gaz
03-03-2008, 09:38
but when I got to level 40 or 50 or so I just had a sudden realisation of what a terribly boring grind the game actually was.

I have more fun playing my level 30 character than my level 68...I just don't have the motivation to get to 70 _

75hastings69
03-03-2008, 10:23
I agree wholeheartedly with your first post. I got WoW when it first came out, and quickly lost interest due to the repetative nature. I keep hearing about these new areas and stuff that have been added but to be honest I don't see the point of doing the same missions over and over but just in different locations. So you are certainly not on your own.

I just hope WH online will be better.

LuciusAR
03-03-2008, 11:02
Thanks all of you for convincing me I'm not alone in not seeing the greatness of this game.

I did go back to it and was given yet another quest to collect a number of items for a number of corpses. Anyway every time I tried to kill one I was subsequently ambushed 2/3 of another creature type. When this happen you simply have no choice but to die as if you try to back off your are simply killed.

Anyway after the 3rd time this happened I closed down the game and uninstalled it, and I'm quite happy to say I've got no desire whatsoever to give it another go I've simply got better things to do with my time.

With regards to the social aspect of the game one of my friends who has been playing for almost 2 years knows practically all his friends via Warcraft, he doesn't socialize in the traditional way and hasn't for ages. Both of his last 2 girlfriends he has met on-line.

Personally I think I'll stick to meeting people in the flesh in the pub or at the gym or via gaming. They seem like better ways to spend my time.

Jedi152
03-03-2008, 11:08
Personally I think I'll stick to meeting people in the flesh in the pub or at the gym or via gaming. They seem like better ways to spend my time.
Agreed.

This thread reminds me of when my mate got addicted to Diablo and then Diablo2.

The entire game (number 2 as well) consists of a) Go into another dungeon. b) Kill every living thing. c) Collect gold and items. d) Return to a).

Mind-numbingly tedious. I played to about level 3, and gave up.

Again and again i'd marvel at how he didn't get bored, yet he maintained it was the best game ever made. Eventually evenings round at his house consisted of everyone else sitting and chatting while he sat and played Diablo for 3-4 hours.

hairyman
03-03-2008, 11:29
The social aspect was one of the more fun bits for me. A good friend and I started up at the same time, and played through more or less together. Made it a lot more fun. Most of the people you meet of there are pillocks, though.

Gaz
03-03-2008, 12:00
With regards to the social aspect of the game one of my friends who has been playing for almost 2 years knows practically all his friends via Warcraft, he doesn't socialize in the traditional way and hasn't for ages. Both of his last 2 girlfriends he has met on-line.

Personally I think I'll stick to meeting people in the flesh in the pub or at the gym or via gaming. They seem like better ways to spend my time.

I play WoW, but I still do the good old pub-visits etc. I play WoW in my spare time, I don't let my life revolve around it. Some people get into it waaaaaay too seriously, which TBH is taking it way too far.

"I'm sorry I can't come to the pub, I've got a raid in half an hour"..

...'nuff said, really.

RavenMorpheus
03-03-2008, 12:10
Amongst my friends I have been something of an enigma for I am pretty much the only person know who does not play WoW. No apparent reason really, RPG's have never really done it for me and Ive always been an RTS and FPS man. It simply never occurred to me to play it.


edited due to length

Please say that someone else thinks the same as I do and convince me I'm not mad!

I don't get it either, but what I really don't get is why the hell they pay for it?!! I say go out and get a life in the real world, not in WoW world...

Oblivion is long enough and tedious enough so god knows what I'd find WoW to be like...


Most of the people you meet of there are pillocks.

That a technical term? :D

samael
03-03-2008, 12:17
I play wow and after 2 years I still quite like it.

I use it as a stress relief next to painting miniatures.

Yes it's a grindfest and the amount of "earless" wolves, "brainless" crockodiles, and "headless" humans is annoying, but going into a battleground with some of my mates makes up for it. (for me)


Concerning this:

"I'm sorry I can't come to the pub, I've got a raid in half an hour"..

Me and my mates are the other side of the coin, we know eachother from the pub and there is nothing quite so funny as telling people you're quitting because it's pubtime.

Some get genuinely upset and just can't grasp the idea of leaving the house to meet your friends in real life, when you could game and talk through teamspeak.

Kaze
03-03-2008, 12:32
It's a game of love or hate basically. If the quests are repetitive and tedious.... well, they are. But if I think much about it, I find myself doing the same stuff on MY FAVOURITE game. race 2 laps in Laguna Seca with your VW Beetle. A few weeks later: Race 20 laps through Laguna Seca with your Toyota Supra. One month later: race 2 hours in Laguna Seca with the Mazda 787B. Hell, I've done the 24 hours of Le Mans in GT4, and 300 laps later, I didn't find it repetitive. In WoW, I am leveling my 3rd character now, and still have fun in it (also due to different play styles between the classes I chose).

WoW is great if you play it on spare times, just as any other game. The social aspect (keep a friends list / guild os about 5 people to be able to do some dungeons) is very good. As someone pointed, the stress relief part is my favourite at the moment: sometimes I don't feel like switching my PS3 on to play something. I just log on to WoW, do a couple of battlegrounds (one of the PvP parts) and it's rewarding.

Then there's the raid part: if you are a bit more hardcore, there are some challenges for you. Honestly, been there, never gonna go back there :p Raiding, IMO, makes people greedy and the fun starts fading away. In order to progress you need resistance gear, potions to help you and a ton of other consumables. It basically sucks up your time by doing that.

Never forget that in order to play WoW just to enjoy yourself, you don't need to be there 24/7. Also never forget that those Night Elves / Orcs / whatever that you see running around with you are real people behind some keyboards ;)

Meriwether
03-03-2008, 15:13
I didn't read the thread beyond the OP, but I figured I'd throw my $0.02 in:

I personally find WoW tremendously boring, as EverQuest was before it. I can't possibly imagine what the appeal of these games are. (I certainly don't care that lots of other people find them fun... Heck, lot's of people like baseball, and I can't figure out it's appeal, either.)

Meri

Lord_Squinty
03-03-2008, 15:33
I personally object to paying a monthly fee to play any game.
So I've never tried it, I have tried Guild Wars, and I *think* its pretty much identical idea.
Run about on pointless repetetive quests until you can afford to buy a better weapon, while avoiding all the prats who are just standing about the world getting naked or some other nonsense.
Not for me, gimme BF2 anyday :D

Gaz
03-03-2008, 18:31
Me and my mates are the other side of the coin, we know eachother from the pub and there is nothing quite so funny as telling people you're quitting because it's pubtime.

Some get genuinely upset and just can't grasp the idea of leaving the house to meet your friends in real life, when you could game and talk through teamspeak.

Aye, I love the whole "I'm sorry, I can't raid I have a life" thing, and it is suprising how many people will bitch and moan when you have "Real" commitments to stick to.

"Aww stay and raid"
"I can't, I have to go to work"
"What? Don't bother".

(yes, something similar to that has happened to me _




Then there's the raid part: if you are a bit more hardcore, there are some challenges for you. Honestly, been there, never gonna go back there :p Raiding, IMO, makes people greedy and the fun starts fading away. In order to progress you need resistance gear, potions to help you and a ton of other consumables. It basically sucks up your time by doing that.


I haven't been raiding in...well, I can't remember. I think I did it once, and I got fed up of peoples attitude. Ok, so I made a mistake...hurling abuse at me really isn't going to fix that is it, you little snot lol

intellectawe
03-03-2008, 18:43
.....

None of you 'get' WoW.... But when WaR comes out.... You'll all 'understand' WoW... Mark my words :)

Ethlorien
03-03-2008, 20:18
I gotta say I like the game. Couple evenings a week, my wife works and my kids are in bed by 8. Can't go out anywhere (kids and all) and so I've got a few hours to burn. I'm either gonna paint miniatures, watch tv, play a video game, play Wow, etc... In the end, I'm just doing something for me to pass the time away, so it might as well be adventuring across Azeroth hacking and slashing as I go.

As for price... at 15 bucks a month, big deal. It's a small price to pay for entertainment. Hell, that's cheaper then going to see a movie or me and the wife grabbing a bite a McDonalds.

Course, I've only been playing for about two months, so we'll see how long I keep my interest in WoW.

Morathi's Darkest Sin
03-03-2008, 21:32
Been playing since Dec 06, and yeah theres a grind to it, but then how is Diablo, Oblivion, Final Fantasy or any other console/pc rpg any different.

The main things I like with wow, the adventure of seeing things new, even after a year theres still loads to see, and new content is added all the time.

The social aspect, I've run a guild, now I'm in a guild, and even just interacting with strangers keeps you aware that your not alone, Oblivion was a great game, but it just felt empty when I compare it to WoW.

PvP is a laugh even on PvE relams, BG's are different every time, tbh you really need to get to 40 to experience Alterac Valley before you can even fairly rate the pvp in my opinion, Its a great laugh.

I have the odd weeks when I don't play, I don't play endlessly, but I do enjoy the game, and if you aren't enjoying this game by lvl 10, then you're probably right, it isn't for you. Of course there are plenty of us who do enjoy it, and I think this number will only grow as new MMO's arrive.



Oh and intellectawe, truer words probably haven't been spoken.. hehe

I for one will be heading for WaR once its released and I do get WoW, as I'll finally get the chance to RP a Witch Elf online. ;)

Mazdug
03-03-2008, 21:36
I don't play anymore, and I'm not going to comment on the adictive nature or the grinding, cause its all been said. But I will say this to all the people who don't get the monthly price. If you break down the cost of a 2k pt fantasy army, you will wind up spending enough money to play WoW for something like 3 years. And thats just one army, most players I know have several armies, many of them well over 2k, so its really not that expensive when you consider it.

Deamon-forge
03-03-2008, 21:45
i used to play 24/7 but i could never get my LVL up, no mater how hard i tryed. i havnt played in ages, and i was playing for around 1yr and a half. i got to lvl 51 and gave up........i hated grindng the same bloody animal for hours,

Colonel Kevlar
04-03-2008, 04:03
I also really hate WoW. And basically every other MMORPG. Paying monthly to do the same thing over again? I got Oblivion for $5, and I'm still playing a year later! Thats the only RPG I play (plus Morrowwind at my friends house, but I don't have it), and everything else is FPS, TPS, or medieval third person stabby (Assassin's Creed). A couple of my friends play WoW, and I swear they've never said anything not about WoW or something about close relationsships (trying to keep away from... non-family words). Plus, most everyone else I know that plays WoW are people who would rather call you a g** ********* than even say hi. <<Shudder>>. I like to think my friends are more mature than that, that makes you sound so supid. My best friend is writing a giant paper on how much WoW sucks, and I have to agree with them wholeheartedly.

Not that I'm biased or anything :angel::angel:

Drogmir
04-03-2008, 05:33
I never really got the big deal either. And it wasn't the grind.

I played CoH to max level now that's a grind!

Wow I got to 35-36 and I just didn't get why this was supposedly so much fun.

Odin
04-03-2008, 12:44
I'd love to see a game like WoW or preferably WAR that allows you to actually control your character like in an action game, but still do the RPG elements. I don't like the way your character's abilities are dictated pretty much entirely by their in-game skills and items, and not by the skill and dexterity of the player.

Basically I want a massively multiplayer online action-RPG. Controls like Assassin's Creed or God of War, but online multiplayer RPG. Does anything like this exist?

IainC
04-03-2008, 13:29
I'd love to see a game like WoW or preferably WAR that allows you to actually control your character like in an action game, but still do the RPG elements. I don't like the way your character's abilities are dictated pretty much entirely by their in-game skills and items, and not by the skill and dexterity of the player.

Basically I want a massively multiplayer online action-RPG. Controls like Assassin's Creed or God of War, but online multiplayer RPG. Does anything like this exist?

Not really although some things are close. Planetside is basically an MMOFPS but there are a lot of problems.

Mostly the problems are technical and are related to the issue of latency. Two people with different pings to the server fighting each other will make that system fall on its face. It sort of works in small scale games like Counterstrike and Team Fortress with a limited number of people per server but it doesn't scale up to MMO levels at all.

talos935
04-03-2008, 13:32
I'd love to see a game like WoW or preferably WAR that allows you to actually control your character like in an action game, but still do the RPG elements. I don't like the way your character's abilities are dictated pretty much entirely by their in-game skills and items, and not by the skill and dexterity of the player.

Basically I want a massively multiplayer online action-RPG. Controls like Assassin's Creed or God of War, but online multiplayer RPG. Does anything like this exist?

The concept for that is good, but you would be prone to lag more than stuff like WoW.

Personally I find the 'social' side of mmos to be quite annoying. For me it's all "Gack, you &!?%#ing n00b! What the #%&!*&@ did you do that for?" bollocking you for ruining their farm run since they expeect you to be psychic :( or it's green gamers amazed at the sight of a max level player.

The most fun I've had in multiplayer games has normally been with my real friends, often playing from a lan setup so no need for game chat or teamspeak :D

Ethlorien
04-03-2008, 13:33
[QUOTE=Odin;2409260]I'd love to see a game like WoW or preferably WAR that allows you to actually control your character like in an action game, but still do the RPG elements. I don't like the way your character's abilities are dictated pretty much entirely by their in-game skills and items, and not by the skill and dexterity of the player.QUOTE]

I've heard that the upcoming MMORPG Age of Conan, will be more like that, that fighting is dictated also by where you strike and how you strike, rather then just right-click and sit back.

Gotta say to Colonal Kevlar though, that I would think playing a computer game is far less a waste of time then writing a massive paper on why I don't play it (you were speaking of maturity right?) I am all for people loving the game or hating it, but . . . wow . . . a giant paper on disliking WoW. I just don't have the time.

But, to be fair, I also am biased. I'm not been playing the game that long, month and a half, like I said earlier, and the people I've met on the game thus far are generally quite nice and friendly. Oh, you get those folks that are thirty levels higher then you who just walk up and kill you, yet also I've found myself fighting alongside the 'enemy' faction, just because our quests have led us to the same area.

The fighting can get a little tedious, yes. But then, what game with violence doesn't? Some of my favourtie games are the God of War series. $60 apiece for 10-12 hours of gameplay where you kill, kill, and kill some more. I love, yes, but there ain't much to it.

Anyway . . . let me see just how long my enjoyment holds up for. Might be back in a month ranting about the pointless grinding myself.

TheBigBadWolf
04-03-2008, 13:44
i dont get it either for these reasons mainly

1: - i dont know why you would want to pay to play a game where you do the same thing again and again.

2: - everyone i know that plays it is over 30 and did not play games in the golden early 90's age, so they obviosly think they are cool playing it, when they are clearly going through a midlife crisis, go and play a real ********** game for gods sake, (goes for the same crowd that are buying Wii's as its seen as cool (totally different thread though))

3: - i do not want to be in a clan or speak netspeak.

4: - Why would i want to socialise online when i could get a few friends round and play a mutiplayer the real way. Loads of drink, crisps etc (well the food isnt too important but the drink is:))

Gaz
04-03-2008, 14:22
i dont get it either for these reasons mainly

1: - i dont know why you would want to pay to play a game where you do the same thing again and again.

I find myself repeating tasks in pretty much all the games I play, you'll never get a game where every single task in the game is different. Though admitedley WoW is based around a) kill or b) collect which is tedious as hell.



2: - everyone i know that plays it is over 30 and did not play games in the golden early 90's age, so they obviosly think they are cool playing it, when they are clearly going through a midlife crisis, go and play a real ********** game for gods sake, (goes for the same crowd that are buying Wii's as its seen as cool (totally different thread though))

How is it "obvious" that people think they're cool for playing WoW? The only people I know who play it have actually played games before, I don't find WoW to be on the same scale as a Wii really. You can pick up a Wii control(and one of its many useless gimmicks) and play for 10 minutes...ok, so you can do that with WoW but the game is more for longer play, you need to put time into your character to be able to hit level 70 and actually do anything.



3: - i do not want to be in a clan or speak netspeak.

Neither do I...so I'm not in a guild, nor do I use netspeak



4: - Why would i want to socialise online when i could get a few friends round and play a mutiplayer the real way. Loads of drink, crisps etc (well the food isnt too important but the drink is:))

It would seem that everyone assumes that people who play WoW don't have a life outside of the game...ok, granted, there are people who take it more seriously than they should. I've known the people I play WoW with since before I started playing, we still go to the pub or break the beers out...our life sure as hell doesn't revolve around the game.

It is (edit:well, can be :P) a laugh to be able to get in a raid with another 19 people though, it's a totally different scale to what you can do at home...I don't remember the last time I had 20 people around playing Mortal Kombat or whatever :D

Though I do agree that drinks are always important :D

On another note, what is a forum? It's an online means of socialising really..why come to a message board when you can go to a hobby store and discuss Warhammer? Or why go to general discussion when you can talk about things in the pub with someone? People use them because you can discuss your interests with people into the same things as you anywhere, and the socialising aspect means you can game with people who also enjoy the game....well, if you can find anyone who isn't a complete twit anyway :D



Still, each to their own and all that. You're never going to get a game that's going to please everyone...and if one is ever made, the world will explode.

TheBigBadWolf
04-03-2008, 15:00
I find myself repeating tasks in pretty much all the games I play, you'll never get a game where every single task in the game is different. Though admitedley WoW is based around a) kill or b) collect which is tedious as hell.

Yeh but paying monthly for the privilege :wtf:


How is it "obvious" that people think they're cool for playing WoW? The only people I know who play it have actually played games before, I don't find WoW to be on the same scale as a Wii really. You can pick up a Wii control(and one of its many useless gimmicks) and play for 10 minutes...ok, so you can do that with WoW but the game is more for longer play, you need to put time into your character to be able to hit level 70 and actually do anything.

Its because they only play WoW and have never heard of any other game bar WoW and think everybody plays it.


On another note, what is a forum? It's an online means of socialising really..why come to a message board when you can go to a hobby store and discuss Warhammer? Or why go to general discussion when you can talk about things in the pub with someone? People use them because you can discuss your interests with people into the same things as you anywhere, and the socialising aspect means you can game with people who also enjoy the game....well, if you can find anyone who isn't a complete twit anyway :D.

Posting on a discusion forum is different to socialising on WoW. You have to meet and speak to people in person to play 40k, WH etc. You can speak about the game, tactics or stuff your gaming group cant answer, on a forum, but you have to meet up to play it in person. Its a whole different kettle of fish, i just prefer to play someone in person, talking on a forum is good but not as good as talking in person

Gaz
04-03-2008, 15:17
Yeh but paying monthly for the privilege :wtf:

Well, I can't speak for other people, but I find it saves me a few bob at times. I can get a month of WoW (8.99) and that'll keep me occupied for a month. I can buy a new 360 game, that will keep me occupied for...well, lets say an average of 2 - 4 weeks depending. Even buying 1 second hand 360 game will put me back a bit more than WoW will...and don't even talk to me ab out new releases lol :D

Then again, I find that I can only really play for a month then take a hiatus for a few months...the game does get stale rather easily, which I suppose is a curse and a blessing at the same time.

Still, the concept of paying to play a game I've already paid for does annoy me...but at least being a paying customer I can gripe when something goes wrong. As opposed to "You aren't paying to use our servers so naff off", if you see where I'm coming from. (Lets not even get into a consumer rights discussion...pleeeease lol)



Its because they only play WoW and have never heard of any other game bar WoW and think everybody plays it.

There's going to be people like that, but you can't make that assumption for everyone who plays WoW. I own consoles aswell as play WoW, and I've played games for...well, as long as I can remember I guess.


Posting on a discusion forum is different to socialising on WoW. You have to meet and speak to people in person to play 40k, WH etc. You can speak about the game, tactics or stuff your gaming group cant answer, on a forum, but you have to meet up to play it in person. Its a whole different kettle of fish, i just prefer to play someone in person, talking on a forum is good but not as good as talking in person

I too prefer socialising in person, and I don't believe that internet/games/mind reading will ever replace that. You're right about having to meet in person to play 40k, but you can still discuss a lot of the hobby on...I dunno, lets use Warseer as an example :p lol. I haven't played for a while, as the people I game with have moved away, so it's mostly modelling for me...the sheer amount of inspiration I've got from this site is amazing, something that I don't believe I'd of had if I wasn't a member of this board.

You can still get tactics, painting tips and whatnot from anyone on the board, no matter where they are. Sure, it'll never replace sitting around with a couple of bevvies and chatting with mates, but I believe that it can open up more possibilities.

Still, we can discuss this until the cows come home with no avail...same with most things, I suppose. At the end of the day, it'll all boil down to personal preference.

However, the main thing I think a lot of players can't grasp is moderation...I find that if I have a sub for more than a month I'm wasting money. I'll play until the end of march, and then I probably won't touch the game until the new expansion comes out in may.

Kaze
04-03-2008, 15:29
Yeh but paying monthly for the privilege :wtf:


A privilege is paying 60 euros for Zone of the Enders 1 which is finished in 2 hours. A privilege is paying 60 euros for Zone of the Enders 2 or Metal Gear Solid 3 which are beatable in 1 hour and 10 minutes. A privilege is paying 70 euros for Heavenly Sword which has 3 hours of gameplay. And God knows I love all those games.

If there is one point in which NO ONE can say anything bad about WoW is what you get for what you pay. Despite its "lack of ending"-side, you seriously have a huge world with a lot of things to do. If you compare what you get from WoW by spending 60 euros on it (game included) it largely surpasses even the likes of Final Fantasy.

WoW has many flaws, but value for money isn't surely one of them ;)

yaspro
04-03-2008, 15:40
WoW rules, lol.

Gaz
04-03-2008, 15:50
A privilege is paying 60 euros for Zone of the Enders 1 which is finished in 2 hours. A privilege is paying 60 euros for Zone of the Enders 2 or Metal Gear Solid 3 which are beatable in 1 hour and 10 minutes. A privilege is paying 70 euros for Heavenly Sword which has 3 hours of gameplay. And God knows I love all those games.

If there is one point in which NO ONE can say anything bad about WoW is what you get for what you pay. Despite its "lack of ending"-side, you seriously have a huge world with a lot of things to do. If you compare what you get from WoW by spending 60 euros on it (game included) it largely surpasses even the likes of Final Fantasy.

WoW has many flaws, but value for money isn't surely one of them ;)

Glad I'm not the only one who thinks this way.
Just checked my main, and since I got the game in '04 I've clocked 32 days on it...bit more than I'd thought lol. That's not including other characters I've had...no other game has even been anywhere near that amount of game time lol


I think Blizzard are doing something right then lol

[edi] admitedley a lot of that game time has been me wandering off mid-game for food or a real life and forgetting to turn it off lol

TheBigBadWolf
04-03-2008, 15:58
A privilege is paying 60 euros for Zone of the Enders 1 which is finished in 2 hours. A privilege is paying 60 euros for Zone of the Enders 2 or Metal Gear Solid 3 which are beatable in 1 hour and 10 minutes. A privilege is paying 70 euros for Heavenly Sword which has 3 hours of gameplay.

Thats why you dont buy kak games like that ;), but at least you dont need to pay to play them as well as buying them

Lord_Squinty
04-03-2008, 16:39
2: - (goes for the same crowd that are buying Wii's as its seen as cool (totally different thread though))

4: - (well the food isnt too important but the drink is:))

You contradict yourself - the wii and drink goes together like, well, us Scotsmen and drink :D

TheBigBadWolf
04-03-2008, 19:00
You contradict yourself - the wii and drink goes together like, well, us Scotsmen and drink :D

I have to agree with you there :D

The pestilent 1
04-03-2008, 20:34
.....

None of you 'get' WoW.... But when WaR comes out.... You'll all 'understand' WoW... Mark my words :)

I refuse to pay monthly fees for a game, and WaR isn't going to be the one that does make me.

IainC
04-03-2008, 23:14
I refuse to pay monthly fees for a game, and WaR isn't going to be the one that does make me.

Why?

I mean it just seems like a very blanket statement. What would make you consider paying a monthly fee for a game?

Mostly what you get for your monthly fee is:

High quality, stable servers
Regularly added, free content
24/7 customer service
Continual development of the game to keep improving and updating it


None of that is going to come for free and mostly the actual game itself (especially for older titles) is free to download.

The pestilent 1
05-03-2008, 00:02
Generally speaking I don't particularly enjoy "social" gaming online.
Yes, I'll play COD4, but generally speaking everyone is too busy shooting one another to shout abuse / chat on the Mic, and what stuff does get said tends to be brief.

As I say, a traditional MMORPG isn't going to make me make that leap - I, generally speaking, have no interest in them.
Now, something else might do it - I was tempted by EVE for example- so if we had a, let's say, space ship sim set in the 40K Universe or Star Trek Universe.

The battle of Deep Space, against 1254 Human players, each commanding a Dominion vessel? 600 other Humans ride boldly into the mouths of the vast fleet, and later yet more turn up commanding Klingon vessels.
That inspires me far more than "A Priest, a Fighter and a mage walk into a bar".
WOW simply doesn't have the kind of... group effort, that it takes me to be interested, I want to see a hundred fighters scale the walls of citadel, while enemy mages lob fireballs into the priest support units.

Technology simply cannot handle the kinds of battles it would take for me to be interested -for now, atleast- and until then I must suffice with doing these things against AI units, often in RTS' infact.

It's not an inherent hate of MMORPG's, it's simply that they cannot do the kind of feats that it would take for me to pay a premium like that.

Hicks
05-03-2008, 00:37
I never really got interrested in that game but a couple friends play it religiously. Personnally I find it too cartoony and ugly and from what I understand you don't need any skills to be good, just an ungodly amount of patience.

In pretty much every videogame I always choose to play as a big guy if possible. Knowing this my friends told me they needed a "tank" in their party. They offered me some free trial, so I said what the heck and started gleaning info on the game.

Turns out the website really sucks, so I went to my buddies to ask a few questions. I wanted to play as a minotaur warrior... but if I did that I couldn't play with them apparently (because they had purple elves). But that's not all, they said I would have to reach level 20 before I could start following them around. Let's say I didn't fancy the idea of playing that game after all of this.

IainC
05-03-2008, 11:11
WOW simply doesn't have the kind of... group effort, that it takes me to be interested, I want to see a hundred fighters scale the walls of citadel, while enemy mages lob fireballs into the priest support units.

WoW may not but other games offer that kind of thing. I've been a part of Relic Raids in DAoC where several hundred of my allies co-ordinated against a hasty defence of a couple of hundred enemies.

WAR will also have 'epic' level PvP in the form of the city sacking campaigns.

TheBigBadWolf
05-03-2008, 14:36
Why?

I mean it just seems like a very blanket statement. What would make you consider paying a monthly fee for a game?

Mostly what you get for your monthly fee is:

High quality, stable servers
Regularly added, free content
24/7 customer service
Continual development of the game to keep improving and updating it


None of that is going to come for free and mostly the actual game itself (especially for older titles) is free to download.

Ehh where do get that the added content is free, what do you think you are paying for:rolleyes:

IainC
05-03-2008, 18:20
Ehh where do get that the added content is free, what do you think you are paying for:rolleyes:

What I mean by added free content is stuff that doesn't come as a boxed expansion you need to pay extra for. Some MMOs offer those as well but early all add in stuff that everyone gets without having to pay extra for it.

Colonel Kevlar
05-03-2008, 23:48
Ethlorien - They're addapted for writing (if humans can adapt to do mental things), I've seen them churn out 20 page papers in a couple hours. Also, I never said that theywere mature, only that most others were. I may have seemed a little harsh, but my view is perfectly in line w/ Stella.

Stella - Internet high-five! I perfectly agree with what you said, despite maybe not wanting them to die (I'm a pacifist, that's why there's WFB and video games). Other wise, yes, I concur.

swordwind
06-03-2008, 01:18
I'm not a fan of anything to do with WOW, especially the players, I ******* HATE THEM, they always come up to me and start an innocent conversation, then they ask if I have WOW, I say "NO" but they insist on telling you about there level 80 Dwarf stripper, with a level 50 g-string of revealing, and magic pole of greasy sliding, and how they defeated Grabcrotch the pervie with there nose pickings

I DON'T CARE, SHUT UP, GO OVER THERE INTO THE CORNER AND FRIKKIN DIE OK, YOU WORTHLESS PIECE OF TRASH


Methinks he doth protest too much.

The Orange
06-03-2008, 06:27
If you break down the cost of a 2k pt fantasy army, you will wind up spending enough money to play WoW for something like 3 years.
10 years from now I'll probably still have that army that I can always take out and play with, repaint, pass down, etc. I can also always re-sell that army on ebay, etc. to make some money back. Money spent on Wow is gone forever, and once you stop paying you've probably lost everything. It's also nice knowing that my army won't disappear just because some ditz at the company hit the wrong button, or they decided to change the game system from the ground up. Paying for Wow only buys you an experience, and that's cool if you feel it's worth it (i get most of my online socializing free from warseer :p), but I'd never compare that to something material, something that you can actually hold on to forever.

Gaz
06-03-2008, 10:34
10 years from now I'll probably still have that army that I can always take out and play with, repaint, pass down, etc. I can also always re-sell that army on ebay, etc. to make some money back. Money spent on Wow is gone forever, and once you stop paying you've probably lost everything. It's also nice knowing that my army won't disappear just because some ditz at the company hit the wrong button, or they decided to change the game system from the ground up. Paying for Wow only buys you an experience, and that's cool if you feel it's worth it (i get most of my online socializing free from warseer :p), but I'd never compare that to something material, something that you can actually hold on to forever.

Unless of course there's an invasion of plastic eating monsters :D

Kaze
06-03-2008, 10:48
10 years from now I'll probably still have that army that I can always take out and play with, repaint, pass down, etc. I can also always re-sell that army on ebay, etc. to make some money back. Money spent on Wow is gone forever, and once you stop paying you've probably lost everything. It's also nice knowing that my army won't disappear just because some ditz at the company hit the wrong button, or they decided to change the game system from the ground up. Paying for Wow only buys you an experience, and that's cool if you feel it's worth it (i get most of my online socializing free from warseer :p), but I'd never compare that to something material, something that you can actually hold on to forever.

Partially true. 10 years later, probably new rules have came out and some models have become obsolet or new models have arrived which will make you spend some more money on it.

Money spent on WoW is gone forever... depends on how you see it. It happens to me with every other videogame, it happened with Magic: The Gathering and it happens with WFB or FoW. In fact, just as an example to you: one of the best equipped Rogue characters in WoW was sold a few weeks after the owner's guild beat Illidan (until the current moment the hardest boss in the game). He sold it for 10 000 dollars.

0ld1eye
06-03-2008, 12:18
WoW is horrendously dull if you play it on your own. As stated, it consists of tedious grinds and killing generic monsters.
However, it gets a little more interesting once you get into a group, which thankfully never takes too long. Unless you're with a total *****, its usually fun, and can occassionally be a great laugh. The trick is finding groups that don't consist of 10-year olds who want to 'b a hero n save teh world'.
PvP is also great fun, and here the 10-year olds serve a purpose as it is generally quite easy to whup their ass.
Instances, however, are the golden gem of WoW. They all have great backgrounds, epic atmospheres and, of course, boss fights, which make the entire thing worthwhile simply because they're so intense.

I have to say, though, PvP is what keeps me hooked. That, and the occassional raid. There's something about mass online warfare that is highly appealing.

t-tauri
06-03-2008, 17:21
A quantity of trolling and offensive posts and responses to those posts removed. Please keep it civil.

redbaron998
06-03-2008, 22:23
Ok guys lets be honest. Anyone who says WoW is absoulte trash need a reality check. It was a good game. Whether you thought it was great or medicoure is your opinion. I for one played it for about 6 months, got tired of it and then cancelled. But I had fun with it for awhile.

But that being said it wont be around for to much longer (another couple of years tops) cause lets face it, its getting old (what is it 5 years now?) and gaming has come along way. Also the lack of true PvP is a big thing, and thier forzen crown band aid aint gonna cut it.

So far now if you want awesome PvE then go with LOTR, IIf you want true RvR then Warhammer Online is gonna be the king of that, and Age of Conan is somewhere in between (more PvE i hear but great graphics supposidly)

If you absolutely didnt like WoW, then maybe your just not a MMO person, if you like other MMOs but not WoW, then thats ok to. WoW still has its place in history now as teh MMO that opened the market way open. But it has mainly run its course. I mean how many more characters can you run and max out doing the same thing till you get bored? Newer games are fixing this more and more like Warhammer Online having each of its classes as being completely different (Ex. a Dark Elf Black Guard (Tank) will be completely different from a Chaos Chosen (tank) whitch will be very different from a Black Orc (tank) and those are just the tanks of the Destruction side)

0ld1eye
07-03-2008, 08:30
I agree with most of that apart from the whole 'it'll be over in a coupla years' thing. Granted, the graphics will be far outdated by then, but starcraft (which is far older than WoW) still has a massive cult following. The only thing that'll kill WoW is blizzard deciding they've had enough, but they're not going to dump their cash cow that easily.

Nkari
07-03-2008, 09:34
I started with EverQuest when it was released, had played some ultima online before that, I quickly became bored with the TIME it took to lvl, I absolutley had a blast PvPing..

Then I got into SWG for a month or two, I had a friend allready playing so I got all twinked out, set up my 3rd party program to lvl my skills I wanted and in less than a weak I had maxed out my stuff etc, just need to get the darn armours etc.. oh wait.. inflation throu the ROOF, in less than a year inflation had grown atleast 1000%, then they redid the combat system from scratch.. safe to say I left with a bitter taste in my mouth.. The game could have been great if they had put some more thought into it, but when your dealing with Sony Entertainment dont get your hopes up..

Then came WoW, I played WoW beta to lvl 24, I had a BLAST playing with my friends back then, when WoW came out, I was unemployed, and a friend of mine took out a 2 week vacation, I brought my computer to his place and we played for 12-16h a day for 2 weeks, and never for one second I was bored, not once. WoW was the first MMO that felt POLISHED, felt like it was more or less done, no major issues back then (was still a noob ;) ), played some more after that, got to 60, still having a blast, then they added Molten Core (Raid instacne, 40 ppl working togeather to kill bosses and trash mobs) then it became a second WORK, since to progress in the raiding you needed to play 3-4 days a week, grinding tons of gear to survive etc, many ppl found that very enjoyable.. I am a PvPer at heart, so when they started to add Battlegrounds I was happy, and when they added Alterac Valley (a 40vs40 instance, with lots of PvE quests that helps your side push the other side back, summoning big ass ice lords, sending out the cavalry and the air cavalry, sending out infantry etc.. ) At the begining the AV could last between 4-72 hours.. I LOVED it, stayed for hours at an end pushing the alliance back towards their keep, and more often than not, there was a huge stelmate there, was so nice to be able to finally push them back and kill their leader after so many hours of intence fighting.

But that grew boring after a while.. so I quit playing for some 6 months.. then The Burning Crusade (TBC henceforth)came out, the mate wich I played with first had allso quit WoW, but when TBC came we started fresh on a new server and we decided we where going to test out all the old raids since with TBC, you could 5-10 man many of the 40 man Raids pre TBC (WoW works like this.. if your 7 lvls over the mobs your fighting, they dont hurt you much unless you get 5-10, heck certain classes can have 25 mobs beating on them and they are 100% safe)so Pre TBC raiding it is, problem is that we need to find some more ppl to do this with, etc, but then they added arena.. arena is fun, its small scale gladiotorial battles 2vs2. 3vs3 and 5vs5 they are alot of fun, eventually I grew bored with my priest I was playing tho, and since the server lacks Tanks (guys that take hits and holds the mobs on himself so they do not run after the healers and kill them etc) I decided to lvl up a warrior.. I did, in less than 10 days this time, having a blast lvling cause friend of mine started over to, and we quested togeather, laughing when ppl 10 lvls above you tried to gank you (ganking = killing ppl that have virtually no chance of winning 1 on 1, heck even 2 on 1) and we killed them, oooh the laughs we had.

So atm I am gearing up my warrior atm and are having quite some fun since we made alot of new friends, and doing instances and PvP'ing (Player vs Player combat), and soon they will release a new instance, and by summer they will release a new expansion, Wrath of the Litch King, and I am actually looking forward to what blizzard has come up with, I am deffinitly not expecting anything revolutionary, but it will probably be fun enough..

Oh, and another thing, all MMO's ive played before have had inflation sky rocket, in wow, the inflation is not even registered imho, even with the huge influx of money you get today thanks to daily repeatable quests.. prices have not increased at all wich is a GOOOD thing in a mmo..

Age of Conan (another MMO that is soon to be released) has ALOT of PvP ideas I like, with sieges, building your own guild towns etc, unfortunatly my puter will not run AoC to a satisfactory lvl so I will have to wait a while before I begin that game and leave WoW (because WoW PvP is severly lacking, but it is still entertaining to a degree) Warhammer online, is just WoW in a warhammer setting imho, you cant really change the world, because Status Quoe will reign supreame aftera while (when they reset the whole thing when you capture your enemy factions capital and hold it for a certain amount of time) otherwise its a neat idea, they did a good job with their other MMO, wich have slipped from my mind atm, good realm vs realm pvp I hear they had..


All in all, I understand why ppl think its boring the first lvls, (first lvls = 30+ lvls) but you have to play with friends and it gets ALOT more fun, and nowdays it does not take AGES to lvl your chars to 60.. hmm

Wall of text I think, but just had to put down my incoherent ramblings about WoW.. :P

Jaq Draco
07-03-2008, 11:27
WoW is like crack, and i love it

omera
08-03-2008, 20:00
Honestly, warcraft is a sad excuse for a warhammer fantasy clone. To my knowledge, before warcrap came into existence, blizzard wanted to make a game with GW. GW said no, so they made warcrap. Blizzard should be sued for every penny they made off of WoW because they are unoriginal bastards. Also, for all who are about to say 'warhammer is a tolkien ripoff'... Before you click the post button, learn the difference between inspiration and ripoff.

Fenriz
08-03-2008, 20:37
I had a go on Warcraft for a while on my ex girlfriends account. Have to admit i wasnt overly impressed, but im not much of a RPG gamer anyway. Especially not MMORPG. I guess it would be more fun as part of a party (Like COD4 is more fun with a party of people you know). I got pretty bored on my own, also one of the reasons i detest Oblivion and Morrowind. Its just not for me, though i can understand why others like it.

As for the price, i wont knock it, most PC subscription based games are quite expensive considering its for one game. But i also pay monthly for Xbox Live. So i cant say i wouldnt pay for the privaledge of playing online, but what i will say is i get better value for money as i can play ANY of my multiplayer games for 4.99 a month.

Iv put in nearly 4 days on COD4, and must have about 2 days each on Halo3 and Rainbow Six Vegas respectively. I get my moneys worth.

heretics bane
09-03-2008, 17:57
Lord of the rings online was good because you got to travel around the various places from the books, take cool screenshots and have rather enjoyable quests.

But WOW is rediculously overpriced,really reptitive and simplie mind numbingly boring and all just to get your level up.


Honestly, warcraft is a sad excuse for a warhammer fantasy clone. To my knowledge, before warcrap came into existence, blizzard wanted to make a game with GW. GW said no, so they made warcrap. Blizzard should be sued for every penny they made off of WoW because they are unoriginal bastards. Also, for all who are about to say 'warhammer is a tolkien ripoff'... Before you click the post button, learn the difference between inspiration and ripoff.


Yeah........okay most of the warhammer world was based on tolkiens world which isnt to bad but when the start adding in random races *cough*hobbits*cough* and then start incorporating random traits such as the dwarfs dying out but their still being enough of them to openly wage war, elves that live on a magical island do's start to cross the line with inspiration to ripoff. But thats just my own opion and as you asked i do know the difference

dr.oetk3r
09-03-2008, 18:05
I started with EverQuest when it was released, had played some ultima online before that, I quickly became bored with the TIME it took to lvl, I absolutley had a blast PvPing..

(too large a quote to quote)

Wall of text I think, but just had to put down my incoherent ramblings about WoW.. :P

You play seriously waaay too much. Why were you unemployed again? :p

Icarus
09-03-2008, 18:41
WoW is like crack, and i love it
Me too definately! I'm more of a casual player than a hardcore raider, but it is tremendous fun!

I can see why some people don't like it, it can be a little hard to get thri the first 15-20 levels or so when it starts becoming more than button mashing, and after that theres still a degree of repetition. For these reasons I have taken breaks from playing, as many people do. But I always come back because its a really enjoyable game with a great social aspect. The endgame in particular is great fun at the moment!


I agree with most of that apart from the whole 'it'll be over in a coupla years' thing. Granted, the graphics will be far outdated by then, but starcraft (which is far older than WoW) still has a massive cult following. The only thing that'll kill WoW is blizzard deciding they've had enough, but they're not going to dump their cash cow that easily.

I agree, despite the fact some new games are coming out, nothings going to topple this giant of a game. Sure, they will take some players, demographics will change, but WoW is certainly not going anywhere - 10 million players is too much momentum to beat! There are increasing rumours of WoW2 and/or Starcraft Online surfacing, so I would fully expect that Wow will continue for another couple of years at least, and then end up being replaced by a successor.


Honestly, warcraft is a sad excuse for a warhammer fantasy clone. To my knowledge, before warcrap came into existence, blizzard wanted to make a game with GW. GW said no, so they made warcrap. Blizzard should be sued for every penny they made off of WoW because they are unoriginal bastards. Also, for all who are about to say 'warhammer is a tolkien ripoff'... Before you click the post button, learn the difference between inspiration and ripoff.

/yawn

There's always someone who comes up with this "OMG - Blizzard ripped GW off" urban legend. And to keep it brief I'll make the same 2 points that always need to be said:

1. There's absolutely nothing to back this little story up. If you can point me to something that does feel free, but this is frequently bandied around without any source or other evidence to go with it, so it kind of annoys me.

2. Even if it turned out to be true.... so what? GW's backstory is about as unoriginal as it comes. Doesn't make it bad, but its bascially cobbled together from other Fantasy settings.

Drogmir
09-03-2008, 20:23
Me too definately! I'm more of a casual player than a hardcore raider, but it is tremendous fun!

I can see why some people don't like it, it can be a little hard to get thri the first 15-20 levels or so when it starts becoming more than button mashing, and after that theres still a degree of repetition. For these reasons I have taken breaks from playing, as many people do. But I always come back because its a really enjoyable game with a great social aspect. The endgame in particular is great fun at the moment!



I agree, despite the fact some new games are coming out, nothings going to topple this giant of a game. Sure, they will take some players, demographics will change, but WoW is certainly not going anywhere - 10 million players is too much momentum to beat! There are increasing rumours of WoW2 and/or Starcraft Online surfacing, so I would fully expect that Wow will continue for another couple of years at least, and then end up being replaced by a successor.



/yawn

There's always someone who comes up with this "OMG - Blizzard ripped GW off" urban legend. And to keep it brief I'll make the same 2 points that always need to be said:

1. There's absolutely nothing to back this little story up. If you can point me to something that does feel free, but this is frequently bandied around without any source or other evidence to go with it, so it kind of annoys me.

2. Even if it turned out to be true.... so what? GW's backstory is about as unoriginal as it comes. Doesn't make it bad, but its bascially cobbled together from other Fantasy settings.

I think the point is, if it does turn out to be true GW is losing out.

I once asked some fanatical WOW players (knew all lore and everything) if they knew what Warhammer was. They thought it was a type of hammer you used with two hands (which is partially true :rolleyes:)

dr.oetk3r
09-03-2008, 21:14
TBH a lot of the stuff from starcraft looks like a blatant rip off from 40k.

Marines anyone?

Champion of Biel-Tan
09-03-2008, 21:44
TBH a lot of the stuff from starcraft looks like a blatant rip off from 40k.

Marines anyone?

Space Marines are (somewhat) holy crusader-like superwarriors inside big bulky armour. Terran Marines are criminals who could chose between death or this inside a big bulky armour more like Colonel Schaeffers last chancers. the only thing they have the same is big armour

dr.oetk3r
09-03-2008, 22:12
Space Marines are (somewhat) holy crusader-like superwarriors inside big bulky armour. Terran Marines are criminals who could chose between death or this inside a big bulky armour more like Colonel Schaeffers last chancers. the only thing they have the same is big armour

....and Drop Pods.

Heck, in sc2 the reapers might aswell be called assault marines.

swordwind
09-03-2008, 22:29
Read up on the Space Marine background from Rogue Trader, before they became shiny holy warriors of shiny goodness and light.

Gaz
09-03-2008, 22:45
Honestly, warcraft is a sad excuse for a warhammer fantasy clone. To my knowledge, before warcrap came into existence, blizzard wanted to make a game with GW. GW said no, so they made warcrap. Blizzard should be sued for every penny they made off of WoW because they are unoriginal bastards. Also, for all who are about to say 'warhammer is a tolkien ripoff'... Before you click the post button, learn the difference between inspiration and ripoff.


You said it yourself, really.

learn the difference between inspiration and ripoff

The only similarities I see are the races, and lets be honest GW are hardly original in the race department either. Elves and Dwarves are your typical fantasy characters, you'll get them everywhere. Magic? Yep, everywhere too.

WH and WoW have different back stories, different characters, different worlds...all that are similar are the races.

'cept WH doesn't have giant cows.

Ozorik
09-03-2008, 23:54
Honestly, warcraft is a sad excuse for a warhammer fantasy clone. To my knowledge, before warcrap came into existence, blizzard wanted to make a game with GW. GW said no, so they made warcrap. Blizzard should be sued for every penny they made off of WoW because they are unoriginal bastards. Also, for all who are about to say 'warhammer is a tolkien ripoff'... Before you click the post button, learn the difference between inspiration and ripoff

Ah this old chessnut. Why does this topic keep repeating itself? Superficially there are similarities but beyond that, not really. Blizzard dont do origniallity, not one of their games is groundbreaking, they just condense decent ideas from other sources and create very polished games.

The warcraft storyline is hackneyed, unbelievable and riven with cliches (aside form the interstellar daemons and even that isnt unique). Then again GW isnt reknowed for its originality either.

Incedentally if you are attempting to say that Blizzard ripped off GW due to SC marines in power armour I suggest you read some classic science fiction, starting with the forever war and starship troopers.

WoW is a decent MMO, it works well and isnt a grinding treadmill like some other games I have played. Well it is but it isnt quite as noticable. I find the whole endgame raiding aspect tedious though and the game itself doesnt hold my interest for long. I have played it periodically every since it can out and my highest level character is 65.

dr.oetk3r
10-03-2008, 00:08
Incedentally if you are attempting to say that Blizzard ripped off GW due to SC marines in power armour I suggest you read some classic science fiction, starting with the forever war and starship troopers.



That's a great argument...except sc marines look nothing like starship troopers!
There is a difference between inspiration and outright copying.

EXHIBIT A
1.http://static3.filefront.com/images/lmdmdmlskn.jpg
2.http://starcraft.incgamers.com/w/images/thumb/f/f0/Reaper.jpg/558px-Reaper.jpg
3. http://www.paintedfigs.com/files/assault_marines_2.jpg

Exhibit B
http://www.kodama.ch/cms/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/space_marine1.jpg
http://news.filefront.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/starcraft2-thumb.jpg

Ozorik
10-03-2008, 08:52
Ok then how would you suggest power armour would look like? I suggest that real power armour would look stikingly similar to the examples linked above, although closer to the SC version as it looks more functional. The space suit helmet that the SC marines have is also a nice touch.

As for the reapers they are closer to seraphim TBH, in terms of their role. I also remember people acusing the rocket troops from RA2 as being ripped off assault marines :)

Oguleth
10-03-2008, 13:53
Love or hate, love or hate... Once the concept of doing the same thing over and over and over (and a pretty simple and in a way dull same thing), the whole WoW thing falls apart. The idea was amazingly well done by blizzard I must say, I doubt I will ever play a game this much again, but I wont ever touch a similiar game either, so..

I was also against paying each month for the game, but after getting a beer in a pub here in Norway right after I started, and the thought about barely getting one beer for the price of a months subscription when I more or less quit other games, I mostly ended up saving cash in that entertainment department compared to the endless small games like Fable that was pushed out. In some ways I doubt the cost is that much different from Dawn of War, if one bought the expansions as they come out. At least for norwegians I think..

Most other rpgs feels kinda empty too after playing wow, wonder why noone is making single player rpgs with a chat client installed, so when doing boring zone runs, or doing boring quests, one could chat irc/msn style at the side.. Without having to suffer all the "1g pls" "BOOST ME IN DM MEIGHT" stuff, but I guess its not high on the to do list of todays strict budget games... :(

Huw_Dawson
10-03-2008, 17:39
Got to lvl 15, discovered it was just a few skills on top of a combat system that a child could create, and gave up.

I play RuneScape, because other than the whiny kids, the game has its good points. Quests are fun, its a bit less grindy than WoW, and if you can find a clan its a great way to beat out an evenings entertainment. Runescape has an even SIMPLER combat system than WoW, but the point is that its just as hard (and as much point) to level up the other abilities.

Omg! I just got lvl 300 tailoring!
Dude, thats awesome, whats the advantage!
I can make enough money to buy that new axe!

Something is wrong when a game that revolves totally around combat, but that combat is completely uninteresting.

And on the Diablo comment, Diablo had a cool factor that WoW lacks.

- Huw

Kaze
10-03-2008, 17:51
Got to lvl 15, discovered it was just a few skills on top of a combat system that a child could create, and gave up.

I play RuneScape, because other than the whiny kids, the game has its good points. Quests are fun, its a bit less grindy than WoW, and if you can find a clan its a great way to beat out an evenings entertainment. Runescape has an even SIMPLER combat system than WoW, but the point is that its just as hard (and as much point) to level up the other abilities.

Omg! I just got lvl 300 tailoring!
Dude, thats awesome, whats the advantage!
I can make enough money to buy that new axe!

Something is wrong when a game that revolves totally around combat, but that combat is completely uninteresting.

And on the Diablo comment, Diablo had a cool factor that WoW lacks.

- Huw


Huw, I understand some of your points, but I have something to ask: did you play WoW (got to lvl 60) when it originally came out (not one year later.... since day one)?

Back then, having, for instance, an Epic Mount was something really hard. The same for leveling a profession (enchanting or leatherworking in my cases).

The Talent ladder is the same as Diablo, so not liking the WoW system is the same as disliking Diablo. The same applies to the Combat System.

I agree on your "Tailoring to buy axe" comment, though. Unfortunately many people have Professions that don't fit the character's theme. For me it's natural my Hunter has Skinning and Leatherworking as it allows me to create armor for him. I woul never have Tailoring and Armorsmith for him, for example. But the economy factor is strong in WoW, so what you sais occurs often (unfortunately).

Champion of Biel-Tan
10-03-2008, 20:17
Read up on the Space Marine background from Rogue Trader, before they became shiny holy warriors of shiny goodness and light.

I never said they we're GOOD only crusader-like and to be honest crusaders aren't really the nicest of people. But that aside i'm not really a fluff nut(t) nor a 'veteran who knows all the old stuff' but, if i'm correct atleast, the Space Marines we're created for the sole purpose of reconquering the galaxy for the Emperor, but something went wrong and half of them rebelled. Terran Marines on the other side are 'criminals or rebels who had undergone mandatory neural resocialization. Freed from any previous allegiances or ideologies, these fearless soldiers stood ready to defend Confederate interests with their lives.' Maybe I can't see something but I simply don't see the similarities, and even if Starcraft looks a bit like Warhammer 40000 it's still a great game. :p

Drogmir
10-03-2008, 22:55
I never said they we're GOOD only crusader-like and to be honest crusaders aren't really the nicest of people. But that aside i'm not really a fluff nut(t) nor a 'veteran who knows all the old stuff' but, if i'm correct atleast, the Space Marines we're created for the sole purpose of reconquering the galaxy for the Emperor, but something went wrong and half of them rebelled. Terran Marines on the other side are 'criminals or rebels who had undergone mandatory neural resocialization. Freed from any previous allegiances or ideologies, these fearless soldiers stood ready to defend Confederate interests with their lives.' Maybe I can't see something but I simply don't see the similarities, and even if Starcraft looks a bit like Warhammer 40000 it's still a great game. :p

Well you're ignorance is showing :p

Before the Fluff Rougue Trader SM were essentially Criminals who were released after being re conned with all sorts of enchantments.

So the idea that Starcraft Marines have the same origin as SM isn't too far off. Rogue Trader SM you might call it a rip off, modern 40K you'd call it an inspiration.

Champion of Biel-Tan
11-03-2008, 15:20
Well you're ignorance is showing :p

Before the Fluff Rougue Trader SM were essentially Criminals who were released after being re conned with all sorts of enchantments.

So the idea that Starcraft Marines have the same origin as SM isn't too far off. Rogue Trader SM you might call it a rip off, modern 40K you'd call it an inspiration.

Ah ok I didn't know that probably before my time. :p Probably the main thing why I can't see Terran Marines as Space Marines is because Starcraft was released when I was 5 or so, I sometimes played computer games (didn't get them though but it was still cool to build 200 zerglings and not knowing how to upgrade your base :p) but about 3 years after that Warhammer came and I started playing Eldar. Probably if I first started warhammer (and particulary Marines) I would have seen Terran Marines as Space Marines.

Going to do some homework now,
Champ of Biel-Tan.