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bluekitsune13
15-03-2008, 14:28
At my gaming store where people play, everyone has these little information sheets that lists their army's stats. It also lists special abilities, and any other misc. info about their units. I was wondering if there is a program available that will produce a cheat sheet that you can print out to reference during the game. Something perhaps where you just click the different units and options, and it automatically adds up the points for you. Does such a thing exist, or did the players at the store just make them themselves?

Dux Ducis
15-03-2008, 14:32
Google 'Army Builder'.

Mad Doc Grotsnik
15-03-2008, 14:32
I think Army Builder does that for you.

Me, I just use my Army Book.

intellectawe
15-03-2008, 14:57
Cheat Sheet?

What test are you taking?

bluekitsune13
15-03-2008, 15:01
Aw man, it has a license on it. Do you really have to buy the license to enable you to use it? I know I'm not shelling out the dough for it. Is there an alternative (free) program?

75hastings69
15-03-2008, 15:03
Yes, god forbid anyone should have to pay for something that people have put time and effort into and that gets regular updates for most major systems as well as army book/codex updates.....

Belerophon709
15-03-2008, 15:04
Cheat Sheet?

What test are you taking?

I lol'd.

Seriously though, the program is called 'Army Builder' (abbreviated: AB) and is a helpful tool when you need to build an army. Keeps track of the individual army contruction rules and so forth, so it will even tell you when you're trying to construct something illegal.

There are, however, a few known bugs here and there in Army Builder, not to mention pure wrong info. For example, my copy of AB lists Night Goblin Squig Hoppers as having 2 wounds each. So double-checking critical info is always a good idea.

Oberon
15-03-2008, 15:11
In short, army builder does exactly the same as excel or other similar programs, but looks nicer and contains bugs you did not put there by yourself->you have someone else to blame when you manage to print out a "cheat sheet". :) If you have excel, and the relevant army book, you would not "need" army builder, and army book really is needed even if you had army builder...

Mad Doc Grotsnik
15-03-2008, 15:44
Aw man, it has a license on it. Do you really have to buy the license to enable you to use it? I know I'm not shelling out the dough for it. Is there an alternative (free) program?

There this brilliant one called Pen and Paper.

Some might say it's dated, but personally, I swear by it.

All you have to do is write down your army list, and put the page number of each entry on it.

Jobs a good 'un.

ZAlpha
15-03-2008, 17:17
I used to use AB to create a list for my armies.

It's fast and useful.

But I didn't use it anymore. Why? Well, it's like Belerophon709 said, some infos are incorrect and unreliable.

Another reason is that using programs like AB, you don't need the Codex or Army Book...

Result ? You WON'T REMEMBER A THING ABOUT YOUR ARMY(IES) -- AND THAT'S BAD!

[My own experience...]

Shakubuku
15-03-2008, 17:21
Yes, god forbid anyone should have to pay for something that people have put time and effort into and that gets regular updates for most major systems as well as army book/codex updates.....

Actually most of the "updates" are made by players and not the company that actually just updates the program so people will have to:

a) buy a new licence cuz 2.0 is now 3.0
b) get ahead of the crack and keygen hacker folk

Plus I think I actually saw quite a number of excell sheets for some armies, but mostly with stats and printer friendly charts not the full rules and level of interactivity of AB.


PS-a box of 12 plastic minis will set you back more than actually buying the licence, matter of perspective people arguin over 2 cents on a bill and shelling out $50 bucks on another dragon (personaly im the argueing sort though :D )

Gorbad Ironclaw
15-03-2008, 17:25
But I didn't use it anymore. Why? Well, it's like Belerophon709 said, some infos are incorrect and unreliable.



Not nearly as incorrect and unreliable as it would be if people did it by hand!

If you were to check people's army lists you would see a much larger amount of errors and mistakes in hand-written lists as oppose to AB lists.

theunwantedbeing
15-03-2008, 17:45
Writing your list forces you to remember more of your list, thats the advantage.
A spreadsheet with the rules and such for your army on as well as available things that each unit can have is actually very easy to make.
In making it you'll be learning your rules a little more as well.

It's free too!
(worth giving it a go infact)

505
15-03-2008, 17:45
ther was a websight thegreatunlcean one.com I think that was a online army builder. don't know how up to date it is. a basic cheatsheet for most armies is on GW webpage. you just need acrobat reader to get them. (they don't have points and such)

starlight
15-03-2008, 17:59
It always amuses me when people point out the mistakes and flaws in Army Builder...yet the source material (GW's own books) go unremarked...:eyebrows:

Briohmar
15-03-2008, 18:01
There are, however, a few known bugs here and there in Army Builder, not to mention pure wrong info. For example, my copy of AB lists Night Goblin Squig Hoppers as having 2 wounds each. So double-checking critical info is always a good idea.

Two other significant bugs are for the Empire. Counts a unit of Inner Circle Knights as 2 Special choices, and if you have one unit of huntsman, it sees them as two units, and tells you you can't have more than one.

As for Great unclean one, I don't think its been updated since the woodelf book came out. Its definitely not correct for Empire or Greenskins.

Misfratz
15-03-2008, 19:10
It always amuses me when people point out the mistakes and flaws in Army Builder...yet the source material (GW's own books) go unremarked...:eyebrows:I never picked you as a troll starlight, surely you're aware of the vast number of complaints that happen when GW army books/codices are self-contradictory.

I'll second the recommendation to use pen and paper. Repetition is a proven method for learning something, and being able to reliably remember your armies rules is even better than having a "cheat sheet".

Vishok
15-03-2008, 20:45
Excel, by far, is the best.

Assuming you're proficient with it.

devolutionary
15-03-2008, 20:48
Proficient? You don't need to be proficient! Learn to resize columns, format sells to merge, wrap text, and position text in the cell, and apply borders and shading. I've had people ask what program I used to make my army lists and where they can download it, but all I've ever used is excel. If you don't have it, OpenOffice has a spreadsheet program with a lot of the functionality that you can get for free.

Vishok
15-03-2008, 20:53
A lot of people have no clue that you can do any of that with Excel, and are blinded by the grid itself.

In my experience.

Even after you teach them, they still have no clue. So yeah, you have to be proficient with it - I'm assuming you either work with Excel now or did at sometime in the past. In school or in the office.

devolutionary
15-03-2008, 21:03
While yes, I have used it at work, I taught myself because I am shamelessly addicted to grids, colours, and sums ;)

KingTut
15-03-2008, 21:07
What exactly do you want as a cheat sheet. There are Reference sheets availiable on the GW site and there are various armybuilders floating about teh intrawebz.

DoktorZinieztro
15-03-2008, 23:58
At my gaming store where people play, everyone has these little information sheets that lists their army's stats. It also lists special abilities, and any other misc. info about their units. I was wondering if there is a program available that will produce a cheat sheet that you can print out to reference during the game. Something perhaps where you just click the different units and options, and it automatically adds up the points for you. Does such a thing exist, or did the players at the store just make them themselves?

Mate, you sound excedingly new and excedingly cheap. Not everything comes for free and ready to be used to your complete satisfaction. So, get in line or please, make a little effort to get what you want.

But, I am a good lad and will point you to The Forge or the digitalfoundry.com

Look for it on the net and download it. Then, get your army book open, learn your rules and make your list with The Forge.

Work it!

Rhamag
16-03-2008, 00:15
Excel. Many computers come with it in their bundle of software, it is easy enough to learn with an hour or so of messing about, and it's very flexible. Once you';ve got a template set up, you can make as many copies of the same sheet as you wish, and fiddle away with unit sizes to your heart's content.

One day, soon, I will write an Excel tutorial for making lists. Threatened this a couple of times before on WarSeer but lost momentum. Will try again, if there's a demand for it.

ashaman76
16-03-2008, 00:59
http://us.games-workshop.com/games/warhammer/gaming/reference_sheets/reference_sheets.htm


There's some reference sheets. It's probably the same thing that's in the back of your army book though.

505
16-03-2008, 07:53
I do pen and paper then transfer over to army builder.

soemtimes I find errors on army builder and soemtimes I find errors in my paper list.

I use the referance sheets from GW when I face an army I never have before (I wont use army builder to find rules of other armies) though I have most of the books so I can use those for my intell.

Ward.
16-03-2008, 08:29
Bluekitsune13: I almost assumed you where talking about the reference sheet found at the back of your army book...

Huw_Dawson
16-03-2008, 10:07
It always amuses me when people point out the mistakes and flaws in Army Builder...yet the source material (GW's own books) go unremarked...:eyebrows:

Oh come on, if that isn't trolling (Ie, breaking Posting Guidelines 4 and 8) it certainly is trying to drag the thread off topic, which is breaking rule 14.

Anywho.

Army Builder 3 in its unlocked version can be opened muliple times, so you can still make army lists as long as you tot up how many points each group of units is. Not too useful otherwise unless you fancy shelling out for a license. Pen and Paper works for me.

- Huw

ChrisAsmadi
16-03-2008, 12:05
Gotta chime in.

Don't use Army Builder, the licence sucks, ect, ect.

Seriously, Excel (ew) or OO Calc make much better sheets, or even notepad.

Havesome
16-03-2008, 13:31
I use Army Builder and I also know my particular army books very well. Because of that, I have reported a couple of bugs in the past that were since fixed. It is a useful tool and I don't mind paying for it.

advinius
16-03-2008, 14:31
Something I've seen some folks do locally to me that's pretty keen is to write up each of their commonly used units on a seperate Index card. Stats, special rules summary, gear, and total points cost. then, when they want to put together an army list quickly, they just break out their "deck" of units, pull out what they want to use, and total the prefigured costs.

It's quick, easy, and allows for rapid changes in an army composition between games if one is making a day of it. all it requires is a bit of work ahead of time, and the occasional new card made up when you buy a new unit.

redrum
16-03-2008, 19:07
One day, soon, I will write an Excel tutorial for making lists. Threatened this a couple of times before on WarSeer but lost momentum. Will try again, if there's a demand for it.

I'd love to see something like that. Not sure if that qualifies as enough demand for you to put the time into it though ;)