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Try Again Bragg
16-03-2008, 00:50
Simple question, complicated answer:

How do they do it?

How do Space Marines infiltrate? They are huge, power armored, super-humans who disdain they use of camouflage. In fact, many are clad in garish colors that would stand out brightly in the vast majority of environments.

You tell me, how do they get behind enemy lines?

The pestilent 1
16-03-2008, 00:52
Certain Space Marine Chapters have access to an incredibly advanced piece of Xenos Technology, nicknamed the "none of my Problem field" By serfs, this device shrouds the Space marine in a bubble of "Weirdness" so powerful that enemies will simply ignore it until it's too close To ignore.
After all. Would you believe an eight foot guy in bright yellow armour was trying to sneak up on you?

Try Again Bragg
16-03-2008, 01:05
Good "Hitchhiker's Guide" reference. :cool:

He who is doom
16-03-2008, 01:15
there are also some chapters who like the use of stealth rather than force.

like my granda says (what i should do with a hundred men i can do with ten.)

Wolf Scout Ewan
16-03-2008, 01:22
Camleoline, silentium and silencers.

Silentium is a device that muffles sound in the ara of the user. (ref: Piscina IV, Dark Angels, Sgt Namaan)
White noise generators can muffle speech.
Some chapters train to be able to use armour in a quiet, stealthy way.

BrainFireBob
16-03-2008, 02:33
The power of plot device compels you, I say!

Khaine's Messenger
16-03-2008, 05:26
You tell me, how do they get behind enemy lines?

Technically, the "fluff" of the matter can be as descriptive as you like. They could even be teleporting--the 12/18 rule would just be a matter of tactical choice...or their Librarian's been nearly blowing his brains out to cover their advance with illusions...etc. Even though teleportation is usually not represented by the rules in this fashion, the infiltration game mechanic is exactly that--a game mechanic.

As to how they would actually infiltrate...most if not all Space Marines are trained to do it. They were once Scouts, after all. And with all that "second skin" nonsense they like to go on about with their power armor, I honestly don't think it makes a great deal of noise...there aren't that many moving parts, and the joints aren't all that noisy. The only hard part would be the garish colorscheme, which, it should be noted, is often a very dark and subdued tone anyway (barring the Imperial Fists...but you can still darken up a good Yellow, or at least make it non-reflective). Well, depending on your preference for setting-level "grit"...eg, the early 4e studio Ultramarines were painted a LOT darker than some of their predecessors, and their bling wasn't really shiny per se.

And, mind you, if your chapter actually HAS "SBDBS," then yours is likely one of the ones that DOES use camo. Unless you're one of the more frustrating types that switches out traits between battles. :mad:

DantesInferno
16-03-2008, 05:58
How do Space Marines infiltrate? They are huge, power armored, super-humans who disdain they use of camouflage. In fact, many are clad in garish colors that would stand out brightly in the vast majority of environments.

You tell me, how do they get behind enemy lines?

As KM has said, the Chapters which specialise in infiltration operations aren't likely to be the ones which choose fluorescent colour schemes for their power-armoured troops.

Lord of ???
16-03-2008, 06:15
Infiltrate depends on what you mean.

The game mechanic just means they are behind the enemy or in a hidden location to start with. I'm pretty sure that if there is a wall between you and me it won't matter how brightly coloured i am, you still won't see me.

Where as your super stealth mission to blow up a promethium factory or assassinate a leader probably won't be done by your walking colour board marines.

neXus6
16-03-2008, 06:28
No those missions are usually done by teleporting 20 terminators into the objective and making damn sure its *********** dead. :D
Those mission are usually important like that.

Notice rules wise you cannot combine it with pride in your colours or whatever it is. I'm sure some chapters aren't above using camouflage to an extent for starters.

icegreentea
16-03-2008, 16:19
They just wear giant camo ponchos. Machine spirit is not offended (look! im keeping you clean!), enemy can't see you, and looks really really cool when you jump out of ambush throwing your poncho off and firing a bolter.

A neutral shade of black.
16-03-2008, 16:23
Back in the days when Space Marines made sense (and weren't retconned as knights in shining armour to please the wittle thirteen year olds), camouflage was one of the key doctrines of the Codex Astartes, and every chapter had specific camo patterns that they would repaint their armour in whenever they went to war in a different environment than the one they were used to fighting in.

Then GW did a complete 180 turn to please the aforementioned thirteen year olds and decided the resulting background inconsistencies weren't their problem.

But, you know, this was back when Marines were the neo-Nazi scum of the Earth they're supposed to be (including being "recruited" from prisons as a form of punishment, then brainwashed into serving the Emperor - none of this stupid "oh, they have to join before adolescence or their bodies will reject the organs!" pseudoscience) and were actually cool.

neXus6
16-03-2008, 17:50
I remember the picture of the camo marines sitting in ambush in a rocky outcrop, always liked that one.

Icarus
16-03-2008, 18:16
Well in Legion the Alpha Legion marines used a number of methods including burying themselves entirely in sand and then bursting out when approached. They also infiltrated an area without their armour on at least once, and when their armour was on it seemed specially modified so that it did not make noise and could move through sensors without tripping them. Plus they're just cool. :cool:

Brother Siccarius
16-03-2008, 20:01
Being a completely sealed system I would be willing to bet that any sounds from the servos would be muffled. Honestly it doesn't matter that much if they can hear you or not for the marine's infiltrating. Sure, if you're moving where they could potentially see you, you'd have to be fairly quite about it. If you're moving through woods, large outcrops of rocks, or urban terrain, they could hear you but never see you until they were practically on top of you, especially with the echo effect in those areas.

If you were going to have them infiltrating up close then ghillie suits, psyker effects, and various technologies could conceivably be used. Heck, if you want your personal chapter to use camoflage, why not?

Richter Kless
16-03-2008, 21:33
But doesn't the Imperium have other forces for infiltration?

To me it seems like a waste of potential for a Marine to have to start sneaking, when there are soldiers around who do a far better job at that.

icegreentea
16-03-2008, 21:47
But doesn't the Imperium have other forces for infiltration?

To me it seems like a waste of potential for a Marine to have to start sneaking, when there are soldiers around who do a far better job at that.

They could want to infiltrate so the marines could blow up the cult leader's head faster.

For what it's worth, the Iron Warriors managed to infiltrate a bunch of marines, and bypass the outpost system around a starport. Then again, it was really really sandy.

Brother Siccarius
16-03-2008, 22:28
But doesn't the Imperium have other forces for infiltration?

To me it seems like a waste of potential for a Marine to have to start sneaking, when there are soldiers around who do a far better job at that.

Space Marines are separate from the Imperium. Sure some Imperial officials like to think otherwise, but the Space Marines are an outside force. If they are learning to infiltrate, the Imperium's got no say in it.

A neutral shade of black.
16-03-2008, 22:37
But doesn't the Imperium have other forces for infiltration?

To me it seems like a waste of potential for a Marine to have to start sneaking, when there are soldiers around who do a far better job at that.

The entire purpose of Marines is surgical strikes - which will often require stealth. The Marines don't have the numbers to fight conventional warfare; and in any case, that isn't the point of their existence and isn't part of their doctrine. In other words, it makes as much sense for Marines to be able to infiltrate as it does for any other ambush specialist.

The Highlander
16-03-2008, 23:06
Also of course the SM can just turn the power levels on their power amour and move very slowly and quetly.

MrBigMr
16-03-2008, 23:17
Why do people thing infiltrating = silent and unseen? If you can sneak a tank batallion behind enemy lines, certainly few big guys can do it as well.

I was in a scout/guerrilla unit in the army and even though our main job during wartime would be behind enemy lines, we carried more equipment than regular troops, had tractors (yes, those farming ones painted olive drab), tracked transports (V8 Turbo isn't silent) and even messangers with dirt bikes.

So working behind enemy lines isn't the same thing as having to sneak behind the enemy and stab them. In planetary scale warfare, there's plenty of empty space to move without anyone seeing you. The key is to avoid random patrols and such, rather than hide all the time.

Try Again Bragg
16-03-2008, 23:25
Thanks MrBigMr. It seems obvious now, but I really had not thought of it that way.