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Brimweave
17-03-2008, 20:41
I am interested in getting a space marine army (already have a necron army) by getting a 50 starter set.

I was wondering about a few things:-

1) Are space marines fun to play?
2) Are they cheap compared to other armies?
3) Will people think your just another space marine player even if you don't use a heavily used chapter
4) What are the chapters alot of people play
5) Will people still play you if your a space marine and not reject you for playing

Just some newbie questions I need answering. Also this is not a flaming thread i just want to know if they are good and worth buy a battleforce of them.

Any comments are appreciated :D (unless there spam of course :p).

kishvier
17-03-2008, 20:43
Fun? Yes they win.
cheap? Kind of, Chaos space marines are cheaper.
Good army, tough as nails, easy to play. In other words they win and are simple.

oceansoul
17-03-2008, 20:58
1) Depends upon your how you want to play.
2) Yes when compared to many things
3) Yes they will.
4) Any that exist, and many of peoples own devising.
5) Yes, people expect to be playing against marines.

Johnny Bravo
17-03-2008, 21:09
I was wondering about a few things:-

1) Are space marines fun to play?

They're very flexible in what you can do with them, so you can find a playstyle that suits you and that you find fun to play.


2) Are they cheap compared to other armies?

Financially speaking? Yes, they've got, I believe, the most plastic options available to any army.


3) Will people think your just another space marine player even if you don't use a heavily used chapter

Probably. But who really cares what they think? Play what you want, you're the one investing the time and money, right?


4) What are the chapters alot of people play

Been a while since I've been in the scene, but as far as I know, the heavily played chapters are still Black Templars, Dark Angels, Blood Angels, Ultramarines and maybe Space Wolves, though I don't see a lot of talk about the Wolves lately. Don't let that affect your choice, though. Just because a chapter is common doesn't mean you shouldn't try them out if you like their background and playstyle.


5) Will people still play you if your a space marine and not reject you for playing

If someone won't play you just because you've got a Marine army, that person isn't worth playing to begin with.

carlisimo
17-03-2008, 21:09
Fun to play depends on you and your playing style... obviously, every army has a group of followers who think theirs is the most fun to play. There's something for everyone - but it's hard to figure that out before you start playing! So watch games with various armies, read up on all of them, and start with a small force in case you realize it wasn't the right choice for you.

Which brings us to the cost question... and the answer is that they're only a little bit cheaper than most armies. Thankfully, GW started pricing its boxes with points cost in mind, so an Ork army is no longer twice as costly as a Space Marine army. On the other hand, there are more used (or unused, but pre-owned) Space Marines for sale and that's a good way to start.

Coming across a Space Marine player isn't as annoying as it was a few years ago. Other armies are starting to get great new models, and more competitive codices, so marines aren't as overdone as they used to be. Black Templars are probably the only chapter I'm personally tired of. Sometimes I get the feeling people go with them just because they don't take as much time to paint if you're not trying to do a good job. But no one will refuse to play you because of your army, I don't think that's ever been a common phenomenon.

Ask yourself what you like about them (and tell us!).

intellectawe
17-03-2008, 21:54
1) Are space marines fun to play?

Depends on your definition of fun.


2) Are they cheap compared to other armies?

Depends on your army build.


3) Will people think your just another space marine player even if you don't use a heavily used chapter

Depends on your opponent.


4) What are the chapters alot of people play

Depends on your gaming area.


5) Will people still play you if your a space marine and not reject you for playing

Depends on the person.

The_Dragon_Rising
17-03-2008, 22:24
Fun- depends on how you play them and what you enjoy, personally no.
Cheap- relativly so, yes
Different- the general opinion in my area is that marines are marines regardless of fluff, cheapter, etc
Chapters-Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Ultramarines, Black Templars
Playability- most people will play marines as they are rarely considered an "uber army"

Latro_
17-03-2008, 22:49
If it were me i'd branch out to something other than the 3+ save s4 gun army, in that regard necrons and marines are very samey.

Why not take on a bit more of a challenge, orks? nids? new daemons army? bit more of a painting and gaming challenge.

catbarf
17-03-2008, 23:06
They're sledgehammers that are far more forgiving than almost any other army in the game, are effective even if you're a braindead commander, are cheap money-wise, and easy to paint. They are also 80% of all the armies people play, with another 15% being Chaos Marines.

But if you really like them, go with it.

Brimweave
17-03-2008, 23:19
If it were me i'd branch out to something other than the 3+ save s4 gun army, in that regard necrons and marines are very samey.

Why not take on a bit more of a challenge, orks? nids? new daemons army? bit more of a painting and gaming challenge.

I am not very drawn to the nids and one of my friends has nids already, my other friend is getting the daemon army when it comes out and I am not particularly drawn to the orks.

I also want an army which is cheap to set up as I already have necrons. I love my necrons, the lore and everything its just there lack of choice is slightly annoying and also lack of units. I also like the way you can customize space marines.

I do have a slight concern everyone else plays space marines but I have my necrons which are my "not a marine" army :p.

Drakon
17-03-2008, 23:51
I am interested in getting a space marine army (already have a necron army) by getting a 50 starter set.

I was wondering about a few things:-

1) Are space marines fun to play?
2) Are they cheap compared to other armies?
3) Will people think your just another space marine player even if you don't use a heavily used chapter
4) What are the chapters alot of people play
5) Will people still play you if your a space marine and not reject you for playing

Just some newbie questions I need answering. Also this is not a flaming thread i just want to know if they are good and worth buy a battleforce of them.

Any comments are appreciated :D (unless there spam of course :p).

1 - Yes they are fun to play and there are so many diff ways to play them
2 - cheap compared to my IG ive spent twice as much money on my ig and dont even have half the pts value
3 - who cares what others think as long as you like it
4 - choose a chapter you like regardless if they are common. I choose SW cause i liked the figures and background
5 - if they dont want to play SM then their idiots as theyre cutting down the opponents list quite considerably.

If you dont want to create a normal run of the mill always seen marine army create your own and build up the FLUFF yourself.

Kalec
18-03-2008, 00:22
I wouldn't touch Marines until the new codex comes out later this year.

Veloxnex
18-03-2008, 01:06
Marines ARE 40k. they're what drags people in. i mean who doesnt like the idea of eight foot super-human soldiers with a rocket launcher for a gun!

and they're going to be the best 5th ed army. trust me on that one:angel: ( look at combat squads and the mission objectives)

carlisimo
18-03-2008, 04:42
I am not very drawn to the nids and one of my friends has nids already, my other friend is getting the daemon army when it comes out and I am not particularly drawn to the orks.

On the plus side, Space Marines are very different from Tyranids and Daemons so you'll have good games against those opponents.

On the downside, they're not necessarily that different from Necrons, if you do a mostly tactical squad list.

Norsehawk
18-03-2008, 04:48
Well, others have answered the most of your questions, but as far as the chapters, yes, the standard ones people play in no particular order are: Space Wolves, Ultra Marines, (and all the subchapters that broke off from them) Blood Angels, (and the rest of the red thirst freaks) Dark Angels (and the rest of the ones hiding the shame in their background) and Black Templars. You can also make up your own army, and the space marine codex gives you rules for giving your force traits that alter the rules in some way for you.

If you want to see a bunch of the offical chapters and a little bit about their background, you can follow this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Space_Marine_Chapters You can spend a good bit of time digging through there and either pick one of those as your chapter, or pick and choose bits to make your own chapter.

Trickle
18-03-2008, 11:19
I remember going up against marines for the first time and wondering how I was going to deal with that armour save. But in practice I've always had balanced games.

Me mixed Eldar, no holofields etc.
Opponents have been foot slogging Space Wolf codex, Deathwing+Otherwing, tank+dread heavy lass-fest marines, scout+assault foot slogging marines.

All seemed like reasonable and fair builds to me.

nargileh
18-03-2008, 13:29
Marines ARE 40k. they're what drags people in.
True dat, i started 40k so i could pound marines into the dust :evilgrin:

Neo799
18-03-2008, 14:02
I gotta say dude, if you have to ask these questions it doesn't sound like you are stepping into an overly fun gaming group. To address your questions:

1) They are fun, just like any army that you like
2) It depends what you want in the army and how big
3) If they are retards anything is possible
4) I've seen Ultramarines, Dark Angels, Space Wolves and Blood Angels, but homemade chapters, too.
5) Seriously, if anyone does that they are a complete ****** and should not be involved in the hobby. For **** sake if you are going to take it that seriously just do everyone a favour and take a long walk off a short cliff.

And to the replies saying "Marines are good, they win" is way oversimplified. Marines were my first army and I did not win automatically. It took a lot of lumps at the hands of experienced players using other armies to figure out how to play half decently with them. There are many other armies that you can make a more abusive list with and then just sit back and point and click your way to an easy win.

DeadjesterX
18-03-2008, 14:03
I am interested in getting a space marine army (already have a necron army) by getting a 50 starter set.

I was wondering about a few things:-

1) Are space marines fun to play?
2) Are they cheap compared to other armies?
3) Will people think your just another space marine player even if you don't use a heavily used chapter
4) What are the chapters alot of people play
5) Will people still play you if your a space marine and not reject you for playing


1 - Well, that is up to one's opinion. In general though, they are easier to play than other armies. They are very forgiving thanks to the Power Armor and the "And they shall know no fear" rule. They are also very flexiable so you don't have to field the same army twice. Probably the only army that has more variety among units is Chaos.

2 - Compared to most armies, yes they are cheaper, at least to get a 1500 pt. army up and running.

3 - Meh, most people play Marines or Chaos anyway, so I wouldn't really care about that. At the very least a person's second army tends to be one of the two.

4 - Been out of the scene for too long to really answer that one, though according to my buddies back home they've been fighting a lot of Dark Angels.

5 - If someone rejects a game because you're playing Marines, they aren't worth playing. Most likely they are afraid of losing 'cause they don't know how to play aganist Marines or are intimidated by their "cheese". In regards to that, all I have to say is I play IG, my two friends play Marines and Chaos. I've been able to beat both of them.

DeadjesterX
18-03-2008, 14:03
BTW, I didn't realize that the Marines were getting a new Codex before this year is up. Man, when is my poor IG gonna get a new book?

Oligarch
18-03-2008, 14:32
I am interested in getting a space marine army (already have a necron army) by getting a 50 starter set.

I was wondering about a few things:-

1) Are space marines fun to play?
Fun to my mind can be a lot of things. My two main forces atm are SM and Orks. The orks are fun. The Space Marines are there to be massive, invulnerable superhuman psychos that just refuse to lie down and die. If you think that's fun, then yes. If not, then no.

2) Are they cheap compared to other armies?
In terms of cash, yes. You can get away with a much smaller force. In fact, you're going to have to ;)

3) Will people think your just another space marine player even if you don't use a heavily used chapter
In my experience as a SM player: Yes. Even if you (like me) have 10 pages of fluff for your own specially created codex (or non-codex, although that is often considered the sure sign of a n00b, especially if not done very carefully) chapter, people will still think you're "just another Space Marine player". And they will be right, to some extent.

4) What are the chapters alot of people play
The ones that have special rules. Especially if said special rules are ridiculously overpowered (think Blood Angels). Space Wolves are an old fan favourite, but they have been neglected by GW for a while now, so their popularity has declined some in recent years.

5) Will people still play you if your a space marine and not reject you for playing
Unless they're complete **********, they'll still play you. However, many players (myself included) have gotten really bored playing MEQ, and much prefer playing both with and against more tactically interesting armies.

Just some newbie questions I need answering. Also this is not a flaming thread i just want to know if they are good and worth buy a battleforce of them.

Any comments are appreciated :D (unless there spam of course :p).

I apologise if my comments are very coloured by having been in an almost all Space Marine environment for far too many years.... But then, it's my impression that that is a common problem.
Anyway, good luck with the Power Armour boys. I'll get back to painting my waagh now :D

/Oligarch

boogle
18-03-2008, 16:24
1) Depends on your army selection, certain 'Spam' lists are no fun at all, other lists with lots of variety in them are tremendous fun to play with/against
2) If you mean cheap by cash outlay i would definately say yes to that one, mainly due to the prevelance of plastic in the range
3) if you make them look good and something that isn't normally seen on the tabletop, then most people with say wow
4) DA/UM/BA/BT are what i've seen a lot of
5) If you're a fun guy to play against it shouldn't matter which army you have, but keep away from the Spam lists to be extra cautious

Drakon
19-03-2008, 03:01
BTW, I didn't realize that the Marines were getting a new Codex before this year is up. Man, when is my poor IG gonna get a new book?

Not until my space wolfs get one, :eek: but then again i play IG too so hopefully at the same time :p

Badbones777
19-03-2008, 03:34
I gotta say dude, if you have to ask these questions it doesn't sound like you are stepping into an overly fun gaming group.


Couldnt agree more. If you wanna do Marines, go for Marines and ******** to what anyone says. By virtue of being a wargamer, you clearly have the vision and imagination to conceive of your own fluff (precisely what I was planning to do if I ever gor round to Loyalist Marines), and theres more than enough scope within practically ANY of the lists to make the army YOU want. As has been pointed out, if someone wont play you just cos they dont like your army then stuff 'em, theyre clearly a rather petty little person. Yes, I think too many people DO play Marines, but a) I would never refuse to play them, and b) its to be expected-without wanting to sound like a total douche, it has to be accepted they are probably the single most marketable GW intellectual propery, and have cross-market appeal.

As a side note, I wouldnt be put off by what yur mates have got either-I REALLY wanted to do 'Nids when I finish my Tau, and my heart sank when one of my mates said he was starting em. But it occurred to both of us, the list is really flexible, theres nothing to stop us both having them. Hes goign the relentless Horde route, with swarms of gaunts and gribblies, while my vision for my Hive fleet was more the middle path (Lots of actual Tyranid warrior, a few gaunts to bulk out the numbers and provide extra threat, and a couple of Bi nasties) and in big games we can combine em! Just cos two people in the same group wana do the same orce, doesnt mean they necessarily have to end up with the same army.

That should have read Big nasties, its not a Slaaneshi 'Nid army!

Norsehawk
19-03-2008, 05:21
Marines are the baseline against which all other armies are tested. They are 'good' at pretty much everything, have good armor, good weapons, good number of soldiers, good vehicles, and good points value.
By the fluff, Marines shouldn't be seen as much as they are. By sheer numbers, it should be guardsmen everywhere. Across the Imperium, I wouldn't be surprised if there were a million guardsmen per marine.

In combat, marines will be 'average' at everything:
Shooting: average (Tau have better range and more power, guard too for just the sheer amount of guns they have to shoot)
Melee: average (to good with assault marines) (Eldar, dark eldar, (with their specialised troops) are better)
Vehicles: Average (The Eldar, Tau, and IG have them beat very well at least)
Walkers: Dang close to the best. (Ig sentinels are cheaper, but much more of a walking tin can, pretty sure they kick ork kans too)
Eating your opponent: Average (Flesh Tearers) (Tyranids are far superior at that)

Archangel_Ruined
19-03-2008, 13:36
under the current list marines are more flexible than many people give them credit for, so anyobe who states you're "just another marine player" is talking out of their bottom. They are a good army, but they aren't a shoe in to win every game, you'll have to play them with some skill. That said, a marine is very forgiving when things don't go to plan as they're tough as nails. I personally prefer to play original chapters, as you can do what you like with the fluff and so forth. But, go for it if you like the models, and if you're not sure consider chaos for many of the same reasons.

DeadjesterX - by the by my poor guard slaughtered a marine army yesterday for the loss of 8 guardsmen. It was a black day for the Adeptus Astartes...

Eryx_UK
19-03-2008, 17:22
As someone who has played SM on and off since the release of RT, I can say that for me that they are a fun army to play. However currently, they are very much a jack of all trades army compared to most of the others, and that means that they can cover a lot of different battlefield roles but arn't as good at them as other armies. But that jack of all trades nature is their strong point.

Titan Wolfe
19-03-2008, 17:41
Space marines are GREAT .Tried other stuff but on every occasion have always come a running back .
Now run an army on both sides othe imperium ,SpaceWolves and Emperors Children ,and wouldn't be without either . Go on play em ,Fun is what the game is all about win on Loose.:)

Badbones777
19-03-2008, 17:58
Space marines are GREAT .Tried other stuff but on every occasion have always come a running back .
Now run an army on both sides othe imperium ,SpaceWolves and Emperors Children ,and wouldn't be without either . Go on play em ,Fun is what the game is all about win on Loose.:)

Well indeed, they are genetically engineered bio warriors, developed to be the equal of scores of alien warriors, so they cant be TERRIBLE at anything. In addition to some of the things I said earlier, the fact that they are so User friendly is also a reason why SM are so appealing to the new comer.

sliganian
19-03-2008, 18:08
Marines are the baseline against which all other armies are tested. They are 'good' at pretty much everything, have good armor, good weapons, good number of soldiers, good vehicles, and good points value. ...In combat, marines will be 'average' at everything:

As one GW staffer told me many years ago: "Marines are the two-thirds army. They can do anything two-thirds of the time."

So, combined with "And They Shall Know No Fear", they are probably one of the most reliable armies in 40K.


By the way, the Salamanders are the best chapter. Just sayin'. :D