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Kyrios
18-03-2008, 15:31
Just started reading Imperial Armour, Taros campaign, thought about the Damocles Gulf Crusade and wondered:
What separates a crusade from a campaign?
Being declared by the ecclesary (you know what I mean)?
The size of army?
The invasion objective (planet/system wide)?
High Command?
Retaking vs expansion?

Gen.Steiner
18-03-2008, 15:39
A Crusade is a military campaign sanctioned by the High Lords of Terraon a system-wide or larger scale which encompasses multiple planets and has as its main objective either:

1) The expansion of His Most Divine Majesty's Holy Imperium
or
2) The liberation of sectors of His Most Divine Majesty's Holy Imperium which have been overrun by evil.

Thus, the Taros Campaign was a campaign because it was only one planet and was not brought to the attention of the High Lords, rather it was planned by the Administratum and executed by local military commanders. The Damocles Gulf Crusade was a Crusade because it was a multi-planetary operation sanctioned by the High Lords and encompassing tens of millions of troops etc.

The Ecclesiarchy can only declare Wars of Faith.

Kyrios
18-03-2008, 18:12
Truly you speak His word.

How does this correlate with the crusades of the Black Templars?
Or are these chapter organizations rather than campaigns?

heretics bane
18-03-2008, 19:21
the BT have been on a 10k year crusade that has never stopped

kishvier
18-03-2008, 19:26
Same with the chapters that sided with Huron in the rebellion. They are having a crusade to make themselves worthy once more.

Brother Siccarius
18-03-2008, 21:05
It's also worth mentioning that there are multiple Campaigns in a Crusade, each one involving a small system or world.

Truly you speak His word.

How does this correlate with the crusades of the Black Templars?
Or are these chapter organizations rather than campaigns?
Black Templar have been on a many year crusade, but they use the word differently. The Black Templar seperate their (near legion sized now) Chapter into crusades that are each on their own separate crusade routes.


Same with the chapters that sided with Huron in the rebellion. They are having a crusade to make themselves worthy once more.

The Chapters that went on the crusade after siding with Huron are on a bit different crusade than the Templars. If the BT stop everyone will be amazed, if those chapters that sided with Huron stop their crusade early, they'll be destroyed as heretics.

kishvier
18-03-2008, 22:08
Hey, they're still crusading dude.

Kyrios
18-03-2008, 22:59
Point being that it wasn't declared by the High Lords but by Sigismund. Though I doubt anyone cracking smart ass comments to a Chapter Master of the Adeptus Astartes in his holy crusading spirit will be doing it twice. Or doing anything else for the matter, except leaving a mess on the floor. And walls.

Aeolian
19-03-2008, 01:06
I doubt Crusade has the same religious meaning it does now.

The Great Crusade was undertaken by an atheist.

Kyrios
19-03-2008, 14:06
Well, I doubt God could possibly be religious. He doesnt need faith, he knows he exists and is the allmighty creator.
Religion is for the followers.

Colonel Marbi Chora
20-03-2008, 04:22
Well, I doubt God could possibly be religious. He doesnt need faith, he knows he exists and is the allmighty creator.
Religion is for the followers.

That's a good angle on it. The emperor of mankind allways disliked being deified, he even pushed aaway one of his sons because of it! (lorgar).

Mr Kibbles
22-03-2008, 10:10
There's the sabbat worlds crusade, which is strange because in the imperial infantymen's uplifting primer it is refered to as a campaign. Probably Matt Ralphs being all ignorant of other authors writing.

heretics bane
23-03-2008, 13:04
That's a good angle on it. The emperor of mankind allways disliked being deified, he even pushed aaway one of his sons because of it! (lorgar).

Yeah and look at the shizz storm that created.......