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SanDaru
23-03-2008, 08:31
Doh, I am stuck in a quandary here.

The question: What should I take?

Either Burna's or Loota's

I can make about 10-15 of One, but not the other and I do want to take full squads.

I am pitted against a DA Army and a DH Army both respectively shooty.

I like things that Burn, but I like things that shoot.

Oh my Brain hurts...X_x

Maybe you could provide some tactical insight on which may be better.

Ice Pak
23-03-2008, 08:57
Those Loota's have done terrible things to my armies. Range 48'' right?, and with strength 7, ap 4, possibly 3 shots a guy you can't go wrong. Even if they hit on 5's it doesn't matter, they have so many shots. You won't be getting any originality points for taking them since everyone does now, but damn they are a nice unit.

azimaith
23-03-2008, 09:46
The lootas can put out alot of shots but if you throw the burnas in a battle wagon you can have a huge number of armor save denying close combat attacks versus heavy armor or a flood of template to annihilate weaker armor.

Ice Pak
23-03-2008, 09:54
That's true. There both great units. All depends on how you wanna play.

The_Dragon_Rising
23-03-2008, 10:00
I use burnas because i play mech and they have a ride. If you are not mechanised however use lootas.

Gorbad Ironclaw
23-03-2008, 10:37
Yeah, burnas need a ride from somewhere, and since they can't be given there own transport you need to spend a heavy support choice on getting them a transport. If you do that however they can be quite good. If you don't, I'd rather just take Lootas.

Thaiss
23-03-2008, 11:58
In a recent battle I had I took a unit of 15 Lootas, in the first two turns the had 90 shots. Bang went two Chimeras.

Lootas are a main part of any size army I put together with my Orks.

I've just finished my Burna Boyz, used them once and they did OK, but I'd go for Lootas all the time.

Taipan
23-03-2008, 12:16
The advantage with Burnas is that when you give them the free Mek upgrade and get the three mega blastas in the squad, you can tackle Terminators and armour from range while you move in to kill stuff. Once in range, you can flamer to your hearts content, or loose off a few plasma bolts before charging in with S4 power weapon attacks.

This makes the Burnas very flexible as an assault unit, and a perfect counter to heavily armoured targets, light-medium armour and units that rely on cover.

Lootas are really a different beast; they can supply some of the best mid-range firepower in the game, and at very low cost. Stick them in a piece of good cover and they'll mow down just about anything not AV14. They are not as flexible persay as Burnas, but if you know how to play quad missile Devs, you can use Lootas.

I would go with Burnas man; Orks are designed from the ground up as an assault army, they excel at close-quarters. As an additional bonus, the Meks can keep your transport moving as you hurtle towards enemy lines (don't forget, they all have assault weapons). Flame/plasma troublesome enemy squads, then join the Waagh! and carve them up in combat.

intellectawe
23-03-2008, 12:54
Put burnas in a Battle Wagon with Deff Rolla. Tank shock a unit and crush it with DR hits, then flame the unit since it will most likely be around the BW if it didn't break and run.

Double duty for double death!

Eulenspiegel
23-03-2008, 13:12
The advantage with Burnas is that when you give them the free Mek upgrade and get the three mega blastas in the squad, you can tackle Terminators and armour from range while you move in to kill stuff. Once in range, you can flamer to your hearts content, or loose off a few plasma bolts before charging in with S4 power weapon attacks.
I dontīt want to insult you, but letting Burnas walk is one of the dumber things you can do.
Against some opponents it may be a good plan, and sometimes the mission demands it, but 90% of the time the opponent is happy to see those dangerous, expensive, slow, and above all 6+ save guys walking towards him.Easy kills.

They deserve a Looted Wagon or even better a Battlewagon to ride in.

Captin Korea!
23-03-2008, 14:32
Lootas! Da boys got da dakka dakka! Whats not to love with a strength 7 dakka gun?

Latro_
23-03-2008, 14:37
Burnas compared to lootas is like seraphim compared to sista repentias, one is shocking the other is awesome.

obv lootas!, burnas suck.
They'd suck less if they were not the same cost as lootas, didnt use up the much pined over elites slot and still had their usefulness against armour, however they dont. There are plently of units in the codex that can do the burnas job cheaper, however there isnt much that can help out at range and whatnot like lootas.

==Me==
23-03-2008, 15:40
Burnaz are combat monsters and great close-range shooters and reliable vehicle killers, but they need a ride.

Lootas have insane shooting and are self-sufficient.

Both have the reslience of a normal boy for over twice the cost, so it comes down to what your army needs: heavy firepower or multi-purpose close range fighters?

I take both, just to be sure :p

Also, if you pick up a box of boyz in addition to the loota/burna box you can make 4 of each using normal boy legs and torsos. Much better than letting all those bits sit idly.

Joewrightgm
23-03-2008, 16:31
Choose Burnas for the reasons above; have not played with them, but against and the amount of armor saves 15 templates force is anything but funnyy. 0_o

SanDaru
23-03-2008, 20:19
Also, if you pick up a box of boyz in addition to the loota/burna box you can make 4 of each using normal boy legs and torsos. Much better than letting all those bits sit idly.

I was thinking just That. I will have to pick up another box of boyz.

Thanks for the Input guys!

Skirnak
23-03-2008, 21:37
I think it's a difficult choice, I'd lean towards lootas because you don't need to get nearly as close to the enemy.

Eta
23-03-2008, 21:50
I think it's a difficult choice, I'd lean towards lootas because you don't need to get nearly as close to the enemy.

Isn't getting near one of the things Orks like best? :p

But the choice between Burna's or Loota's is a hard one, so I take both. Both units are very fluffy and can be very killy and noisy. That's all an Ork player should be worried about.

Greetings
Eta

Latro_
23-03-2008, 22:08
I am astounded you all think they're somewhat even worth taking!

Lootas all the way, if not them then kommandos! elites slot is taken up by those two units! screw burnas!

Joewrightgm
23-03-2008, 22:47
I am astounded you all think they're somewhat even worth taking!

Lootas all the way, if not them then kommandos! elites slot is taken up by those two units! screw burnas!

wow, that's a constructive post that added alot to the discussion. But yes, Lootas are a unit that doesn't need to be in the same neighborhood as the enemy and leave their mark.

Burnas work best in a speed freek-style list where their loota wagon is moving directly behind the trukks of the other boyz, then jump out and flame on. Burnas require a little bit more prep to use, but they are border line absurd when they hit.

El_Phen
23-03-2008, 22:57
I too am firmly behind Lootas instead of Burnas in any circumstance. They're too expensive to be much of an assault force, even when combined with the cheap mek/Mega Blasta upgrade. Having used both units a number of times against both Space Marine and Imperial Guard, Sisters of Battle, Chaos and Tau, Lootas have caused far more problems/damage than their elite slot taking breatheren.

lachlin
23-03-2008, 23:42
Lootas 100%!!!

Hicks
24-03-2008, 00:32
I had a game where I was allied to an Ork player and his Loota's killed a lot of stuff. The other Ork units lack reliable long range high strenght shots and that's what Loota's specialize in.

killa kan kaus
24-03-2008, 01:18
My Lootas have trouble denting meqs consistantly but if the DH is not GK heavy then definitely go with the lootas.

One_Second_of_Insanity
24-03-2008, 01:46
Alway Lootas for me, but then again Im a theiving Deffskull. Seriously they add a lot to the Ork army and burnas are a little overpriced when compared to the other options

big squig
24-03-2008, 03:38
Tough call, they're both amazing units. Let me put it this way, orks probably don't say "You're comparing apples and oranges". They would say, "Yooz comparin' lootas an burnas!"

cybercaine
24-03-2008, 05:31
I dontīt want to insult you, but letting Burnas walk is one of the dumber things you can do.
Against some opponents it may be a good plan, and sometimes the mission demands it, but 90% of the time the opponent is happy to see those dangerous, expensive, slow, and above all 6+ save guys walking towards him.Easy kills.

They deserve a Looted Wagon or even better a Battlewagon to ride in.


The advantage with Burnas is that when you give them the free Mek upgrade and get the three mega blastas in the squad, you can tackle Terminators and armour from range while you move in to kill stuff. Once in range, you can flamer to your hearts content, or loose off a few plasma bolts before charging in with S4 power weapon attacks.


He never intimated that they were on foot. He merely stated that they could shoot as they advance. Which they can if they are inside a vehicle as the Mega-blastas are assault weapons.

For my 2 cents, I like the lootas more. I find that they can sit behind the lines and pepper the enemy's light vehicles all day long. What's more, they function just fine in small squads in terrain. When you examine Burnas, you need to also examine the transport options for them. These should be considered as part of their cost, really. They are expensive enough that the thought of footslogging them without a transport makes me cringe. Even if you run the Big Mek with KFF. . . it still makes me cringe. Both units can be highly effective though I side with the Lootas usually. They seem to fill a nice niche in the Ork list. I usually never have a problem dealing with heavy armoured troops. I'd rather have the ability to kill light and medium vehicles at range.

decker_cky
24-03-2008, 08:39
I don't think it's really so much a part of the cost, but it has to be considered as part of the army composition. In general, it's a lot easier to tag a unit of lootas into any list in general, but burna's need to be in a fairly mechanised force that presses forward to be effective. I think that kitting out your battlewagon appropriately will provide enough dakka that you won't regret taking it whether you had the burnas or not, but aside from the far more expensive nobz, meganobz or flashgits, the burnas are the ultimate payload to put in a battlewagon.

I'm actually really liking the thought of a battlewagon with 4 big shootas taking burnas with 3 big shoota meks. 7 big shootas is a lot of dakka for them to be throwing out there. :D

I'm going to take KMB on my meks though, since a little AP2 weaponry is always a good idea, and they're a pretty cheap source considering I want to take the burnas regardless.

Grimmeth
24-03-2008, 11:12
Different strokes for different folks. Lootas are a very powerful ranged unit (and rolling those three shots puts an instant look of horror on any opponents face) but its hard to ignore the appeal of getting to throw out 12 templates followed by 36 S4 power weapon attacks.
Although, as has been said previously, they'll need some kind of transport to get where you want them, and the Battlewagon seems to be the transport of choice - though this raises their points cost somewhat.
Overall - Lootas are more straightforward to use, and probably better - but Burnas are still good. Just remember, if you buy the loota/Burna box you can build the burnas and make the other Lootas using a box of standard boys ;)

spaint2k
24-03-2008, 11:16
I voted burnas because I'd rather see a unit of orks get stuck in and set fire to stuff than hang back shooting like a bunch of 'oomies.

I'd give 'em a KFF, and probably a transport too, but I'm not exactly the most tactically-minded player out there so it could be a total waste of points. Regardless, I'm more than happy to see my own demise as long as it comes about in a suitably entertaining way and a trukk carrying a bunch of burnas seems pretty entertaining to me.

Steve

Killgore
24-03-2008, 12:46
Lootas, long range dakka is very useful

Snorphel
24-03-2008, 15:22
Both! - Why choose?

Buy/build the lootas first - the burnas second.

[edit: reason is that lootas are generally more useful in smaller armies, lending fire support, while burnas are a great specialist unit that can provide you some nice options during a battle - and a lot of fun too.]